After today I think we can retire the oft repeated argument that Bernie 2016 is like Obama 2008.

[DCBob]

Obama won South Carolina by a very wide margin which propelled him to victories in subsequent states. Today Hillary appears to be one who will win SC in a big way and have huge momentum into Super Tuesday and beyond.

We have told the Bernie folks here on DU many many times that Bernie is no Obama. Perhaps after today they will finally admit it.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

1. strange logic

...

[DCBob]

3. Strange response

---

[SoLeftIAmRight]

6. curious reply

...

[DCBob]

7. Not interested in your game.. whatever it is.

ciao.

[rjsquirrel]

59. Snarky Comeback

Your move

[Vattel]

2. Wow, and here I thought it would be identical.

Just playin with ya DCBob.

[Lizzie Poppet]

4. That was never a valid argument.

But the candidate with more appeal to black voters winning a primary in SC isn't exactly a surprise...

The only difference is that this time 'round, that appeal is difficult to comprehend. But so it goes...

[DCBob]

9. I agree it was never valid but I suspect it was posted here hundreds of times..

by Bernie supporters.

[Ed Suspicious]

5. DCBubble?

[MrMickeysMom]

24. Yes, Ed...

I hear that his house has a bubble door, too. It makes it a little hard to close it on those humid days.

La! La! La!

[giftedgirl77]

55. I know ppl here think DC is all kind's of evil but I would love to get

a job there especially on Capital Hill.

[LiberalAndProud]

8. There can be more than one road to victory.

SC was an amazing moment in the Obama campaign, but I'd no sooner have SC definitively decide our primaries than allow Texas to decide the GE. Bernie won't have the momentum that Obama had, that I'll concede. Nothing more.

[DCBob]

11. I think this could be the turning point today.

If Bernie gets clobbered I think he doesnt recover.

[LiberalAndProud]

15. That's possible, but please allow the rest of the states to weigh in.

It seems like the courteous thing to do.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. You are thinking of the Republican Primary

where it is pretty much over, and the final nail will be best case Tuesday, worst, in two weeks. Why republicans are even thinking of a THIRD PARTY run.

This is still a very competitive primary. and by the way i am paraphrasing the Chairman of the SC Democratic Party.

Will she win today? Yes... will this be the end? Any rational political observer does not even think Tuesday will be it. Why? Again to paraphrase the Chairman. this is a very competitive race. This was also repeated by other members of the party.

[DCBob]

30. Actually I am not.

BTW, I think the Republican primary is going to get uglier and uglier even if Trump does well on Tuesday. The GOP establishment is freaking out and I am sure they will not go quietly and let Trump take over "their party". Not sure what they will do but they will do something.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. I think you need to get in your car

and go down to SC, I think you are at a drivable distance, and go down to correct the Chairman of the party. I suspect, he has a far better feel than you do about this, since he has access to numbers that neither you or me have.

And you missed this story from Politico about that third party run, and not from Trump by the way, which I posted earlier in the day... so here you go

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/doors-gop-consulting-independent-219859#ixzz41KmBHsrQ

You welcome

[DCBob]

33. LOL..

The chairman can say whatever he/she wants. Its none of my business.

Thanks for the link.. but yes I have heard that and its very interesting.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Partisans are always a fun exercise

and that goes for both national parties. This is what makes this job so much fun. Of course they can say whatever they want, but they have access to internal party analytics that you and I don't have. I will repeat myself. I have learned over the years to listen CAREFULLY to what party chairmans say. County, you can more or less be a tad more dismissive. State... they tend to have far more info.

My favorites in the they can say whatever they want and I am right are Libertarians. At least they get creative with it.



You welcome

[mgmaggiemg]

10. agree

[wyldwolf]

12. Someone is already calling South Carolina Democrats "reds."

Essentially diminishing the importance of African American voters there.

[LiberalAndProud]

20. The thing that diminishes the importance of voters is when they don't vote.

Clinton Poised for South Carolina Win as Turnout Reported Light

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-27/south-carolina-democratic-primary-sets-table-for-super-tuesday

There may be a few areas where voters are showing up in larger numbers, but anecdotal reports indicated low turnout throughout the state by midday, said Chris Whitmire, a spokesman for the South Carolina State Election Commission in Columbia.

[wyldwolf]

23. So the Bernie revolution has stalled.

[LiberalAndProud]

27. That's one way to interpret the turnout, I suppose.

Neither of our candidates duplicated Obama's effort. That's the shame.

[DCBob]

22. Yeah.. that's the latest desperate tactic from the Bernsters.

Trying to demean the importance of the vote today.

[KingFlorez]

26. There will be plenty of arguments like that tonight

South Carolina supposedly doesn't count for anything, because it's a red state in general elections.

[BillZBubb]

13. What a crock.

No sensible person said Bernie is Obama or that the race would go the same way it did in 2008.

The point was that Hillary was a designated winner in 2008 but Obama cleaned her clock and her inevitability disappeared. Bernie's supporters think she can be dethroned again.

Obama won in SC by a wide margin because he had a solid voting block there. Hillary has inherited that "firewall". That gives her a real up hand in all the southern and red states. The conservative Democrats love her, she's one of them.

She'll do very well on Super Tuesday and in SC. Things will get a lot closer when the campaign moves into the blue states.

[DCBob]

14. Your post is a crock.

Many suggested that SC would eventually go Bernie once they "got to know him" just like Obama did in 2008.

That argument was posted here many many times.. it was always bogus but after today its dead.

[Logical]

16. I have told Hillary folks many many times Hillary is not a liberal. nt

[wyldwolf]

17. well, I guess that settles it, LOL.

[DCBob]

18. +1

[Hoppy]

19. Bernie is no Obama and Hillary is no F.D.R., no Lincoln, No T.R., No Jefferson, No Truman.

Hillary is, however, a Clinton --- 'Nuff said,

[wyldwolf]

21. Bernie is no Democrat.

--- 'Nuff said,

[vdogg]

29. Ouch

Feel the Beerrrnn.

[DCBob]

35. +1

[slipslidingaway]

40. A label does not define a person ... nuff said. nt

[MrMickeysMom]

25. No, Bob... Bernie is no Obama...

That's one for you.

[DCBob]

32. Thank you!

[Vinca]

34. I've repeatedly said it is unfair to compare Bernie's numbers with Obama's.

Obama, in 2008, was nothing short of a worldwide rock star. The big question is why Hillary isn't driving up the numbers if she's so popular.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. And that question was asked

and party poobahs are starting to sound concerned.

[haikugal]

38. Yeah, he's better than Obama in so many ways.

I think you're ahead of yourself declaring Hillary the winner of everything...in that way Bernie IS like Obama.

[calguy]

39. Do you know any OTHER good jokes?

[haikugal]

41. Glad you find me humorous...enjoy yourself.

[AzDar]

42. "Surrender Bernie!"

Not Happenin', Chief!

[DCBob]

43. No need to surrender.

Just face reality.

[AzDar]

45. Reality: Bernie is in it to win it...

[DCBob]

46. I think Bernie has already realized he can't win.

His mission now is to simply win as many states and delegates as possible to give him some leverage at the convention.

[anotherproletariat]

44. One of my professors was a huge Obama supporter/campaign worker in 2008, and he says...

...that the only similarity has been on the college campuses. In 2008, Obama energized all demographics, not just the young people. We talked in class about how Bernie used the free tuition thing to attract young people, and I think it worked. Once my non-poli sci friends realized that any legislation to pay for their college would be too late for them, they became less enthusiastic. Although young people are idealistic, they still need to have some skin in the game to fight hard.

[beaglelover]

47. Bernie is toast. He will be out of the race by the end of March. Mark my words!

[DCBob]

48. I think he hangs on till the convention even if he has no way to win.

Bernie wants his message to live on and hopefully have an impact on the party and the nation.

[Live and Learn]

49. After today, I am seriously questioning whether

I can actually wait until after the primary to put some people on ignore.

[DCBob]

50. I have never put anyone on ignore.

I prefer to hear all sides and all opinions even if they are different from my own. Its educational and often enlightening.

[Live and Learn]

56. Me either but I have decided some people will be best never heard from again. nt

[NurseJackie]

51. You'd think ...

... but it remains to be seen.

[DCBob]

53. Indeed it does.

With this crowd who knows.

[GusBob]

52. Also put to rest:

Revolution

Young people voting

[DCBob]

54. I hope not.

I do think we still need a revolution of sorts.. not exactly like what Bernie is saying but something that changes the trajectory we are on. Also, we do need to find a way to keep those young people Bernie tapped into. That's why I hope Bernie hangs on until the convention even if he has no way to win. His message needs to be heard and hopefully the party will evolve to something those young folks will be attracted to.

[smiley]

57. Hillary will lose the general election.

That is reality.

[DCBob]

58. No one knows for sure who will win the general election.

That is the real reality.

[smiley]

66. True...

But I personally feel we have a better chance with Sanders. Hillary as the nominee scares me. I personally don't like her politics and from my personal experience very few people I've spoken to dislike her. Very few people I know have known who Bernie Sanders was until recently. Based on that experience and what I've seen from the polls I think it's very logical to assume that Hillary will get beaten by Trump or any other Republican they put her up against. She is simply a lousy candidate to run for POTUS. Waaaaay to much baggage, which gives the republicans and their media cohorts endless ammunition to use against her. All they got on Sander is "commie" and that's an old hat that nobody is falling for.

Sanders we win. Hillary we lose..... and in my opinion lose even if she is elected POTUS.

[wildeyed]

62. This is a really silly statement.

You need to google "reality meaning"

[smiley]

64. you need to goole the word "silly"

Reality is Hillary is hated by way too many republicans and democrats alike. Denying that is simply being... dare I say "silly".

[wildeyed]

65. Prove it

or you are just talkin' shite. She was not hated by too many Democrats in SC yesterday, that is for sure

[smiley]

68. From my personal experience she is...

distrusted by many. Of course this is just knowledge I've gained from speaking with my circle of friends, coworkers, and casual acquaintances and from the many, many, many, articles I've read about her over the last 25 years. But my impression of Hillary Rodham Clinton is she is overwhelmingly distrusted by the American people. I can't prove this. Sorry. My gut feeling is all I got.

SC wasn't a shocker. I'm not heart broken. But I still believe Hillary is a lousy candidate to run as the nominee in the general election. and my support is still with Senator Sanders!

Just so you know up until about 2 months agoI've been a registered Independent for 23 years. I became a democrat so that I could caucus for Sanders. I'm still undecided as to whether I can stomach once again voting for a candidate I believe does not have my best interest in mind.

Go Bernie!

Have a nice day!

[peace13]

60. Those tenacious SC voters listened..

...when President Obama all but endorsed Clinton a month or so ago. I know a few Obama staffers in SC and they are go getters. If that machine walked for Hillary then this win for her is no mystery.

Why minorities would vote for Clinton is something I will never understand. I don't even trust her views on women....and I am one! This country is in real trouble.

[DCBob]

61. I doubt the Obama comment had much effect.

African American voters in SC have always liked the Clintons and simply dont know enough about Bernie to have much of an opinion either way.

[peace13]

63. And...they love the President.

He said it. Discount it if you want but he said it for a reason and to appears to have worked.

[Armstead]

67. He's not Obama. He represents the urge for meaningful change from the stale Democrat Template

I love Obama. Had that lump in the throat when he got elected, am continually amazed by his 3D grasp of the issues, and I think he is one of the most fundamentally decent people in politics.

I also believe he won because people were looking for an agent of change. During a combined national crisis, and 8 years of Booooosh, they were hungry for change. And he represented that hope. And he is an AA, which was a galvanizing factor.

However, in other respects, he did not turn out to be a real agent of change, beyond booting the GOP out of the WH. He did not follow through as a progressive champion. Some of that was the fault of the opposition by the GOP. But he also allowed his "cejntrist" side to ntake over and he aligned himself with the Clinton Bankster Corporate Coalition too much.

This time around, Bernie is telling the Real Full Truth for a change. And trying to shake the trees and open the doors to let in new ideas for Real Change/Reform of a corrupt, rotting political and economic malaise.

It';s not only about Bernie. He is the voice of millions....Including millions who prefer him and his ideas, but will be cowed into voting for Clinton in the primary

Unfortunately Clinton/DLC Inc. has a lot of practice at stifling change. they are masters of marketing.