2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDoes Hillary Still Belong to The Family aka The Fellowship? Worse than Goldwater.
The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power
Did you know that the National Prayer Breakfast is sponsored by a shadowy cabal of elite Christian fundamentalists? Jeff Sharlet's new book, "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power," offers a rare glimpse of this remarkable network, which is known variously as the Family, the Fellowship and the International Foundation.
The Family was founded 70 years ago by Abraham Vereide, a Norwegian immigrant evangelist based in Seattle. In 1935, Vereide said, God appeared to him in a vision and revealed where Christianity had gone wrong: preoccupation with the poor, the weak and the suffering.
The down-and-out were in no position to bring about the Kingdom of God, Vereide realized. ...(God's) new plan was to target men who were already powerful and turn them to God -- and wouldn't you know it, God hated unions, too. ...The Family does not publish membership lists, and its members are sworn to secrecy, so a full accounting is impossible.
Sen. Hillary Clinton has been involved with the Family since 1993 when, as first lady, she joined a White House prayer circle for political wives. Clinton has also sought spiritual counseling from the current head of the Family, Doug Coe. Sharlet argues that Clinton's longtime association with the Family has helped her forge working relationships with powerful religious conservatives such as Family member and anti-abortion crusader Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas. ...
The Family also runs a house on C Street in Washington, D.C. The C Street Center has housed a number of federal legislators, including Sen. John Ensign of Nevada. Residents allege that the center is just a cheap place to live, but as an Ivanwald brother, Sharlet saw firsthand that the center is a religious community. As far as the IRS is concerned, the C Street Center is a church.
http://www.alternet.org/story/87665/worse_than_fascists%3A_christian_political_group_'the_family'_openly_reveres_hitler
Hillary's Nasty Pastorate
The Family's most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer
Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes
on behind the scenes -- knitting together international networks of rightwing
leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family
reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that
exemplary leader, Adolph Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole
bestiary of murderous thugs. As Sharlet reported in Harper's in 2003:During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government
and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's
postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with
Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American
leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred
thousand "Communists" killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous
dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During
the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S.
government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova,
convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general
Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to
both the CIA and death squads before his own demise.
At the heart of the Family's American branch is a collection of powerful
rightwing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese,
John Ashcroft, James Inhofe, and Rick Santorum. They get to use the Family's
spacious estate on the Potomac, the Cedars, which is maintained by young men in
Family group homes and where meals are served by the Family's young women's
group. And, at the Family's frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts
of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already-powerful.
Clinton fell in with the Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group
composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When
she ascended to the senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's
"most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his
downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been
a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, the Family's
publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a
genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or
faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."
Furthermore, the Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward
legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious
freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth
control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Surely The Family supports family stuff. See? Family is in their name! Why do you hate America?
sarcasm
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Good post 99th! Thanks! The Family is one scary ass outfit.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Mahatma Gandhi ~ "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)and Mahatma Gandhi knew
merrily
(45,251 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)probably internet mischief/bs, like attributing that definition of insanity to Einstein.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Calling something a lie when you don't know.
Link please "NO ONE can find that comment"
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/22155-i-like-your-christ-i-do-not-like-your-christians
Here is another one I like -
Mahatma Gandhi ~ "First they ignore you, then laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
merrily
(45,251 posts)https://www.google.com/search?q=Quotes+Sayings+incorrectly+attributed+to+Ghandi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
You'll find many sources there.
BTW, no one can source to Ghandi the quote in your Reply 88 either. Sorry!
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)"A 1926 review [1] by the Reverend W.P. King (then pastor of the First Methodist Church of Gainesville, Georgia) of E. Stanley Jones's The Christ of the Indian Road (published in 1925 by The Abington Press, New York City) includes the following,
Dr. Jones says that the greatest hindrance to the Christian gospel in India is a dislike for western domination, western snobbery, the western theological system, western militarism and western race prejudice. Gandhi, the great prophet of India, said, "I love your Christ, but I dislike your Christianity." The embarrassing fact is that India judges us by our own professed standard. In reply to a question of Dr. Jones as to how it would be possible to bring India to Christ, Gandhi replied: First, I would suggest that all of you Christians live more like Jesus Christ. Second, I would suggest that you practice your Christianity without adulterating it. The anomalous situation is that most of us would be equally shocked to see Christianity doubted or put into practice. Third, I would suggest that you put more emphasis on love, for love is the soul and center of Christianity. Fourth, I would suggest that you study the non-Christian religions more sympathetically in order to find the good that is in them, so that you might have a more sympathetic approach to the people."
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=61900
merrily
(45,251 posts)First, finding someone attributing a remark to Ghandi is not the same as sourcing the remark to Ghandi. I can find many, many attributions to Ghandi online, including your own post.
Second, the material at the link you provided concludes that either this was an early apocryphal source or a mistake. Besides, the sources at your link are posters, like me and you.
You want to keep spreading disinformation around the internet, I can't stop you, but I can try.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Imo of course. Probably safe to assume she's still with them unless there's evidence she renounced her association
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)New Apostolic Reformation (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation
False prophets and worse imho.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)/... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1831053
(apologies for grammar)
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)I also heard that once, in 3rd grade, it really was Hillary Rodham who stole the cookie from the cookie jar.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)The truth can be very uncomfortable sometimes.
Their candidate uses the same technique.
https://m.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)we can add the Stonecutters, Lizard people and the cookie heist it to Hillary's very factual relationship with the Fellowship theocracy.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Oopsie!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Demoiselle
(6,787 posts)And I say that as a life-long hereditary liberal Democrat. (All the way back to the Farm Labor Party in the Twenties
not that I was alive then, but family members certainly were
)
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)So Hillary evolved on that too..... huh.
longship
(40,416 posts)I will gladly support and vote for her in the GE if she gets the nomination, even though she is far from my favorite. And that has nothing to do with her evolution, but where she refuses to evolve. She's not a very good candidate, IMHO. But we all knew that after 2008.
She may win the nomination, but I just pray that she has not pissed off so many Democrats and Independents that the GOP wins the White House and everything else.
Then, we really will be utterly screwn!
I suggest Hillary supporters start sucking up to the Bernie supporters now. You are going to need us. A bit of groveling wouldn't hurt, but I would not require that myself. However, I do not know how much groveling Hillary could do to repair the damage.
She had better think very, very hard on this. I just don't know if there is enough to insure a November victory. She and her surrogates have utterly pissed off quite a few devoted Bernie supporters.
Myself, I am quite worried and very disappointed, but not pissed off. The pissed I reserve for the GOP candidate once the nominations become clear. I reserve the right to be disappointed in the Democratic candidate. It won't be the first time.
Let's stay together, folks.
Yup! Goldwater said that!
jalan48
(13,873 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Do you have any links debunking those provided in the OP?
*apologies to Richard Pryor
longship
(40,416 posts)Now one can dispute that if one wants, or maybe people can just discuss what an insidious group this is.
If I were a presidential nominee who did not want to be associated with theocracy, I would not go near them.
YMMV, as well as Hillary's.
N.B., I will still vote for her if she gets the nomination, but it won't be easy other than the fact that I will be voting straight Democratic.
If she loses to Trump, I won't have the blame cast on me.
I just don't like theocrats that much.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,305 posts)If this organization has so much power behind the scenes, why haven't they been able to stop the Congressional investigations targeting Hillary?
Would a right winged religious organization made up mostly of men want to put a woman in the position Hillary is going for?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)JCMach1
(27,560 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)If you read the articles you'll see what I mean.
Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #27)
JCMach1 This message was self-deleted by its author.
FangedNoumenom
(145 posts)Hillary Romney Clinton
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Beyond that in the context of not just her flag burning legislation, but also her husband's communications decency act, her statements in the 90s about video games, as well as her comments this cycle hand-waving away "free speech et cetera" concerns, I think she owes us a clarification of her support for the first Amendment, which I think should be unequivocal and unwavering in any candidate we nominate.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)So I doubt she'd ever consent to such a thing or volunteer it.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Just as she joined the prayer breakfasts while in the Senate. Hillary is a woman of faith, she doesn't wear it on her sleeve, but anyone who knows her is aware that her faith is important to her. Those breakfasts were attended by a mix group of senators and politics was not allowed. Although the majority who attended were the more conservative senators. At one of these events Sam Brownback, one of the senators who pushed for Bill's impeachment and now governor of KS, stood up and apologized to her for having "hated" her and her husband.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)headquarted in Washington, that caters to politicians and is not political. Sure.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Rilgin
(787 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:28 PM - Edit history (1)
If she is religious she sure has a hard time understanding the values presented as christian.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)No matter what Hillary does, it offends some of you. So, who gives a fig anymore?
Rilgin
(787 posts)That seems to be the difference. I would rather be on my side of a lot of her votes and stances. Those particular votes offend me in a Democratic party candidate.
You don't seem to have a problem with anything that is pointed put to you that should give you at least some questions
polly7
(20,582 posts)have and are being used and who suffers most.
Rilgin
(787 posts)Many of her votes were problematic but she could make up an excuse. This vote had no excuses. It was a single bill for a humanitarian purpose. Every democrat should have voted for the ban.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)No, she just associates, prays and admires their theologists ..... and theology.
She has written of Doug Coe, the Family's
publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a
genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or
faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."
BTW.... all this was reported back during the C-Street House sexual rendezvous scandal.... back in 2009? was it?
Merryland
(1,134 posts)the more bizarre she seems to be.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Not all of them are Christian either.
Duval
(4,280 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)have you ever seen her reflection in a mirror? she also seems to avoid them - very clever of her.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)there is a picture that has her and Bill setting on a WH veranda praying so the press can see. If I am not mistaken the caption talks about her involvement with the Family. I have no idea how to find the link. Sorry.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)great white snark
(2,646 posts)Very telling how you choose to spend your time in these waning hours for Bernie but hey, get in as many as you can under the wire.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I hadn't seen this at all recently on DU. Have you?
Maybe I missed it.
I just thought I recalled something about this from long ago, and so was curious if
I was remembering correctly ,. and I pretty much remembered it right.
Duval
(4,280 posts)togetherforever
(71 posts)Learned something new about her.
Thank you for posting this
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I thought I recalled something about this weirdness from years ago, and so was curious if
I was remembering it correctly .. and yep .. there it was on my googles.
Vinca
(50,285 posts)Apparently, in addition to wearing a flag pin, one must beat their breast and wave their Bible to be an acceptable politician. It's especially sickening after reading Sharlet's book.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)which appears innocuous enough .. I mean hell, we all need more prayers right? .. esp.
if we're the President .. but as you know from Sharlet's book, it goes so much deeper than
that, and is all secretive about it.
And Hillary was apparently welcomed into The Family's "most elite cell", whatever the hell
that means.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)a lull in anti-hillary stories.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)But since these posts are so plentiful & you're so familiar with
them, would you mind providing a link so I can check out my
what 'competition' is up to?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I'm on my phone but I'll see what I can do.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025110375&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiEzIOviZnLAhVK6yYKHb-XC-0QFggpMAI&usg=AFQjCNEcS3S0Fma5VK9QJ2D7B-MFdDgySA
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D132x5299324&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiEzIOviZnLAhVK6yYKHb-XC-0QFggfMAE&usg=AFQjCNEsrokF83XtfL1WlCwkdY1DXks9rw
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)much appreciated.
Two are from 2015 summer and one from '08. Yes, I did miss them, so
again, it's good to know this has come up before. I honestly didn't know.
BTW- how do you deal with that this group is reported to "Openly Revere
Hitler"? Doesn't that raise any questions?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I want to make sure I'm actually researching the right group. Just throwing those keywords into Google will lead me to some dark places.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)This AlterNet link has reference to the Hitler thing, in the headline actually...
http://www.alternet.org/story/87665/worse_than_fascists%3A_christian_political_group_'the_family'_openly_reveres_hitler
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)HRC has some serious issues, especially from a foreign policy standpoint.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I'll look for it.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)As a retired Soldier I will say that not only does a lot of this make sense it rings very true especially pushing the Christian doctrine as far as possible. What I got from HRC is that this group gleamed her as a "third gender type" (wtf in itself) because she wasn't just a woman but could hold a conversation when it came to business/politics & other than some prayer breakfasts there may have been some counseling by a guy named Come (got to learn about him).
Now is there more info into Hillary's involvement because I have been subjected to more than my fair share of those things due to them conveniently labeled mental fitness training or some crap. While they may not have been mandatory for her it may have been a way to get her foot into a very tight good old boys club?
As I said I believe this is a very real organization, I'm just looking for as much information as I can.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)looking for as much information as I can.
I keep thinking I've reached the bottom, the worse .. but then another layer to the
onion keeps showing up, and I go ... "hmm. what's this?"
With Hillary "the more I see, the less I like" meme seems to hold a lot of water. But
i am genuinely curious, not just "building a case" out of thin air.
I/we may need to live with her for 4-8 years in the WH -- which I doubt, but still..
forewarned is forearmed, or something like that.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)What I wouldn't understand is if HRC is really deep into this & there is some sort of ties to the thought processes or vision of Hitler why does HRC have such an alliegence to Israel?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)However I don't always equate being "Pro-Israel" as necessarily being pro-Jewish.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)for a time, within his sphere of operations.
Absolute power is what such people crave.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)That would be David Coe, Doug's son and the more visible head of The Family, the semi-secret group of fundamentalist nutwads who believe they are chosen by God to control the world.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)The Headline of the Alternate article reads: "Worse Than Fascists: Christian Political
Group 'The Family' Openly Reveres Hitler
Holy cripes ... I'd be concerned if I were supporting Hillary, but apparently this has been
somehow adequately "explained" and it's no big deal
I seriously do. not. get. it.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Jeff Sharlet's book on the group is good reading, although quite chilling.
The group also has a connection to a house in Washington, D.C., known as C Street. Owned by a foundation affiliated with the Family, C Street is officially registered as a church; in practice, it serves as a meeting place and residence for politicians like South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, Nevada Sen. John Ensign and Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Thank you for sharing what you know.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Trashing Barack Obama in his presence. I suspect Obama had to go along with this sham to try to keep the whack jobs from saying he is a Muslim. As if they would stop saying it no matter what he did.
I didn't know the background of this annual ceremony. Thanks for the post.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I didn't know that piece. and you're welcome for the OP ... yet another layer to the Clinton
onion of questionable connections.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)I saw it on the DU!!!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)But when it comes to Hillary actually BEING a RWer & DOING what RWers DO ..
.. and belonging to their RW secretive organizations ... hey, no problemo.
Sometimes you guys crack me up.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)The New Apostolic Reformation (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)anti Constitutional organization, past or present.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Two Clintons. 41 Years. $3 Billion. Inside The Clinton Donor Network (Washington Post November 2015)
"Both Clintons declined to be interviewed or comment for this article."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)because they'd likely be asked if they now "denounce" The Family & it's RW agenda for America.
That would put them in a tight spot.