Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:15 PM Feb 2016

"Voters Say Clinton Is Dishonest and Trump Is Stupid - Why Are They Leading the Race?"

link; excerpt:

Quick. What’s the first thing that springs to mind when you think of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton?

According to a new national survey by Gallup of Americans in both parties, the most common responses are “Dishonest” or “liar” or “don’t trust her” or even “belongs in jail.” Ouch.

Clinton’s chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, fairs much better on the honesty and integrity front. ... The 2016 presidential campaign may go down as one of the most negative of modern times, with the Democratic frontrunner Clinton running under a black cloud of public suspicion and disdain for her mishandling of sensitive emails during her four years at the State Department and her response to the 2012 Benghazi, Libya, terrorist attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound, while the likely Republican nominee, Donald Trump, has blistered Democratic and Republican candidates alike with charges of lying, incompetence, low energy and even criminality.

Clinton has consistently drawn high negative ratings for her character and honesty since she formally launched her campaign for president last spring. Trump has engendered far more pessimism and negativity among voters across political and ideological lines, even as he continues to rack up impressive showings in the early primaries and caucuses... Americans’ list of negatives about Trump largely focused on the combative billionaire’s obnoxious personality – including generalized feelings that he is arrogant, offensive and rude, ill-tempered, hot-headed and “stupid and idiotic.”... In the case of Clinton, the former first lady and New York senator drew negative ratings from six in ten voters surveyed, with her highest-ever unfavorable rating of 59 percent while just 38 percent were favorable. (Among Democrats alone, not surprisingly, she does much better, with 72 percent favorable an only 26 percent unfavorable. But her negative ratings shoot up significantly among independents, with 65 percent of them saying they are highly critical of her candidacy.)... She has been dogged throughout the campaign by criticisms of her close ties to Wall Street, the tens of millions of dollars that she and her husband, former President Bill Clinton have accepted in speaking fees from special interest groups and universities, and her mishandling of secret documents on her personal email server during her four years as secretary of state.

Sanders, meanwhile, is considered more honest and caring about the needs of average Americans, and a “fresh face” in the national political arena despite his decades of service in the House and Senate.
19 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
"Voters Say Clinton Is Dishonest and Trump Is Stupid - Why Are They Leading the Race?" (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 OP
Manufactured consent? haikugal Feb 2016 #1
Yep. That's a perfect term. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #10
Love it when they leave out a few critical words, like "some" liberal N proud Feb 2016 #2
yea some...... Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #14
Um Because the Media is obsessed with Trump - and they want Hill to be Inevitable. nt Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #3
+10 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #12
Trump is *not* "stupid". Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #4
But the point remains: the media is framing both of them in a certain way GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #19
'If we are going to nominate someone who 50% of our people can't stand, elleng Feb 2016 #5
Seems unlikely both parties will lose BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #11
Money blinds people... kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #6
For Clinton it is brand recognition. People who aren't engaged can at least say they know who she GoneFishin Feb 2016 #7
Free Publicity. Octafish Feb 2016 #8
because many are trump and Clinton supporters saying that about the other JI7 Feb 2016 #9
Because we have a "lesser of two evils" political process thanks to Corporate America nichomachus Feb 2016 #13
BIngo! Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #15
Oh we have to accept that many democrats buy into centrism. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #16
Manipulation courtesy of the media. Avalux Feb 2016 #17
bingo Vote2016 Feb 2016 #18

liberal N proud

(60,344 posts)
2. Love it when they leave out a few critical words, like "some"
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016

Some voters, not all voters. And some voters distrust Bernie as well.


GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
19. But the point remains: the media is framing both of them in a certain way
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:51 PM
Feb 2016

Here is what Trump looks like through a different set of filters (and YES he did say all of these things):

elleng

(131,113 posts)
5. 'If we are going to nominate someone who 50% of our people can't stand,
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:23 PM
Feb 2016

we are going to lose.'

Marco Rubio

Goes for BOTH parties.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
11. Seems unlikely both parties will lose
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:25 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary versus Trump would be a competition to see who can drive the other person's negatives up the highest. All out nuclear war.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
7. For Clinton it is brand recognition. People who aren't engaged can at least say they know who she
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:23 PM
Feb 2016

is, but people who are not politically engaged have not seen Bernie's name in the news for 25 years to have it burned into their brains. People who don't have the time or energy to delve deeply into politics are voting for the devil they know.

Which is why the media had a black out on Bernie for as long as they could, and why DWS restricted the debates. They knew Hillary would get a free ride for a while based on name recognition alone.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
13. Because we have a "lesser of two evils" political process thanks to Corporate America
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:49 PM
Feb 2016

We're stuck with deciding who is the least worst candidate. Anyone who comes along that tries to remedy that -- Bernie, for example, will be savaged by the entrenched powers and the corporatist media.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
15. BIngo!
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:58 PM
Feb 2016

and I'm sick of it. I won't be stampeded again.

The lesser of two evils, is still evil.

Revolutions Cost. Even 'bloodless' political Revolutions have a price.

This one will cost in pain and suffering if Bernie is not the Nom because if Clinton is the Nom, she will loose and the Fourth Reich will run rampant - for a while. And that may be what it takes to finally get enough people off of their asses.
Maybe we haven't reached critical mass yet. Maybe we have to hit bottom first

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
16. Oh we have to accept that many democrats buy into centrism.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:05 PM
Feb 2016

They are scared of rocking the boat. Clinton is the safe choice. We will keep plowing forward as the clean up party for the mess republicans make. No we can't have medicare for everyone. No we can't extend public education to k-16. No we can't. No we can't. See? It's easy to just keep on doing nothing. Don't rock the boat, don't tip the boat over.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
17. Manipulation courtesy of the media.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 06:13 PM
Feb 2016

The propaganda narrative was decided upon long before the primary even started. Yes, we get to vote, but Americans are told who to vote for and unfortunately we do as we're told. Our 'news' is just one big advertisement for the pre-ordained candidates.

When SC voters say they voted for Hillary because "she looks presidential" and "everyone knows her name" - there you go.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»"Voters Say Clinton Is Di...