2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWe must vote Hillary or end up with a Republican theocracy, right?
From DU circa 2008 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5071798
Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobssay, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.
Clinton has championed federal funding of faith-based social services, which she embraced years before George W. Bush did; Marci Hamilton, author of God vs. the Gavel, says that the Clintons' approach to faith-based initiatives "set the stage for Bush." Clinton has also long supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a measure that has become a purity test for any candidate wishing to avoid war with the Christian right.
Liberal rabbi Michael Lerner, whose "politics of meaning" Clinton made famous in a speech early in her White House tenure, sees the senator's ambivalence as both more and less than calculated opportunism. He believes she has genuine sympathy for liberal causesrights for women, gays, immigrantsbut often will not follow through. "There is something in her that pushes her toward caring about others, as long as there's no price to pay. But in politics, there is a price to pay."
thanks to bobthedrummer for his post that I had bookmarked
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511338638
Links in original 2008 post are broken - updated links below:
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1993235_1993243_1993262,00.html
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics
Hobby Lobby, anyone?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)she tells them to cut it out
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)theocracy, but very likely an ultraconservative plutocracy ruling a nation using a Constitution from which our founding fathers' liberal principles have been "reinterpreted," i.e., purged. They'll pretend it's still a democracy but the intent will be to make sure we can't control them.
Already many foolish people on the right, per nudges from their string-pullers, are call for choosing senators through an electoral college. To "fix" what's wrong with America.
A fascist state ruled by a wealthy elite and business interests would be a natural evolution. The Kochs like to think they're libertarians, but that doesn't provide protection for wealth, plus they act more like authoritarians where others are concerned.
Yes, it can happen here and, in fact, has already started to.
Charles Koch: "The only legitimate roles of government are protection of person and property..."
forest444
(5,902 posts)If she's nominated, we had better hope Trump's the nominee on the other side.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)Love it!
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)Personally, I always referred to them as Crisco and Trumpolini. Like a circus troupe from Hell, really.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)The Family's most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer
Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes
on behind the scenes -- knitting together international networks of rightwing
leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family
reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that
exemplary leader, Adolph Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole
bestiary of murderous thugs. ...
Clinton fell in with the Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group
composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When
she ascended to the senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's
"most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his
downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been
a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, the Family's
publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a
genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or
faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."
Furthermore, the Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward
legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious
freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth
control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.
What drew Clinton into the sinister heart of the international right? Maybe
it was just a phase in her tormented search for identity, marked by
ever-changing hairstyles and names: Hillary Rodham, Mrs. Bill Clinton, Hillary
Rodham Clinton, and now Hillary Clinton. She reached out to many potential
spiritual mentors during her White House days, including new age guru Marianne
Williamson and the liberal Rabbi Michael Lerner. But it was the Family
association that stuck.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Perfect addition to this thread
There is so much that Hillary doesn't let on to or own up to. Is it any surprise she isn't trusted?
ReallyIAmAnOptimist
(357 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 27, 2016, 06:31 PM - Edit history (1)
HRC is scary to too many FDR-Progressive-Democrats and Independents (they will stay home, or cast a vote for Stein).
And she's hated by the GOP, so no crossover BUT BIG turnout against her.
She was not electable in 2008.
She's not electable in 2016 (do the math).
This primary fight is over control of the Party. The DLC-New Democrat-insiders are facing completely losing power over the party if Bernie is nominated (which is a harder bar to clear than the GE). The insiders would rather nominate HRC and lose the GE (but keep control) of a 'loser' Party (remember all the Governorships, and seats in Congress and statehouses the Dems have lost since 2010...) because THEY are on the gravy train. It's plain ugly greed.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)"The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign."
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