NYTimes finally reports on Hillary's creating an ISIS haven in Libya

[greymouse]

Removes a functioning central government of a state reaching out for detente with the West, and creates a civil war Isis haven that threatens Italy and other Mediterranean states. Destroys the lives of millions of middle class and rural Libyans. Sets womens' rights there back centuries. Nice job, Hill.

Then tries to weasel out:

"When asked to defend her record on Libya, Mrs. Clinton has taken a line quite the opposite of her aides’ previous insistence on her central role in the intervention. “At the end of the day, this was the president’s decision,” she told a House committee in October."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html

[cantbeserious]

1. When First We Practice To Deceive - What A Wicked Web We Weave

eom

[Depaysement]

2. Hillary

War without end. Lies without end. Oligarchy without end.

[JDPriestly]

62. The article reads like a pro-Hillary propaganda piece. Wonder who was behind it?

Blumenthal?????? Just a wild guess.

Pro-Hillary propaganda. She made a mess and now wants to blame it on Obama.

She was happy enough to take credit when she thought things were going well. What a hare-brained scheme.

First rule when plotting out strategy: QUESTION EVERY ASSUMPTION.

Assume that even your friends are either mistaken or possibly even lying not just to you but to themselves.

In other words, check what you assume are the facts before proceeding. It is clear that Hillary did not do that.

Nobody did that. Sarkozy??????? Who would trust him?????

[4139]

3. She is the one who talked the President and the world into attacking Libya

[CentralMass]

4. She seemed to enjoy the decision at the time.

[Skwmom]

5. Blame it on Obama. He had the final say but you were the one doing the pushing. n/t

[DhhD]

37. With the news article out, when will the public be asking Obama about his role in Libya? no text

[FangedNoumenom]

71. Hillary's entire platform is "continuing Obama's legacy." n/t

[mainer]

6. What painful memories that brings back. Right here.

I remember all the RA-RA warmongering DUers who wanted to kill Gaddafi, talking up our glorious intervention and demeaning those of us who opposed it. I said it then, and I'm sorry to say I told you so. It's a disaster.

[JDPriestly]

63. Gaddafi was a serious problem, but it's the strategy that was used to try to solve the

problem that was so wrong.

[Martin Eden]

7. Foreign policy experience is often touted as the strongest part of Hillary's resume'

And it's the biggest reason I won't support her in a Democratic primary.

[Live and Learn]

8. Her foreign policies stink to high heaven!!! nt

[giftedgirl77]

9. This I will agree with you on.

Sometimes I think it is posturing to run with the big dogs. But nonetheless she is a little cray.

[Live and Learn]

10. I refuse to vote for another war and that is what a vote for Hillary is. nt

[giftedgirl77]

14. Based on my race & my fiance's religion & birthplace we have giant

targets on our back. Not voting isn't an option.

[Live and Learn]

16. You may think she will do something for you but I guarantee she won't. nt

[giftedgirl77]

27. Ok, at this point it's about preventing negative repercussions

not getting anything. When I started out at 19 with an infant & abusive boyfriend I lived in a 1 bedroom house where the wiring was so bad that when a light switch turned on you would see the electricity travel up the wall. I would just cut that breaker off afterwards. My son & I slept in the living room bc we couldn't use the bedrooms because they were outside walls & bullets were a common occurrence.

That infant is now almost 18 & about to go to college in the fall also has a 14 yr old brother, neither one of them really remembers that life bc I busted my ass & got them out. We now live very comfortable & they don't need for shit.

I have never looked at a pol & thought they were going to actually do anything major. When I look at a pol I think which one is going to do me the least amount of harm.

I think HRC or Sanders aren't really going to do anything that's going to benefit minorities.

[Live and Learn]

28. War, continued high rates of imprisonment and homelessness, greater income inequality and

a climate that won't sustain us. Those are negative repercussions and they are guaranteed with Hillary.

You are wrong about Sanders, he has always looked out for the least of us.

I just hope you can live with your vote after the primary. I know I will be able to live with mine.

[giftedgirl77]

31. Let's not pretend that Sanders the guy that's been in politics

about as long as I've been alive or longer is really going to deal with the issues that disproportionatly effects minorities. Other than a few sound bites throughout his career he hasn't done anything.

[leveymg]

46. Poverty and income inequality disproportionately impact minorities

Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises. I understand your disillusionment with American Two Party politics, however. Both are primarily tools of the billionaires.

[giftedgirl77]

79. So does seeing our people

being harassed, beaten & locked up or just murdered based solely on skin tone & ethnicity.

[leveymg]

116. Racist violence and repression against minorities are just strategic assets the wealthy invest

to maintain the existing social privileges and profit margins. If being harassed, beaten & locked up or just murdered based solely on skin tone & ethnicity didn't suit their class purposes and personal preferences, this wouldn't exist anymore.

[DhhD]

48. He made no mistake in voting for no War in Iraq, where Saddam had no part of 9/11 and allowed

absolutely no Al Qaeda in Iraq. When on the other hand, Libya has become a IS weapons depot because of Clinton's or is it Obama's policies? We need to ask Obama about that.

Democrats have a dilemma facing them. Vote for Hillary Clinton's Middle East War or not vote for Trumps Middle East War. I already know that my family will lose 20% of our Social Security benefits either way. Those who do not work do not get ACA limited doctor visit, Hillarycare, anyway. Medical bankruptcy or indigent care is a better option for the poor as Clinton could care less about the poor as noted in her healthcare policies.

I would have to make up my mind on whether or not to vote for Hillary, when I think about how the poor could be drafted into Hillary's Middle East War with Iran and Russia. She will have to correct her mistake and clean up her Libya mess first. The thought of our kids and nieces and nephews going to war will help me make up my mind in the coming future. Who is going to pay for war? Most of America will be running the same scenario, do I want to vote for a huge, deadly and costly war, or not? Looks like Trump will be to blame if I vote the down ticket Democrats only. I have a big decision coming!

Independents have to make up their mind.

[greymouse]

50. Sanders put his butt on the line

years ago in civil rights demonstrations. People were beaten and some died in those demonstrations.

Somehow I don't view this as a "sound bite":





The ignorance some people have of history is astonishing.

[giftedgirl77]

85. Those are the most polite police officers.

Bernie's white pants aren't even dirty.

[GoneFishin]

56. Hillary has never fought power. There are billions being made by private prisons by ballooning

incarceration rates. And the private prison industry is supporting her for a reason.

That means there are people in prison who don't need to be there, all so that Hillary's friends can make a buck.

It's disgusting and immoral.

[giftedgirl77]

83. So what's Sanders take on them?

I searched & all I found was a couple of stories from last fall, nothing from before he started to campaign. Now I'm pretty sure private prisons were around since before last fall.

[GoneFishin]

109. He has been on the radio every week for years and years speaking openly and honestly to phone

callers about all of these issues. The calls address whatever callers ask about, not topics that are screened or edited.

He has done the call-in segment called 'Brunch with Bernie' for 8 years or more. He is an open book with an unwavering commitment to honesty and fairness to all. I have heard him speak out about how wrong it is for people to profit from the prison industry a number of times years before the campaign season.

[polly7]

113. +1000. nt.

[heaven05]

43. +10000

I do agree, totally with your assessment of ALL pols.

[giftedgirl77]

75. Thank you

[tularetom]

92. You know that's the first time I have seen that explanation of her love of war

"posturing to run with the big dogs". How else is a woman going get respect from all these mega macho dudes? That's exactly what it is. The problem is she simply isn't very adept at it and her attempts look contrived and make her seem "a little cray".

[giftedgirl77]

96. I was in the Army the good ol boys club

is alive and well.

[tularetom]

97. I was in it too but I was one of the good ol boys

There were very few women in the combat engineers back in 1960. I doubt that there were any actually.

Ya know, you really ought to expand on your hypothesis. I think the explanation for a lot of her behavior can be traced back to her perceived need to appear tougher than the boys.

[giftedgirl77]

99. Ok, I'll work on it.

Actually put some thought into it.

[EdwardBernays]

11. Ah yes more Clinton dishonesty

I love TPP... Until it's unpopular... Now I hate it.

I was central in the Libyan campaign... Until it's unpopular... Then it was the President's idea.

Bottom line: my supporters will believe anything I say, so why NOT lie?

[pdsimdars]

18. She is Trump to her "believers"

They implicitly believe whatever she tells them. Very sad.

[EdwardBernays]

20. 100%

and their dishonesty with themselves is driving America off of a cliff.

[Broward]

29. The human mind is a strange thing.

[Vattel]

12. I wish the average democratic voter was aware of just how bad she has been on foreign policy.

[rjsquirrel]

13. Yes bcause

She personally did that. She called up ISIS and asked them where they'd like to put the in ground pool.

I forgot the list of Bernie's foreign policy accomplishments.

[greymouse]

53. rjsquirrel

What do you think happens when you take out the central government of a country surrounded by ISIS? Hillary is just plain stupid.

Bernie is not stupid. He did not swallow the Iraq war crap either, like Hillary did.

By the way, I have asked several times for Hillary supporters to name one thing she has accomplished as a political person. All I ever hear back is crickets.

[rjsquirrel]

54. Yes I'm just so naive

He never had to sea with the actual messy conduct of foreign policy beyond casting symbolic votes.

I supported Obama because HRC voted for Iraq. Fair comparison. We have no idea how Bernie would do on the world stage. All Secretaries of State have failures.

[greymouse]

55. symbolic votes?

I guess you were watching the Today Show or something and missed the blowback anyone got who voted against the Iraq war.

Unlike Hillary and you, lots of us knew it was a giant mistake.

I'm sure the Senate will be interested to know it is just a symbolic body.

I am still waiting to hear what Hillary has accomplished.

[VulgarPoet]

78. How many SecStates have 3 bungles and a secretive coup under their belt? nt

[BainsBane]

15. Oh, that NATO air campaign Sanders voted for?

Gotcha.

[jonestonesusa]

21. And the NATO vote has exactly what to do with Libya and Isis?

Nothing whatsoever.

Just like any politician, Clinton and Obama should be criticized for decisions that go south, for all of our sakes. We should do that as citizens and we should definitely pressure the press to quit playing favorites and cover the issues.

[BainsBane]

23. The vote in the US senate authorizing US involvement did.

[jonestonesusa]

32. I thought you were talking about Kosovo at first. My bad.

That's the usual deflection when Clinton's record regarding military intervention is brought up.

As was raised downthread, there was never a vote in the senate to authorize use of military force in Libya.

[EdwardBernays]

25. the vote that doesn't exist you mean?

Sanders never voted for a NATO air campaign in Libya, unless you mean a POSSIBLE no fly zone. Which you know.

Sanders voted for:

RESOLUTION

Strongly condemning the gross and systematic violations of human rights in Libya, including violent attacks on protesters demanding democratic reforms, and for other purposes.

Whereas Muammar Qadhafi and his regime have engaged in gross and systematic violations of human rights, including violent attacks on protesters demanding democratic reforms, that have killed thousands of people;

Whereas Muammar Qadhafi, his sons and supporters have instigated and authorized violent attacks on Libyan protesters using warplanes, helicopters, snipers and soldiers and continue to threaten the life and well-being of any person voicing opposition to the Qadhafi regime;

Whereas the United Nations Security Council and the international community have condemned the violence and use of force against civilians in Libya and on February 26, 2011, the United Nations Security Council unanimously agreed to refer the situation in Libya to the International Criminal Court; impose an arms embargo on the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including the provision of mercenary personnel; freeze the financial assets of Muammar Qadhafi and certain family members; and impose a travel ban on Qadhafi, certain family members and senior advisors;

Whereas Muammar Qadhafi has ruled Libya for more than 40 years by banning and brutally opposing any individual or group opposing the ideology of his 1969 revolution; criminalizing the peaceful exercise of expression and association; refusing to permit independent journalists' and lawyers' organizations; and engaging in torture and extrajudicial executions, including the 1,200 detainees killed in Abu Salim Prison in June 1996;

Whereas Libya took formal responsibility for the terrorist attack that brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 270 people, 189 of whom were U.S. citizens and high-ranking Libyan officials have indicated that Muammar Qadhafi personally ordered the attack; and

Whereas Libya was elected to the UN Human Rights Council on May 13, 2010 for a period of three years, sending a demoralizing message of indifference to the families of the victims of Pan Am flight 103 and Libyan citizens that have endured repression, arbitrary arrest, enforced disappearance or physical assault in their struggle to obtain basic human and civil rights.

Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the United States Senate--

(1) applauds the courage of the Libyan people in standing up against the brutal dictatorship of Muammar Qadhafi and for demanding democratic reforms, transparent governance, and respect for basic human and civil rights;

(2) strongly condemns the gross and systematic violations of human rights in Libya, including violent attacks on protesters demanding democratic reforms;

(3) calls on Muammar Qadhafi to desist from further violence, recognize the Libyan people's demand for democratic change, resign his position and permit a peaceful transition to democracy governed by respect for human and civil rights and the right of the people to choose their government in free and fair elections;

(4) calls on the Qadhafi regime to immediately release persons that have been arbitrarily detained; to cease the intimidation, harassment and detention of peaceful protestors, human rights defenders and journalists; to ensure civilian safety; and to guarantee access to human rights and humanitarian organizations;

(5) welcomes the unanimous vote of the United Nations Security Council on resolution 1970 referring the situation in Libya to the International Criminal Court; imposing an arms embargo on the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya; freezing the assets of Qadhafi and family members; and banning international travel by Qadhafi, members of his family, and senior advisors;

(6) urges the Qadhafi regime to abide by UN Security Council Resolution 1970 and ensure the safety of foreign nationals and their assets, and to facilitate the departure of those wishing to leave the country as well as the safe passage of humanitarian and medical supplies, humanitarian agencies and workers, into Libya in order to assist the Libyan people;

(7) urges the United Nations Security Council to take such further action as may be necessary to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory;

(8) welcomes the African Union's condemnation of the "disproportionate use of force in Libya" and urges the Union to take action to address the human rights crisis in Libya and to ensure that member states, particularly those bordering Libya, are in full compliance with the arms embargo imposed by United Nations Security Council resolution 1970, including the ban on the provision of armed mercenary personnel;

(9) welcomes the decision of the United Nations Human Rights Council to recommend Libya's suspension from the Council and urges the United Nations General Assembly to vote to suspend Libya's rights of membership in the Council; and

(10) welcomes the attendance of Secretary of State Clinton at the United Nations Human Rights Council meeting in Geneva and 1) urges the Council's assumption of a country mandate for Libya that employs a Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in Libya and 2) urges the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations to advocate for improving United Nations Human Rights Council membership criteria at the next United Nations General Assembly in New York City to exclude gross and systematic violators of human rights.

(11) Welcomes the outreach that has begun by the United States government to Libyan opposition figures and supports an orderly, irreversible and transition to a legitimate democratic government in Libya.

But look, we expect dishonesty from Clintonites... so no big surprise here.

[heaven05]

47. how nauseating

All of these words and murder, war and more displaced persons(war refugees) since the end of WWII is the only outcome. It seems this has been the human condition since the alleged murder of Abel by his brother except now it's helped along by Secretary's of State and U.N. resolutions with a lot of important sounding words that lead to grief for hundreds of thousands of innocents. These people ' in charge' and making decisions worldwide JUST DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT US.

[leveymg]

49. No-fly zone quickly morphed into a NATO bombing campaign and US covert regime change operations

That was not authorized by either the Senate resolution or the UN.

[karynnj]

57. exactly and I think it caught many of us by surprise

Everything was "we need to prevent an imminent holocaust" at the time of that resolution. The main question was whether we could effectively create a no fly zone without getting into a full fledged war. We could and actually did .... then moved into essentially becoming the air force for the rebels.

I watched the SFRC hearings before anything started. There was debate against it, but it was whether there was a national interest in what was spoken of. It was years ago,, but I do not remember regime change being brought up.

[leveymg]

60. When the convoy was destroyed, its was presented at the time as a "Mission Accomplished"

But, the airstrikes simply continued, and went on until Ghadafi was killed along with the remaining tribesmen left in Sirte. And, we went into this to prevent holocaust and genocide?

This was the outcome we were never told about when this started, and which most of us have chosen to ignore:

[karynnj]

64. it was pretty shocking and happened so fast

I remember questions being asked here, with no answers expected. There were also some who were wary from the start.

At the start, the idea that we should prevent genocide and had gone to the UN sounded like we were doing something that was designed to prevent a catastrophic event.

Oddly, it helps me understand the negative response by some to the US/Russian removal of tons of chemical weapons. Given that it was supposed to be a response to the use of CW, it was absolutely on target. However, I have read hundreds of comments for the last several years that Obama caved on the red line. Obviously, the same people wanted Obama to respond as happened in Libya. They now lead in claiming that Obama did not do enough for the rebels in Syria.

[leveymg]

51. No-fly zone quickly morphed into a NATO bombing campaign and US covert regime change operations

That was not authorized by either the Senate resolution or the UN resolutions 1970 and 1973. The use of force was instead read into it by HRC and her advisors, such as Louis Slaughter, based upon vague principles of Duty to Protect against genocide that did not really fit the facts on the ground in Libya, according to contemporary Pentagon assessments. Libya was indeed Madam Secretary's operation. Clinton owns it and what has followed, including the space occupied by ISIS and the flow of Jihadists and arms to Syria.

[stonecutter357]

17. lol

[Skwmom]

19. It's the NY Rag. The political spin for Libya has begun.n/t

[woolldog]

22. I seem to remember most of DU being in favor

of intervention in Libya. I remember because I was one of the few on here who was completely against getting involved in that humanitarian war.

[Fast Walker 52]

36. I was certainly against it... but there were quite a few very vocal supporters of intervention here

Some who put up really long posts of updates on the conflict... it was kind of odd, if not fishy, how vehement they were about the official story and that we needed to intervene.

[mainer]

61. I was against it too. I'd actually been IN Libya.

I'd visited the country, spoken to Libyans, and I predicted the chaos if Gaddafi were to fall. One pro-war DUer told me I was "dead to her" and blocked me because she didn't want to hear my opinion.

[VulgarPoet]

80. They're all for it until they meet someone who actually has skin in it.

And then they want to forget about the blood that would be on their hands.

[Onlooker]

24. Hillary should have stood against the Arab Spring or sent the troops into Libya? n/t

[Trust Buster]

45. Really ? Stand against the wishes of the people a half a world away ?

Why do Americans think they have the right to control the world's people ?

[VulgarPoet]

81. "Something something American Exceptionalism." nt

[Vinca]

26. Better late than never I guess.

It might have been nice if they covered things like this before votes started piling up.

[George II]

30. Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President.

[jonestonesusa]

34. In other words, why worry about the issues when your horse is ahead in the race???

Or put it this way, let's continue to pour hundreds of billions annually down the sinkhole known as the military industrial complex, while pursuing policies that lead to costly blowback. Whether Clinton wins or not, we all own the results of the historic foreign policy blunders in the middle east that accelerated under GWB, with the added help of Clinton's IWR vote and her influences as a hawkish member of Obama's administration.

But hey, maybe she'll win. The good news is she'll have plenty of Republican support for passing those defense budget bills, right?

[Fast Walker 52]

38. apparently, yes

I am always shocked about how casually Hillary supporters wave away her militarism and warmongering-- which is really the most disturbing thing about her for me.

[jonestonesusa]

65. I hear you.

Confronted by facts or an actual discussions of HRC policies, lots of her supporters run for the hills or make excuses.

[malletgirl02]

67. Hillary supporters laugh about Hilary's Militarism.

In the other OP about Hillary Clinton's involvement in Libya I saw Hillary Clinton supporters post laughing smilies, and this post I saw one post one Hillary supporter laughing it off, it is sicking. It is unbelievable to see people laughing off death and destruction, but I have to believe it because someone actually posted it.

[greymouse]

74. like leader like follower

Hillary laughs at people dying, why shouldn't her followers.

However, if she does win the nomination, it will be Mondale all over again. Add up the Republicans, Independents, and Progressives who despise her, she'll be lucky to carry a handful of states. Already the polls about the general election show that.

[Fast Walker 52]

114. yeah, I don't get it. I thought Dems are the good guys.

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/28/the_case_against_hillary_clinton_this_is_the_disaster_democrats_must_avoid/

[GoneFishin]

59. we get it. Some of you have bet on a particular football team and you want it to win for a reason

only known to you. Good for you.

Some of us actually care about what happens after the election. She's done enough damage already without being in the WH.

[noiretextatique]

66. And it is clear that what she actually stands for

Doesn't matter one bit to you. You are not alone, unfortunately.

[sarge43]

35. "....this was the president's decision ..."

I was just following orders. Yeah, that works.

[VulgarPoet]

82. "Befehl ist befehl" didn't work at Nuremburg. nt

[sarge43]

87. Taking responsibility. That's works, too.

I'm being sarcastic, VP.

[VulgarPoet]

90. Oh no no no that wasn't aimed at you-- I realized your sarcasm

just pointing out for the slower studies.

[sarge43]

93. 10% never attend the briefings.

[VulgarPoet]

95. Sometimes I'd kill to be part of that ten percent.

Long winded officers, am I right?

[sarge43]

110. Commander's Call. Chance to catch up on some sleep.

Could be mildly entertaining when they couldn't figure out why the projector didn't work. Voice from the crowd, "Is it plugged in?"

Do they still have those or did they come up with another name?

[VulgarPoet]

111. Nah, they're still Commander's Calls.

Except with where I work, sometimes we have Director's Calls too-- say goodbye to an entire half of a work day.

[sarge43]

112. Good to know that grand old traditions are still honored

Like annoying the worker bees

[Fast Walker 52]

39. let's not forget the awful mess in Syria is due to a significant to her support of the CIA-led plan

for regime change.

[treestar]

40. Yeah right wing would say that

I see someone needs to update this:

[IMG][/IMG]

[krawhitham]

41. I thought this was common knowledge

[malletgirl02]

68. Not in the mainstream media

It may have been common knowledge to you if you follow alternative media sources, but it isn't for people who rely on the mainstream media. Previously the only places I saw mention of Hillary Clinton's involvement in Libya were places such as Antiwar.com, Counterpunch, and Common Dreams.

[kgnu_fan]

42. Kick

[Trust Buster]

44. President Obama is the Commander in Chief

He is responsible for all U.S. military action. He chose a limited role in Libya to stop the onslaught of death that their now deceased leader was waging on it's citizens. How sad. When the Iraq War is spoken of on the Left, it's framed as Bush's war. Not Powell's war. This is nothing but a Republican talking point IMO.

[brentspeak]

72. Is this a "Republican talking point"?

Her (HRC's) conviction would be critical in persuading Mr. Obama to join allies in bombing Colonel Qaddafi’s forces. In fact, Mr. Obama’s defense secretary, Robert M. Gates, would later say that in a “51-49” decision, it was Mrs. Clinton’s support that put the ambivalent president over the line.

[Trust Buster]

73. Are those your words ? If not, whose words are they ?

[malletgirl02]

88. Those words are from the NY Times

Those words are from the NY Times article linked in the original post.

[Trust Buster]

98. The following is also from the article. Would you have ignored your allies and watch the slaughter

happen ?

In the throes of the Arab Spring, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi was facing a furious revolt by Libyans determined to end his quixotic 42-year rule. The dictator’s forces were approaching Benghazi, the crucible of the rebellion, and threatening a blood bath. France and Britain were urging the United States to join them in a military campaign to halt Colonel Qaddafi’s troops, and now the Arab League, too, was calling for action.

[malletgirl02]

100. You need to read the whole article

The way it turned out with our so called allies trying the deny their responsibility for the whole clusterfuck, and making it seem like it was all the fault of the U.S. maybe they should have been ignored.

[jeff47]

89. So you decided to attack an article without bothering to read it?

'Cause if you had, you'd know whose words they were.

[Trust Buster]

101. I re-read my posts and confirmed that I DID NOT attack the veracity of the article proper.

[jeff47]

102. Ok, now re-read my post and this time pay attention to what it said. (nt)

[Trust Buster]

103. As I said, I did not challenge the article in any of my posts. I offered my opinion on Libya.

That's all.

[jeff47]

104. My post is not that long. You really should not be having trouble reading it.

You asked where the quote was from. This is a post about an article.......golly, I wonder if the quote is in the article???

NAAAAAAHHH.

You then go on to say the quote is a right-wing talking point....and now are claiming to not be attacking the article that includes it.

[Trust Buster]

106. Re-read the OP title. It is a Right wing talking point that has nothing to do with the article.

I sincerely hope you can recover from this inconvenience.

[jeff47]

107. Actually, the article specifically details how Libya became an ISIS haven.

Perhaps you should actually read the article instead of continuing to attack it while not knowing what it contains?

[polly7]

115. Most of the IS recruits have come from Libya. nt.

[pangaia]

52. This woman just has no shame.

[amborin]

58. K&R sorry, did not see that you had already posted. this is such an important issue;

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

69. She's mastered the art of CYA. When asked, point to somebody else to take the blame.

[FangedNoumenom]

70. When is the media going to start talking about Hillary creating a fascist haven in Honduras?

All those children fleeing Honduras for America, whom she turns away to "send a message"? They're fleeing because of the coup her state department aided. And no one wants to talk about it. Absolutely no one. Sickening.

[jeff47]

91. Never.

It doesn't fit the story they want to tell, so it will not be reported.

[MisterP]

105. *narco* fascist haven run by the same guys collected into a new camarilla by a murderous

generalissimo who was in The Family


he dead now

[thereismore]

76. First she pressures the President to do it then says it was him! He did it! She is toxic. nt

[noretreatnosurrender]

77. Threw Obama Under The Bus

“At the end of the day, this was the president’s decision,” she told a House committee in October."

Who me? Not me it was Obama.

[malletgirl02]

84. Under the bus?

It is worst than that, more like she threw him under the train.

[amborin]

86. yes, and

yes, she deceitfully tried to blame Obama for her terrible judgement and decision to bomb Libya. So many wise people were warning against this, including Gates, Biden, etc. She did the same thing in Syria; it was and is her decision to arm "friendly" rebels, who use the arms and training against us. More regime change from the Kissinger crowd.

[malletgirl02]

94. Hillary Clinton touts her experience, yet

she runs away from the responsibility of the consequences of those decisions. I can't get behind a leader who won't take responsibility for her decisions.

[AzDar]

108. Ayup.

[asuhornets]

117. there

are some trolls in this house.

[kgnu_fan]

118. kick again