CNN: Hillary wins every county in SC.

[DCBob]

Massive epic blowout win!!

[BillyDawg]

1. Yeah

[JDPriestly]

44. And it is totally irrelevant to the November result.

Look at these maps.

S. Carolina has not voted Democratic since 1976.

http://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/

Here is Wikipedia's list of results of presidential elections:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_election_results_by_state

Winning in South Carolina means you appeal to people who are and will remain a minority in their state -- conservative Democrats.

We shall see how Hillary does on the West Coast. We vote reliably Democrdeleatic and have a huge number of delegates to the electoral college.

South Carolina???????

If we decide what candidate to run based on the primary results in conservative states like South Carolina, Wyoming and Alabama, we will never get working people in swing states like Ohio and Florida to support us.

Hillary is a conservative. I will vote for all the liberal Democrats on my ballot, but never, ever for Hillary. She is not what our country needs. She will drive American families further into debt. She will support trade agreements and tax deals that harm our country.

She will not admit her support for trade deals and H1-B visas and other policies detrimental to American working people while she is running, but if she gets in office, her policies will hurt America and Americans. We know that because we see what Bill Clinton's policies did to America. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible.

[JDPriestly]

63. Democrats who a) don't have the organizational and persuasive ability to turn their own

state blue and, b) who vote conservative and are willing to live in an ultra-conservative state.

I don't know whether I really want a president who appeals to South Carolinians. I know that sounds harsh, but let's take the issue of climate change.

Here in California, we are in the midst of a terrible drought. It is ongoing. It may be in part due to just historically insignificant climate patterns. But we are on the edge of the ocean, and there is no question that the coral reefs are dying and the oceans are warming so that the life within them is also dying.

Conservatives, and I bet this includes a large number of Democrats in South Carolina, could care less. Until Mother Nature bites off a bit of the coast or floods them very dangerously inland, they will do nothing about climate change.

Thanks to the fact that Hillary takes big money from the proponents of fracking and natural gas and others like Warren Buffet whose policies lean toward fossil fuels and other environmentally harmful practices, she will do less than is necessary, far less than needed, to remedy climate change.

We just cannot afford a Hillary presidency. South Carolinians may be proud of their vote for conservative policies, for climate destruction, for increasing economic inequality, for lots of money for war and very little for education, for thousands of people without healthcare, but I will not vote for Hillary because her policies will make all these problems worse.

I feel very deeply about this. It is not just politics for me. It is a moral issue. It is about the kind of world I will leave my children and grandchildren.

My son-in-law had a heart-to-heart with his five-year-old son this morning about Donald Trump. We are a racially mixed family, so Donald Trump poses a threat to us. (He need not show his face in California. Let me tell you that.) My grandson answered "I'm going to vote for Bernie Sanders." My son-in-law asked him, "Where did you hear about Sanders?" "Grandma told me," he said.

I did not tell my grandson about Bernie Sanders. But he has picked up on my discussions with my children.

As I said, I am 72, and Bernie is offering America a once-in-a-lifetime chance to really change our political equation. Never in my lifetime have we had the good fortune to see a candidate who is so strong and so right on the issues from campaign finance to immigration to regulating Wall Street to women's rights to racial equality.

You name the issue. Bernie's position is far superior to Hillary's.

Feel the Bern!

[kjones]

79. I know, how dare those people live in a state that isn't homogenous...

You know, those good states, like VT and NH...

Maybe you're just privileged and can't comprehend that some people can't move, weren't
"fortunate" enough to live in a state that's in ideological lockstep with them, or simple don't
want to move from say...their home, family, friends, community, etc?

And Bernie sucks at guns...so there's an issue...



Anyway, guess you'll be adding a lot more states you don't care for after Super Tuesday...

[JDPriestly]

83. I live in California, a less homogeneous state does not exist.

Don't impute everything to racism.

Don't accuse people of racism when you know nothing about them.

I'm for Bernie and against Hillary because of their stances on the issues and because of their characters.

I'm with Bernie on the gun issue.

I do not believe that anyone should be held liable for an act that person did not commit or that store or company did not commit unless some fault can be proved. I'm with Bernie on guns. I'm with Bernie on education, on free tuition for state schools, on healthcare for all and the exit of for-profit insurance companies from Obamacare and on all of the other issues including breaking up big banks (too much risk in the hands of too few) and repairing our failing infrastructure on no to the TPP and on all the other issues.

I do not agree with Hillary's sold-out-to-the-1%ers-on-policy platform. I will not vote for her although I will vote for all the other Democrats on my ballot -- all really good people whom I know personally.

[kjones]

85. Hmm, I never mentioned race....but you sure did.

Jeez, we were talking about ideological leanings, and you have to jump to race?
Seriously...

/discussion

[JonLeibowitz]

88. What the fuck?

Nothing in either posts 44 or 63 mentions race, but is about political ideology and the issues. You were the first to race bait with your mocking of the homogeneity of VT and NH.

Then when JD calls you out on that, you try to say that she brought up race? Fuck that noise.

[kjones]

90. Do you know what homogeneous means? I'm sorry, but no, it doesn't always mean race.

NH/VT - The Democrats that make up their primaries are ideologically homogenous
relative to SC, where the Dem voting block includes larger percentages of moderate
Dems.

I did not bring up race, JD jumped to conclusions, and you jumped to his rescue.
JD brought it up, you bought it...an now you own it too. So maybe you can tell
me, why are you two bringing up race and then erroneously complaining about
people bringing up race when, clearly, the discussion was about ideology?

[JonLeibowitz]

92. Nope, done with you. Welcome to full ignore.

[kjones]

96. ...

[JDPriestly]

100. What then did you mean by homogeneous?

No state is homogeneous when it comes to ideological leanings although California tends to be quite liberal.

[senseandsensibility]

87. Thanks for your post.

[stonecutter357]

57. sorry your man lost.

[NanceGreggs]

114. So what are you suggesting?

"If we decide what candidate to run based on the primary results in conservative states like South Carolina, Wyoming and Alabama ..."

Are you suggesting that Democrats in certain states should not be allowed to participate in primaries?

i]"... we will never get working people in swing states like Ohio and Florida to support us."

Are you suggesting that Democrats in Ohio and Florida won't support the party if people in conservative states are allowed to participate?

[PeaceNikki]

2. Wow!! Historic night!

[elmac]

77. Very low tunout

Half what the fascists got.

[LexVegas]

3. Historic beatdown. nt

[DrDan]

4. in-pressive

[ismnotwasm]

5. This is an exciting time

[DCBob]

7. Love that animation!

[boston bean]

6. wow.. I'm smiling!

[DCBob]

9. Me too....

Its a great night for the Hillary team.

[PowerToThePeople]

8. SC

http://www.270towin.com/states/South_Carolina

South Carolina was one of only six states to vote for Barry Goldwater in 1964 and has voted Republican since, except in 1976 when it voted for fellow southerner Jimmy Carter. In 2012, Mitt Romney defeated Barack Obama 55% to 44%.

So they backed their fellow Goldwater girl. No surprise there.

[DCBob]

10. Good grief.. this has nothing to with Barry Goldwater.

What utter nonsense.

[DURHAM D]

11. unbelievable

[chillfactor]

12. what a nonsensical post....

Goldwater has nothing to do with Hillary's historic victory.

[tammywammy]

16. What a pathetic post.

[musicblind]

17. WTF?

That came off as desperate.

[MrWendel]

21. awwwwwwwwwwww.....

I guess they all have this in South Carolina...



"When you're not interested in feeling the bern"

[PowerToThePeople]

22. That is good

[book_worm]

33. This is the dumbest argument that BS supporters make...

Either because they don't understand history or whatever. But 65% of those who voted in the SC primary are black. They are an important part of the Democratic base and they picked HRC overwhelmingly. Do you think that they or their parents and grandparents were part of the Goldwater coalition of 1964? Start thinking.

[NBachers]

43. Best laugh I've had today

Twist, tie, bend, contort, distort

[Lil Missy]

55. Awwww, are we having some sour grapes? Waaaaaaaaaa!

[Beacool]

65. Seriously???????

[El Supremo]

13. "Let's make America whole again!"

[noamnety]

34. Do you think this thread is a good step in that direction? (nt)

[desmiller]

54. I wonder myself

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. bernie only broke 40% in 1 (ONE!!!) South Carolina County

He failed to break 20% in a good number, and even failed to break 10% of the vote in two counties!

It was as complete a wipe out as has been seen in some time. Who would have dreamed of a 47% spread state-wide even this morning. It is a catastrophe for the Sanders team.

[Number23]

25. Sanders has not won the minority vote in any of the primaries that have occurred so far

Not one. Clinton even won the majority of the black vote in NH.

[giftedgirl77]

27. It's not a coincidence that he's courting the independent & republicans as well.

[Number23]

28. Nope. Those groups gave him a big victory in New Hampshire.

[mgmaggiemg]

42. yes he will

pick up some pro gun libertarians who don't like how the GOP have gone all to hell....mostly white guys

[giftedgirl77]

45. That's the trend.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1357010

[mgmaggiemg]

47. it's great

takes votes away from the GOP

[Loudestlib]

64. He won the Latino vote in Nevada. n/t

[Number23]

67. No, he really didn't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/upshot/why-clinton-not-sanders-probably-won-the-hispanic-vote-in-nevada.html?_r=1

[Loudestlib]

80. .

"Young voters were the difference: Sanders won 68% to 28% lead among minorities under 45 years old, showing that he resonates with millennials in Nevada, regardless of race, just as much as he did in New Hampshire and Iowa."

http://qz.com/621302/sanders-may-have-lost-nevada-but-he-won-over-the-crucial-hispanic-vote/

Believe what you want. n/t

[Number23]

101. He may have won that age group but he lost overall among minorities.

Edit: And considering my article came out two days later than yours, it's safe to say that my link may have had more updated and thus correct information.

[MADem]

113. If he won the Latino vote in NV, he would have won the caucus. But he didn't. nt

[MADem]

59. I wonder how much his campaign has had to pay for all those surrogates stomping around with

him. Hotels, travel and per diem for Belafonte, Killer Mike, Cornel West, etc....all that adds up. They're not doing this out of pocket. They didn't get much return on that SC investment.

[HERVEPA]

62. And that is the ugly I was talking about on the other thread.

[MADem]

73. EXPLAIN, please. You do know that campaigns cost money, do you not?

Do you seriously think those hotel rooms, meals, plane tickets, etc. were FREE? That they saw those guys coming and said "Oh, hey, dudes--you're COMPED?"

How do you think they got around? On a cloud of good feeling?

What's ugly about noting that he got damned little bang for his buck? And look at the results--that was a WASTE of cash. A total waste. And it's not "UGLY" to say so.

Here's what's UGLY, HERVEPA--you, taking a normal thing that anyone who has ever been associated with the financials of a campaign understands (the budget), and trying to make commenting about it "ugly."

The "ugly" you keep throwing at me? You're the one manufacturing it. And you should be ashamed of yourself.

[HERVEPA]

94. Since you either are tone deaf or are choosing to pretend you are, the "stomping around" ...

is what made it ugly. But, yeh, you knew that.
All this won't matter for me. I'll vote for her if she's the candidate.
But if you really care about her getting elected in the general, pissing off so many Bernie supporters is not the way to do that. But you knew that too and didn't care.

[MADem]

97. You're much too sensitive. And "stomping around" adequately

describes his tone-deaf efforts to connect in the state.

There's a good article posted in your Bernie Sanders group about why he failed to connect in SC. It describes the culture in the state quite aptly. It's not a place where you can bigfoot on in there and expect to become part of the scenery.

I suggest you read it if you're really interested in election post-mortems, as opposed to following me around calling me names--as you've been doing, repeatedly, in multiple threads and posts, all evening.

[HERVEPA]

98. Actually I was out for dinner and seeing a play this evening

I don't believe I'm in any groups.

[MADem]

99. Short play. nt

[HERVEPA]

102. Nope. With dinner, I was out from about 4:45 until about 10:30 or so.

I think you're imagining things.

[MADem]

105. Well, maybe it's just that all of your posts slamming me with "ugly" have come to my attention at

the same time.

[HERVEPA]

106. Yeh, that must be it.

[BernieforPres2016]

78. All that costs less

than Hillary collects in an hour as a bribe from Goldman Sachs

[MADem]

86. Well, thanks so much for hoisting those true colors so we all can see them!

[HERVEPA]

91. As in making a point?

[MADem]

95. Nice to see you ... again.

[MADem]

103. He blew a small fortune in SC, I think. I'll be interested in seeing what he spent there.

:large

HRC is known in the state; has been for decades. She didn't have to do a lot of outreach, she was already a friend.

[Lucinda]

110. I read earlier that he'd invensted a lot, of both money and manpower, but I had no idea

they had that many offices and staffers. Ouch.

[MADem]

112. And he was traveling with three guys who aren't your average "Motel 6" dwellers, either.

I'm guessing that West, Belafonte and Killer expected a certain standard of accommodation that included a higher thread count than you'd see at an economy motel. That housing/meals expenditures can get pricey, too.

[sheshe2]

15. I am so excited!

[DCBob]

18. Great!!!

Me too!! Its a big big day for Hillary and America!

[sheshe2]

20. Looking forward to Tuesday.

I vote!

[NBachers]

53. I don't care what they say about votes not counting- I feel good when I visit my local polling place

with all my neighbors and local residents.

I know you do too, Sheshe!

[MaggieD]

19. Maybe the biggest primary blowout in history

#notfeelingthebern

[TSIAS]

29. Reminds me of WV- 2008

When Clinton won by 40 + points even when it was clear she couldn't win.

But this was the year Clinton was all for the working class whites, gun owners, and had supporters who had just about enough of that whole Hussein thing.

[MaggieD]

35. Don't stop believin!

[Persondem]

23. Yes!!!!!!!!!! KICK IT!!! nt

[Number23]

24. That is a massive, spectacular ass whipping. Good googly moogly...

[JustAnotherGen]

116. What a thread to wake up to

I figured she would win - but by this much? If she's the nominee I may HAVE to volunteer to drive people to the polls again. The people who needed the most help in 2008 and 2012 (that we drove) fit this demographic. I'm putting in the time now. November in NJ can be a nice day or a rough weather day and I don't want to hear that a boomer woman in Newark with health issues physically couldn't get to the polls.

[Number23]

121. It's been a hell of a good time around here the last 24 hours

Reality is a cruel mistress. But she's mighty fun sometimes.

[bigtree]

26. k&r

[beaglelover]

30. K&R!!!!!!!

GO HILLARY!!!!!

[oasis]

31. Last minute negative swift boating backfires.

Let that be a lesson to Tad Devine, Weaver and Cornell West.

[DCBob]

36. Yep.. good point.

[riversedge]

38. It has been going on for over a week.

[oasis]

40. I'm not referring to the transcripts.

[MADem]

61. Yep--that was the cheapest shot of the campaign thus far. A real low blow. nt

[datguy_6]

32. Probably a reason they lost the Civil War...

[DCBob]

37. That's insulting comment to the good Democrats in SC.

[MADem]

69. Unnh, the ancestors of many of those SC Dem voters weren't doing ANY voting

during the Civil War.

You might want to re-calibrate your thought processes.

[Persondem]

72. An amazingly stupid comment.

[NurseJackie]

39. Wait, what, WHAT?

[mgmaggiemg]

41. wooohoooo!!! HRC 2016!

cheers, Maggie

[mcar]

48. Historic!

[sulphurdunn]

49. South Carolina,

being the kind of place it is, with the history it has, winning big there may not be something you want to brag about too much.

[DCBob]

51. So Democrats in SC are not as good as Democrats up north??

[yardwork]

56. Maybe you don't understand the way primaries work.

Democrats vote in the Democratic primary. Republicans have their own primary. They aren't invited to ours.

[MADem]

66. Are you serious? The SC primary is one primary where black people actually have a defined voice.

What could possibly be wrong or bad about that?

This isn't about "The Civil War." This is about a state with a large population of black DEMOCRATS. I think it's rather nice that the black citizens of South Carolina get to weigh in with their CHOICE and their PREFERENCE. And I think it's worth bragging about, myself.

They may not be able to tip the general election, but they shape it with their primary votes.

[Beacool]

68. There wouldn't be something to brag about if Hillary had won the votes of 85% whites.

Instead, she won 85% of AA votes. Notice the difference?

[ultragreen]

50. And Hillary will lose SC in the general election

by a landslide.

[DCBob]

52. So?

We dont need SC to win the general.

[desmiller]

58. So they vote status quo.

*smfh* Oh well.

[DCBob]

71. No they voted for the candidate they feel will best represent them and fight for their issues.

Why would they vote for somebody they hardly know?

[desmiller]

74. Tell that to Obama. He kicked her tail in 08.

[DCBob]

76. Different time different opponent.

[desmiller]

107. Same situation. They didn't knew him then.

But today, they voted status quo. Period. If that's what they want, then they can have it.

[DCBob]

117. Perhaps you are partially correct.

Many think President Obama has done a great job as President and do want to continue to build on the progress he has made during the past 7+ years. But for sure they want more than just status quo. I suspect very few are happy with how things are now.

[msanthrope]

60. On the ground in SC....Every. Fucking. County. Epic. nt

[MADem]

108. Boy, did MSNBC call THAT one wrong!!!

Check out this walk down memory lane (from just the other day) before they delete it in shame!!


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/warning-signs-hillary-clinton-south-carolina

Even before Sen. Bernie Sanders began surging in early state and national polls, the Hillary Clinton campaign viewed South Carolina as her firewall, mainly due to her much higher standing and name recognition with black voters. But there are signs that the Clinton team may be falling behind the Sanders campaign, both in terms of organizing on the ground and exciting black voters, even as former Secretary Clinton maintains a large lead in the polls and prognosticators like FiveThirtyEight.com give her overwhelming odds of winning the state’s primary in two weeks.


As of last week, the Clinton campaign had only two campaign offices in South Carolina: one in Charleston and another in the capital, Columbia, with just 14 full-time staffers including state director Clay Middleton. The campaign also has nine “get out the vote” sites – smaller-scale sites devoted to turnout – across the state.
The Sanders campaign, meanwhile, had 240 staffers on the ground as of last week – 80 percent of them African-American – spread across 10 offices statewide.

“That’s real infrastructure,” said one veteran South Carolina political consultant who was involved in the 2008 effort to elect Barack Obama and who spoke on background. “Donald Trump lost Iowa because his campaign didn’t have infrastructure and Ted Cruz did. That’s what gets people to the polls. And Hillary is the very person who should know about infrastructure, because that’s how she lost to Obama in 2008 in the first place.”

I wonder who that "veteran" consultant was? I wouldn't hire him on a bet! Talk about wrong, wrong, WRONG! And kinda smarmy and smug, too!


Doesn't sound like infrastructure to me....sounds more like flushing a shitload of money down the crapper...!!!!

[msanthrope]

115. Toe sucker was the consultant, I'm betting.....nt

[Trust Buster]

70. Hillary beat Bernie in the young African American demographic in SC.

She also beat him in the "most qualified" category as well as the "most electable" category. But here's the real news. Hillary beat Bernie in exit polls 51%-49% in trustworthiness.

[MADem]

75. You better listen to granny if you know what's good for you!!

Most kids know that granny is the wisest woman in the room, any day of the week!

[desmiller]

81. Enjoy your status quo, SC

[YOHABLO]

82. I can not understand how people in S.Carolina can be so naive. It's sad.

[DCBob]

118. They are not naive.. they simply prefer Hillary Clinton to be our nominee..

just as I do and millions of other good knowledgeable Democrats.

[ohheckyeah]

120. What's naive is,voting for someone delusional and Bernie is delusional. n/t

[senseandsensibility]

84. You must be sooooo proud!!!!!!!!!!!!

What an achievement, indeed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She won a red state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lucinda]

111. Awww

[UtahLib]

89. Happy to join this wonderful celebration!!! nt

[McCamy Taylor]

93. Hurray!

[basselope]

104. Turnout was rather sad.

If she can't motivate people in SC.. how is she going to do it in swing states?

[MADem]

109. No it wasn't--not as big as 08, but bigger than 04.It was more than the state Dems expected. nt

[basselope]

119. lol.

barely a fraction of 08... Very poor turnout in a state where Clinton SHOULD have seen much larger turnout.