Trump against Hillary or Bernie

[healthnut7]

I think this is an important read!!! I can actually see him tearing Hillary apart and to some extent Bernie but he would love to be against Hillary!! Love to know your thoughts on this!!!

http://static.currentaffairs.org/2016/02/unless-the-democrats-nominate-sanders-a-trump-nomination-means-a-trump-presidency

[SoLeftIAmRight]

1. I think Sanders is the only person that has a chance to stop Trump.

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[Bucky]

35. I agree, Sanders would be much stronger, but sadly the votes aren't with him

Unless he can pull off a few upsets and turn it all around by the 15th, he's not getting nominated.

[BillyDawg]

2. Hillary

Would make him look like an absolute bafoon. She is so much smarter than him.

[kristopher]

4. Trump: "Hillary took $21,000,000 in personal income from special interests since she ...

...started rolling out her campaign in 2013. I don't owe anyone. I'm self funded."


Hillary: "You can't prove I did anything illegal!!!"

Voter: WTF? Go Trump.

[BillyDawg]

7. You act like

Everyone in the general election cares about stuff. There is a lot more to being a presidential election than how much money to you take, lots of people care about stuff that is actually going to impact our country.

[kristopher]

15. She took $21,000,000 from special interests after starting her campaign.

That reflects in a very bad way on both her judgement and her ethics.

"Bought and paid for"

"In the pocket of"

She is unelectable.

[libtodeath]

11. He relishes looking like a bafoon is the problem.

[BillyDawg]

14. That works with a

Republican base, but things are much different in the general election.

[kristopher]

16. Are they?

That's what everyone on that side said about the Primary. Bush was supposed to have it wrapped up by now. The body of voters who are willing to burn the system down to protest the way its rigged looks to have reached critical mass.

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. Trump alienates Hispanics, African Americans, Women (All large constituencies.)

He also alienates a percentage of Republican moderates who think (with some justification, I think) that he will destroy their party.

The election will depend on whether those groups vote against him out of anger or fear or simply don't vote.

[onenote]

5. One line shows what a crock this article is:

"Trump will capitalize on his reputation as a truth teller"


Seriously?

[rtracey]

6. My take...

Here is my take..My own opinion....Hillary or Bernie, whomever your candidate is and whomever wins, the cold facts are a NO vote, a sit at home protest, a write in for Hillary or Bernie is a vote for Trump.....thats all I'll say on the matter

[Control-Z]

10. So true.

Some people have a hard time understanding this.

[Lizzie Poppet]

21. Only in swing states, really.

And, I suppose, in the couple of states that aren't all-or-nothing...

For most of us, however, because of the Electoral Anachronism, er...College, our votes aren't particularly relevant. In my case, for example, my state (Oregon) simply isn't going to go for the Republican. Sure, I'll keep an eye out for a near-miraculous shift in our polling, just in case...but it's virtually certain that if I decide not to vote for president, it won't make the slightest difference. All seven (lol...) Oregon electors will be going to the Democratic candidate, regardless.

Now if we directly elected the president (you know...like in democracy), I'd be a lot more receptive to your argument.

But we don't...

[kristopher]

22. I take it you've never seen this map

[Lizzie Poppet]

24. Sure I have.

But I'm not talking about three decades ago...

[kristopher]

26. You should be if your making sweeping statements like you did.

Reagan was also actor and an authoritarian asshat with no meaningful policy message who tapped into an ocean of discontent.

[Lizzie Poppet]

27. If I see our polling giving ANY indication of such a shift...

...I'll adjust accordingly. Until then, I have no problem standing behind that "sweeping" (lol) statement.

[rtracey]

32. yet

Yet the electoral college has been around since the Founding Fathers....hmmmmm so our country never was a democracy?

[Lizzie Poppet]

34. I think that argument can definitely be made.

The EC is really just a firewall against "bad" decisions being made by the peasantry.

[rtracey]

33. My question

My other question is this... Where were the Bernie supporters in South Carolina? Where were the young college students from the colleges and Universities like Clemson, College of Charleston, Citidel, University of South Carolina...(all 8 campuses), MUSC, Trident?

[Lizzie Poppet]

36. And it's a good question, indeed.

I'd have expected more...

Perhaps in that context (deeply conservative state, etc.), the conversation many were hearing every day was that Bernie is "unelectable," and because they're not interested in any other candidate, they stayed home. SC probably has a comparatively high percentage of conservative college-age people, too (they exist!).

[rtracey]

38. but

but they go to the rallies? no I don't buy it. I also think the same for Trump. His rallies are bringing in the cretin vote, the racist vote, yet I really think the established GOP vote, not the teaparty crap has not gone to the polls, because Bush is no longer there, and Cruz is like Senator Stillson from the Dead Zone (hallelujah, the missiles are flying), and Rubio is to immature.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. No it's not. 0 - 0 = 0

[Control-Z]

8. If the debates are based on issues and solutions.

Legal policies. How government works. Hillary will bury him. If he continues with the personal insults, it won't go over well with most people.

To stand a chance, he'd have to have a personality transplant and a crash course in every aspeect of how the government is run.

[togetherforever]

12. The MSM will run the debates with which ever way gets the best ratings for the network

Circus sideshow is the new theme

[Control-Z]

17. I can't imagine Hillary

getting sucked into Trump's trash under any circumstance. And it doesn't matter what the moderators throw at her. She's not going to fall for any tricks.

[togetherforever]

23. I disagree she rattles easy

She was rattled pretty easily by Anderson Cooper by a few pointed questions.

She's going to have no choice to get sucked in .

This is totally different venue than the steadfast assertive Hillary we watched in congressional hearings .


She gets rattled by questions of which the like Cooper asked.

[rtracey]

41. she prepping now

She is prepping for him now. If she wins, she will wipe the floor with trump, same with Bernie. He will just mop it up with Trumps hair. We are forgetting, the only voters Trump are getting are the teaparty Racist, white, cretin vote. The mainstream GOP has not voted in the primaries, cuz their boy Bush is not around. They may not show this election either. Trump is a major threat to their party completely, unlike Bernie / Hillary, who each have their own portion of the democrats on each side... Bernie the progressive side, and Hillary the centrist/ moderate side.... and yes people there are centrist , moderate democrats who give a shit about all the progressives care about.

[libtodeath]

13. The problem is most dont care about issues unless it speaks to them and she doesnt.

[Control-Z]

18. Oh yes she does.

All you need to do is listen.

[libtodeath]

20. How,please name or link to them

Real plans with tax and spending figures, not "we will do this" stuff.

I will be waiting.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. She has a lot of baggage for Trump to tear into.

[Control-Z]

19. Such a tired line. n/t

[panader0]

25. But true.

[rtracey]

43. there is one thing

There is one thing that Trump has that none of our candidate have... TRUMP is being indited for fraud over the Trump University shit.... that is going to stick, and I think that is what Mitt Romney is leading to.... the money trump defrauded the students was not claimed on his taxes... Income tax evasion... Capone got 18 years didn't he?

[Jester Messiah]

28. If she doesn't win the Dem primary

...she'd make a great VP pick for Trump.

[Albert Leo]

29. Reality

If Hillary wins the democratic nominee Trump is our next president.

Its on every single poll how do people not get this?

Wasserman Schultz and her election fraud is going to make Trump the next president.

Hillary is basically a republican anyways.

Oh well that's what happens to an uneducated society.

[cyberswede]

30. *it's *poll *anyway

[oberliner]

37. A presidential candidate cannot win without support from non-whites

Which Trump will have none of.

[PonyUp]

40. Can't win without independents either. Hillary will have none of. n/t

[oberliner]

42. Trump has a -30 net favorability rating with independents

Considerably worse than Hillary's numbers (which are also not great).

[rtracey]

45. BS

Sorry, you really think independents are voting for Trump..... I don't buy that.

[PonyUp]

39. Trump said he has the cancelled checks he made out to Hillary showing she can be bought. n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

44. Trump can run to the left of Hillary on 2.issues.

Both on money in politics and on the Iraq war.

He has already floated the attack line that she is "protected" to start turning that ~70% of Americans who don't trust her against her. Even if we assume she won't be indicted, the appearance of impropriety in conjunction with the accusation of being protected by the current administration could be devastating.

She is a terrible candidate.