In response to "ignore SC vote" thread, should my GA be ignored too?

[themaguffin]

What other states?

Will we know now, or only after the results?

Thanks

[LexVegas]

1. VA, most likely should also be ignored. nt

[Blue_Tires]

48. FOAD, if you please

[Lizzie Poppet]

55. Looks like telling fellow DU'ers to "fuck off and die" is okay:

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[Blue_Tires]

59. I don't like people saying my state primary should be ignored...

Is there a problem? Do our votes not count or something?

[Lizzie Poppet]

60. Oh, I don't disagree with that opinion in the least.

I just don't like how you expressed it and voted to hide (nothing remotely personal...I always vote to hide that kind of post). But I don't disagree with your viewpoint on having your state dismissed broadly.

Yes, whether or not a state is one a party has any real hope of winning matters in terms of campaign planning, etc. Matters a lot... That doesn't mean you ignore that state's primary preferences, or dismiss its voters in terms of the GE.

Of course, the obvious best option is to dissolve the anti-democratic Electoral College and directly elect the president so that everyone's vote matters equally.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Only examine the states where Sanders does well, and declare "cheating" in the rest.

Saves time.

[jham123]

25. as a Bernie

Supporter......that right there is funnay, I don't care who ya are

[giftedgirl77]

3. Only if BS loses. If he wins you'll get tons of love.

[iandhr]

4. Any state that Hillary wins need to be ignored.

Because anyone who doesn't back Bernie is part of a great conspiracy don't you know.

[Le Taz Hot]

5. Brace yourself:

The South is not representational of the rest of the United States. Brace yourself again: The rest of us get to vote.

That is all.

[Old Codger]

12. She wins the primary there

But that is pretty much a wasted effort they are out of play for her in the GE if she manages to get that far. So really are inconsequential in that sense only.

[Svafa]

50. I don't think winning the primaries

in states dems will not win in the GE is all that impressive.

[1StrongBlackMan]

52. Doesn't winning the Democratic Primary, in any state, help to decide ...

who the Democratic nominee in the G/E will be?

If it is not impressive, and in this case, by margin of victory; perhaps, we should just hold the Democratic primaries in states that Democrats will win in?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. I don't consider myself as 'ignoring' any states.

But I am just assuming Clinton will win all deep red states. So they're not part of the path I see towards a Sanders nomination. I guess you could call that an 'ignore' if you want to. But that's your call, not mine.

[72DejaVu]

15. Like Oklahoma?

[Le Taz Hot]

17. You went there.

My Suthehnah husband insists that Oklahoma IS NOT THE SOUTH!11!!1! However, my Okie relatives (I can say that because I come from good Okie stock) insist that they are, indeed, Southerners. I'm a Californian, what do I know?

[frazzled]

30. This is a Democratic contest, with deep blue Democratic voters

The fact that they live in red states has zero impact on this race for the nomination. And the person who wins the most Democratic delegates to the convention wins the nomination. So I'd ignore these "red" states at your peril. They are just as much a part of the path to the nomination as any state.

(And BTW, Clinton won the great big blue states of NY and CA in the 2008 primary.)

[MineralMan]

7. Well, it's just another of those 'red Confederate states,'

full of people who can't think for themselves, so probably it won't really count.

Vermont, on the other hand, will count plenty, except for the number of delegates it sends to the convention.

[JonLeibowitz]

27. Well Vermont does have an excellent educational system

[MineralMan]

32. I see. It also awards only 16 unpledged delegates.

It's all about the delegate count. GA awards 102. Texas awards 222. Alabama awards 53. Minnesota has 77 delegates to award, proportionally, like all of the states.

Nothing else matters, really.

[JonLeibowitz]

34. I knew that. Bye n/t

[MineralMan]

41. I do not know what you know and do not know.

I do not really know anything about you. Further, you are not the only one reading my reply. I tend to post factual information, rather than just state my opinion about something. I find that far more useful when I read post from other people, too.

Sorry if I provided more information than you needed. From now on, if you let me know what you know about something, I'll be able to custom-tailor my reply to your needs.

[datguy_6]

8. Bernie is a socialist, agnostic Jew running for President...

He has no chance of winning any state in the Bible Belt, just as HRC has no chance of winning any of those states in the general election...

[grossproffit]

9. Any state that Hillary wins = under the bus.

[NWCorona]

10. There will always be sour grapes to eat

People's true colors came out in 2008 as well. I just ignore them

[sufrommich]

11. Any state that Sanders loses is highly unrepresentative of

the Democratic voter,unlike New Hampshire and Vermont which totally resemble the Democratic party's demographics.

[Lizzie Poppet]

61. Good point. NH and VT not that representative of Democratic Party demographics.

They're representative of progressive voters, instead.

Guess which I care about more, party branding or progressivism...?

[MoonRiver]

13. It's called Head in Sand syndrome.

The antidote for this condition will arrive on 3/1, but there is no guarantee that the afflicted will take their medicine.

Edit:

[Dawgs]

14. Maybe. We were told to ignore NH. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

16. Terrible conclusion, we will be counted, our delegates will be at the convention. Watch.

[themaguffin]

20. I'm just asking a a question since some think SC should be ignored...

[jeff47]

26. Should NH be ignored?

That seemed to be the popular talking point when Sanders won it. It's inherent in the "just wait until he gets to a real state" argument.

[Gothmog]

18. I am wondering about Texas

We have a ton of delegates

[jeff47]

28. Sorta.

You have 222 pledged delegates. California has only 33% more people, but has more than double the pledged delegates (475).

The formula for delegates takes in to account past general election results. Texas last voted for a Democrat in the general election in 1976. http://www.270towin.com/states/Texas

As a result, Texas has fewer delegates-per-person than other states. IIRC, Texas has the worst delegate-to-person ratio this cycle.

So while you have the most delegates on this super Tuesday, you don't have as much of an effect at the convention as other states.

[Gothmog]

40. The latest Calif. poll that I could find has Sanders down by 11%

Sanders is not polling well in California according to the latest polls that I have seen http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2522.pdf By the time California rolls around, the process will be over. Again with proportionate voting, it will be hard to catch Clinton after Super Tuesday. Losing California by 11 points is not a great way to become the nominee.

[jeff47]

42. Proportionate voting also means it's hard to knock out Sanders during Super Tuesday.

Lose all Super Tuesday states by, say, 5% and he's still in the race.

CA's had virtually no attention since their primary is in June. We'll just have to see where things go.

[zappaman]

19. It depends.

If it's for Clinton, it should be ignored.
If it's for Sanders, it should be celebrated.

[Autumn]

21. I don't ignore the state votes. I ignore the nonsense that because she wins an early state

it's all over for Bernie. There are many states to go. Bernie will win some he will lose some. We ignore the sting of one loss in a state and go on.

A wise man said

We are in a really good position now …..much better than we might have anticipated, or hoped for. Our opposition will continue to try to frame it as a hopeless battle. This is because, by and large, they have lost hope for a better future for everyone. Our mission is to keep hope alive, and to spread it across this nation.

[themaguffin]

22. that wasn't the argument. the argument is that SC should be ignored.

[Autumn]

23. I gave my opinion, I didn't respond to argue. My opinion is in response to your question.

Yes if Bernie loses I will ignore the loss in SC. If Bernie loses GA ,OK VT or CO or any other state I will ignore the loss of that state too and concentrate on the next. Bernie will win some he will lose some. One or two losses does not end it. I will ignore the nonsense that because he loses a few early states he needs to drop out.

[themaguffin]

35. that's fine, but you miss my point

[Autumn]

38. Perhaps your point in your OP wasn't clear. Why would I respond to whats not in your OP?

[jeff47]

24. Well...The DNC gives Georgia fewer delegates than "blue" states get.

The formula for delegates takes into account past general election results. The last time GA voted for a Democrat in the general election was 1992. http://www.270towin.com/states/Georgia

As a result, GA gets fewer delegates-per-person at the convention.

So are you upset that the DNC does this, or only upset when others point out GA reliably votes for the Republican in the general election?

[themaguffin]

36. I'm referring to the primary. I'm not "upset," merely asking a question, thanks

[mikeysnot]

29. For democratic candidates, yes...

http://www.270towin.com/states/South_Carolina

Carter and Kennedy were it.....

Some of the slime that states sends to congress...

james DeMint, Lindsay Graham, strom thurmond, Trey Gowdy, Joe "You Lie" Wilson and the cherry on top goes to this asshole... mark Sanford.

Those are just the ones off the top of my head.... Need I say more?

[RobertEarl]

39. What a great state!!

They are so proud of not only their heritage but who they have representing them in DC.

Meanwhile the rest of us are like: WTF is wrong with them?

Georgia, by comparison is like a deep blue ocean. Really it's a puddle, but next to SC it looks deep blue.

[KingFlorez]

31. Let's ignore posters who suggest that states be ignored

[BlueMTexpat]

57. + a million or so!

Any poster, no matter WHO wins the state!

We are a nation of 50 states. Every single one is a part of the whole. Either that or we are no longer The "United" States of America.

[Hiraeth]

33. The Falcons beat the Panthers. That was noticeable.

[MaggieD]

37. Yes, ignore all states that don't vote Bernie

That will be about 45 states out of 50 to go on the ignore list. So much for his 50 state strategy. Ooops. LOL!

[Trajan]

43. I guess you are making some sort of point here?

The south is what it is ...

You can lead a horse to water .....

The old Confederacy never or rarely votes for even moderate democrats, so, whatever sentiments you harbor that democrats should not ignore the south runs right up against the fact that the south is not interested in anybody but right wing demagogues ...

Why waste our resources in a place that is patently AGAINST any sort of liberal policy making?

You wanna bring your state into contention for Democrats? ... CHANGE SOME MINDS ...

Otherwise, it's still a money pit where Democrat party resources go to die ....

What's the point again?

[CreekDog]

44. Don't ignore the votes, ignore RobertEarl (here's why):

Here's what he's written:

RobertEarl (6,960 posts)
23. Yeah, and it is time to do this

Everyone needs to come to grips with the fact that the privileged white male has been very, very good for this society. That thru that privilege our human society have great things upon which our easy lives' rest. Our unions and our work ethic have resulted in all of us living like only the few kings and queens did 100 years ago.

I am a wm and I'm proud and privileged.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2139120

RobertEarl (2,748 posts)
52. My opinion

Since our society is making progress and slowly dropping the wall of privilege, or glass ceiling, the society as a whole will improve. Be better.

But it is what it is and we can thank the wm, as a whole, for producing the easy life we now enjoy. The US and Europe have it very, very good historically, and imo, it has to do with the affirmative action the wm embraced and made good with.

"wm"="white male"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2139421

[bettyellen]

46. Oh goodness. It is up to Duers themselves to set the standard here. Why don't they hide shit like

that? They have poisoned this place.

[Beacool]

45. Prepare to have your state thrown under the bus along with TN, AL, AR, TX, VA

and maybe some others too. She's trending in MA, but that sate is too far North to be summarily dismissed as a Southern state.

[Corey_Baker08]

47. Should Florida Be Ignored Because Hillary Is 30 Points Ahead?

[DrDan]

53. it is being ignored - no campaign offices in the state - weird as Obama won here twice

[cherokeeprogressive]

49. I think giving it the same weight as New Hampshire is fair enough.

Though the Hillary club will scream that since New Hampshire has less blacks than Georgia; it's less of a state. It's as if a state with more PoC in it is more important than other states and thus its citizens are worth more or something.

I tend to see each state as equal no matter who lives there.

So, yeah. Georgia carries as much weight with me as New Hampshire does.

[AgerolanAmerican]

51. If left up to the DNC they'll ignore all our votes

and just let the superdelgates pick the nominee of the "Democratic" party.

Why do we even have superdelegates, again?

[BlueMTexpat]

58. Total B***S***!

Why are you here on a Democratic website?

[AgerolanAmerican]

63. That's strange

I didn't think the concept of "one man one vote" would generate such hostility on a Democratic website.

Since you appear to have strong feelings on the subject, can you explain to me the virtue of having superdelegates involved in the selection of our nominee?

[BlueMTexpat]

64. Actually, you can read ALL about SuperDs on Wiki,

if you're truly interested. They didn't just spring forth from DWS's head ONLY for the 2016 election.

But since I posit that you are more interested in flamebait than in information, you likely fulfill the description on my second sig line and thus will add you to my Ignore List forthwith. Buh-bye.

[Lizzie Poppet]

62. Why do we even have superdelegates? Why, it's simple:

To guard against us peasants selecting the "wrong" candidate...

[Live and Learn]

54. Ask DWS. Pretty sure she hasn't done anything to increase voter turnout or inform voters there,

either. If only a small, conservative contingent of Democrats vote then yes, they should be ignored.

[Dems to Win]

56. Democrats of South Carolina are real people, part of our party. Their voices count.

I'm a Bernie supporter, but won't disparage voters of any state.

I'm a big fan of South Carolina State Rep. Justin Bamberg, he's a supporter of Bernie and co-counsel to the family of Walter Scott. He's going to continue getting out the word about Bernie Sanders.

Bernie and Bernie's supporters need to keep reaching out to the 99% with our message. We can't give up on anyone; that's not the way of Bernie's campaign.