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Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 08:22 AM Feb 2016

Hillary won a great victory in SC

Both she and her supporters have good reasons to feel proud. Hillary earned that victory in a way that Bernie supporters should respect. She was embraced by a strong majority of the electorate she was competing for. It was a powerful pro Hillary Clinton statement, not a reluctant lesser evil driven defensive vote that brought her victory in South Carolina, among African America voters in particular. She has real and deep support within that community. Any attempt to say that black voters in South Carolina, or elsewhere, are somehow just voting reflexively for a brand name without feeling genuine warmth toward Hillary as a woman who they are familiar with and inherently trust is not only foolish, it is insulting to those voters.

It was a positive embrace of Hillary Clinton, not a rejection of Bernie Sanders, that drove results in South Carolina in the 2016 primary. It was a positive embrace of Barack Obama, not a rejection of Hillary Clinton, that drove results in South Carolina in the 2008 primary. Hillary started out that election cycle with strong Black support in the South and elsewhere, but African American voters ultimately decided, in overwhelming numbers, that they had a better 2008 choice in Barack Obama and they took it. Running against virtually any other white politician I can think of, and a good number of black ones, I believe that Bernie Sanders would have fared far better among African American voters than he did. But he ran against Hillary Clinton, and it's not campaign rhetoric to say that she has strong ties to the Black community in America, it is simple truth. That should not be minimized. A great number of Black leaders, both at the local and national levels, know Hillary Clinton personally and respect her greatly. You don't simply inherit that type of respect. In any of a number of ways you must earn it over time.

Hillary Clinton does not have a perfect record in regards to minority communities. There are numerous well placed voices of people of color speaking with authority and authenticity who challenge Hillary on one or more fronts. Some of them embraced Bernie Sanders instead of her. But the vast majority of blacks strongly believe, in the bigger picture, that when lines are drawn Hillary Clinton is on their side. That doesn't mean however that they have concluded that Bernie Sanders isn't.

So yes, there is a stark and impossible to ignore difference in the extent that Hillary Clinton is actively supported by people of color, particularly by African Americans, than she is by whites relative to Bernie Sanders. There is also a stark and impossible to ignore difference in the extent that Bernie Sanders is actively supported by younger voters than he is by older Americans, relative to Hillary Clinton. Both African Americans and the Young are key components of the larger Democratic coalition that enabled Barack Obama to be elected President. The support of both will be essential to a Democrat defeating whoever the Republicans nominate, most likely Donald Trump, in November.

I still strongly support Bernie Sanders for President, for many substantive reasons that I've written about elsewhere. But one of the many things that I respect greatly about him is how he relates to an establishment figure like Hillary Clinton. He doesn't oversimplify things into cartoon heroes and villains. Bernie is attacking a systematic cancer in our body politic, not all of those individually who now make it up. Sanders supporters like myself honor his honesty and authenticity, so I do not doubt it for a second when Bernie says that he has known Hillary Clinton for many years, and that he both likes and respects her. I think African Americans by and large say the same.

I am confident that if Bernie Sanders manage to stay in the game through Super Tuesday, and then starts to turn the tide around after the bulk of primary contests leaves the deep South, that he will ultimately win the strong support of black voters should he become the Democratic nominee. I would like to believe the same about younger voters and Hillary Clinton should she become our nominee, though I am not quite as confident of that. But I know that she will try hard to earn their support if she does. If Hillary wins our nomination, I will do what I can to help her.

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Hillary won a great victory in SC (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 OP
Thank you. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #1
Thanks DSB. The feeling's mutual n/t Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #6
I don't write as well as you and it's frustrating to me... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #7
When I write press releases for a concert series I help produce Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #8
Excellent post auntpurl Feb 2016 #2
You wrote... Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #5
Thank you for being more gracious than I. Barack_America Feb 2016 #3
Very, very good OP. Thank you for your "fair and balanced" expression of views. Surya Gayatri Feb 2016 #4

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
1. Thank you.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:27 AM
Feb 2016

While I agree in part and disagree in part with what you wrote I can say without reservation you write from the heart and you write very well.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
7. I don't write as well as you and it's frustrating to me...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:57 PM
Feb 2016

I went far in education but I regret blowing off English classes. There are times when I wonder if a comma is appropriate, if a semi-colin is appropriate, et cetera. At time I try to write sentences that don't require commas or semi-colins to avoid those dilemmas.


But I do know to double check the DU spell check...It can make one's writing illegible.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
8. When I write press releases for a concert series I help produce
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:48 PM
Feb 2016

My partner always copy edits me. She is much more strict than I about when and where to use commas and colons etc. and she almost always is right. Sometimes I take a stand on the principle of creative license, but usually I welcome her trouble shooting for me. You can get away with a lot of technical mistakes blogging on the internet but when she's involved with the product she insists on a professional standard. I might also if that came more naturally to me but it doesn't, so I wing it and usually get away with it without embarrassing myself too much

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
2. Excellent post
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:35 AM
Feb 2016

As a Hillary supporter, I feel exactly the same way about Bernie. He has earned my vote if he is the Dem nominee. I have reservations, but I will happily vote for him.

More than even Hillary or Bernie, I support the idea of the Democratic electoral process. I am particularly in favour of oft-marginalised groups having a big voice on the national stage - which is exactly what happened in South Carolina.

I am also in favour of letting the primary process play out until it is a mathematical inevitability for one candidate or the other. That way, as many people as possible can be involved in the process and feel a part of something important.

Black supporters of Hillary Clinton were heard loud and clear yesterday. They had their say and their votes were not only counted, but held up in the national media, discussed, and analysed. I don't see how any Democrat can think this is a bad thing.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
5. You wrote...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:28 PM
Feb 2016

"I am particularly in favor of oft-marginalised groups having a big voice on the national stage - which is exactly what happened in South Carolina."

I agree with you, and when anyone wins a race by as large a margin as Hillary did last night, no matter where it is or who voted, there is a message there that must be taken seriously. On the other hand it is also important to allow people in other parts of the country, who may have differing perspectives, a chance to be heard as well. No one region nor any voting block should dominate the result of a national election campaign due to the sequence in which they were able to vote.

I appreciate your post, and thank you for your compliment.

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