When Hillary Anoints Herself the Democratic Nominee Tonight or After Super Tuesday .....

[Chasstev365]

I don't want hear her supporters start demanding that Bernie Sanders drop out immediately.

Remember 2008? According to her own rules, it was OK for HER to stay in the race no matter what! Hillary when so far as to evoked one of the saddest, most awful, moments in United States political history (the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy) as a reason to do so. I wonder how Ethel Kennedy and Bobby's 10 kids felt when Hillary displayed such a zeal and desperateness for her to be president:

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California." Hillary Clinton May 2008

[LexVegas]

1. He can do what he wants. As long as he gets in line come GE time. nt

[Merryland]

4. gets in line?

Bernie is not a kindergartner and neither are his supporters. What a condescending comment.

[whatchamacallit]

7. She will bring him to heel

[Hiraeth]

26. what a dog of a comment.

[PonyUp]

97. As Hillary would say, "Arf! Arf! Arf!" n/t

[tazkcmo]

51. Beat me to it!

Sit Ubu, sit! Good Dem.

[still_one]

12. Of course not. Sander's made it clear from the beginning that he is not running

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as a spoiler, and he is running to win

Whoever gets the Democratic nominee, not only will all the Democratic candidates running for the nomination nation support the winner, so will the vast majority of the respective supporters

I really wish these sniping a threads would stop

[Logical]

6. Oh FFS are you full of yourself. No wonder people here are starting to get sick of Hillary. nt

[dinkytron]

14. My 81 year old mom who loved Bill and Hillary is sick of Hillary.

If she lost my mom, she has seriously fucked up.

[Logical]

79. Good point. nt

[Doctor_J]

93. Starting to?

[TM99]

9. Ooo...tough guy!

Yeah, we better 'get in line'.

[Mike__M]

78. OK. I'll "look into it." (n/t)

[krawhitham]

10. Bernie will tow the line if he loses but most of his supports will not

And I don't blame them

[artislife]

43. I don't think h can last a full campaign season

We have seen her mask slip away more and more of late. This may be a tough couple of days but Democratic voting states are coming up this March. The ones that actually vote for the Democrats in November elections.

[LuvLoogie]

25. Hillary supporter here. That's pretty callous and, I suspect, by design.

Call me skeptical.

[tazkcmo]

54. well said.

I'm willing to bet this one isn't in PR.

[FangedNoumenom]

98. This is proof

That Hillary's supporters are fascists in lipstick. They've internalized all the worst aspects of Hillary.

"Bring them to heel" indeed.

[Merryland]

2. what a cold-blooded comment about RFK death.

[dchill]

5. It was part of her justification for staying in.

She went there.

[Merryland]

13. It's so weird & so off in such a peculiar & hard way

I see this hardness in both Clintons. Recently heard a Democracy Now tape of Bill Clinton chewing Amy Goodman out - Live, when he was actually the President - in a really nasty way. I think both Clintons are hard as nails.

[artislife]

44. It may explain their timid daugher.

She is milktoast at best.

[GoneFishin]

3. I remember that. I hesitated to believe that even she would say something so vulgar. It was a

bit chilling.

Everything with them is psy-ops. At this point they have been caught in so many lies and distortions that I believe nothing they say.

I think most Bernie supporters are his supporters because they are onto to these goddamned games, and they are sick of them.

Screw them. We're in it until the end.

[sufrommich]

8. "Anoints Herself "

So Bernie wins elections,but Hillary "anoints herself".

[krawhitham]

16. Can she possible have 2,382 delegates after Super Tuesday?

But I bet she will still say it is over and she is the winner

If not "Anoints Herself", then what do you call it?

[mythology]

86. Understanding probabilities

Based on the proportional delegates it is hard to make up ground. But you're also making a declaration based on somebody's supposition about what Clinton will do.

That said Sanders has every right to stay in the race and telling him to get out is silly.

[Buns_of_Fire]

95. Maybe, like in Animal House, Debbie's set up "Double Secret SuperDelegates"? nt

[NurseJackie]

17. Amazing, isn't it?

[Chasstev365]

22. She "Annointed" herself the winner of Iowa before 1/2 of the results we in

so the networks would do the same. Nice Rovian, Roger Allies 2000 Fox News Play!

[Lil Missy]

83. Yes, it's their usual pattern of denial and delusional thinking. If she wins,

it's only because she did it without votes, or because (name-your-conspiracy-here) happened

[Marr]

11. That was such a weird thing to say. I was left wondering if she wasn't hoping to

inspire a plan in some random nut. I mean, who would even think of that?

[krawhitham]

18. That is what I thought at the time in 2008

[LuvLoogie]

15. I expect she will run her race all the way to the convention as well.

The partisans will do what the partisans will do.

Whoever wins the nomination will reach out to the other. Efforts will join, and partisans will have a choice to join or scatter.

[ejbr]

19. But president

Jesse Jackson won South Carolna in 1984 and 1988, so she may have a point

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Let's see...

I wonder how Ethel Kennedy and Bobby's 10 kids felt when Hillary displayed such a zeal and desperateness for her to be president.

The Kennedys feel differently*

Vicki Kennedy endorses Clinton

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/269956-vicki-kennedy-endorses-clinton

Caroline Kennedy Says She Will Back Hillary Clinton in a Run for President

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/25/us/politics/caroline-kennedy-says-she-would-back-hillary-clinton-in-2016.html?_r=0

U S Rep. Joe Kennedy III to stump for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign in New Hampshire
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/12/us_rep_joe_kennedy_iii_to_stum.html

Can you please cite any members of the Kennedy Family who are supporting Senator Sanders?

Thank you in advance.

[whatchamacallit]

23. Which makes her demented statement ok?

Hilfolk logic.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Please see Post 29.

Thank you in advance.

[Chasstev365]

24. You don't think that was a tactless, hurtful comment in 2008?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Her statement was taken out of context...

RFK's own namesake was one of her most enthusiastic supporter in the 08 primary:

If you don't mind I will defer to the opinion of the namesake of the martyred senator and not a random internet poster with an axe to grind.


Thank you in advance.

[whatchamacallit]

35. Um... talk about bait and switch

You provide an insipid campaign ad to support your claim that her statement was taken out of context?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. I am sad that you find Robert F Kennedy and Cesar Chavez ...

Um... talk about bait and switchYou provide an insipid campaign ad to support your claim that her statement was taken out of context?[/div


I am sad that you would state that Robert F. Kennedy Junior and Cesar Chavez would participate in "an insipid campaign" ad:

[whatchamacallit]

40. Sorry you haz a sad

Instead of the slight of hand, how 'bout you tell us the context of Hillary's statement.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. I said it was taken out of context...

whatchamacallit
40. Sorry you haz a sad

It was a rhetorical sad...




rhetorical

[whatchamacallit]

49. How was it taken out of context?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. She said any candidate should stay in the race because he or she never knows what will happen...

Given the choice to make a negative or positive inference about an action taken by Secretary Clinton there are some people who will invariably make the former, every single time.

[whatchamacallit]

64. Good, keep her words in mind when your team is screaming for Bernie to drop out n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. He should let his conscience dictate and stay in as long as he wants.

[whatchamacallit]

68. Yep, just like Hillary's "conscience" did

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. I try to be civil to you and you insult me.

And that reveals more about you than it can ever reveal about me...

[whatchamacallit]

72. Hate to interrupt your victim moment

but how did I insult you? The barf smiley was for Hillary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. All right then. I say this without snark.

Please enjoy your weekend.

[whatchamacallit]

75. Plan to, same to you

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. Thanx

So Cal weather is beautiful.

[Vattel]

63. Cesar L. Chavez. Do you know much about him?

[whatchamacallit]

30. Haven't you noticed?

Their moral imperative is winning.

[PonyUp]

21. Roll that beautiful bean footage:

.

[lapfog_1]

82. one of KO's best special comments

and heavily researched the statements of Hillary to prove that

a) she had made such offensive statements before, so this was no accident
b) she knew they were offensive because she modified them to remove the assassination remark.
c) she went back to the assassination reference later, when she was clearly losing

[thereismore]

27. Yep. And her husband did not "wrap up" the nomination until June! nt

[frazzled]

28. Just because you've concocted a scenario in your head

doesn't mean it has any basis in reality. Hillary Clinton will not "anoint herself the Democratic nominee tonight." And there will be no demands that he drop out immediately. I can guarantee that. But I can also guarantee that after next week, if any print or television analyst suggests that the math is becoming almost insurmountable, you will quite probably say that "Hillary" has anointed herself and that her "supporters" have demanded that Bernie quit. But it still won't be true.

[kath]

31. She brought up RFK's assassination MULTIPLE times, beginning in March 2008.Here is Keith Olbermann's

Special comment on that, PLUS many other racist and inappropriate comments she made during that campaign:

here is a transcript, if you prefer that to watching the video. http://americablog.com/2008/05/keith-olbermanns-special-comment-about-hillary-clinton-invoking-bobby-kennedys-assassination.html


Only a horrible human being would make such statements. truly disgusting.

[dchill]

34. +1. Drop the mic!

[kath]

37. On top of the "assassination" comments and allusions, which she made at least 4 times, here are

Other little gems that came out of her mouth during that campaign (from transcript of the K Olbermann comment):

God knows, Senator, in this campaign, this nation has **had** to forgive you, early and often…

And despite your now traditional position of the offended victim, the nation **has** forgiven you.

We have forgiven you your insistence that there have been widespread calls for you to end your campaign, when such calls had been few.

We have forgiven you your misspeaking about Martin Luther King’s relative importance to the Civil Rights movement.

We have forgiven you your misspeaking about your under-fire landing in Bosnia.

We have forgiven you insisting Michigan’s vote wouldn’t count and then claiming those who would not count it were Un-Democratic.

We have forgiven you pledging to not campaign in Florida and thus disenfranchise voters there, and then claim those who stuck to those rules were as wrong as those who defended slavery or denied women the vote.

We have forgiven you the photos of Osama Bin Laden in an anti-Obama ad…

We have forgiven you fawning over the fairness of Fox News while they were still calling you a murderer.

We have forgiven you accepting Richard Mellon Scaife’s endorsement and then laughing as you described his “deathbed conversion.”

We have forgiven you quoting the electoral predictions of Boss Karl Rove.

We have forgiven you the 3 A-M Phone Call commercial.

We have forgiven you **President** Clinton’s disparaging comparison of the Obama candidacy to Jesse Jackson’s.

We have forgiven you Geraldine Ferraro’s national radio interview suggesting Obama would not still be in the race had he been a white man.

We have forgiven you the dozen changing metrics and the endless self-contradictions of your insistence that your nomination is mathematically probable rather than a statistical impossibility.

We have forgiven you your declaration of some primary states as counting and some as not.

We have forgiven you exploiting Jeremiah Wright in front of the editorial board of the lunatic-fringe Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

We have forgiven you exploiting William Ayers in front of the debate on ABC.

We have forgiven you for boasting of your “support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans”…

We have even forgiven you repeatedly praising Senator McCain at Senator Obama’s expense, and your **own** expense, and the Democratic **ticket’s** expense.

http://americablog.com/2008/05/keith-olbermanns-special-comment-about-hillary-clinton-invoking-bobby-kennedys-assassination.html

[polly7]

45. Wow. She should consider herself very lucky for all this forgiveness. That's a lot. nt.

[PonyUp]

89. Where's her supporters on this? n/t

[polly7]

91. I don't think they do issues - and issues, these are.

'When people show you who they are, believe them' - Maya Angelou -(a quote my Grandma used to say to me whenever someone had hurt me and she'd listened to the whole story.)

This amount of 'forgiveness' sums up someone's thinking and real views, imo. That she's had to evolve now because of Sanders unexpected rise, which she'd never have done otherwise doesn't change who she really is. The fact that she's close friends with and has accepted millions from those who've gotten rich off the backs of the poor and middle class just confirms it, for me.

They can't defend this. They can't discuss the issues. All they seem to be able to do is demonize Sanders because of his terrible, horrible supporters. And that's pretty *'ing sad.

[randome]

33. He won't continue onto the convention once the numbers are solidly against him.

If he does continue, without a hope of winning, he will go down in history as just another Ralph Nader.
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[artislife]

46. We aren't afraid of the name Nader

Are you afraid of the name Perot? Because that is why Bill got in the first time.

[SheenaR]

53. Do explain please

How he would be a Nader if he stays in until the convention since she will not have reached 2382 by then in pledged delegates.

It makes zero sense but I'm sure you thought it was witty when you typed it.

[restorefreedom]

36. he will stsy until the convention and here is why

he has to claim his delegstes and not concede until they nominate her. they are trying to hold off indicting until they force him out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511352449

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. In the highly, highly, highly...highly unlikely event she was indicted ...

In the highly, highly, highly...highly unlikely even she was indicted the delegates she won would go to Joe Biden.

[restorefreedom]

52. and he would not be nominated

because even if they legally could, to nominate someone who didn't win (becsuse they opted not to run) over someone who campaigned his guts out and will be bringing close to half of the pledged delegates (in that scenario), the party would implode.

thanks for your thoughts dsb!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. Delegates are pledged on the first ballot to those who won them.

If there is no winner on the first ballot they are released to vote for whomever they want. Since the delegates she won were chosen for their loyalty to her it is only logical to assume they would vote for the person most similar to her if she dropped out of the race and that would be Joe Biden...

[restorefreedom]

60. they might very well do that if they want a guaranteed ge loss

not to mention the downtickets, and the dem party itself after it implodes by disenfranchising all of bernies supporters.

methinks they are much wiser than that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. After she whups him fair and square, and by a lot...

After she whups him fair and square, and by a lot, what is the basis for his moral claim to the nomination ?

Don't the voter who contributed to her giving him a whuppin have a voice?

[restorefreedom]

62. it won't be by a lot, it will be by a hair at best

i won't even get into the issue of fair and square, because imo that ship, captained by andy mcguire, already sailed.

edit....but her voters should have a voice..i am speaking of a situation where she has to step down and its up to the party.

they will have to nominate the only other runner or risk catastrophe...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. It will be by a lot...Hillary actually beat Barack Obama in the pop vote in 08, albeit by a little.

The pop vote at the end will be over 55% in her favor.


You can bookmark this post.

[restorefreedom]

67. no, she actually didn't unless you count a state where he was not on the ballot

Q: Did Clinton win the popular vote?
A: Obama won more votes unless you count Michigan, where he wasn’t on the ballot.
FULL QUESTION
Did Hillary Clinton actually end up with more popular votes than Barack Obama? Given that there is some discussion on whether to count the popular votes of Michigan and Florida, as well as how to count caucus votes, who did end up with the higher count?
FULL ANSWER
After the primary season wrapped up on Tuesday, Clinton commended her supporters and claimed once again that she had won the popular vote: "Nearly 18 million of you cast your votes for our campaign, carrying the popular vote with more votes than any primary candidate in history."
Did she? Now that all the primaries and caucuses are over we can take one, final look.
Obama won more total votes than Clinton in the contests where they both appeared on the ballot. Clinton won the popular vote only if you count votes from Michigan, where Obama’s name did not appear on the ballot.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/clinton-and-the-popular-vote/

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. It won't even be close enough to argue about this time...

Senator Sanders will be lucky to get 40% of the votes this primary season.

Bookmark this post.

Out of the ten most populous states in the nation he will not even win one.

Again, please bookmark this post.

[restorefreedom]

90. agree to disagree, for now....

and no bullshit, but seriously, how does one "bookmark" a post?

i post and have a tiny ignore list....don't have all functions down, although after 12 years i should.....

[Agnosticsherbet]

42. After Bobby Kennedy's tragic Death we got Richard Nixon.

Following Edward Kennedy's loss in the 1980 Primary after the Super Tuesday primaries on June 3rd of 1980, American's elected Reagan.

If Trump wins the nomination by March 15th, continuing a fratricidal contest between Democrats will give Republicans a huge advantage.

I would like my vote in the Presidential Primary on June 7 to mean something besides a coronation or protest. In our modern system it makes more sense to end the primary earlier and get Sanders on the road to Campaign for Clinton.

But if he wants to hang on to the very end, that is his choice. We can only hope, then, that Republican Donors use their anti-trump option.

Donors ask GOP consulting firm to research independent presidential bid
Conservative donors have engaged a major GOP consulting firm in Florida to research the feasibility of mounting a late, independent run for president amid growing fears that Donald Trump could win the Republican nomination.
A memo prepared for the group zeroes in on ballot access as a looming obstacle for any independent candidate, along with actually identifying a viable, widely known contender and coalescing financial support for that person. The two states with the earliest deadlines for independent candidates, Texas and North Carolina, also have some of the highest hurdles for independents to get on the ballot, according to the research.

“All this research has to happen before March 16, when inevitably Trump is the nominee, so that we have a plan in place," a source familiar with the discussions said. March 16 is the day after the GOP primary in Florida, a winner-take-all contest that Marco Rubio supporters have identified as a must-win to stop Trump's early momentum.

[artislife]

48. Is this another "Get in Line!" post.

The h supporters are so fond of calling h tough and being vetted. What is a couple more months for her. It will make her razor sharp if she wins a long, protacted battle in the primary.

Isn't that what you have told us again and again.

No free ride for h.

[Agnosticsherbet]

92. No this is a discussion of history.

and the possibility of a third party run for a Republican.

Sanders will be out there campaigning for Clinton, if she wins the nomination, and I suspect he will vote for her. Sanders knows that she is a thousand times better than any Republicans. He simply prefers himself to her.

[NCTraveler]

47. It's the voters in the democratic primary...

That are bringing on her victory. Love the anointed crap. Who a majority of the people are backing matters.

[jeff47]

50. Well, here's your problem right here

Remember 2008?

Nope. They don't.

[gwheezie]

55. Calm down

If Hillary wins more delegates, she will be the nominee. Bernie can run until there is no chance mathematically but even then, I hope he is viable enough that say if Hillary should drop dead, he can step in. I've said this from the beginning and I support HRC, I wanted at least another candidate because anything can happen. It's just pragmatic and that's not a bad word.

[Hiraeth]

56. I thought she already had anointed herself. meh.

[AgingAmerican]

58. Of course they will demand he drop out

They can't go at him on policy, so...

[jack_krass]

70. "We all remember Bobby Kennedy.... "

Makes my skin crawl.

[senz]

73. Bernie's not in it for himself. He's in it for US, the people

and WE don't want him to quit.

The longer Bernie runs, the greater the likelihood of the political revolution that will return America to a healthy democracy.

Hill fans cannot understand Bernie's motivation. It is beyond them, at present.

Maybe someday they will understand. But we can't wait for them.

[Kall]

77. You know they will.

The indignation over attacks on universal health care seems to be very selectively applied too.

[CentralMass]

80. Onward to the convention.

[Lil Missy]

81. Hell no he shouldn't drop out tonight after HRC wins. He should wait till Super Tuesday.

I want to see his numbers on Super Tuesday with him IN the race still.

[brooklynite]

85. Perhaps if you stopped throwing around words like "anoint"...

...you'd get more respect from the Clinton people.

Sanders has shown he can win a Primary; he's apparently about to show he can lose several. That decision is being made by actual Democratic voters, as much as you'd apparently like to blame someone else.

[Chasstev365]

87. Funny Brooklynite

You are one of my all time favor posters on DU. I mean it seriously! I'm sure when September rolls around most of us will start to come together to stop the GOP. However right now, it seems to many of us Bernie Sanders supporters that Hillary and her supporters feel she is entitled to be the Democratic nominee, hence the anointed remark. While I would vote for her over any Republican, I personally will never forgive the RFK remark.

[Doctor_J]

94. Who gives a shit about respect from the hillarians?

They like war and TPP and are against healthcare for all. I would be mortified if they respected me.

[brooklynite]

99. Tell me - when you do phone banking for Bernie and encounter a Clinton voter...

...do you thank them for their time and move on, or do you chew them out for being detestable neo-liberal DINOs?

I wondering if this might be part of Bernie's problem.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

88. That's a fair point.

[longship]

96. Well, she's anointed herself with the blessed oil months ago.

It's her turn, after all. (Seems like we've all heard that line before, like in 2012 or there abouts. BTW, it didn't work then.)

I think it is called hubris. And a political campaign based on hubris is always in danger.

And that goes for both Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters. Dial it down, people. Dial it way down. You are just dividing the party.

Wake up sheeple! The idiots are crossing the battlements. Let's not fight ourselves when the enemy is at the gates.

And no! I do not want to read about who can and who cannot beat any arbitrary putative GOP nominee.

I think a great president said something about that once...

"Unite we stand; divided we fall."