No 'Artful Smear.' Clintons Paid $153 Million in Speaking Fees, Analysis Shows (Lauren McCauley

[bobthedrummer]

February 6, 2016 Common Dreams)
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/02/06/no-artful-smear-clintons-paid-153-million-speaking-fees-analysis-shows

I'm happy to start this topic open for discussion again since we, the people now know many of those to whom she was paid by for her "speaking" to them.

Not us.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. Apparently, the investors think they're going to get a healthy return on their investments. .

[bobthedrummer]

7. They have for quite awhile Tierra_y_Libertad as many DUers have been stating over the years

Many of these same investors were spotlighted by Stephanie in her February 22, 2006 thread
UAE and BCCI>>>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x490176

[Armstead]

52. Either that or payment for services rendered

[Algernon Moncrieff]

2. What's your point?

I assure you that Barack Obama will make millions in speaking fees starting a year from now and how ever many days it takes to drag him off the golf course.

Celebrity politicians get paid to speak at corporate events. Usually, they talk about challenges, reaching goals, and how great America is. Everyone needs to get over this.

[tk2kewl]

3. you see no difference between doing it before your in office than after?

ok then

[Algernon Moncrieff]

21. Not particularly

[pdsimdars]

46. The only differences I see are those instances that have been pointed out

where Hillary has one view, then gets a lot of money and then votes the opposite way..
There have been a few very credible examples of this.

But other than the OBVIOUS ones, I remember Bernie saying in one debate that Wall Street must be very scared by Hillary telling them to "knock it off" and then giving her $15,000,000 for her campaign. .. . they must be really scared.

[JaneyVee]

50. The "artful smear" is insinuating speaking fees = corruption.

Which is what Bernie is trying to do....without a shred of evidence.

[EndElectoral]

53. The Soft Corruption of Clinton, Inc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/the-soft-corruption-of-clinton-inc_b_7215108.html

ELIZABETH WARREN The industry that gave the most money to Washington over the past few years was... credit [card banks].

BILL MOYERS: And Mrs. Clinton was one of them, as senator?

WARREN: She has taken money from these groups, and more to the point, she worries about them as a constituency.

MOYERS: So, can we ever have a government that works for everyday people... when our elected officials switch sides like that and pay more attention to the donors than to the voters?

WARREN: The government runs for those who can make their voices heard. And they mostly make their voices heard through their lobbyists, through their campaign contributions. And that means over and over and over the tilt is in favor of the rich and the powerful.

MOYERS: To be frank, Mrs. Clinton... is the embodiment of that establishment.

— Moyers and Company, PBS

Much in this link to ponder...

[bobthedrummer]

54. This one really answers a lot of questions that have been cultishly ignored EndElectoral

Catherine Austin Fitts doesn't have a problem telling us the truth about what she experienced
http://narconews.com/Issue40/article1650.html

[EndElectoral]

57. Thanks for the link. DU used to share useful info like this. Appreciate it.

[bobthedrummer]

59. Many of us still do share the truth regardless of everything else. That's one key function of

Congress (to inform the citizen) in a democracy.

[uponit7771]

56. Nope, neither does Sanders

[grasswire]

4. Obama will never be in a position to make policy.

See the difference?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

23. He will be in a position to lobby

And many policy makers will be beholden to him. So no - no difference

[grasswire]

24. how will policy makers be beholden to him? nt

[Algernon Moncrieff]

26. The most straightforward example: if he endorses the eventual election winner

Any President or Governor has appointed many Secretaries, Under Secretaries, and other bureaucratic functionaries. In the case of Obama officialdom of these folks will likely remain in DC even if there is an administration change. Others will go on to become congressional staffers, city manager types, and elected officials who can always be reminded who gave them their big break.

[Octafish]

5. ''Get over this.''

That's the problem: Wall Street loots the US Treasury with impunity while Main Street get austerity and we're supposed to get over it.

Perhaps were I a millionaire I wouldn't see a problem.

[RufusTFirefly]

6. Or a temporarily embarrassed millionaire

[bobthedrummer]

9. Howdy, Sir. I've been liberally posting some of your threads the past couple of days as a volunteer

[tk2kewl]

13. thanks for heads up the other day bob

new OP based on something you linked to: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511353473

- Tim

[bobthedrummer]

15. Faith, like truth, is powerful stuff indeed, and should be shared regardless of all else tk2kewl n/t

[tk2kewl]

16. i put my faith in people...

...and try my best to be worthy of theirs.

rock on...

[Octafish]

18. Feel free, Sir! Truth is what Democracy craves.

When a FOX pundit proclaimed I was a problem, I developed a new attitude about things.

[bobthedrummer]

19. Aye, aye Sir! n/t

[Algernon Moncrieff]

22. I'm not a millionaire. I don't see an issue

Elton John played Rush Limbaugh's wedding for $1M.

If I'm Hillary and I can get paid to talk, I'll talk.

[bobthedrummer]

69. I can't, Sir. n/t

[bobthedrummer]

8. I have a much broader vista and the benefit of history that is no longer hidden, Algernon Moncrieff

Thanks for dropping in today.

[shawn703]

61. The transcripts are obviously damaging

Otherwise she would have released them, and proven this was just an artful smear.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

64. Sanders supporters wound be mad if she read "Jack & Jill"

They subscribe to the misguided belief that Wall Street is evil. It's a shame they aren't equally scrupulous about their candidate's relationship with the NRA.

[Jefferson23]

10. As long as she wins, they don't care..their message is loud and clear. n/t

[bobthedrummer]

12. Lying certainly does send a message to all of US, Jefferson23. n/t

[Jefferson23]

14. People even once informed can still rationalize anything..fear works too often as well.

The grid lock is about corruption and the votes for her to champion against
that is disheartening..although some voting for her will benefit such as the elite and
a band aid will help the remainder...for the most part.


I wish there was a requirement that each candidate named who their
cabinet choices were before the primaries began.

[amborin]

65. that's the troubling attitude

[Jefferson23]

66. Her supporters did not care how Hillary ran her campaign against Obama, this one is

no different..sleazy once again.

[Dems to Win]

11. "Her deepest flaw is she doesn’t know it’s wrong."

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/23/its_the_corruption_stupid_hillarys_too_compromised_to_see_what_donald_trump_understands/

“It’s the corruption, stupid”: Hillary’s too compromised to see what Donald Trump understands
The key 2016 issue is outrage over a rigged system by special interests. There's a reason Hillary doesn't get it
BILL CURRY

snip....

Asked about her Goldman Sachs speaking fees, Hillary offered two rationales. One was the perennial favorite “everyone does it.” The other was equally flippant. (“That’s what they offered.”) Since leaving the White House she and Bill have hauled in $153 million in speaking fees. Her deepest flaw is she doesn’t know it’s wrong. As I’ve written twice here and said often elsewhere, I’ve great respect for her. Her flaw is denial, not dishonesty — but her denial runs deep.

This was written by Bill Curry, former White House Counsel in the Clinton Administration

[840high]

20. Interesting.

[BreakfastClub]

35. This guy is a Trump supporter. LOL nt

[Marr]

62. What do you base that on? /nt

[bobthedrummer]

68. Who ahh...

[BernieforPres2016]

37. Thanks for the link

Great article. That's the second one I've read today from Bill Curry. Something tells me he will not be offered a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, should there ever be one.

[bobthedrummer]

38. Share it with those you love...n/t

[pdsimdars]

47. I like that quote, I think Al Gore had it in his movie

That it can be hard to understand something when you are paid NOT to understand it.

[kgnu_fan]

17. K&R

[Skwmom]

25. Bill Clinton: 2009 - 2014: $27.8 Million Consulting Fees

[bobthedrummer]

27. ^^^

[bobthedrummer]

28. It stinks to high heaven, doesn't it? Why grab the bucks for spending a few hours with banksters,

war profiteers and worse and then "suggest" that TRUTH is a LIE?

[bobthedrummer]

29. CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE, MONEY DOESN'T TALK, IT SWEARS...PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS...

[bobthedrummer]

30. Love the truth, speak the truth, share the truth...

[bobthedrummer]

31. !

[bobthedrummer]

32. Two Clintons. 41 Years. $3 Billion. Inside The Clinton Donor Network (Washington Post 11-19-15)

"Both Clintons declined to be interviewed or comment for this article."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money

[bobthedrummer]

33. Kick

[bobthedrummer]

34. LONG ISLAND JOURNAL; An East-Ender Who's a Real Friend of Bill (Diane Ketcham 1998 NYT)

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/08/09/nyregion/long-island-journal-an-east-ender-who-s-a-real-friend-of-bill.html

[bobthedrummer]

36. We're still looking into it Hillary...

[bobthedrummer]

39. Inside Chelsea's Wedding Party (Lynnley Browning July 29, 2010 The Daily Beast)

"In the countdown to the big event, The Daily Beast has learned some new details about the bridesmaids, the flower girl and the truth about the guest list" The guest list is "priceless" TODAY

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/07/29/chelsea-clintons-bridesmaids-and-wedding-party.html

[bobthedrummer]

40. Clintons, Contras and Cocaine (Jeffrey St. Clair-Alexander Cockburn March 11, 2016 CounterPunch)

"Just as the BCCI trail heads back towards Arkansas and a prime cash register for the Clintons, so too does a long-running and explosive scandal within the state, involving money-laundering, drug-running and support for right-wing insurgents backed by the CIA."

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/11/clintons-contras-and-cocaine

Drip, drip, drip...

[bobthedrummer]

41. I don't trust you at all, Hillary Rodham Clinton. It's nothing personal or gender based. Kick.

[bobthedrummer]

42. When I saw the hugs and embraces shared at the funeral of Nancy Reagan with George Walker Bush

and other assorted unindicted war criminals and felons it offended me in many ways Madame Secretary because I do know a bit of history about the elitists you've historically traveled with that pay to hear the golden voices of you and Bill (whom I voted for twice).

A Whitewater Chronology (The Wall Street Journal May 28, 2003)

What really happened during the Clinton years
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122721127833145225

Gee, when he was a Senator John Kerry was the third richest of all elected to that position. I voted for him in 2004. Below is an article from October 21, 2004 by Lucy Komisar.

Election 2004: The Case That Kerry Cracked
"As a senator, John Kerry was a tenacious investigator and exposed BCCI..."

http://www.alternet.org/story/20268/the_case_that_kerry_cracked

I don't/can't trust you at all anymore. Go talk to your secretive political class pals about that-for a few more $$$.

[bobthedrummer]

43. Jeb Bush and the Murder of CIA Drug Smuggler Barry Seal in 1986 (Various links March 2013)

http://barrysealmurder1986jebbusholivernorth.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-bushes-oliver-north-bill-clinton.html

Let's talk, shall we? Not "speak". Not STFU and ignore your donor network that has laundered blood money.

Drip, drip, drip...

[bobthedrummer]

44. I NGU. n/t

[bobthedrummer]

45. It's a fact that some of those who paid the Clintons to "speak" were discussed here before 2016.

Here's one example that is still mighty, mighty important to those of US that didn't drink the kool aid.

BCCI, Iran Contra relevance: UAE, Saudi, Pakistan, money and Bush family (ProSense 10-7-2006 DU)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2870996

[Octafish]

48. What they say must be pure poetry.

That's a lot of money for any orator.

[bobthedrummer]

49. I know who Mary Jo White is, and some of what is publicly available about her career-which also had

much controversy that stemmed from President Clinton's final day in office and has continued to today and will be here tomorrow.

Bill Clinton pardon controversy (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy

[bobthedrummer]

51. "Art for art's sake, money for God's sake..."

[uponit7771]

55. Sounds like she's underpaid then

[seabeyond]

58. So?

[bobthedrummer]

60. Hello old friend! Thanks for the kick. Have a joyous Easter weekend. So here's a lol 4 ya+HRC2

[whistler162]

63. WOW... they paid that much in speakers fees!

couldn't they find cheaper speakers?

[bobthedrummer]

67. I got my undergrad at UWGB, I'm a Badger, for this kick "LET"S GO RED!" n/t