2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumGive one reason to support who you're voting for
There may be other reasons as well but it might be neat if we gave just one.
So for example I might say...
Bernie, because everyone should be able to go to the doctor.
onecaliberal
(32,874 posts)He's the only honest politician alive.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
demwing
(16,916 posts)but probably good news for the planet
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I support Bernie because I am ashamed of my country for having the highest rate
of incarceration in the world, and he's committed to addressing institutional racism &
repairing our broken criminal justice.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)thanks
LuvLoogie
(7,016 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Not my choice but I respect you've got reasons
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Because of his stand on health care. (It was hard to settle on one thing.)
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Good reason
MisterP
(23,730 posts)you can't fight for XYZ yourself"
that's the gist of it, non-policy-wise
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)yep
demwing
(16,916 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I'm not sure if we can get money out of politics as long as we have so much extremes of inequality, but it's a great point.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks for sharing.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I know you're a Bernie supporter
FourScore
(9,704 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)The rest all goes back to this: he is about making things better for people.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Listening to the activists from BLM matters
Having foresight and objecting to the consequences of policies that negatively have afftected Black Lives Matters
Divesting from the PIC and investing in Black Lives Matters
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)The racism runs very very deep in America. Thanks.
femmedem
(8,203 posts)who need government to protect them from the ravages of unchecked capitalism.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)He's got the record you like.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)He didn't get rich off public service. It shows he wasn't on the take.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Bernie - Squeaky clean.
There is no peace without justice and there is no justice if you' re corrupt.
Bernie is one politician who is not corrupt.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I believe if the '07 immigration bill made it to her desk she would sign it and Sanders wouldn't. Upwards of fifteen million people would be citizens today, instead many are still living in the shadows as some of our countries most oppressed.
Sharing that tidbit as a much larger thought on why I'm supporting her.
Fun op and I like your reason. The simplicity of your statement resonates with everyone and I believe is why we have so much more support for UHC over the last decade or so.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)You like her better on immigration. Thanks for sharing.
Triana
(22,666 posts)If that's two, then integrity nicely embodies both.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Makes sense to me. Thanks!
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)!
NanceGreggs
(27,816 posts)... because she thinks dealing with international affairs requires more experience and expertise than having been the mayor of Burlington.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)casperthegm
(643 posts)Because he understands the importance of foresight when it comes international affairs, such as his vote against the war on Iraq and opposing an ill advised no-fly zone in Syria.
NanceGreggs
(27,816 posts)... having "dealt with all kinds of people" when he was the mayor of Burlington qualifies him to deal with world leaders and international crises?
That was his answer when the question was posed as to how he would deal with people like Putin. He doesn't seem to understand that dealing with the local zoning board in Vermont isn't quite the same thing as dealing with international matters on a global scale.
casperthegm
(643 posts)The little mayor from Burlington managed to foresee that going to war with Iraq would destabilize the region. His opponent, who has all this great experience? Not so much. But she does want to challenge Putin with a no-fly zone in Syria. What a wonderful idea. What could possibly go wrong? That's really putting to use all that great experience.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)He hasn't gotten rich off being in public service.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)This seems to be a huge theme.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I'm glad he's speaking about wealth and power the way he is.
olddots
(10,237 posts)education and entertainment .
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)and student loans.
I like Hillary because of what she said about helping spouses that lose their spouses SS. & helping students already saddled with student debt.
I know you said one thing but...I'm undecided so I said something about each.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Makes perfect sense when you put it like that.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)They're the same in a lot of ways, but in a few ways Bernie is way to the left. Either of our candidates can win. (I've heard the Bernie supporters say Hillary can't win, and I've heard the Hillary supporters say Bernie can't win, and I don't believe either of you. One or the other of them will be the next president. All the Republican candidates are horrible.)
We very likely won't have an opportunity to elect someone so liberal again. I think we should do it when we have the chance.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)If we can win we might as well pick the one we like most. Thanks.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Either Clinton or Sanders would be immeasurably better as president than any Republican. Neither will be able to deliver all that much, because of the Congress, but if elected either would make things a little better, rather than a lot worse.
I think that Clinton would be more likely than not to beat Trump, and would probably but by no means certainly lose to Cruz or Rubio.
I think that Sanders might possibly beat Trump, but would be stomped all over by any other Republican.
Why do I think that? All the obvious reasons you'll see cited again and again if you read political analysis from outside the echo chamber - vetting, the S-word, appeal outside the core vote, the failure of Goldwater and McGovern campaigns, funding, experience, realism, etc...
I'm not an American, but if I were, I'd unhesitatingly vote for Clinton.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)You're conclusions are sound based on your premises. Makes sense.
Thanks for sharing.
Gothmog
(145,375 posts)We can not give control of the SCOTUS to the GOP and we need to nominate someone who can win in the general
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)He's stood on the side of Democracy, Justice and Civil Rights for ALL since he was undergrad at UChicago.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Probably cocaine felony, too, but the judge and witness have died and all the records are lost. Well DU2 from 2005 still has some of the story:
Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.
(He would later steal an election and then lie America into war on a country that was no threat to the United States.)
Then there's Bernie Sanders, arrested for standing up for his fellow citizens.
Gee. So, which of those two would you rather elect as president?
Agathon, from Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)1. Perhaps my number one concern is the environment. I trust Sanders to make the right choices for environmental agency's leadership and environmental policy. I believe he will make a real effort to push alternative energy technology forward. Contrasted to Clinton who has advocated for fracking and who didn't oppose the Keystone Pipeline until this past September (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/22/politics/hillary-clinton-keystone-pipeline-history/).
2. Sanders is more restrained about resorting to military action. Clinton seems much more hawkish.
3. While Sanders might not be able to get all of his financial policies through congress, I am also thinking about what he WON'T do. What sort of legislation he would STOP, what sort of cabinet he'll put together. The fact that he's not beholden to financial special interests makes me trust his decisions better than Clinton's.
4. Again, while I acknowledge that Sanders might not be able to get all of his policies through congress, I would prefer a President who is at least trying to get progressive thing done. No candidate is going to get all their policies enacted and I especially disagree that Clinton would have any easier time with a Republican congress getting progressive legislation though. She might get Republican, pro-Wall Street legislation passed, but that's nothing I'd want to see happen.
5. I have many more reasons that I think Sanders is the better choice, including him addressing the US's crumbling infrastructure, free public university (which would merely put us on par with much of the 'developed' world), his healthcare proposal is the only thing that makes sense to me for a civilized country to have, etc.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks for sharing.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)I trust Sanders to do the progressive things he's campaigned on, or at least to fight for those things. I trust him to NOT make cabinet appointments that are counter those things. I trust him to veto things that are very detrimental to progressive values.
And in contrast, I don't trust Clinton on the same issues. She's changed too many of her positions at politically opportune times far too often and she has far too many ties to people who's interests are counter to progressive values.
That's really it in a nutshell for me.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #63)
BernieforPres2016 This message was self-deleted by its author.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Because "fuck this shit."
(Blatantly stolen because it is so good)
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Straight to the point
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)to go tho college without having to spend most of their lives paying back loans. My daughter is in the National Honor Society but we do not have the means to send her to college and I don't know if she will get a scholarship. Second, perhaps I could go into the hospital and have my Hydrocephalus thoroughly checked out to see if I can stop the headaches I've had since 2012. Then deal with my chronic spinal pain in some humane way. BTW I do have insurance but the bills from the past and the co pays have me just sitting around waiting, for what I don't know.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks for sharing UglyGreed
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)but as some here have told me I should be happy with the status quo and accept the no we can't attitude. Of course if they were in my position I bet they would call for change also. Thanks for the hug Cheese
renate
(13,776 posts)When he was protesting in his 20s he had no idea he'd be running for President half a century later; he did it because it was the right thing to do and he couldn't not do it. Character is what you do when nobody is looking, and for most of his life very few people have been looking--at least, few people have been looking at him relative to the number looking at most politicians.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)He's got a good moral compass.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,649 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thank you
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Unless we get the legalized bribery out of the political system, the upper 0.1% will still write and act as parasites on even well intentioned programs and limit their effectiveness. Under the current system, they are like the Mafia. You have to pay them for protection or they will burn down your restaurant.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Your idea is good
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks!
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)You're in a lot of good company it seems
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I also believe she is fundamentally progressive and well-intentioned, although she's made mistakes.
Also her toughness, electability, and the fact that I'd really like to see a female president.
I guess that's 5 reasons. Oh well, nothing is simple!
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I have a lot of respect for Hillary Clinton voters.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I agree!
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)thanks
Gothmog
(145,375 posts)The Clinton platform is one of the best set of proposals to protect the right to vote that I have seen and this is one of my passions. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/voting-rights/
Repairing the Voting Rights Act. Congress should move quickly to pass legislation that would fix the damage done to the Voting Rights Act by the Supreme Court and restore the full protections American voters need and deserve. These protections are crucial for young and minority voters, seniors, and other underrepresented groups disproportionately affected by harmful Republican efforts to restrict voting.
Setting a new national standard for early voting. Its time to set a standard across our country of at least 20 days of early in-person voting, including opportunities for evening and weekend voting. This will reduce long lines and give more people an opportunity to vote, especially those who have work or family obligations during the day. Early in-person voting isnt just convenientits also more secure, more reliable, and more affordable than absentee voting.
Implementing universal, automatic voter registration. Every citizen in every state should be automatically registered to vote when they turn 18, unless they choose to opt out. At the same time, we need to make sure that registration rolls are secure, up to date, and accurate. When you move, your registration should move with you. Modernizing registration will add tens of millions of voters to the rolls, cost less, and reduce the potential for errors or irregularities.
I love this video from Congressman John Lewis
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks for participating
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)I was first drawn to him because of his authenticity but he really won me over in the debate when asked what was the number one issue we face and he answered "climate change". That set him apart and above all the others in my opinion. I also think he is the most likely to win over independents and even some republicans and therefore is the most electable.
Uh-oh - I got started and couldn't stop at just one thing. Sorry!
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Huge issues. Thanks.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)She spoke about in her campaign launch speech, and she had a detailed plan on her website from day one.
She's committed to act on it on her first 100 days in office.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)You're not alone. Thanks for sharing one of your reasons.
Vinca
(50,288 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks
Euphoria
(448 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)We need change like now. Thank you.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Henry Kissinger on foreign policy.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Bernie would be different from any president we've ever had I think.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)casperthegm
(643 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)thanx
IdahoGoBlue
(15 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks for sharing
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)people who don't make Trump-level incomes, and who don't spew Trump-style bigotries from one end of the country to the other.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Because I am sick of corruption in politics.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I wish the whole country felt like we do. Good reason. Thanks.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)It's US versus THEM.
I stand with Bernie and his message.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)from a rigged system.
HDSam
(251 posts)firsthand the devastation in Iraq as well as other places over a long military career and am still dealing with a variety of issues related to it (if you can believe family and professionals). I was a true believer, confident our elected representatives had our best interests in mind, but I had no clue how wrong I was.
I will never vote for, never support, never give the time of day to or have the six for the likes of a Clinton or a republican. As far as I can tell, this is THE defining election for me in my lifetime, if we maintain the status quo by putting Clinton or a similar republican in office, the only thing we can be assured of is more of the same. That's not what I want to leave my daughter, and I don't want her to ever consider joining the military, or have to, to get an education because it's too expensive otherwise.
The funny thing is, I have far more confidence in Sanders, a bona-fide conscientious objector, than any other politician I have ever considered voting for.
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Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It's a good one.
I can't see the video on my mobile phone but I'll try to watch it later when I get back to the computer. I do trust Bernie most to respect the lives of our military because he sees things from the point of view of the common people.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)at the top.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It needs cleaned up.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Strengthening access for women to women's healthcare providers.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks for naming this issue.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)And, that reason has not disappeared ....
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)blm
(113,071 posts)Common Sense Sanders
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks
KansDem
(28,498 posts)...because the TPP will be the death of America.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)This is a great reason.
datguy_6
(176 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)And 1,000 other very good reasons.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Makes sense.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)I lived through the era of his horrendous war crimes, so it is just plain unforgivable.
But long before I learned that awful fact, I found that I agreed with virtually everything Bernie Sanders has to say--rigged economy, rigged political system, our MORAL duty to save our planet--and what he proposes to do--and his forgoing Superpacs and Corporate/Billionaire money is just AWESOME. I've dreamed of such a candidate for decades!
My support for Bernie is very positive. I think he'll make one of the greatest presidents of the United States we've ever had. Maybe the greatest, considering the stakes now with global warming.
I also happen to think that Clinton is one of the most corrupt Democrats we've ever seen. I wish she wasn't, so we could have a real discussion of people-oriented policy, but she is, so we can't have that discussion. I don't trust anything she says. It's Goldman Sachs speaking--lying.
Anyway, I gave up on her when she fucked over Honduras. And that's another matter on which I agree with Sanders: He has opposed U.S. "regime change" all his life, whether it's destroying elected officials in a country like Chile because they're leftists (Kissinger!!!) or overthrowing tyrants and not having a clue what to do next, thus the disastrous destabilization of the Middle East.
Why do you want just one thing? There are so many!
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Can't argue with that. He's got great moral instincts in my opinion too.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)because I trust he'll use the military ONLY, ONLY, ONLY as a very last resort.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)He's not corrupt with money
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Because he thinks of others before himself.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)He does seem to genuinely care about people.
redwitch
(14,945 posts)just to be different. I agree with everyone above in this thread.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Huge issue. Unfortunately it seems the fracking horse has left the barn about 4 years ago.
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)needs to be able to fix the problems we have left them with. To do this, they will need a good education.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)greyl
(22,990 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I'm with you on that.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....because I've spent years in Sweden and I know exactly what he is trying to achieve for Americans.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)and his lifelong solidarity with the 99%.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Reminds me of Obama's slogan.
Bernie's been a life long champ. Thanks.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,072 posts)Bernie's the oldest candidate for what's a physically draining job. After watching him at the last debate I don't think he's capable of lasting more than one term if elected. If he gets the nomination he better pick a highly qualified running mate.
Sanders has said that he and Hillary agree on more than they disagree. A chart was shown when were both in the Senate they voted the same way 93% of the time.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)and he can articulate a better argument for Democratic policies.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Hillary because she may get some progressive legislation through Congress.
I like both candidates and will vote in both the primary and the general election. My state's primary isn't until June & I don't plan to decide till then.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)dmosh42
(2,217 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)1. she's the most qualified and has the most experience.
2. she's the most electable in my opinion.