To my fellow Hillary supporters: leave Bernie supporters alone

[auntpurl]

I haven't posted here in years, although I always lurk for election season. The last time I posted regularly was around the 2008 primaries (under a different name).

I was a Hillary supporter back then, too. When it became clear Obama was going to be our nominee but Hillary hadn't conceded yet, I was heartbroken, but what made it worse on DU was that SOME Obama supporters were bragging, jeering, and shoving it in our faces 24/7. I finally made an OP that said something like "Shut up, we're going to vote for him!"

The sentiment of that post back then was that it was extremely likely that most Democrats would rally around the Dem nominee when it came to the GE, but would NOT be swayed by bullying to declare their loyalty.

I see the same thing happening this primary season, only in the other direction. I am thrilled that things look very optimistic for Hillary's campaign. But I see no need for the CONSTANT "Bernie is toast. Declare your loyalty to Hillary NOW" posts that are littering GDP.

People need time to get their heads around this (and when I say this, I do not mean "the inevitable victory of Hillary". This thing is not over yet). Back the hell off, give them some time to lick their wounds, do not invade every one of their Bernie-positive threads to gloat.

Part of the reason for the gloating is that things have been so nasty on DU this primary season. Everyone wants to get back their own when they feel like they've been attacked, but it is honestly more politically prudent AND better for the soul to not give in to that temptation.

Yes, I'm lecturing, but I'm old and I have that prerogative now. All I mean is, let this thing play out. It's the Democratic process, and it will avoid even more rancour than we already have. Sure, there are a lot of hard-core progressives who might not vote for Hillary, but most Dems, even loyal Bernie supporters, will support the Dem nominee in the GE. I voted for Obama in 2008 and I sure as hell didn't want to at the time (I like him a lot more now than I did then and enjoyed my 2012 vote a lot more). I voted for Kerry, I voted for Gore, I voted for Clinton (Bill) twice. I'm a Dem, born and raised. That ain't never gonna change. I think a lot of people on this board are the same. Just give them some time, and let the process play out as it should in a DEMOCRATIC country.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents, for what it's worth. Peace.

[Punkingal]

1. It's worth much...thank you!

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Thanks!

[TDale313]

3. Thank you. I appreciate this. n/t

[MADem]

4. The only time I see those kinds of posts, AP, is when BS posters demand that

HRC-ers "Feel The Bern," or insult HRC's record, experience, or husband. It's usually a response to an attack.

There's plenty of shit-flinging to go around. That said, I do think that there's no hope for civil discourse on this board, and no hope that any leadership will emerge from those with the ability to affect change to fix what is a hot mess here. Over at KOS, that Kos guy has apparently stepped in to put people on time-out and booted a few to regain a degree of civility.

If we don't have a nominee soon, I wonder if DU will survive.

[Kall]

6. Then you're not looking very hard.

[MADem]

8. I see what I see. nt

[Kall]

20. Yes, we know.

And the same kind of selective indignation seems to apply to attacks by Democrats on universal health care.

[MADem]

24. Now you're trying to suggest that policy differences are heretical.

I'm not buying that.

[Kall]

25. I'd suggest you not try to defend the indefensible here.

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[PonyUp]

42. They don't see that either.

[think]

58. First time I've listened to this. Thank you /nt

[MADem]

68. I'd suggest you take your own acerbic advice. nt

[Kall]

70. What does that even mean?

Sure, ignore her own indignant words.

[choie]

37. you see what you WANT to see

n/t

[MADem]

61. I see that majority rules here--and by rules, I mean swarms/alerts and hides. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

43. .

[Kentonio]

10. The only time you see those posts?

Ironic considering you're one of the people who most frequently make them.

[beltanefauve]

40. Beat me to it

[840high]

50. I know.

[pangaia]

51. Touche....

[MADem]

63. I get my posts hidden for talking about candidates, not DUers.

I make it a point to not engage in personal insult or invective. I don't get the same consideration in return, as you've so clearly demonstrated.

" " to quote you....

[Duval]

67. Isn't that the truth!!

[auntpurl]

11. It was extremely nasty in 2008

I mean, extremely. People don't remember it that clearly, maybe. In addition to the normal fighting of people who really loved their candidate, there was a whole heap of sexism AND racism on top of it.

DU survived. People will be pissed off for a while, but I do believe we will elect a Dem president (I'll be happy to vote for either candidate, tho' I prefer Hillary) and everything will calm down.

Also, the site runners WILL step in once we have a nominee. That's part of the site rules.

I agree, some of the attacks on Hillary have been very nasty, but I think the loyalty oath posts and gloating on the other side are quite nasty as well. When I was younger, I loved getting into feverish political debates, but now I'm older, I find the extreme hostility and namecalling very unpleasant.

Just wait 'til after the primaries; it'll get better. Peace.

[MADem]

16. I remember it--I took a break it was so ugly, but it was nothing like this.

The divisions back then were mostly between actual DUers, people whose names were familiar here, and who had been here for a while-- not socks, trolls, and people who will be gone come November, probably for good.

I don't know if DU will survive, unless their funding stream comes mostly from ads. I can't see people willing to continue to donate to a website, invest their time and energy into making it a community, to see five trolls vote five times to shut them up when they haven't said anything 'rude/hurtful/disruptive' etc., but simply said something that was less-than-laudatory, yet entirely FACTUAL, about another candidate.

Someone with zero investment in this place can vote to silence you not based on anything you have said, but based on who you support. That's wrong and unfair. Who would donate to a place that has as a mantra "Might makes right?"

I'm no spring chicken myself, but I still believe that Fair is Fair. And the minority groups here have not been treated fairly at all. I wish the admins would exercise a little discretion and allow for some equality of opportunity, because the deck is plainly stacked against some, and it's just not right.

[JonLeibowitz]

27. Ah yes, the "we were on this website first so we're purer and better" approach.

[MADem]

29. If the shoe does not fit you, I would recommend you not push

others aside and grab it and attempt to wedge your foot into it.

Which is what you're doing with that post of yours.

[JonLeibowitz]

33. I have no idea what your post means. n/t

[MADem]

66. It's not always about "you." nt

[HERVEPA]

78. Your posts are ugly, and they will only beget ugly.

[MADem]

95. What a charming personal insult. And you're talking about "ugly?"

HERVEPA
78. Your posts are ugly, and they will only beget ugly.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

31. I believe Hillary ran a racist campaign against Barack Obama. She, her husband and their campaign...

...and I will NEVER forgive them for that. However, the attacks on black voters from the Sanders supporters have been over the top, worse than what I saw back in 2008, and that's saying a lot.

I do not support Hillary Clinton.
I do not support Bernie Sanders (though I was leaning Sanders for awhile).

That said, I think it will be important that we all come together after this primary season.

BUT...the attacks on black voters must stop and both sides are guilty.

[angrychair]

53. I am a Sanders supporter

I have never said anything racist or derogatory towards people of color.

I am also an old school DUer, I was here long before the 2008 election cycle. I supported Obama long before most.

You are letting what I know to be a few outlier comments from supposed supporters of Sanders on an Internet discussion board determine how you vote for a candidate? If that is the case glad you were not here in 2007 and 2008. The racist and hateful things said about Obama were more than over the top.
Despite the conjecture from some HRC supporters that "this is worse this time against Clinton than it was against Obama in 2008" is bullshit. You can only sell that crap to someone that wasn't here. 2008 was the most significant schism event in DU's existence. It lead to The Purge. Our very own PUMA walkout. It was disgusting.

All that being said, I think this is going to big. Maybe not as big as 2008 but big. A lot are not going to vote for Clinton. Not just people here. Everywhere. Disenfranchised voters will not even go to the polls. It will be clogged with teapublicans to vote against HRC, not for tRump which is an important difference to note. They will also vote a straight teapublican ticket.

Nominating Clinton puts the Senate and House out of reach for decades.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

72. Not just a few Bernie supporters. There have been MANY of them who have been disrespectful

of black voters.

If Sanders loses and you guys want to whine and stomp off like children, then that's your choice, of course.

You're right in general: We're all responsible for our own actions and our votes.

[angrychair]

91. Sorry

You don't get to make broad, slanderous statements and walk away unchallenged.
Specifically, how we're they disrespectful? How many were?

Even if there were a couple hundred, you lump in the millions that support Sanders with them? Most importantly, you ignored my point about the difference between a candidate and a supporter.
You may disagree with him on policy but he is not a racist.

FYI, I do not let a single hateful thing a Clinton supporter says about Sanders impact my opinion of her. My disagreement is specifically with her on her policy and her judgement. Nothing more.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

93. Many Sanders fanatics will have to come to terms with the fact that slavery is over.

You cannot tell black voters what to do.

[PaulaFarrell]

100. oh please

That is a ridiculous statement.

[Stellar]

102. Ridiculous...true, yet it happens all the time. eom

[PaulaFarrell]

104. what happens all the time?

Bernie supporters telling people how they think they should vote? This is a political discussion board. Trying to morph that into Sanders supporters are racist and patriarchal and view blacks as slaves is ridiculous.

[Stellar]

109. If you don't understand it...

..you must be a Sanders supporter/fanatic. Sorry, I can't help you.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

111. I'll say it again: SLAVERY IS OVER! White liberals cannot tell black people what to do.

[PaulaFarrell]

118. and if a man tells me i should vote for Hillary

Because of xyz I might tell him to stuff his opinion but I wouldn't think he thought woman should not have equal rights.

[jack_krass]

115. Oh.give me a fucking break

This being politics, the bottom line is that advocates for a cadidate essentially *tell voters what to do* both directly and indirectly. This applies at and individual and at a 'bloc' level, and not only to AA demo, but to any electorally significant group(southern whites is a good example).

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

116. SLAVERY. IS. OVER!!!!!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

117. I do not let a single hateful thing a Clinton supporter says about Sanders impact my opinion of her

Oh please! You Sanders fanatics have been the biggest crybabies ever!

[giftedgirl77]

101. Don't you love it when they play victim?

Damn if you weren't the one that did it the comment isn't about you.

This place was nasty yesterday & the worst part is they will be the first one's to scream & point HRC is a racist.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

110. Tuesday needs to get here soon.

[Chicago1980]

54. Barack Obama chose her as Secretary of State, so his feelings were hurt a lot less than yours.

[TheBlackAdder]

64. That deal was worked out to mend the party prior to the GE, setting the stage for this cycle. nt

[Chicago1980]

76. Actually the party was healed as the general election had already taken place.

You can't choose someone to be Secretary of State if you haven't been elected.

Your timetable is off.

It was after the general and before the inauguration that she was picked by Obama.

[TheBlackAdder]

87. The timetable is not off. Deals were made after the primaries as all politicians do. nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

71. My feelings aren't hurt. I live my life just fine.

[iAZZZo]

47. "or insult HRC's record....."

c'mon MADem, y'know the hillary rodham clinton record is one of abysmal flux and remarks pertaining to her "record" is not "shit-flinging" but accuity vis-a-vis her variegated 'evolution(s)'

"civil discourse on this board" would require all the bullshit animated gif's and one-line/no-text titled snarks that masquerade as substance from the hillary clinton brigade to have never started and - at least for now - abstain

it would also require her supporters on this forum - as well as hillary and her campaign - to remember her statement (so, so qualified) from last fall on face the nation re: negative campaigning:

as well, regarding campaign manager fallon, what is the proper response to his infantile allegation to sanders, "Diss Obama by day, do poor man's imitation of 2008 campaign by night."



sorry, hillary and her campaign is not presidential

[MADem]

59. I don't even understand that post. Not sure why you're aggrieved.

Hillary is presidential and if she prevails, which I think is likely, she'll be a superb leader.

People supporting HRC don't dare say much of anything on this board, because they are alert swarmed and their posts hidden for simply stating a contrary view of this contest.

That's not on them, because they're not the ones doing the alerting/swarming/hiding.

[cui bono]

92. mmkay...

.

[JohnnyLib2]

5. Great advice and perspective. Thanks!

[chillfactor]

7. look whose talking....

bernie supporters slam hillary all the time....it goes both ways....

[PDittie]

15. Who's going to need who more

if/when she's the nominee?

Some people aren't going to respond well if they're guilt-tripped with "SCOTUS" ...

[Chicago1980]

56. We're all going to need one another.

It's time to understand that. Being pissy and staying home instead of voting helps no one.

SCOTUS is an important factor...

The ACA is an important factor...

Restoring voting rights is an important factor...

Keeping Roe vs Wade intact is an important factor...

To me it seems that 'some people' need to open their eyes.

[Jester Messiah]

88. The SCOTUS dog won't hunt anymore.

Not now that a Dem president tried to put a GOP'er up for the court. No sign could be clearer - we need to exercise discernment when choosing our candidates beyond scanning for a (D) behind their names.

[jillan]

9. Thank you! Thinking back to 2008 I remember even after it was clear that Obama would win &

Hillary remained in the race - the one thing we all agreed on is that the competition was making Obama a stronger candidate for the GE.

Hillary needs to be challenged. This GE is promising to be nastier than most.

[PowerToThePeople]

12. Loyalty oaths are just a sign of her failure as a quality candidate.

#Bernie2016

[Chicago1980]

57. Purity tests are a failure of the electorate.

[berni_mccoy]

13. As one of those Obama supporters who probably did that...

I am sorry and I apologize.

As a Bernie supporter, thank you. You have made today a brighter day.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. It is actually much, much worst

anecdotal, but I saw this percolate to my meat department, and when that happens we have crossed into the twilight zone.

And that will make it very hard for some folks to vote for whoever wins the nomination, I pointed this out, and she loses, she needs that turnout, I will blame them for it.

But I observe this stuff. I see the British flag, so if you are not in the US, well when this ugliness happens at a suburban supermarket in SoCal... and yes I posted a long post and pointed this out.

[stonecutter357]

17. no thanks.

[NurseJackie]

35. But in the spirit of this thread, I pledge to ...

Leave Britney Alone!

[choie]

38. ah yes, one of the best

examples of the type of supporter the OP is talking about.

[stonecutter357]

39. it is gdp, lol

[Bluenorthwest]

49. That does not stand for Good Deportment Prohibited.

nt

[NurseJackie]

48. Ha!! :-D

Oh, you're sweet!

[Logical]

74. And THAT is my perfect image of a Hillary supporter! nt

[stonecutter357]

77. "back atcha'.'"

[jsmirman]

18. I agree

No need to be premature, no need to not give people their space.

I wish some of you could be more respectful of our reasons for supporting Hillary, but there's a time for everything. Sometimes it is not the time for a particular thing.

[libdem4life]

19. I deem you our current Senior Stateswoman. Thank you. nt

[book_worm]

21. True--just like the Bernie supporters behaved when they won NH?

but you are right.

[NurseJackie]

22. Maybe later ... but not yet.

[itsrobert]

23. Yup, let them vent

It's to be expected.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

26. Can you also please tell them to leave African American voters alone, since the Bernie supporters

won't listen to us?

Thanks.

[still_one]

32. LOL. How true.

[Logical]

75. Links please. nt

[Stellar]

112. First tell me, how does one ...

pick post, from different articles on different sites, all over the net? AND, which articles were they, can't remember there were many hundreds of them. The articles weren't about Bernie supporters, Bernie's supporters were posting to them and insulting everybody that didn't walk lock-step with them. Geezz!

[retrowire]

28. knr thank you nt

[still_one]

30. The only issue exception I make is with those threads that won't vote for the Democratic nominee in

the general election if it wasn't ant their candidate in n the primaries

[davidthegnome]

34. With respect...

I'm not licking any wounds yet! It's too early for me to be wounded. I appreciate the intent of your OP though.

Also... this is definitely a two way thing, there's a lot of nasty posts directed at both sides here. I've been guilty of making one or two myself.

Yeah, I'm definitely a Sanders supporter. For all my disagreements with Clinton and Clinton supporters though... if she wins the nomination, she'll get my vote. In the meantime, Sanders is still in this thing, my guy hasn't lost yet. In fact, I have faith that he can pull off one heck of a shock and still win this thing. Not over till it's over, you know?

Thanks for your good natured, empathetic post. Me, I'm beginning to rather enjoy the snark and frequent arguments here. I don't know why, maybe I'm just feeling argumentative lately. Maybe I want to be difficult. Maybe it breaks up the boredom in my life.

Anyhow. K & R.

[mercuryblues]

36. oh. you mean like this?

I too would like to thank the Hillary Clinton group


That is directed at HRC supporters. Words used to describe HRC supporters
disgusting; swallowing the establishment unity crap, dirty, Go where you belong...support Rubio, not real democrats, Democrat in name only, craven. desperate, pathetic, petty, sheep, skulking.


Topped off with a go to hell HRC supporters.

All neatly wrapped up in one post. 165 likes.

I was only leaning towards HRC. Every time I saw shit like this it pushed me further and further towards her. Now if Bernie loses, they have nothing but themselves and the small tent they pitched to blame.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280123955

[SunSeeker]

45. ^^^THIS^^^

[ucrdem]

81. Seriously.

[NurseJackie]

82. Thank you! (Yes, that was a disgusting post...

... and apparently it handily survived an alert too. Go figure.)

[mercuryblues]

85. yup

I replaced Bernie's name with Hillary's and posted it. Hidden within 5 minutes. That post has been up since Monday with 165 likes. The poster has been removed by MIRT, yet the op has tons of support and cheers. Yet somehow the Hillary supporters are the ones who are being divisive.

[jack_krass]

120. Golly gee, another low postcount troll

Posing as a Bernie supporter spewing outrageous/racist diatribes.

This is fooling nobody, except those that want to be fooled (see replies to your post besides mine)

[mercuryblues]

121. Are the

165 people that recc'ed the OP also trolls? How about all the positive feedback, from Bernie supporters? How about the Jury that let it stand? The OP might have been a troll, but he was a well loved one. No one forced them to K&R it like it was. That was all done happily and more than willingly.

[nightscanner59]

41. I'd be highly suspicious of that level of rhetorical anger being from anything but

Some RW sock puppet planting seeds of discontent in the opponent's garden.

[potone]

44. Thank you, I appreciate that.

I would also like to remind people of two things: in the 2008 primary season, there was a lot of pressure from Obama supporters on DU for Hillary to drop out before the primaries were done. Even though I supported Obama, I didn't agree with that. As I stated on another thread, it is very frustrating for those of us who live in states that have primaries after Super Tuesday to be told, in effect, that we should not have a say in who are nominee is. Those of us on the west coast (and some other states as well) end up being excluded from having our votes count if the other candidate(s) all drop out after super Tuesday.

I would ask all DUers to respect the right of ALL of us to have our vote count in this process, not just those who have early primaries or caucuses.

Again, I thank you for this thread. After this is over, we will all need to work together to defeat whichever horrific Republican ends up being the nominee. It will be hard to do so if the supporters of one candidate feel that they have been ridden roughshod over.

[Wibly]

46. I'd be more concerned about Clinton censorship

What I'm noticing is that Hilary supporters seem to be getting very insecure, to the point where they are banning posters from the Clinton thread if they so much as ask a question about Clinton. Any perceived challenge to the notion that Clinton should be the nominee is being met with a staunch blocking protocol.
Dissent is being crushed, which is not a good sign in a democratic process. They are censoring people, from what I've seen, who are simply asking questions. To the point where there is a lead post in the Clinton threads about how its useless to even attempt to do anything on those forums that goes beyond cheerleading Hilary.
Even suggesting what happened last time could happen again is sending Clinton supporters into a talespin, and revealing how insecure and unstable the notion of a Clinton ascension really is.
If anything, with this sort of behavior, the Clinton support group is demonstrating that even they, deep down, have some inkling that Clinton will not be successful.

[Duval]

73. Very well said. nt

[mac56]

113. Absolutely.

I responded to a thread with some kindly, non-confrontational, complimentary comments about Sanders. Moments later, I discovered two things: 1 - Without realizing it, I had responded to a post in the Hillary group; and 2 - I had immediately been banned from that group.

Up till that point I had only positive impressions of Hillary supporters. Can't say that anymore.

Wasn't it Bill who said, "Democrats fall in love - Republicans fall in step"?

[Chicago1980]

52. I agree and I thank you for this post.

I think it gets frustrating for many people. I lean Hillary, but would without hesitation vote for Bernie if were to be the nominee. As Randi Rhodes ha said, "you fall in love and then you fall in line".

I'm pretty drained from the negativity that's come from supporters of both candidates over the past few months. We're not enemies.

I wasn't on social media for the 2008 or 2012 election, and maybe it was like this back then, but things seems so contentious and nasty.

I get flabbergasted when Sanders supporters say they'll under no circumstances vote for Hillary if she gets the nod. I've even heard some say they'll vote Trump instead. I've seen a few post from Clinton supporters saying they'll never support a 'socialist'.

There's too much at stake here, including SCOTUS, and personally I don't see how anyone could willingly want to throw the election to the republicans because of some self imposed 'purity test' on the candidates.

Your two cents is a bit more valuable than you think.

[ebayfool]

55. Well, this thread degenerated quickly, didn't it?

But your heart was in a good place, I give ya that!

[MADem]

60. Expressing a contrary view in a polite manner is not "degeneration."

No one is attacking the poster--which makes for a change.

[ebayfool]

90. A call for comity met with the kitchen sink? Yeah, it degenerated. If you felt the need to challenge

such a mild observation as mine ... it degenerated. Which makes for no change.

But then, I'm done - go nip at someone else's ankles.

[MADem]

94. You're calling the comments in this thread "the kitchen sink?"

I haven't seen any slash and burn remarks directed at the thread starter or Senator Sanders in this thread.

And no one was "mean" to you. Disagreement isn't 'degeneration.' It's conversation--which is what is supposed to happen on discussion boards.

But dismissive comments, like, oh, let's see--YOURS-- likening me to a dog nipping at your ankles? Well, that's "mild" to you, that kind of .... cough....denegration?

OK, sure, whatever.

ebayfool
90. A call for comity met with the kitchen sink? Yeah, it degenerated. If you felt the need to challenge
View profile
such a mild observation as mine ... it degenerated. Which makes for no change.

But then, I'm done - go nip at someone else's ankles.

[renate]

62. thank you for writing that!

I miss the way DU used to be; the nastiness I see here these days (not from everybody of course, from a minority) wouldn't be out of place on a right-wing board, but I thought Democrats were nicer and better than that. (I'm pretty naive.)

I hope that, whoever gets the nomination, we'll all remember not to hold that person responsible for the unkind things that some of their supporters have said.

[Duval]

65. Thank you very much. nt

[Thinkingabout]

69. Thanks for your post, it should address all who post here.

This is DU whose mission has been to elect Democrats. We know electing Democrats at every level is the best way to get a Democratic platform issues in place. We know there are some RW trolls here attempting to discourage any Democrats from voting or participating in the voting process, we can not allow those trolls to prevent our voting.

[Land of Enchantment]

79. I too am new to posting for basically the same reasons.

I was extremely active on the first blogs ever, under a different name and became so disgusted with the infighting and ugliness I found better things to do with my time. What a lot of these posts are about lack depth, thought and knowledge. I was tear gassed by Nixon's goon squads for protesting the Viet Nam War. The 26th Amendment gave 18 year olds the right to vote back in '71 and vote we did! I haven't missed a primary or GE since.

The advent of blogging has achieved paradoxical results. There are many worthy comments that are enlightening, educational and informative. Sadly, there are also mis-informed, ill mannered and frankly stupid reactionary posts as well.

I read here that arguing with these folks is like trying to nail jello to the ceiling. I choose to ignore them and not waste my time.

Thanks for your post.

[ucrdem]

80. It's a little early for that.

SC precincts don't begin reporting until 7 pm. So Bernie supporters still have a couple of hours until . . .

[NurseJackie]

84. Nicely done!

[ucrdem]

89. just a few more hours and then . . .

Holiday Celebrate
Holiday Celebrate

Holiday, Celebration
Come together in every nation

[PaulaFarrell]

103. you're a prime example of a perspn who foments discord

You never contribute anything worth reading and jump in with a one-line snark at any opportunity, always avoiding SAYING anything nasty (to avoid the oh-so-dreaded timeout) but implying it in every post. You can't even stay out of a well-ntentioned thread that would help lower the level of animosity.

[NurseJackie]

105. Ha! Okay, I'll try to follow your fine example of civility. (No promises, though.) :-P

[PaulaFarrell]

106. see you just did it again

Nothing but snark to contribute. And it's only your incivility that caused me to comment - adding 'have a nice day' and a smiley face in no way negates a nasty jibe.

[NurseJackie]

108. I'm afraid we're at an impasse.

Have a nice day!

[PaulaFarrell]

119. see that would have been ok

If you hadn't added the snarky gif I might have thought maybe you weren't as bad as I thought.

[DCBob]

83. Nice words..

but I think its more a defense response when we are relentlessly attacked for posting anything positive about Hillary Clinton.

But you are right.. we should tone it down and give them some space.

[auntpurl]

97. Since Hillary is doing well and has a positive groundswell at the moment...

...and since I think both candidates are a credit to the Democratic party and either one of them would be a better president than any of the Republican candidates by an order of magnitude of infinity...

I feel like being magnanimous and fair to Bernie supporters is easy to do, even if the other side is not. Bernie's supporters are not Bernie. He's a nice man with good progressive politics.

There are some on the Hillary side who are taking advantage of the current state of the primary process, where Hillary is currently on the up (that may or may not continue), to take some revenge for some of the very nasty things that Bernie supporters on DU have said about Hillary and Hillary supporters. I don't think this is necessary and I don't think it helps us in the long term. Be the bigger person. It always makes me feel better about myself when I can be the bigger person.

Anyway, at the end of the day, once the primaries are over, people who say they won't vote for the Dem nominee (whoever that turns out to be) will no longer be able to espouse that position on DU. Those are the rules. This is the silly season - everyone gets all worked up. It will calm down.

Thanks for your reply. Peace.

Edited to fix smiley.

[Beartracks]

86. Bingo. You know what I fear about a Clinton nomination?

Not Hillary herself -- I will definitely vote for her if she's our candidate -- but, rather, the insufferable condescension of her supporters.*

We have enough of that already even early in the primary process; I can only imagine how much worse it will get if she gains the nomination.

Thanks for encouraging decency, auntpurl. I certainly hope it helps.







* Well, that, and that she will have zilch crossover appeal to independents and disaffected Republicans. But that's a separate concern, and I would hope she can close that gap.

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[auntpurl]

98. To be fair...

Neither side has been innocent of some real nastiness this primary season.

If she gains the nomination, the history of DU suggests that both sides will get toned down a bit by the board runners - less gloating AND less nastiness on both sides.

I hoped to write a friendly thread to encourage civility and remind people that we are in this for the long haul - and I got almost entirely civil polite responses from both sides. I think this is encouraging!

[Beartracks]

122. We'll get there. We have to!

[Codeine]

114. Because GAWD KNOWS the Sanders folk don't exhibit "insufferable condescension".

They practically invented it.

[AikenYankee]

96. VERY good advice.

Thank you.

[RoccoR5955]

99. When they attack Bernie

and come out with lies, I shall call them on it.
I will never surrender to someone who is in the hands of corporations.
I will not lick my wounds, I will carry on and fight on until folks hear the truth.
I will not listen to parroted Bernie memes given by Hillary and her cohorts. They are lies to get votes from the Left. Her actions speak more to me than hearing what Bernie said weeks and months ago.

[Fast Walker 52]

107. I agree. Even though emotions clearly run high, taunting is out of place

and counterproductive.