2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton staff won't allow press to shoot her boarding private jet...
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlbaMonica/status/703680268457025537Monica Alba? @AlbaMonica
Clinton staff won't allow press to shoot her boarding private jet. Instructed us to get on our separate plane before she got out of the car.
Feb 27, 2016, 12:37:04 PM
Good grief..SO weird. This ranks up with when her "staff" roped her off in that parade to keep any press away.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)jmowreader
(50,561 posts)It was shot at the 11-hour Benghazi Spanish Inquisition, where the GOP in Congress summoned Hillary to defend her handling of the Benghazi attack and she made them all look like fools.
Logical
(22,457 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)It was her trying to look "cool".
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)It was eczema. Come on, regular people have dandruff. Hillary has special dandruff.
jmowreader
(50,561 posts)It implies she can brush off Republicans without any trouble, which is true.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)In fact, without her corporatist/elitist baggage to carry, he can brush off more of it.
She can't beat them if she's losing to them now. There's nothing she can do to add to her popularity between now and November. There is nothing at all she could do or say between now and then to make anyone who doesn't currently support her decide to do so.
And if she gets indicted after being nominated, she's automatically doomed to defeat.
Tortmaster
(382 posts)... Senator Sanders. I bet Senator Sanders wishes he had many more supporters like you.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)a Selsun Blue commercial OR a Raid deodorant commercial.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)owned by Proctor & Gamble ,who have their own PAC, and gave 65% of it to repugs.
This needs to stop!
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)brush them away
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Like the Fonz...
Stop it, you guys are mellowing my harsh.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)Every time I see that gif, I read it as brushing the 99% off - and I keep wondering why a supporter has it in their sig!!!
xloadiex
(628 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)She will never let herself be filmed not being down to earth.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)Her highness can not tolerate such loathsome plebeians photographing her without her complete approval. All photographs must be when she deems them appropriate.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)In her lap and didn't want to be photographed that way. Such a silly post.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)must always be treated with the utmost deference by her subjects. Unfortunately for her, Hillary was not born royal, and seems to have forgotten where she came from.
TM99
(8,352 posts)I guess when she loses to Trump in the fall if Sanders doesn't pull this thing out.
vdogg
(1,384 posts)You expect the former SoS, and current presidential candidate, along with her full Secret Service detail, to fly coach? Let's get realistic here. That would be a logistical nightmare.
seaotter
(576 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... is she "pretending" that she does?
Do you really think people don't KNOW that she travels by private jet, and has for years?
Seriously?
CanadianComrade
(30 posts)If she considers this a conceded and known fact, why is she so worried about the optics? Why prevent the press from capturing it if she isn't trying to conceal it? Why can't she just let people see the truth instead of only what she wants people to see?
This isn't hard. People who "manage" their exposure this much sure seem suspiciously paranoid. I wonder why?
If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to hide. Put it all on the table.
She could start with a few speech transcripts.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Jesus Christ, maybe you can tell us what she's trying to hide. Maybe she spilled chocolate on her blouse or something but go ahead, since you seem to think she's hiding something, tell us what it is.
And after that, demand to know her tailor. And what kind of luggage she uses. And how much closet space she has.
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CanadianComrade
(30 posts)Jesus Christ, we know she has the plane, but she still feels the need to conceal it to fool us, somehow? The hicks will not like it if she's seen in a privleged way. We need to keep the press away from me. Get off it. If she feels the need to obfuscate at that level, imagine how she's massaging her message on the big issues. But hey, believers will be believers, no matter what she does. Case in point, again, right here.
So I won't demand to know her tailor, or about her luggage, or about her fucking closet. But I will demand to see what she said to Wall Street, because it actually matters a whole hell of a lot. And her dancing on the issue makes me wonder how bad it is. Because it must be pretty bad. After her relationship with Kissinger, nothing surprises me anymore.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... in boarding a private jet when everyone KNOWS she flies by private jet?
The dictate of "no photographs while boarding" undoubtedly comes from her SS detail. It makes their job that much easier if they don't have to worry about a potential sniper having a clear shot. The SS always acts out of an abundance of caution - it's their JOB to keep all risk at a minimum when and where possible.
It's utterly ludicrous to think that HRC is trying to "conceal" the fact that she always travels by private jet, when it has been a well-known, much publicized fact for decades.
It's like saying Obama is never photographed entering the WH living quarters because he's trying to "conceal" the fact that he lives there.
CanadianComrade
(30 posts)...so those are strawman arguments. Why does she feel the need to keep the traveling press, not the public, but the press -- who are safe btw so she doesn't need to fear snipers (!), away from showing what she is doing. It's just dishonest. What the hell is up with that garbage? We know she has to do that, but she still feels the need to conceal it to fool us, somehow? Get off it. If she feels the need to obfuscate at that level, imagine how she's massaging her message on the big issues. But hey, believers will be believers, no matter what she does.
And there is plenty of footage of Obama getting on and off of aircraft, btw. I guess the 1st black President doesn't need as much security as candidate Clinton. He's not so scared of the snipers, it seems, in the press corps.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)Everyone. So what do you think she's concealing?
If non-issues were awarded prizes, this one would be miles ahead of whatever was in second place.
840high
(17,196 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)CanadianComrade
(30 posts)...so instead see my posts at 145 and 147 to show how MsGreggs is just pretending the problem we have is something else. The old strawman argument is alive and well this election cycle, and that's some grade A hay bale right there. Don't be distracted by that garbage. Just look at the behaviour and put it into some context, and think. That's all it takes. But don't listen to re-statements of the arguments arranged in such a way to make the criticism look foolish. That's a sure sign they have no way to explain yet another issue with their candidate, especially after having had so many other things to try to explain away into thin air.
They must be exhausted.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Haters gonna hate I guess.
Chezboo
(230 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)That was great! I thought she traveled by stagecoach.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
vdogg
(1,384 posts)OP called out Clinton for boarding a private jet. I simply pointed out the necessity for her to do so.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)you changed the frame to "flying coach"
And why is this a problem? Do you think something is being covered up because they didn't film her boarding this plane? Could there be a security related issue, or specific reason in this instance why it was disallowed?
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)ok
riversedge
(70,256 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
senz
(11,945 posts)He is what he is. Real.
Logical
(22,457 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't especially care, but that is the issue raised by the tweet in the OP, not that she's flying private.
Ex Lurker
(3,815 posts)Maybe there's something to her rumored health problems.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)As a woman of a certain size, I wouldn't want any one photographing me from the rear as I went up stairs or steps. But I guess that's just me. Health? Knee problems requiring taking steps one at a time? That happens to me occasionally. Just trying to figure this out.
This seems to be a new requirement or limitation re the press - so what's changed?
There have been many reports like the following from July of 2015, documenting her extensive use of private jets - especially during her Senate years, and that didn't stop her from using private jets - and it's to be expected of all candidates during this hectic phase of the campaign. So what prompted this change re reporters/press?
Hillary Dead Broke Clinton Hopped In A Private Jet On Her Way Out Of Iowa Yesterday
Hillary Clinton and her campaign went to great lengths a few months ago to demonstrate exactly how cheap they were. The idea was this: get stories written about how frugal Clintons campaign is so Clintons 2008 donors wont feel burned again by her lavish spending.
A reporter followed Clinton campaign Chairman John Podesta as he rode the bus (Les Miserable!) from New York to Washington. In April, the campaign told reporters the campaign office printers default was set to double-sided. And campaign manager Robby Mook forlornly told donors, hat in hand, that he would not be reimbursed for his cab ride to that days donor meeting.
But outside of her carefully constructed media appearances, it seems old habits die hard. An America Rising tracker caught Clinton and her staff boarding a private jet yesterday as she left the state:
This news should come as no surprise to anyone who has followed Clintons career. Clinton spent:
(1) $19.2 million on private jets during her 2008 campaign alone.
(2) $225,000 of taxpayer money on private jets as a senator.
(3) And the Bill, Hillary, & Chelsea Clinton Foundation spent $50 million10% of their udgeton travel between 2003 and 2012
It seems the dead broke phase of Clintons campaign is officially over.
https://www.americarisingpac.org/hillary-dead-broke-clinton-hopped-in-a-private-jet-on-her-way-out-of-iowa-yesterday/
spooky3
(34,461 posts)And the pain in ascending or descending wobbly airplane steps makes us look far more weak or uncoordinated than we are.
Funny that people are reading all kinds of nefarious motives into this.
olddots
(10,237 posts)Its a PRIVATE jet ..
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Well played!
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)riversedge
(70,256 posts)name not needed
(11,660 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,747 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Probably traceable to someone 'interesting', shall we say?
Vinca
(50,285 posts)One thing is certain, it doesn't belong to the 99%.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)For private flights, the tail number IS INDICATED.. also departure/arrival airports, airspeed, altitude, etc...
By googling the "N" number, one should be able to find out who owns and/or operates the aircraft.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)One intrepid reporter must volunteer to stay behind
pangaia
(24,324 posts)and perhaps the destination. just watch the FlightAware site. All flights that have filed a flight plan will show up. There is a good chance one could figure out which aircraft is hers.
Say you know she is in Opa Locka and that she is leaving after giving a 'speech." Heh Heh.. Select OPA LOCKA on the FlightAware site and watch..
A little guess work but...
It is even easier is she departs from a major airport as very few private aircraft fly to and from them. it is very easy to tell the private aircraft from commercial as all private aircraft have a tail # beginning with "N". PLUS, the tracker indicates the type of aircraft..
So if you see a Cessna 172 leaving from say Rochester, NY - ROC- it is probably not her. :> ))
But if you see a Cessna Citation..... and it is about the right time.. check it out... :> )
have fun..
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)but you're correct, if you glimpse the tail number you could find out who owns it.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Is because a family member had his tail number hidden so we couldn't "spy" on him anymore. 😀
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)babylonsister
(171,075 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)babylonsister
(171,075 posts)so perfectly out of context, but someone might get angry. lol!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)That way she gets a private jet without showing it as income and can probably claim it as a write-off.
merrily
(45,251 posts)contribution to his campaign by her.
Then again, he was under stricter rules because he went McCain Feingold against 3/4 billion spent by Obama, so it's hard to fault McCain too much.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)GOOD GRIEF... I know why... but still
merrily
(45,251 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)this goes more often than you think. Her message is I am one of you... but she is getting into a private jet. Trump... please film me, get that B roll, hell, make sure you have me in a good light and frame, but his is a different set up. People know he is rich.
If anybody got the B Roll using the oh I-phone, which is possible, credentials will be snapped and likely they will not work in the business like ever. I am quite honestly surprised anybody in the gaggle is complaining.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I am guessing her staff is smart enough to think about sight lines.
Doesn't everyone already know she flies private? The only reason that Sanders made news flying commercial is that no Presidential candidates do that.
During the 2008 campaign, Obama not only flew private, he flew on a custom made replica of Air Force One, down to the Presidential insignia on the white head rest covers. I was a huge supporter of his then, and that one even got to me a little. I shook it off, like I shook off so many things during that campaign. Of course, he was a nominee then, not just a candidate for the nom. And, unlike Hillary, the press flew on the same plane with him. McCain flew on his wife's plane.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)how many people do not know that. Nor do they have time to find that out.
This is purely message control, nothing else. And to be honest, campaigns do this all the time, even for city hall elections.
merrily
(45,251 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)as closely as you do, But message control is part and parcel of running for office.
merrily
(45,251 posts)the only reason press can't see her board a plane is because it's a private plane.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I am pretty sure. She would prefer if people believe (wrongly mind you) that she flies commercial
People who think about it, will not. This has butkis to do with security
merrily
(45,251 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and beyond that I cannot do.
Now time to get ready for my afternoon news gathering, Nope, will not be here for beyond the all networks will go CLINTON won on the hour.
merrily
(45,251 posts)After it became clear that you were making an assumption, I replied that I prefer not to assume flying private was the only reason .
It's not a big deal.
senz
(11,945 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Hillary stopped wearing skirts about the same time as she refused to be filmed boarding a plane. Don't you remember that embarrassing moment when she got photographed with her skirt tucked into her pantyhose and everyone could see her arse? Oh come on, you remember...her skirt AND slip were tucked into her hose and her knickers were riding so that you could see her arse!
Wait a second, that was me. Never mind.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
LuvLoogie
(7,015 posts)Just a guess.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)mcar
(42,337 posts)The media is really reaching with this one.
jillan
(39,451 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I would never have cared, one way or another, about a video of Hillary boarding a plane, except now I want to know why it has to be so secret.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)And Hillary hasn't yet had her coronation.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)any unscripted questions
LiberalArkie
(15,720 posts)and even Trump. HRC must be using a corporate jet for just her and her aides and SS.
senz
(11,945 posts)Princess and the Pea -- down to the most minute details. She is picky, deserves the very best, and will not do a speaking gig without it.
Ugh.
840high
(17,196 posts)traveled with the press. Such a conniving woman.
azmom
(5,208 posts)There are no records of the Clinton campaign purchasing carbon offsets in their latest Federal Election Commission reports released earlier this month and, when asked, multiple campaign aides did not refute CNN's reporting that offsets have yet to be purchased.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I hear she is a real &*^%$. And the language she uses. Oh please, please, please, have video of a melt down.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...recently about that. If I can find it I'll send it to you.
Sort of oblivious to how that plays on social media? #oblivious
jalan48
(13,873 posts)A female Richard Nixon in waiting perhaps.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)she had to eat peanut butter sandwiches in order to send Chelsea to Wellesley or wherever she went.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)I assume she was getting them out of harm's way in case there was sniper fire.
GoldenMean
(49 posts)For $5,800 hr., you too can rent this jet.
What's the big deal about seeing a jet.
The big deal is who is paying the bill?
Hillary is playing her Trump card
http://aircharterus.com/private-jet-N506BA.html
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)phylny
(8,381 posts)not about her jet, or about who's paying for it.
It was this: Maybe she doesn't want pictures of her taken from behind boarding the plane.
Please understand, I'm not in any way making fun of her. But as we age, our bodies look different and since she was so ridiculed about her ankles, she may be particularly sensitive about it.
Just a guess, probably wrong.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
..Bernie flies coach or did for months until he got so big that he needed protection, and that private jets are costly and associate her with the economic royalists. I wonder if she rented it out of her campaign funds or if it was lent to her by a Billionaire. Who's jet is it?
She know it belies the image she's so carefully grooming now of being all about income disparity.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Prez. Obama>
randome
(34,845 posts)Is it just her being a control freak? Then why doesn't she mind other photo ops? Is it because she's trying to hide the fact that she flies on planes? Hasn't happened in the past, has it?
So what do you think it is?
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demigoddess
(6,641 posts)protecting her.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Once you've experienced it you just can't be too careful
sister_rosa_refried
(447 posts)mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Bulletholes would have to be repaired.... take off would be delayed...
Oops, sorry, wrong kind of shot. Please forgive me, this is America after all.
Besides why not take pictures of her boarding a plane? Photo opportunity, no?
rurallib
(62,431 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I'd think that would eat up a lot of time waiting in airports.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)of a presidential hopeful who just wants to be a regular citizen.
JGug1
(320 posts)Not weird at all that she is paranoid. You would be paranoid too, if every single move you made, every bit of hair out of place, every little laugh or complaint was being scrutinized for something to attack you on.
None of which means that I think her paranoid reaction is going to serve her well. She will be attacked for attempting to short circuit the attacks......
longship
(40,416 posts)Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511355313#post117
She's a former First Lady, US Senator, US Secy of State and a presidential candidate. The first one gets her lifetime SS protection. And even Bernie is probably told that he cannot fly coach anymore since he also now has SS protection.
Read NanceGregg's post (above, link in this post). She has more details.
And I will be voting for Bernie in the primary. But this is a bullshit OP. Nance is totally correct. She's smart!
artislife
(9,497 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)She rides in a separate aircraft from the press...they have to ride in another plane.
It's not a Secret Service requirement...she does it because she wants to.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Safety precaution?
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)because of the medication she still takes for her fainting and other documented falling down episodes
Its a side effect and well documented.
Bad optics if it was filmed.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,354 posts)Wouldn't there be some local news camera operators with long lenses?
Maybe she should specify that a portable canopy cover her ascent to the jet's doorway.
I'd guess it's just vanity. Ascending stairs may not project her at her most photogenic.