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nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:26 PM Feb 2016

Will you be Hillary's next superpredator?

Will you be Hillary's next superpredator?
Brook Hines | @nashville_brook

http://thefloridasqueeze.com/2016/02/27/will-you-be-hillarys-next-superpredator/


We know now that the theory of the superpredator is utter bullshit. In the 90s the idea was pushed by John DiIulio, a professor at Princeton who fear-mongered that by 2010, there would be "an estimated 270,000 more young predators on the streets.” This, of course, never happened. His predictive failure was nonetheless a coup for conservative tacticians, and after helping the Clintons establish themselves as “tough on crime,” he was rewarded as the first director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives under President George W. Bush.

It should be obvious that the Clintons cynically used the myth of the superpredator to exploit issues of race and crime, extract money for/from the private prison lobby, and steer political discourse to the right. It was a horribly destructive myth that claimed some children were “just born criminals.” It was used in combination with the “crack baby” myth to demonize the black community with the express intent of preemptively locking up kids. This was the subject of her now infamous campaign speech when she said that these children are superpredators, without conscience or empathy—who have to be "brought to heel."



Here’s what UC Law professor Franklin Zimring said of the superpredator myth in 1996: “The ideological needs of the moment seem to be for a youth crime wave set in the future so that government can shadowbox against it by getting tough on juvenile crime in advance. It's a "heads-I-win, tails-you-lose" situation for the crime wave alarmists. They were right if crime rates go up; their policies can also be said to succeed even if the crime wave never happens. There are more than a few parallels here with the domestic scare about communists in the late 1940s and early 1950s. If we find any communists hiding under our beds, the alarm was justified. If there are no communists under the bed, then the vigilance of citizens has saved the day.”

You might say it was it was tactic that Barry Goldwater would approve of, only African American juveniles were the communists of the 90s.



On Wednesday Clinton was confronted at a fundraiser by an activist, Ashley Williams, who unfurled a banner and asked for an apology for the policy and for the superpredator language. Hillary was caught flat-footed and angrily brushed the woman away. It was all caught on video. I don't need to re-post it here on DU, we've all seen it.

It took a day of the video and hashtag #WhichHillary trending on Twitter for Clinton to release a statement saying this was language she “wouldn’t use today.” Unfortunately, she wasn’t immediately able to articulate this position, and language shouldn’t be our primary concern. This discredited theory of crime created mass incarceration which decimated whole swaths of our country by race. I believe that deserves a more than, “I wouldn’t use that language today.” How about not adopting that policy, scapegoating that racial population, and carrying that water for the private prison lobby?

If Clinton would use the myth of the superpredator to build power for the administation on crime in the 90s, what do you suppose will be the next myth and the next maligned social group under a new Clinton White House? Could the threat of ISIS be used against us? In what capacity? Against which social groups? Muslims? Immigrants? Using what technologies?

Indeed, this moment would have gone down much differently had candidate Clinton used her position of privilege to respond with more compassion or care. But that didn't happen. Instead, she had that young black woman escorted out while intoning that she would “get back to the the issues.”

This sent the message that the concerns of African Americans are not her issues, nor those of the people in the room. Moreover, it suggested that the people in the room were still in the superpredator mindset—and the candidate wasn't going to deign to address her question. No how, no way. "Back to the issues."





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Will you be Hillary's next superpredator? (Original Post) nashville_brook Feb 2016 OP
"Tough on crime" was a conservative drumbeat DirkGently Feb 2016 #1
it's a shame that POC are being used...again, meanwhile nothing is done about nashville_brook Feb 2016 #6
They lost Trayvon, Eric, Sandra, Jordan, Dontre. Now these mothers are with Hillary. ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #21
the ironic tragedy is these women would likely not have suffered their loses without the Clintons. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #26
I am sorry for their losses. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #32
A conservative drumbeat that Bernie voted for. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #20
He wasn't the one who cut the deal that made voting for the crime bill Ken Burch Mar 2016 #30
Excellent post Rebkeh Feb 2016 #2
and what's sad is it might have been nashville_brook Feb 2016 #4
Amen and amen! Rebkeh Feb 2016 #5
good point on the pivot. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #8
There will always be bogeyman, is the problem. DirkGently Feb 2016 #9
DiIulio famously referred to W's admin as "Mayberry Machiavellis" nashville_brook Feb 2016 #10
Lots of tactics, some strategy. Little substance. DirkGently Feb 2016 #14
She pretty much just said "I'm sorry if YOU were offended". Ken Burch Mar 2016 #31
K&R + HRC's Faith Foundation= Know Your BFEE: The Fellowship 'Preys" for America (Octafish Nov.2006) bobthedrummer Feb 2016 #3
it's critical to be aware that when we're viewed as means to an end nashville_brook Feb 2016 #7
Well that's just DirkGently Feb 2016 #13
BLM suporters seem to be ushered out at Hillary events Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #11
You'd think she would be more sentive to race. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #12
Blah! I just wasted a week trying to argue this shit and all for naught WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #15
It's important to everyone to be clear DirkGently Feb 2016 #16
I thought so, Dirk. I really wanted it to be important. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #17
looking at the time stamp -- nashville_brook Feb 2016 #18
"South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum." -James Petigru Fumesucker Mar 2016 #40
Sit. Heel. Play dead... bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #19
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #22
^^^ Eugenics is another feature in her elitist Brave New World>>> bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #23
did a search of the article and couldn't find Clinton mentioned nashville_brook Mar 2016 #24
She wasn't mentioned in that specific article which is representative of what lies in her "lack of bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #25
ah -- i follow. nashville_brook Mar 2016 #33
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #27
The real super predators are Hillary's friends on Wall Street. Broward Mar 2016 #28
and what the superpred myth triangulates for nashville_brook Mar 2016 #36
+1 n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #39
"When they came for the poor, I did not speak out, for I was not poor..." Ken Burch Mar 2016 #29
What a lie. I didn't hear Hillary say a word about removing anyone. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #34
You don't by chance have an auditory problem today, do you Jitter65? n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #38
Killer Mike weighs in. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #35
An International Woman's Day kick, and remember that HRC & Bill were America's 1st "co-presidency" bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #37
Back to the top, Brook... bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #41
backatcha! nashville_brook Mar 2016 #42

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
1. "Tough on crime" was a conservative drumbeat
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:32 PM
Feb 2016

that part of the the disheartened Democratic Party once thought it had to embrace. Like welfare reform. And de-regulation. And wars for " regime change." This is how we got the Third Way crop of Dems that thought the only way to beat Republicans was to basically become them.

That has not gone well.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
6. it's a shame that POC are being used...again, meanwhile nothing is done about
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

killer cops. you don't hear HRC intoning against those who murdered Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Sandra Bland, Laquan McDonald and so many more. That's not her issue. She doesn't say these names.

i guess that's being "tough on crime."

ismnotwasm

(41,996 posts)
21. They lost Trayvon, Eric, Sandra, Jordan, Dontre. Now these mothers are with Hillary.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:48 PM
Mar 2016
Clinton, the women all agreed, had been the only candidate to reach out to them. That fact was stressed again and again in the more than an hour they spent here, speaking to a small group of mostly black voters.

Geneva Reed-Veal — the mother of Sandra Bland, the Illinois woman found hanging in a Texas jail cell last year — described Clinton as the kind of person you can "take your shoes off and have a conversation with."

"You can not fake passion," Reed-Veal said. "You cannot fake concern."

While some of these women have campaigned on Clinton’s behalf prior to today’s roundtable, this is the first time the five have stood shoulder to shoulder in an effort to boost her campaign. Tomorrow, at a different church in Columbia, S.C., they’ll stand beside Clinton herself.

Referring to themselves repeatedly as the "mothers of the movement," the women interspersed stories of losing their children in high-profile acts of violence with their recollections of meeting Clinton, and their belief that she would be the best president for Black America.


http://mashable.com/2016/02/22/hillary-clinton-mothers-violence/#KExsyd7pvmqu
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
32. I am sorry for their losses.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:19 PM
Mar 2016

But it isn't true that Bernie didn't reach out to them. He has reached out to all victims of police violence.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
30. He wasn't the one who cut the deal that made voting for the crime bill
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:08 PM
Mar 2016

the only way to save the Violence Against Women Act.

HRC is responsible for that one.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
4. and what's sad is it might have been
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:38 PM
Feb 2016

a quick pivot that night. if she were a better candidate she would have been able to SAY "i would never SAY those things now," and that wouldn't play so well on video.

but she didn't do that. an even better pivot would have been to say, "i certainly don't support those POLICIES anymore," and she didn't say that!

holy cow. why not? i think it's b/c that crowd you see there STILL wants those policies and still believes that language applies. all these black men aren't being murdered by the police in a political vacuum. it's with the tacit support of communities like the one standing in that room.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
5. Amen and amen!
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:40 PM
Feb 2016

If you stand correct in the first place, you wouldn't have to pivot at all. Why is this hard?

It's maddeningly easy to see, but it's oh so easy to distort.


DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
9. There will always be bogeyman, is the problem.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:13 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton was just channeling the popular conservative freak-out of the time. She wouldn't now, because it isn't WORKING ANYMORE.

That's the difference, though, between being a thought leader, and someone simply adept at navigating the prevailing political currents.

We can do better.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
10. DiIulio famously referred to W's admin as "Mayberry Machiavellis"
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:23 PM
Feb 2016

The equal application of that for HRC's cohort might be "Neiman-Marcus Machiavellis" or perhaps, "Marin County Machiavellis."

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
14. Lots of tactics, some strategy. Little substance.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:35 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary is a conservative. Her progressivism is limited to a gradually evolving notion of social fairness, which only recently even included marriage equality. Otherwise she's hawkish, laissez-faire, and prone to these conservative themes about how the wealthy are wise and everyone else is possibly a threat to be "brought to heel."

It would be odd to me if the country that rejected her in favor of Barack Obama's mildly more liberal stance wanted to leap back to the right to put the brakes on at this point.
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
31. She pretty much just said "I'm sorry if YOU were offended".
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016

In other words, the classic Bush "non-apology apology".

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
7. it's critical to be aware that when we're viewed as means to an end
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:56 PM
Feb 2016

-- you know, coordinates to be triangulated against -- then we're just as vulnerable under a D as we are under an R. we have to seek the leadership of those who see us as more than votes and money. we need leaders to serve US, not themselves, not their donors. that's why campaign finance is key -- and it's also why The Family (and the religious aspect generally) are so auspiciously grotesque. that money and influence flies under the radar. it's considered naughty to call out religious leaders for being political toadies.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
15. Blah! I just wasted a week trying to argue this shit and all for naught
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:38 PM
Feb 2016

Water under the bridge. It can't be more important to us. Have to move on.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
16. It's important to everyone to be clear
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:47 PM
Feb 2016

where people stand, and the kinds of arguments they're willing to make.
 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
17. I thought so, Dirk. I really wanted it to be important.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

I mean, you should have seen my posts, threads, about dog whistle language. Pointing out policies that saw their jobs go overseas and took chipped away at their safety net. Policies that resulted in the loss of a generation of black men. Posting images of Hillary shaming BLM leaders who just want to ask her simple questions. It can't be more important to me. I need to step back and ask myself why is it more important to me?

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
18. looking at the time stamp --
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:41 AM
Feb 2016

conservative AA voters in South Carolina aren't indicative of the rest of the country. South Carolina is so cloistered and so closed-off from the rest of the world that it's amazing they still have a functioning Democracy at all.

it took rigging the caucuses in Nevada, last minute gift from Harry Reid: paid time off for CASINO employees who caucus INSIDE their workplace --> no other provisions for other workers in other parts of the state. that's incredibly dirty. HRC BARELY won Iowa. it's embarrassing that anyone would call that race anything but a tie.

so what do we have? a HUGE win for Sanders and a HUGE win for HRC -- this shows how divided the country is, btw.

bravo for both on their wins. on to Super Tues and beyond.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
23. ^^^ Eugenics is another feature in her elitist Brave New World>>>
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:55 PM
Mar 2016

The Hidden Tragedy of the CIA's Experiments on Children (Dr. Jeffrey S. Kay and H P Albarelli Jr Truthout 2010)
http://truthout.org/archive/component/k2/item/91211:the-hidden

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
24. did a search of the article and couldn't find Clinton mentioned
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:09 AM
Mar 2016

although the techniques outlined there are horrific, and most certainly are on the menu for war hawks like HRC.

maybe you grabbed the wrong link -- fascinating article nonetheless

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
25. She wasn't mentioned in that specific article which is representative of what lies in her "lack of
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:53 PM
Mar 2016

candor" about just about everything-and her "national security" supporters.

Remember too that Charles Murray (The Bell Curve author that teamed up with many other racists like Tommy Thompson) is influential across a broad spectrum that is without any honesty at all.

It's 24/7 psy-ops.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
36. and what the superpred myth triangulates for
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:22 AM
Mar 2016

finding a scary monster to focus attention on, so that the donors don't pay their fair share or see justice.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
29. "When they came for the poor, I did not speak out, for I was not poor..."
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:07 PM
Mar 2016

"...when they came for the 'welfare mothers', I did not speak out, for I was not a 'welfare mothers..."

"...when they came for the young black and brown men, I did not speak out, for I was not a young black or brown man..."





(Martin Niemuller updated for the DLC/Bill Clinton era).

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
34. What a lie. I didn't hear Hillary say a word about removing anyone.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:34 PM
Mar 2016

Post like this actually work against your candidate. But that's none of my business. Proceed.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
37. An International Woman's Day kick, and remember that HRC & Bill were America's 1st "co-presidency"
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:47 PM
Mar 2016

and look at how their "policies" have harmed so many of US-particularly people of color and women.

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