Making an issue of Bernie Supporters is the Dumbest Fucking Campaign Tactic in History

[berni_mccoy]

And I don't want to hear it's both sides doing it, as that's total bullshit and here's the fuck why.

Since the beginning, Hillary campaign has made an issue of Bernie supporters by labeling them BernieBro's and saying they were sexist bullies. Then it switched to racist bullies when BLM protested Sander's campaign, something he handled with Grace and Dignity, unlike Hillary HERSELF. Again, this was an orchestrated campaign tactic handed down by the campaign to give out to her minions on social networks. It was a generalization that was proven to be false. And no wonder she is doing this. Her 2008 campaign used the PUMAs to do the very same thing and this just another Rovian tactic employed by her REPUBLICAN Campaign Strategist, DAVID BROCK, who is essentially Mark Penn Version 2.0. Remember, this is the same David Brock (R) who attacked Anita Hill when she attempted to bring Clarence Thomas's sexual harassment to light.

And here we are again, with bullshit attempts to demonize Bernie's supporters, again with the most vile and base lies. No wonder, though Hillary has been proven to be a liar in her emails that recently revealed SHE negotiated the Secret Trade Deal with Columbia in 2009 that her then Campaign Manager, Mark Penn failed to negotiate for Bush in 2008 when it came out that he was the one negotiating the trade deal WHILE BEING HILLARY'S Campaign Manager. He was forced to resign from her campaign of course when it came out. Hillary was also forced to denounce the trade deal, only then to betray the trust of the voters when she then negotiated the trade deal herself as Secretary of State.

What is the ultimate result of this tactic? Disenfranchisement of Bernie's supporters. As a supporter myself, I am finding it more and more difficult each day to pull the lever for Hillary if she ends up being the nominee. And I am fully aware of the stakes. But many are not like me and they are bailing on the DNC because of Hillary's tactics. This will be the loss of not only the party, but America and democracy. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS when Hillary takes advice from Republican Operatives.

[nc4bo]

1. Takes advice you say? I think it's far worse than that. nt

[BernieforPres2016]

22. I agree with you, Hillary isn't taking advice

This is who the Clintons are and always have been. Now that Hillary's negatives are so high and so entrenched, the only thing for her to do against an opponent like Bernie is to try to drive up his negatives.

It reminds me of when an athlete gets into trouble and the immediate excuse is "he was hanging around with a bad crowd".

[dchill]

25. +1

[Rockyj]

233. If she continue this & steals the primary...

the base will not come out for her. What's that saying about the definition of insanity?

[NCTraveler]

2. I have started making less of an issue with Sanders supporters and started encouraging them.

I believe many are currently Clintons best asset. The amazingly offensive graphics put together by Sanders supporters and disseminated in the days running up to SC were huge. At the same time many of those same supporters thought they were disseminating brilliant images. They truly had no clue how offensive some of them were. I currently have a facebook friend who has posted the same image three times. He is a Sanders supporter. The image details how Sanders is every bit as oppressed as AA's and for that he understands their oppression. Beyond offensive. I have seen the same image posted here. They are doing Clinton a great service and Sanders a great disservice.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. On DU in 2008 I had Obama supporters tell me LGBT were no longer needed by the Party, we had

to shut up and take the hate preacher events because our votes had been replaced by 'the faith community and Obamacans'. Obamacans were a mythical group of Republicans very loyal to Obama. That's what they said, with very straight faces. Very straight.
This discussion came about because the candidate Obama was holding rallies in SC with venom spouting anti gay preachers, one of whom was infamous for calling gay people child killers and vampires when on the 700 Club TV show.

You have regularly smeared Sanders supporters with that 'Stockholm Syndrome' poster, you leave out the fact that the Stockholm post attacked LGBT and you leave out the fact that many Sanders supporters harshly criticized the OP. You smear people like me, who objected strenuously to that vile thread, with the very thread we objected to. You have done so repeatedly and you have been asked repeatedly not to do so.

Now. Here is a thread from 2014, long before Bernie was a candidate. In this thread, Stockholm Man does that same sort of trip aimed at Jews. It is also full of DU members harshly critical of what he is posting, his bullshit and bigoted assertions. His shit stirring.

So calling a long term poster of nasty bait on DU a 'Sanders supporter' because Mr Baits puts on a Sanders tee shirt is absurd. It is an absurdity that requires you to edit out the LGBT attack, edit out all the Sanders supporters objecting to the attack and to the bigotry, which we called bigotry over and over.

Who is responsible for allowing bait to be cast at one minority group after the other, year in and year out on DU? Not Bernie. Who lets that continue here? Not Bernie? Whose behalf did all of that crap begin for? Not Bernie's behalf, he was no candidate in 2014.
Why is a poster who has done Jew baiting, gay baiting and race baiting get to keep casting that bait here? I do not know. The admins know. The admins do not support Bernie, they support Hillary.
Jan, 2014:
"Thank You Internet... I Now Have A Different Understanding Of The Phrase... "Anti-Semitic"..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024385176

[NCTraveler]

82. You are very wanted in the party.

So that was said to you in '08 and it still resonates with you in '16.

I'm telling you you are wanted. I hope that resonates just as long.

[bettyellen]

138. I appreciate the history lesson as I missed quite a bit. That is an eye opener. It is a shame those

posts all survived juries here. The amount of deliberate shit stirring here is absolutely insane. I remember when people here actually cared about the veracity of what they posted, and this sucks. Thank you so much for this post.

[appalachiablue]

166. Thanks for exposing the truth of this sickening effort that continues to be pushed.

K & R This very impt. OP.

[Bohunk68]

250. Right on. You put it well.

I remember those days, when I lurked a lot. I remember all the posts that have gone down recently. The GLBT community was constantly thrown under the bus. Now, we are wanted? Not buying that. That would be a total case of Stockholm Syndrome. We still do not have rights in all 50 states and the territories. Now that Marriage Equality has become approved by the Supremes, Hillary is all for it. Didn't have what it took in the 90's though. Oh, right! DOMA and DADT were so wonderful for our community! Like our friends to the North, the Quebecois, say on their license plates, Je me souviens! I remember.

[Gore1FL]

36. Anyone who gets so butthurt by a candidaates supporters that they change their vote

is easily manipulated and spiteful.

Is that really the demographic you think Hillary needs?

[NCTraveler]

80. That's what you are missing as you dismiss demographics.

Clinton wants the support of every demographic on the left. This game of dismissing demographics is something I'm not use to seeing on our side. Seems pretty new. I don't think it is going to work out well for you.

[Gore1FL]

118. Bernie isn't dismissing demographics.

If you think he is, please cite an example in any of his speeches.

Thanks in advance.

[Warren DeMontague]

204. what you're missing is deliberate meme-crafting and messaging designed to change the subject

from actual issues.

Perfect for a candidate whose stances on the actual issues are uninspiring, to say the least, particularly in relation to a base of primary voters which skews progressive.

[rhett o rick]

228. Clinton lost most of the Left when she flipped us off and bowed before Bush.

She betrayed her party, her country and especially the 500,000 innocent Iraqis that were killed for profits. Of course she has become super wealthy from those corporations that have gained by her decision.

She also sides with the banks that gained 5 trillion dollars of our money when they pulled off the greatest heist in history called the bank crisis. Of course they paid her generously.

And just as bad or worse is what she did to the minorities with her tough stand (you guys love that she is tough) on crime. Ms. Williams said it best,

“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”

She is interested in gaining super wealth and power.

[kacekwl]

109. We are voting for the candidate not the supporters.

Sure there's always going to be some who go over the top but I think it's because many, myself included believe this may be our last chance to stop corporate rule in this country as well as the world . Brings very strong emotions.

[brush]

162. People turned off by over-the-top Sanders supporters may think that . . .

the aggressive, hostile attitudes expressed in their posts might carry over into a Sanders' White House and his appointments.

I mean he is going to make appointments from supporters so it's not unreasonable to think that.

I'm sure it's lost him many votes.

[Hortensis]

220. I would never reject a candidate because of some supporters.

Unfortunately, I have become educated here to recognize that some of the far left behavior traits that I dislike so much are displayed in Sanders himself.

The reality is far left people are far more like far right people such as the Tea Party than they are liberals. That's why all the tumult here at DU. Although Bernie is currently running as a Democrat, he mostly despises Democrats, he mostly despises liberals, and his followers do too. Liberals believe in working with others to achieve our goals. Cooperation and compromise are anathema to the far left, literally seen as corruption, instead of tolerance and acceptance of others with other ideas, they have hostility and aggression.

We just all do not belong in the same party, hardly more than liberals would belong in the same party with far right conservatives. This isn't refusing to join with them for a common goal, it is just recognition that they both cannot and don't want to.

BTW, have I missed more of the talk about radicals taking over the Democratic Party and shoving out us liberals and other current Dems, or has that high-flying plot been tabled for now?

[davidpdx]

230. What you said just isn't true

The reality is far left people are far more like far right people such as the Tea Party than they are liberals. That's why all the tumult here at DU. Although Bernie is currently running as a Democrat, he mostly despises Democrats, he mostly despises liberals, and his followers do too. Liberals believe in working with others to achieve our goals. Cooperation and compromise are anathema, failure, to the far left, literally seen as corruption.

We just all do not belong in the same party, hardly more than liberals would belong in the same party with far right conservatives.

Those of us that are on (what you call) the far left are not like the Tea Party, and the insulation that we are us atrocious.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that Sanders hates Democrats, but I'd challenge you to show proof (though I'm not going to hold my breath on it).

His followers (supporters would be a better term) do not hate Democrats, WE ARE Democrats. The difference is we want to push for bolder goals. I see very few non-Sanders supporters supporting campaign finance reform, the number one issue in the campaign. Until we deal with campaign finance reform the corruption in the system will stop us (and I mean all of us) from getting other issues resolved.

The Democratic Party is suppose to be the "big tent" party. Saying we don't belong in the party is the same as the Republicans saying that other Republicans who have differing views are not welcome in their party. I find that pretty sad.

[Hortensis]

243. Tea Partiers reject people for being different from

them, far lefters reject people for not being one of them politically, sharing their urgent goals. That lack of right wing bigotry -- based on things like color, accent, etc. -- is a huge difference, but otherwise many similarities are extremely striking. (Fwiw, if I were going to hell and had to choose to spend eternity with extremists of either side, I would choose the left.)

I literally came to DU to get away from far right intolerance, hostility and aggression, and particularly their eagerness to believe literally anything that could be used as a weapon against their opponents, only to run into the same thing on the left. The Democratic Party is made up of all sorts, including conservatives, but I expected a board dominated by liberals, not by far-lefters who found a home here. I'd never associated with a critical mass of far-lefters before; even in the '60s there were just a few in our circles then, so this has been a very useful education.

And if my description does not sound at all like you, then it isn't you. We know from polling that by far most of those who have voted for Bernie so far are not far-lefters, and that of course includes some DUers right here too. Not nearly enough to temper the group behavior of their fellow supporters to their left, though.

Btw, I didn't say Bernie hates Democrats, and you shouldn't say I did. I doubt he'd think hate was a good use of his energy. The contempt he is famous for is a different matter.

[AllyCat]

252. I have voted Democratic my whole life. Up until recently, the Democratic Party

Represented my values of fighting for the poor and middle class, individual rights to life, health, education, worker freedom as part of the common good. What it seems to now accept is more corporate freedom, no stop to the mass incarceration of PoC, drug offenders, and debtors created by the crash started by "free trade" deals and banking heists. Health insurance as a replacement for health care.

The current set up still wants to make sure big business is well-treated. That is not the Democratic Party I have worked for to get good candidates elected.

I am not a far left fringe voter. I, like many others, want to make this a better country for all Americans. I want my party back.

And this "far-lefter", as you call me, has been on this board since 2003, as well as many others I see that support the "far left".

[Gore1FL]

223. I supported Obama and never got a call to fill an appointment.

I feel like I'm missing out.

[NurseJackie]

85. Well played. Although ...

... I'm confident they needed no encouragement.

[angrychair]

98. I have no idea what graphic you mean

I am sure there are some offensive ones out there. Every political figure gets them.
But you stating:
"he understands their oppression. Beyond offensive." is laughable. He might not be perfect but he is not "some old privileged white guy" either. You do realize he is Jewish right? You do know that he had members of his family enslaved and murdered by Nazis? That he fought for and was arrested fighting for civil rights in Chicago? You do know he is the poorest member of the Senate?

No one truly knows anyone's path but some have a better idea than others.

[NCTraveler]

101. "he is not "some old privileged white guy""

Yell it from the rooftops. I'm on board!!!!!

[angrychair]

110. Your sarcasm is insulting

You do yourself and your candidate no favors.
Your type of attitude is why I question if I am really a Democrat.
If it is really where we are going than I don't want to go.

I'm not into triangulation and constantly battling about social issues (that most Americans actually already agree on) while our standard of living and real income continue to decline.

I've already seen many post here derogatory towards Sanders for being Jewish to include using antisemitic, holocaust denial websites to further their conspiracies against him. Some cloak it better than others.

[NCTraveler]

112. Yeah, that's the insulting part. lol.

Keep preaching it.

[angrychair]

121. So, instead of using one liners

Actually address the things I stated. If you have a concern express it.

The whole 'self-righteous indignation' vibe is tired.

[NCTraveler]

125. I expressed myself pretty well, in my opinion. Very well actually.

Additionally, until the primaries are over, I support your thought process here.

As I said, preach it!!!!!

[angrychair]

126. So be it

I don't imagine there is any actual desire for understanding and communication.

As I already said, I've already seen many post here derogatory towards Sanders for being Jewish to include using antisemitic, holocaust denial websites to further their conspiracies against him. Some cloak it better than others.

[NCTraveler]

129. I understand more than you give me credit for.

But dismissing that is a big point of how this works for you. I understand your feelings here really well.

"he is not "some old privileged white guy""

As I said, preach it loud and proud.

[angrychair]

130. So, your chosen candidate

Raked in $125,000,000 dollars in 13 years, almost exclusively from speeches to the financial industry, and Sanders is rich and privileged?

Are you attempting to shoe-horn my comment into some sort of tone-deaf racial deadpan? If you knew me, actually talked to me, you would realize how laughable that is. My family and friends will find that very amusing.

[peacebird]

227. Your choice is an old priviledged white woman, who is also a neocon corporatist warhawk.

Bernie, on the other hand, is an honest, decent, trustworthy old white guy with integrity who actually holds positions with conviction! Hard for you to grasp such a concept since your candidate is known as Camp Weathervane I guess.

[appalachiablue]

167. +1 I've been disgusted by many tactics & targets. The antisemitism is ultra shocking.

* "NOT GOOD ENOUGH BERNIE", the initial racist lie OP that was planted in late May after he announced was just deplorable.

[saidsimplesimon]

107. NC, never forget Anita Hill. Where were/are all

the Democratic women in politics who allowed Brock and the republicans to get away with slander? Yes, I am judging Mrs. Clinton by the company she keeps.

Her 2008 campaign used the PUMAs to do the very same thing and this just another Rovian tactic employed by her REPUBLICAN Campaign Strategist, DAVID BROCK, who is essentially Mark Penn Version 2.0. Remember, this is the same David Brock (R) who attacked Anita Hill when she attempted to bring Clarence Thomas's sexual harassment to light.

[NCTraveler]

108. Never Forget!!!!!!!

Well, except much of Sanders history. Then forget that which I tell you!!!!!!!!!!

[sabrina 1]

180. How did you like Hillary's 'Obama Boys' attacks on Obama supporters? Nothing slightly racist there

I suppose. I see Hillary's tactics, her associations with Women Hater and destroyer of the reputation of Anita Hill, David Brock not to mention her close relationship with an Actual Super Predator, Henry Kissinger, as reasons for me as a Democrat and a woman to condemn her campaigning tactics and if I were a supporter I would be ashamed of the campaign she ran in 2008 and now in 2016.

She has enough money from Wall St to buy this election and if she does win, that will be the reason why. I would be ashamed of that also.

But then as a Democrat, it is for all those and more reasons, that I am supporting the Progressive Dem in this race who refuses Corporate bribes and has inspired at this point, a growing list of other Candidates to form the basis for taking our party back out of the hands of the the Investment Bankers,, otherwise known as the Third Way of which Hillary is a founding member.

[Ken Burch]

242. Neither Bernie nor his supporters ever claimed that he was just as oppressed as AA people.

Why would anyone be offended by the photo of Bernie getting arrested in a civil rights photo?

What that picture proved was that Bernie is a passionate anti-racist. That he has never dismissed racism as an issue.

Is it offensive to say that, while Bernie has not had it as bad as AA people, that as a Jewish person he is going to have more of a sense of what oppression is than a white heterosexual Protestant from a wealthy suburb?

I know you want us to nominate the most conservative candidate in the race this year, but can you at least give some of the Bernie-hate a rest? He never deserved it from you.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. It's their secret plan.

Step 1. Steal Underpants.

Oh wait, wrong secret plan.

Step 1. Accuse half the voters in the Dem primary of being horrible sexists and racists.

Step 2. ?

Step 3. Get all those people to vote for you in the GE and win the WH!

[azurnoir]

8. lol Bernie Bros are horrible human being - now vote for meeeee

I suspect at least half of the so called BernieBros were voting for her anyway

[Merryland]

15. good point. as I suspect

a lot of the "I support Bernie but..." folks are plants.

[Mbrow]

44. +1 well put.

[GoneFishin]

156. Also the "I have finally settled on my candidate .." ones also smell funny.

[Art_from_Ark]

224. About as funny-smelling as

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a dead carp floating in a pool of rancid milk that has been sitting for a week in an un-hermetically-sealed mayonnaise jar on Funk and Wagnall's doorstep.

[GoneFishin]

231. .... inside of a flaming paper bag.

[yourpaljoey]

27. She has not and will not earn all those votes

Trump vs Hill will be the greatest slaughter in history

[kjones]

159. Uh...I think a lot of pro-Bernie people did that to SC...the whole state, actually. nt

[chervilant]

256. hmm... I cannot

make head nor tails of your assertion.

However, looking at your Hi11ary logo, I can only surmise you're supporting her. Thus, I would like to suggest this OP, and sincerely request that you help me understand how you can support her in the face of all that.

[SidDithers]

4. Yeah. Go with that...

Sid

[berni_mccoy]

6. Says the #1 person who attacks Bernie supporters.

[OKNancy]

53. Keep your Hawkeye's open there. n/t

[Gore1FL]

37. That would be more effective if it wasn't for your shameful gravedancing gif.

Grave dancing makes DU suck. You should be ashamed.

[SidDithers]

89. I'm not...nt

Sid

[BeanMusical]

115. What a shock.

[Gore1FL]

119. I noticed.

You have my pity.

[SidDithers]

122. You have my condolences...nt

Sid

[Gore1FL]

132. For what?

The loss of a long time DUer, or the hurt you cause DU by grave dancing about it?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

239. Loss of a longtime DUer?

I think you meant to say "when that asshole troll got banned".

[Gore1FL]

259. A longtime DUer was banned. There is no reason to celebrate for months.

Grave dancing makes DU suck.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

260. Celebrating a banned troll makes DU suck. nt

[Gore1FL]

261. Celebrating the loss of a long-time duer for months does, yes

No matter how you feel about the long time DUer, there is no reason for multiple people to celebrate for months on end.

Those who do make DU suck. I'd prefer to come here to discuss politics. Obviously, other people are far too concerned about anonymous internet posters. Otherwise, they wouldn't celebrate one being banned for months, which, as I have noted, makes DU suck.

Right now, instead of discussing politics, we are discussing the merits of celebrating the fact that someone you don't personally know not posting here. That, you may have guessed, makes DU suck.

Let me summarize:

Grave dancing is bad.
Those who grave dance make DU suck.
Those who grave dance for months make DU suck hard.

Any further questions or have we exhausted this topic?

[stonecutter357]

164. +1000

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. Well stated.

You can't kick people in the teeth and then expect them to flash you a big, happy smile later on.

It's shame things have gotten to this point.

[Maedhros]

146. This has been the Democratic Party strategy for some time.

Party: "Give us subpoena power."

Rank and File: "Awesome! Here's the majority, now go to work."

Party: "Impeachment is off the table. But keep voting for us."

[el_bryanto]

7. It is troubling

I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, but it kind of makes you wonder how much she's actually been pushed to the left during this campaign. It seems like she and her surrogates are invested in pushing left wing and progressives out of the mainstream of our political discourse. So we have a spectrum that runs from extremely right wing (exemplified by Cruz and probably Trump (it's hard to be sure exactly what Trump actually stands for other than authoritarianism)) to very right wing (Rubio) to moderate right wing (Clinton).

Bryant

[GreenPartyVoter]

79. Sadly, it has been like this for a few decades now. I really am still hoping that Bernie will

somehow win this thing. Hillary may be borrowing his ideas, but I fear she will "run towards the left, but govern from the right," as third wayers are wont to do.

[djean111]

91. She has not been pushed one tiny little millimeter to the left. The idea must really amuse her,

though. And amuse her supporters.

[BeanMusical]

123. +1

[2banon]

131. Completely agree with this.

I can easily imagine she thinks it's amusing that anyone refer to her "moving to the left" despite her recent self identification of being a "Progressive" on the campaign train.

[mountain grammy]

255. I agree.

[VulgarPoet]

9. Too late, in my case.

Not over me personally. The only man that ever scared me was a five foot six bald MTI with braces like shark teeth and clickers on his combat boots, so no one here puts the fear of $Deity into me-- but over those like me.

I've watched over 16 years, family, family friends, people I didn't even know become destitute. Bouncing from job to job, trying to so much as keep a goddamn roof over their heads. I've watched, in four years in the military, friends of mine go to the sand pit in the Middle East only to come back missing pieces, because of unexploded ordnance laying about-- whether ours from cluster bombs that Hillary supported, or IEDs, I've never asked, but the fact remains.

Politics as usual is killing people. We either need a radical change in the paradigm of how we do things, or we deserve to rot from within. This cycle has killed my faith in the Democratic party.

[forjusticethunders]

161. That is it

Politics as usual is killing people. We either need a radical change in the paradigm of how we do things, or we deserve to rot from within. This cycle has killed my faith in the Democratic party.

WHY
DONT
PEOPLE
GET
THIS

[appalachiablue]

169. +1

[UglyGreed]

11. A smear here a smear there

it all adds up in the end.

[LanternWaste]

12. Criticize supporters for me, but not for thee...

Criticize supporters for me, but not for thee...

As the curtain falls and the standards double, the fallacy of the complex question becomes popular among the stagehands to cover the argumentum ad consequentiam. Quite the dramatic character journey from our player dramatis considering the heady days of the overture.

[NWCorona]

13. I've never see so many thin skinned people in my life

[berni_mccoy]

19. Generalizing Bernie supporters as sexist racist bullies goes well beyond thin skin...

It is a demonization of a group of people's whose support she needs. She can't beat Trump without their support. It is the same kind of demonization that conservatives used against liberals as they turned that word into something Democrats ran away from.

[NWCorona]

24. Excuse me if I wasn't clear

I feel that people complaining about what Bernie's supporter's are saying needs to grow up. Why put stock in what some anonymous posters are trying say.

[berni_mccoy]

29. Sorry, misread what you said. I thought

You were saying Bernie supporters had thin skin.

[NWCorona]

30. It happens from time to time as I need to be more clear when being sarcastic

[snagglepuss]

189. The "sarcasm" smilie is your friend, it's been a lifesaver.

[NWCorona]

190. Yup I gotta put that into the mix😀

[JimDandy]

157. I tell you what, Hillary's campaign is about skin all right, just not it's thickness.

[Nitram]

174. Gee, Jim Dandy, is that a racist comment or am I reading miore into than intended?

What are you actually trying to say about skin?

[pdsimdars]

16. It's all they have

They can't really defend her history, and if you bring it up, you are being a naughty, nasty Bernie supporter. They are afraid of her history. They are afraid to have their candidate vetted. So they attack the messengers, because they can't defend the message.

[VulgarPoet]

18. Her history is indefensible, and I'm not talking about the Goldwater days.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511364300

[Punkingal]

17. There is no democratic party anymore....it's the Clinton party, and I'm done with it.

[Blue_Tires]

20. And you would be wrong, but I give you points for effort...

[Rider3]

21. I'm going to Bernie's rally tonight...

at Milton (MA) High School. Parking lots open 2 hours prior to his appearance. I'll be there and will gladly wait for him. Go Bernie!

[sabrina 1]

26. 'Obama Boys' and 'Bernie Bros'. I remember the 'Obama Boys' attack on Obama Supporters too.

[Armstead]

42. I never heard that one about Obama Boys. That's pretty vile

[sabrina 1]

48. Oh yes, the same old attacks on Obama Supporters, intended to imply that HIS supporters were

sexist, have been recycled for Bernie supporters. 'Obama Boys' are now 'Bernie Bros'. The tinge of racism in this particular attack didn't go unnoticed back then either. And it sure didn't win for her then as it won't now.

I suppose you could say that at least by recycling old attacks Hillary might be saving some of that Corporate Money they spend on smear campaigns run by the likes of David Brock. But then I don't know how much they pay people to come up with these ridiculous 'talking points'.

[appalachiablue]

170. Never knew this, thanks for posting on this vile, clumsy & rehashed tactic.

[MaggieD]

28. Heh, they are Hillary's secret weapon

When the national media notices it might be time to chill out. But no.

[azurnoir]

30. No I'm sure Hillary's "bernieboyz" will pour it on

[sabrina 1]

51. You mean like 'Obama Boys' were?? Didn't work for her then and isn't working for her now.

It was and is a vile racist, sexist attack on millions of voters and when I campaign for Bernie I show people links to these vile nasty attacks and it is OUR not so secret weapon for helping to get the candidate who doesn't stoop to that vile level, elected.

Btw, why is Anita Hill smearmonger, David Brock working for Hillary Clinton who is supposed to be women's advocate?

[Cryptoad]

32. No more than yall get out and vote

WE DONT WANT OR NEED UR SUPPORT!

[liberalnarb]

97. What the hell is that about?

[A Simple Game]

104. Yet when everything we predict turns out to be true, if she wins the nomination

we will be the only one's blamed when she loses the general election.

[jalan48]

33. It enables Hillary and he supporters to avoid talking about the issues.

She only looks good when compared to a right wing Republican. Bernie exposes the hypocrisy of Clinton and her supporters. It makes them mad.

[beerandjesus]

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[PatrynXX]

41. oh good grief

yeah they act like Republicans. and even Republican Children are better than this X_X

[pacalo]

213. "Creative speculation" is the go-to for those who don't like what's being said.

Pathetic & cowardly.

[Warren DeMontague]

232. I would think our semi-pro alert squads also should know the difference between an SOP alert

And a TOS one.

"Belongs in CS" is an SOP alert, for the hosts.

[JonLeibowitz]

35. And the jury is in....

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[PatrynXX]

38. yeah I'm sick of it. It is probably the number one reason

if she is the nominee I won't be voting for her. I don't vote for such people or who have minions as bad as she does. Like who bans someone out of their message board because they disagree with them on a DEMOCRATIC site??? hey this isn't facist ville

[PeoViejo]

59. Hillarylytes

[stillwaiting]

65. I don't care about what Hillary supporters say.

I do, however, care about what Hillary says and the campaign she has run. She has made it so that if I were to vote for her it would be the WORST vote I have ever cast in my life. I have never felt so strongly against a Democrat running for office that would be wanting my vote. Ever. And, it's not even close.

I strongly believe Hillary herself does not share my values, and that she, her family, and her surrogates in the media don't like me and think my political values are ridiculous. But, somehow, they want me to vote for them.

[cui bono]

182. Nailed it.

Perfectly stated:

I strongly believe Hillary herself does not share my values, and that she, her family, and her surrogates in the media don't like me and think my political values are ridiculous. But, somehow, they want me to vote for them.

I feel the same.

.

[Armstead]

39. I agree. The Democratic Party is blowing it by dismissing so many potential base voters

[tex-wyo-dem]

92. The Democratic Party has been remarkably adept...

At blowing it over the last several elections.

Aside from getting Obama elected, they've lost ground in virtually every other institution. They've lost their core values and sold them out to the Third Way.

[iandhr]

40. Maybe you should follow your candidates lead.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/07/3746988/bernie-sanders-tells-berniebros-to-knock-it-off-we-dont-want-that-crap.

[Armstead]

49. The OP is NOT referring to the truly abusive minority of Bernie supporters

[iandhr]

57. No the OP is ranting that it's a conspiracy against Sanders.

And from someone who has a much better understanding of politics than the average voter it hurt Bernie cause.

[Armstead]

62. Not a conspiracy -- A fucked up marketing ploy

Same fucked up ploy they used against Obama and Dean and anyone who dares to step outside The Centrist Mold.

They're cult leaders, their followers are sociopathic, abusive cult members....etc.

Same old playbook, borrowed from the GOP.

[iandhr]

69. The actual GOP playbook is to try to bait the left into turning against Clinton.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/17/the-right-baits-the-left-_n_7300834.html


I know bringing facts into an internet comment section is a lost cause but it still needs to be done now and then.

[Armstead]

70. The "left" doesn't need the GOP to see the Clinton/DLC for what they are

The Clintonian Democrats have been playing into the GOP hands for decades all by themselves by their own actions

[iandhr]

81. As a progressive Democrat I disagree.

And the idea that you can have a revolution when your base of support is white men under 30 is pretty ridiculous.

[Armstead]

94. Great stereotype you're throwing around for a "progressive"

[MuseRider]

199. "And the idea that you can have a revolution when your base of support is white men under 30 is

pretty ridiculous."

You mean.....the Bernie Bros?

Oops.

[iandhr]

201. I do indeed.

I went to UVM. I know many Bernie Bros.

[Nitram]

175. In other words - a conspiracy.

Paranoid a little?

[Armstead]

177. I know it seems cute to dismiss things as a "conspiracy"

But it's a marketing strategy, of the type that all campaigns utilize, including Sanders.

But in this case it's a fucked up one.

[JackRiddler]

212. Ha! It's the open strategy of the Clinton campaign...

and highly visible as a coordinated phenomenon on this site: attack Sanders through his supposed bad supporters.

In other words, attack the future Clinton voters. They are terrible people, sexist-racist-white-hippie-mean-etc.

The nice thing about it is that Clinton now has a default narrative if she gets the nomination and loses in November, the same one we see over and over with Third Way, neoliberal "Democrats" - blame the left! It's always the fault of people who were supposedly too radical and made the D's look bad, and who then did not act as though they automatically belong to the D's in November (whether or not it is true will be irrelevant).

[Orrex]

140. The OP is conflating several distinct kinds of Sanders' followers

The "Bernie Bros" are a ridiculous subset, but it's false to pretend that they don't exist.

There is another group who've attacked Clinton supporters since the beginning of primary season, not in sexist or racist language of the Bernie Bros, but still with remarkable aggressiveness. And it's not simply directed at anyone who opposes Sanders, either; anyone who has questioned his viability as a candidate has been fair game.

These supporters are the same people who've played the "fear" card since Sanders first announced his candidacy, as well. Hillary is afraid of Sanders; DWS is afraid of Sanders; the DNC is afraid of Sanders; the GOP is afraid of Sanders; DUers who question Sanders' viability are afraid of Sanders, and on and on.

For these Sanders supporters, the strategy has been consistent for months: attack and trivialize. They're not "Bernie Bros," but they're eager to attack just the same.

It seems to me that Sanders would be a terrific President, but that doesn't mean that I think he'd do well in the General Election. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, and I will be happy to admit it if it comes to that, but it doesn't strike me as especially likely.

[Armstead]

178. You're correct to an extent -- but some of that is reactive. It's a two way stret

I will admit (but not with pride) is that I've probably been in that second category at times. I can get ascrbic and abrasive at times.

But I generally only do that in response to posts that are dismissive, insulting of Sanders or his supporters or totally distort what Sanders is trying to do.

When people make points in a reasonable way, I generally respond likewise.

[Orrex]

192. WELL YOUR JUST A BIG JERKY JERK!!!!!!1!

Yeah, definitely a two-way street. I've had a number of truly ugly posts pointed out to me, not mine, but distressingly vile, from nominally pro-Clinton DUers. I was initially dismissive of claims that some here had attacked Sanders' heritage, but after reading the offending posts, the ugliness becomes impossible to deny or ignore.

I've also gotten unduly fired up once or twice, and I'm sure that I've made it onto a few Ignore lists myself...

[Armstead]

205. Naw just a big jerk....

Haven't reached jerky level yet

[vi5]

43. Again, the problem is....

..that both Hillary and her staff and supporters go nuclear well before any situation calls for it. Which would be great if she was the same way with Republicans, but she's not. I'm tired of hearing how she fights back against Republicans because I've yet to see her do anything other than internalize Republican criticism, while lashing out and blowing shit up when it comes to liberal/Democratic criticism.

The thing is that I'm not even what I would call a Bernie supporter. I'll likely vote for him in the primary, but but I don't even really think he'd be our best candidate in the GE either. But I see why he had to run and why we desperately needed an alternative. I'm just sick to my stomach at what my party has turned into and how they are handling and have handled this HIllary situation. We mocked for years the cult of personality and dynasty that the Republicans have and now we're showing ourselves to be even worse than they are since even they had the good sense to send Jeb! packing.

[brooklynite]

45. Answer: it's not a campaign tactic...

...because NOTHING that gets discussed here has a bearing on the actual campaign. This is a discussion site, nothing more.

[berni_mccoy]

47. It's not just here at DU, and I'm pretty sure you know that, as you are someone who has *gasped* at

posts that cover it outside of DU.

[Armstead]

76. It's not just here

And the similarities to what was attempted against Obama in 2008 indicates that there is a common denominator

[Robbins]

46. It's whole party

except those brave enough to endorse bernie.

the party was fine with bill clinton calling us like tea party.Cory booker on morning joe wouldn't even critize that comment.So untill
they do i will say democratic party agress with bill clinton.and they agree we are racists and sexists.why would they want the votes
of those they bash like this.

They personly attacked me so they can go to hell.I voted democratic here in missouri in 1992,1994,1996,1998,2000,2002,2004,2006,
2008,2010,2012,and 2014 yet because i don't support clinton they attacked me.The clintons are right up there with bush now to me.
my postiong if both she and trump can go to hell.

[Shadowflash]

127. The DNC officials that dare

to back someone other than the anointed one, have to resign their positions, first, before they can back the 'other' candidate.

[DrBulldog]

50. Absolutely agree.

I have already decided to vote for Bernie, and only Bernie, in the fall.

I cannot see the difference between corruption and lunacy. Both will doom my country.

[Betty Karlson]

52. K&R for exposure. eom

[amborin]

54. K&R

[retrowire]

55. absolutely. it's kind of hilarious. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

56. There there

There there.

Losing is hard.

There there.

[Jester Messiah]

60. Yeah, as you're gonna find out.

Either in the primary, or in the general. Hillary will never be the president.

[alcibiades_mystery]

61. Uh huh

Sure. Keep on, friend.

[cui bono]

185. Thank you for providing an example to validate the OP.

So immature and hostile. And again, like I said earlier, acting like this is a game and it's all about your team winning. I wish people like you have more compassion and depth and an overview of the world. But then this is the internet. They let anyone on here.

.

[alcibiades_mystery]

200. Indeed they do!

[chervilant]

257. hmm... flippant

AND condescending? And, that's working for you?

Hey, before I update my IL, I'd appreciate your attention to this OP, as well as feedback from you regarding your commitment to Hi11ary in the face of such relevant information.

(I'm predicting ahead of this unlikely perusal that you will respond to me just as you've responded to the author of this OP--which will serve only to confirm what has already been asserted about Hi11ary's supporters.)

[ladjf]

58. We need a third Party. But, it's been tried before but has never succeeded. nt

[Maedhros]

147. The Whigs would likely disagree. [n/t]

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

63. I'll make a deal: When BS stops insulting AA voters in the South and his fanatics stop

demonizing and badgering blacks, period, then we can make deals.

But BSers acting as if they are sweet and innocent and haven't done anything wrong? Save it.

Whining and playing the victim won't save him tomorrow.

[berni_mccoy]

64. That was another false story manufactured by camp Hillary. You know this of course.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

72. I don't follow HRC's camp. I did, however, see this sentiment on DU. We've been discussing at the AA

Forum about all the insults of black voters in the South.

So no, I don't buy that it's HRC-backed nonsense, though I know she's probably capable of it.

[PeaceNikki]

100. See this?

[berni_mccoy]

117. Race was brought into that discussion by Hillary supporters. Period.

You can claim it was Bernie supporters all you want, but there was only one group of people making an issue out of that statement about the voting statistics (not race) of SC. Only one group made it about race. And then sold that story as a known lie to the general public. Keep it up, though, your disenfranchisement of the base is doing wonders for the Republicans.

[PeaceNikki]

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[appalachiablue]

172. NOT GOOD ENOUGH BERNIE, May Kickoff OP of racist lies just after he announced.

Fabricated, deplorable, and unforgettable.

[Nitram]

176. mccoy, demographics are an essential part of campaigning.

and race is an important element in U.S., demographics. Ignoring that and accusing the Clinton campaign of bringing up race as an issue is absurd. Bernie knows it, and has made a strong effort to overcome Clinton's advantage of years of working with minorities and their issues..

[nc4bo]

78. Insult? When?

I haven't seen Sanders insult black people. That's some real cray-cray there. I have however seen some from the opposition try to put words in his mouth.

As for his supporters, can't speak for all his supporters and neither should anyone else, that'd be like me saying all HRCs supporters are a-holes when in reality, any given campaign is going to have their share.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

83. Here....

Bernie: I’ll Do Better With Black Voters Who Don’t Live In The Deep South www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-sanders-ill-do-better-with-black-voters-who-dont-live?utm_term=.vlw4jReQP …

[nc4bo]

95. I don't see that as an insult Liberal_Stalwart, I'm sorry.

It's to me more of a fact based on demographics. It's the same reason HRC does well with them....demographics.

[cui bono]

186. Why is that an insult?

There's talk every day of every candidate's polling with every demographic in every region. That's the political horse race for you.

.

[hughee99]

66. I'm not sure about that.

I think trying to paint Sanders himself as a racist was dumber.

[berni_mccoy]

68. At least they gave up quickly on that tactic... It was backfiring...

But here, their tactic is working to disenfranchise Bernie supporters from voting. No one wants to be part of a group that has been demonized.

[Armstead]

74. No thay haven't given up on that tactic...Just become a little subtler

[hughee99]

207. Yes, when that turd didn't float, the moved to the one in the OP.

"Racists are supporting Sanders, maybe it's because HE'S a racist."

[Doctor_J]

67. Have you seen the comparison of the candidates on the issues? What else do they have?

Hillary is far closer to the republican candidates than she is to Sanders.

[berni_mccoy]

71. Yes, it's disturbing. The very fact that it came out that SHE negotiated the

Columbian Trade deal is disturbing as it proves she's:

1. A Liar
2. Against the interests of Unions and the working class
3. Enacting RW policies

She's worse than a Republican... She speaks as if she's a Democrat and then acts like a NeoCon.

[oberliner]

77. Bernie has said the exact opposite

He has repeatedly said that the differences between him and Hillary are small compared to the differences between both of them and the Republicans. In fact, he quite often says "I agree with Secretary Clinton" in the debates (and Hillary says the same thing in reverse).

[Scalded Nun]

99. (and Hillary says the same thing in reverse)

Only while the cameras are on. Empty words for empty minds.

Anyone believing she will move towards the left in a governance mode is smoking some really serious shit.

[oberliner]

103. There are definitely plenty of areas of agreement between Hillary and Bernie

It's silly not to recognize that.

[cui bono]

193. Bernie, being the gentleman that he is and knowing he does not want to tear down Hillary

should she be the nominee, would not say anything different than he has. He is a Dem. He wants Dems to win the general. But the fact is that Hillary is much closer to being a Republican than to being Bernie.

The truth though, is that they are light years apart. Hillary will continue a corrupt govt that is bought and paid for by big money. Bernie will show how it's done as a govt of, by and for the people. That is the core of what this is about. The difference couldn't be any bigger or more stark. And that's without the list of how different they are on policy positions.

Here, see for yourself:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1310576

* Sanders has supported gay rights since 40 years ago. Hillary and Republicans have not.

* Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Hillary & The Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Hillary and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Hillary and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Hillary and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Hillary and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

* Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Hillary and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Hillary and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Hillary and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Hillary and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Hillary and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Hillary and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Hillary and the Republicans did not.

* Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Hillary and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders wants to Raise (or eliminate) the CAP on FICA deductions. Hillary and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposes unrestricted "Free Trade". Hillary and the Republican do not.

*Sanders wants to protect Social Security by Raising-the-Cap. Hillary and the Republicans do not because the top 1% will have to pay their fair share.

*Sanders wants to diffuse the Middle East by NOT sending more weapons, Hillary and the Republicans do not.

*Sanders marched with the Civil Rights Movement 40 years ago. Hillary and the Republicans did not.

(These are just a few of the differences. Please add more if you wish)

Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot.

.

.

[oberliner]

214. Bernie is renowned and respected for telling the truth

When he says something, he says it because he means it - not for political considerations.

Have a look at this:

Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
Legally require hiring women & minorities
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
Make voter registration easier
Keep God out of the public sphere
EPA regulations are not too restrictive

Bernie and Hillary agree on each. The Republicans disagree with them both on every issue.

Expand ObamaCare
Oppose vouchers for school choice
Prioritize green energy
Higher taxes on the wealthy
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
Do not privatize Social Security

Bernie and Hillary agree on each. The Republicans disagree with them both on every issue.

http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/35-40/Bernie-Sanders-vs-Hillary-Clinton

[cui bono]

216. No. Hillary said she would compromise on abortion. There was an OP on here about it.

And you can see the list I posted from bvar showing all the things where Hillary sides with the Republicans. Even Obama sides with them on TPP and you know Hillary will pass that if elected.

.

[Old Codger]

73. SOP

If you have nothing good going,not possible to raise yourself to the higher level..you need to attempt to bring the "enemy" down to your level...

[Zorra]

75. These deceitful tactics are utterly juvenile; disturbing and embarrassing to witness,

like neener neener schoolyard recess attacks made by third grade children.

So disturbing and Republican-like that I'm leaving the Democratic party, after being a Democrat since I was old enough to vote.

[jhart3333]

93. I'm right behind you. Dem since birth and I'm 63. Congratulations on your hard work & perseverance.

[Zorra]

133. Yeh, it's painful to see how far the Democratic party, which used to be the champion and protector

of both the human and economic rights of working folks, has fallen.

The rights of every American citizen, stated below, acknowledged by both FDR and Bernie, are a big part of the reason that I have been a Democrat my entire adult life. The Democratic party has been overrun by conservative, corporatist candidates, members, party officials, and legislators, like Hillary Clinton and half the Democratic party membership who actively oppose those of us who wish to implement these rights through democratic processes.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights#.22The_Economic_Bill_of_Rights.22

And, right now, it appears that half the Democratic party membership is in opposition to the legal implementation of these rights, and is supporting a Presidential candidate who is also in opposition to the legal implementation of these rights. They tell us that these rights are just an unattainable fantasy, a unicorn, nothing more than little girl's wish for a pony that her parents could never afford.

Just like Republicans do, and always have done. And I'm not, and never have been, anything at all like a Republican in any way, shape, or form.

We have met the enemy, and they're not us.

[Blue_Adept]

84. I can see Clinton cackling like the wicked witch of the west with her instructions

to do all of this.



Seriously, remind me some more why I dislike so many Sanders supporters around here.

[azurnoir]

145. No it's not Hillary it's her surrogate David Brock

as too the rest thank you I'm honored

[Blue_Adept]

154. Everything comes from the top. It's all part of her master plan.

Nobody does anything without her say so since she's so vindictive.

[azurnoir]

160. David Brock is at the top of her campaign

[DownriverDem]

86. Kos has a message to Bernie supporters!

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/29/1492734/-Democrats-South-Carolina-and-wrapping-up-our-primary-season#comment_59967803

[whatchamacallit]

128. Hate that creep

[Number23]

236. That was brutal. And BYOOOTIFUL

[raindaddy]

87. What we're seeing is the inevitable split in the party....

It really doesn't matter what candidate wins at this point.. There's simply too wide a chasm between the Clinton 3rd way Democrats and the Sanders FDR populists for any real or lasting consensus.. The first time Clinton breaks a progressive campaign promise, like supporting the TPP, or returning to her PNAC war hawk tendencies there's going to be blowback.. She isn't going to get the same kind of apathy that Obama got..

For me there's has to be a political evolution in the Democratic party or it won't survive..

[VulgarPoet]

179. Proud to be part of the "lunatic fringe".

Populism is on the rise... We need to abolish the corporatism that's overtaken the left.

[raindaddy]

229. Agreed!

[Rebkeh]

88. They count on short memories

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. This time it won't.

[Prism]

90. It's our first SJW campaign

Where every Bernie supporter is an MRA.

And after six months of painting every Sanders supporter as a racist, misogynist cretin, then come in and declare, "And I hope you'll vote with us in November!"

LOL.

I'm guessing "Social Skills 101" wasn't one of the topics in the Hillary campaign primer.

[McKim]

96. It Does Not Matter: She Doesn't Need Us

It does not matter. She doesn't need us anymore. With the mainstream media pushing frightening demagogue Trump to the top of the charts, they are scaring the public with him. So most Middle of the Roader Republicans, Conservatives, Third Wayers and Low Information "Democrats" will vote for her.

With Hillary the Republicans and Wall Streeters will get everything they want, more help for the 1%, more PNAC wars and defense contracts, and more school privatizing. She will drop a few crumbs from the golden plate for window dressing public relations for the rest of us and that will be that.

[chapdrum]

106. Precisely.

Well said.

[Orsino]

102. And vice versa.

The complaints we read here about "_________'s supporters" pretty much read like thinly-veiled personal attacks between DUers with grudges.

[chapdrum]

105. Like Repub's, HRC's supporters shut out

inconvenient facts.

And while this may be reflexive human nature, the behavior on its face does not refine nor advance policies that help anyone except HRC.

There is, after all, still the matter of defeating whichever fraudulent candidate gets the Repub nomination.

[merrily]

111. Yep. The 2008 Hillary campaign did the same thing to Obama supporters.

Targeted them. Got the media chiming in. Top down, well coordinated astro turf


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=0


http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?3326-IGNORANT-Bernie-Bros-must-END-their-name-calling!!! (satire: MannyGoldstein)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=104497

[Sunlei]

113. I'm voting for Sanders in the Primary because I want Mrs. Clinton to heed and hear Sanders.

She is an excellent diplomat, but the American People need someone 100% on their side.

[Javaman]

114. you can bank on the fact

that if hillary is the candidate and she loses the general, they won't base her loss on a crappy campaign, but they will use us Bernie supporters as their scapegoat.

[Android3.14]

116. Another misstep in a string of errors that characterizes Clinton's campaign

They are losing the GE.

[arcane1]

124. Whatever It Takes(tm)

[FlatBaroque]

134. BernieBro is nothing more than the creation of the syphilitic minds that

run the Hillaryland campaign.

[Billsmile]

135. If Hillary & the Genius DNC Lose the General Election

They'll no doubt blame the false narratives that they themselves constructed for their poor showing. It won't be their fault at all.

[ChiciB1]

136. I Couldn't Agree With You More... Those Of Us Who Are

AND WILL REMAIN supporters of Bernie know EXACTLY what's going on. I don't know the ages, the race or much personal information about almost everyone here on DU, but I now some.

I've stated many times before that I'm one of the women that fall into what I'm told is the Hillary demographic voter. I'm white, older and part of a generation that became very active back in the late 60's and 70's because of the Viet Nam War, but then with women's issues and the many strides we made back then. And I was part of a time when the people's voice did seem to have some affect and was heard by many of the Congress Critters who are still in power to this day. Many of them that I once held in high regard and had respect for. UNFORTUNATELY & truly with deep sadness, I no longer recognize them and I'm not totally sure I completely understand their betrayal. And that's what it IS whether ANYONE here wants to admit it or not.

I've seen some here who MUST have been around back then make comment after comment that it DOESN'T matter what they did in the past. This statement alone is astounding because our activism was real and anything we achieved felt like a victory for the people of this country. I have no explanation as to me WHY none of this matters? Were they LYING THEN or are the LYING NOW?

I turned away from organized religion many years ago, but I do recall that as a Catholic I was taught that Jesus said while he was hanging on the cross... the words, "Father Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do!"

Is THIS what we're supposed to do now? Forgive those who stood along side with us and those who we voted for because we believed they were going to be on our side and fight for us?

What is it about the icons of the Civil Rights Movement who so easily now use their power and names to support Hillary? I suppose only they can answer the question, but I have to call FOUL because I've asked myself the question and my answer is a simple one for me. Money & Power have made them happy and comfortable and they now see those of us who ARE STILL fighting for "we the people" will upset their apple cart!

This BETRAYAL cuts deep into my soul and I CAN NOT forgive them now. THEY DO KNOW what THEY DO! There were white leaders and GREAT Black leaders who wanted what was best for the people! However, the Black Leaders who I'm sure know the real truth of what Hillary represents STILL decided to use their name FOR HER, rather than to do what is best for their people! Disagree if you want, but it WAS and WILL BE the older POC of color who will vote for her. Our Congress Critters know this and you can scream all you want that they don't, but you won't convince me!

I know what they once stood for, but I'm older too and I WILL VOTE FOR BERNIE because despite all that's been said by the POC here, when you prefer to wear your blinders and not see this, I can't stand along side you. There are MANY, MANY whites who are STILL standing for the POC, where their own LEADERS ARE NOT! They must answer the questions themselves.

So, attack me all you want I'm don't want to play the argument game. I'm stating my thoughts, it's what I see and believe and I don't need links as attacks against me.

[Political_Junkie]

222. +1000 n/t

[hopemountain]

241. right there with you ~

[Duval]

137. I will vote for her only to keep the Republicans out.

After this election, I am going to register as an Independent. The Democratic Party has not been "democratic" in a long time and I'm sick of it. I will vote for Progressive Dems. It is sad that this is happening, but maybe Bernie has raised enough issues that are popular and will be considered by the Dem establishment. We can only hope.

[karynnj]

139. Very well said

I am beyond disgusted with this ugliness that seems to emanate just far enough from the Clintons that they have plausible denial. I still remember the 8 years of explaining away things I knew were wrong. I can see we are likely to have 4 more years of that .. if not 8 ... and many of us will defend her, even as our heart is not in it and we see it as a drag on our very souls.

What shocks me is that they felt the need to go there. The field was essentially cleared for HRC, she was endorsed by most elected officials even before she was officially in. Bernie is as unlikely a candidate as one could find in the Senate to challenge her - given his status as independent and his age. What is clear to anyone who has actually followed him is that he is a genuine, good person. I assume that is why these people are misrepresenting his supporters -- more than Bernie himself. I know that in ANY group of online supporters there are some who are nastier than others. However, even being on DU a huge amount of time, I don't think the Clinton allies' generated stereotype is the least bit common.

The idea that Bernie supporters are sexist for NOT supporting Clinton ignores that most would have gladly supported the equally female Elizabeth Warren. It is despicable that any post complaining about her closeness to Wall Street, her hawkish foreign policy positions or her strange record on the bankruptcy bills are labeled as SEXIST. Not to mention any comment that questions her ethics, honesty, or integrity is immediately labeled "right wing" -- though if she is the nominee, we will need convincing answers on these issues and for non partisans just saying they are "right wing" is not going to cut it. To make matters worse, the same Clinton people who argue that posting any response that does not absolve Clinton is unacceptable, then post thing that argue that the honorable Sanders is the one who is corrupt.

These actions actually hurt Clinton. She desperately needs to be seen as sufficiently likable and she will need Democrats to rally behind her. For any, especially young voters, who feel that they personally have been unfairly accused of being something that they absolutely are not, it asks a lot to get them to not just go to vote for her, but to canvas, phone bank and advocate for her.

In 2008, when Bush vetoed the extension of SCHIP, I realized that much as I was appalled by Clinton, if she were the nominee I would vote for her. That realization is even stronger now as so many Obama gains could be lost if a Republican wins. However, unlike in 1992 when I gave the Clintons the benefit of what little doubt existed, this time I will vote clear eyed, knowing that anyone who for almost 25 years has surrounded herself by people whose values I can not respect, is not a person I can respect the way I do Obama or other people with integrity.

I think that in retrospect that fact that Democrats, charmed by the charisma of Bill Clinton, ignored his flaws and chose him to run in 1992 is the root of the Democratic party not being the party it should be. I honestly do not get why the party is still so controlled by the Clintons - to the degree that she was essentially given this nomination.

[Tarc]

143. Sorry if the truth hurts, but, even Bernie himself called out these undesirables in his camp

Bernie Sanders Tells Berniebros To Knock It Off — ‘We Don’t Want That Crap’

On Twitter, Bernie Sanders’s supporters are becoming one of his biggest problems

and so on. Sanders supporters are the ones who tossed every black and Hispanic activist under the bus when they endorsed Clinton. Sanders supporters are the ones harassing Liz Warren on her Facebook right freakin now over her non-endorsement of Bernie.

99% of the vitriol this primary season comes from the Sanders supporters, people who just cannot come to grips with the fact that we're having elections and he is *gasp* not winning them.

Build a series of bridges and get over yourselves.

[berni_mccoy]

144. That's not the truth.

The truth is, if any supporters behaved that way, Sanders repudiates them, as he should.

The fact is a small number may have, but Hillary and her campaign have generalized it and turned it into a campaign tactic to hurt Bernie. But all that has done has hurt the party and the idea of putting anyone in office besides Trump. NOW THAT IS THE PAINFUL TRUTH.

[Tarc]

148. There's too many to repudiate, is the problem

I admire Sanders personally, he is a great man with honorable character. His followers should strive more to follow his lead.

The vitriol, which is increasing the more his chances slip away, is on your head.

[berni_mccoy]

150. Complete unsubstatied bullshit and everyone knows it.

And there is no business making it a campaign issue by camp Hillary.

[Tarc]

153. Sounds like someone's gettin a little cranky

The DU is a microcosm of Camp Sanders vitriol at the moment, you see it in every dippy "I feel the Bern!" thread that gets 300 upvotes and makes the front page.

It is not, however, a microcosm of the general electorate. The pro-Sanders vitriol derives from this; the complete inability to reconcile the DU View where everything Bernie is sunshine and unicorns, with the real-world view where he's seen as a good guy, but not the 1st choice for the majority of Democratic primary voters.

[John Poet]

188. I guess the "majority of Democratic primary voters"

must be neo-conservatives, then.

They might as well be voting for George W. Bush's sister.

[jillan]

155. Yes Bernie heard about it & dealt with it. Yet I have NEVER once heard Hillary call out her

supporters. Not ONCE.

From calling us racists, sexists, xenophobic or to insulting our veterans - NOT ONCE has she told them to knock it off.

And that disgusts me.

[felix_numinous]

149. Because killing the messenger hopefully kills the message

instead of responding to legitimate questions and issues, being more transparent as a presidential candidate, it is easier to character assassinate, shame and blame the person who might break the illusion. It is a very old yet low trick by people who have no desire or ability to answer directly.

What used to work well before the internet age now appears to be out of touch with the reality that anyone can cross check instantly. These tricks used to work well but now people are exposed and they seem to not even know it or care.

[kgnu_fan]

151. K&R

[Faux pas]

152. Kickin' for the truth!

[MisterP]

163. yeah, it's started to push back already--they've been allowed to tear on for so long

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that people were apologizing in advance for meekly DARING to ask for the brazen Brockian lies about photos and "English Only" to be corrected

I think what broke the dominion of fear was SC--not the primary (that's the usual "the end is near" wailing)--but Ashley Williams (and her getting *hissed* at by a mass of rich white donors)

after half a year of dinning "BLM hates Sanders!" everyone realized that there's only one candidate they felt they had to protest, so the baiters immediately switched to "you care about BLM too much! DU is a racist cesspool that makes a Trump rally look like the Pettus Bridge marchers"

that was the straw

[Bettie]

165. It does often seem as if

those who support Clinton would prefer that those of us who prefer Sanders would simply leave the party.

[Beacool]

168. Excuse me, but pot calling the kettle.....

GDP is mostly in favor of Sanders. Hillary's supporters are a minority here. I see nothing but attacks on Hillary and her supporters 24/7.

There has nothing, and I mean nothing, that hasn't been used against Hillary. Including almost every RW tactic. Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone yet accuse her of killing Vince Foster. Slackers.....

Come on, campaigns get down and dirty, no matter how candidates pretend to stay above the fray. If some of you don't develop a thicker skin it's going to be a tough few months.

No one is trying to disenfranchise anyone for the simple reason that the same people who are now voting for Sanders will be needed in the GE. It's a fine line.

As for campaign managers, a lot of crap also comes out of Devine's mouth. It's not all one sided.

[Armstead]

181. Speaking for myself....There's hoinest campaigning and then there's the otehr kind

If Clinton's campaign had focused only on presenting herself as the best candidate, stated and defended her positions, and debated Sanders on honest terms about the issues, I'd be okay with her campaign.

But the lies, dog whistles and the deliberate polarization has gotten beyond the pale, IMO.

WE expect that from the GOP. But not in the primaries on that level.

It's also self-defeating, because if she does get the nomination she is going need as many "Berniebros" as she can round up to make the difference against the GOP.

[Cavallo]

184. I think the question should be why are they a minority

I did not know they were a minority.

[closeupready]

171. She's going to be the nominee, but she's losing to Trump in the GE. And despite

what some here would have you believe, he actually has some positions that are appealing to the very people who were supporting Bernie. For example, rejection of the H1-B visa program.

Who knows, we'll see.

[Nitram]

173. Is it the Clinton campaign or Clinton supporters who use terms like "BerniBros"?

Is it the Sanders campaign or Sander's supporters who use pejorative terms to describe Clinton? Both sides are doing it. I'd like to see your evidence that this "as an orchestrated campaign tactic handed down by the campaign to give out to her minions on social network". And notice how you used the word "minions" to describe Clinton supporters? Kind undermines your case, don't you think? Amazing how thin skinned some Bernie supporters are - why don't I seem them criticizing their own side when they engage in name-calling and teasing?

[ismnotwasm]

183. Yeah well

It's not a campaign tactic. It's an observation, one written about in many articles, been observed in comment sections, noticed on Facebook pages been talked about for months.

[bettyellen]

191. Seriously, it is one I have had real life conversations about too. A few people I know made the

decision that they would rather feel "in the right" than actually discuss issues in anything less than a condescending manner.
Dismissing this as a "tactic" instead of a real world reaction is as out of touch as anything I have read here.
They really want to believe everyone is faking their reactions- instead of listening. It is crazy.

[ismnotwasm]

197. I know!

Back at the beginning, efforts were made to point this out. Those efforts were shut down or ignored.

[UglyGreed]

187. Some can't help themselves

[Warren DeMontague]

194. it gives dull witted geezers with sad little lives & low capacity for self-amusement something to do

"hey! Ad hominem attacks are mean!"

[whatchamacallit]

195. They've destroyed their ace in the hole: fear of a republican

By blindingly supporting many of the same things the pukes do, and being more insulting, dismissive, and divisive than most the republicans I've met, they've severely diluted the noxious fear brew they serve up when all else fails.

[Uncle Joe]

196. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, berni_mccoy.

[H2O Man]

198. Definitely recommended.

Well said. Very well said, indeed.

Thank you for this powerful OP.

[rock]

202. It's not a campaign tactic

It's a report.

[Progressive dog]

203. If it were happening, it would be a bad tactic

If some Bernie supporters think threatening Democrats with refusal to vote for Hillary in the general is a good campaign tactic, then be my guest. I don't care who you choose to vote for in the general election, but please stop making up stuff. Like Bernie, I am sick of the damn e-mails.

[Buzz cook]

206. Link please.

Where is the Clinton campaign making attacking Sanders supporters an issue?

If you're referencing attacks from Clinton supporters on the internet, then put on your big boy pants and take it like a man.

[one_voice]

208. sure.

I am finding it more and more difficult each day to pull the lever for Hillary

OP's like this are making it easier for me. Oh, wait. No they aren't. You know why...I don't give a fig what some anonymous person on an internet site says. I have no idea who is behind any keyboard or what their real intentions are....

....which is why anonymous anger or nastiness means nothing to me.

I'm still not sure who I'll vote for in my April primary, but I know I will be voting for the Dem nominee in November.

Hope your day improves!

[RoccoR5955]

209. They seem to take for granted

our votes should Clinton get the nomination.
Let them do that, and they shall suffer a great loss

[jfern]

210. +infinity

So many bridges have been burned by the Hillary campaign. All I see is that they've attacked me for not being a 3rd way hawk.

[JackRiddler]

211. It's very important to alienate the same people that...

you're going to blame later when you lose.

[lumberjack_jeff]

217. It's mostly psychology.

If you're entitled to something, and the obstacle standing in your way is persecution by your oppressors, blaming them is a reflex.

[gordyfl]

218. Alan Grayson Endorses Bernie Sanders

"Perhaps inspired by the Bernie Sanders message of “Not me. Us.”, for the past several days, I have appealed to Democrats across the nation to tell me for whom I should vote, as a Super-delegate at the Democratic National Convention.

The response has been absolutely overwhelming. Almost 400,000 Democrats voted at GraysonPrimary.com.
More than the number who voted in the South Carolina primary. More than the number who voted in the New Hampshire primary and the Nevada caucus combined.

The results: Sanders 86%, Clinton 14%. More than just a landslide. An earthquake....."


http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/alan-grayson-endorses-bernie-sanders/2267307

[Cheese Sandwich]

219. The political system is rigged. So is the media. Let's riot.

[shenmue]

221. Cussing and calling people stupid makes you...

as rude as you said the Clinton people were.

[AikenYankee]

225. Scary ain't it !!!

Unsolicited advice to Hillary supporters ... you need to be very careful. She needs Sanders supporters in November, assuming she gets to November. Peace.

[DesertFlower]

226. i think it's wrong to bash supporters of

either candidate and i haven't and won't do it.

[Waiting For Everyman]

234. There are relationships like this.

And those of us who have been in them know exactly what to do with them.

[mhatrw]

235. Clinton & her supporters ALWAYS scream loudest about the exact things they are most guilty of.

Sanders has a (union) superPAC!

Sanders when to DSCC retreats and even USED THE POOL!

Sanders' supporters are big, big bullies!

Sanders' campaign uses dirty tricks!

Sanders and his supporters use race and gender to divide people!

[PoliticalMalcontent]

237. She's marginalizing her opponents supporters because in the GE she'd be the best viable option.

Still, I think she ought to tread lightly. She's got such baggage. People may vote against Trump more than they'll vote against her, but she's really risking pissing off a lot of people she'll need in a general election.

Frankly, I'm tired of the corruption. I'll be waiting four years, the threat of Trump be damned.

Does anybody remember how buddy-buddy Trump and Clinton were once upon a time? Honestly, she is attracted to power. She's not in it for us. She's in it for herself.

[Recursion]

238. So then Sanders supporters need to stop making themselves an issue, yesterday (nt)

[billhicks76]

240. No Pics Bernie Laughing With Trump

But go ahead and keep ignoring the Clintons photo. Or the photo of Bill Clinton at Bush Sr's private retreat in 1982.

[Cavallo]

244. It should be a non-issue compared to Hillary's backers....

[lovemydog]

245. Are you doing what you condemn,

i.e., blaming Hillary for what some of her supporters say?

[berni_mccoy]

246. Where have I generalized her supporters racist, sexist bullies?

Oh right, no one has. Please don't even try to insinuate a double standard! Hillary is queen of playing the victim, and here you are echoing a tactic of her campaign.

[lovemydog]

248. No, that's not what I meant.

I meant attributing to the candidate, or deciding to vote, based on that candidate's self-described supporters. I think you are doing precisely that, again.

Why do you think it's a campaign tactic? You think all the people who have complained about it or mentioned it are paid off by or in bed with the Clinton campaign? Do you think there's a possibility that some of the people who have complained about it were actually subjected to some behavior they truly didn't like, and truly felt was sexist or racist or bullying?

[berni_mccoy]

249. It's been a campaign tactic from the start.

There is no denying that her campaign has tried to demonize Bernie supporters as racist or sexist bullies. They've even gone after millennial women who support Bernie.

[lovemydog]

253. What's the basis for that opinion?

How has her campaign done that?

To me, some (not all but a handful) have posted bullying and/or racially insensitive stuff, not just here but on other social media (twitter, reddit, Daily Kos for example). I've wondered if some are paid to make Sanders supporters look bad. Some are greeted with 'HUGE K & R!' replies. In my opinion they're not all on Clinton's campaign.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

247. There are layers to their naive idiocy

1. Your OP
2. They're blind to the fact that Bernie is giving Hillary a free pass. We DU Bernie supporters can eviscorate her. Bernie refuses to.
3. Bernie, though never a Democrat, and completely mocked and marginalized by the machine, ran as a Democrat rather than an Independent. And her supporters are naively bitter abou this!

[Freddie Stubbs]

251. No, running an admitted socialist for President is the Dumbest Fucking Campaign Tactic in History

[houston16revival]

254. Well there was

Dukakis in that tank

That was pretty dumb too

[LiberalElite]

258. K&R nt