Hillary fans erasing history to defend Hillary's racist "super-predator" meme

[Cheese Sandwich]

People on the receiving end of the policy know it was a racist meme used to demonize urban youth and scare white people into supporting brutal, abusive policing.

They wanted to try kids as adults and lock us away for long sentences for petty crimes.

It worked. The results were racist. Hillary was a salesperson for these racist policies.

You can't erase history.

[Cheese Sandwich]

1. super-predator meme was racist pseudo-science invented by right wing to demonize black youth

Don't take my word for it, here are the statements of top scholars and leaders.

Sorry for copy and paste but these are facts


For example Michelle Alexander has said

In her support for the 1994 crime bill, for example, she used racially coded rhetoric to cast black children as animals. “They are not just gangs of kids anymore,” she said. “They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘super-predators.’ No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.”

source

And Ta-Nahesi Coates has said

Since the days of slavery, into the days of super-predators, and now the time of the Knockout Game, there has always been a strong need to believe that hordes of young black men will overrun the country in a fit of raping and pillaging. It's how we justify ourselves. Information can't compete with national myth.

source

Ben Jealous has said

The superpredator idea was this notion that a child at age six months could be such a sociopath as to be beyond redemption. And it’s a violation of theology, it’s a violation of basic psychology. It was never used, as far as I know, to describe anyone white. It was always used sort of to describe young black men as a mass. And it made life very tough for us. And it helped push in bills, quite frankly, that have led to the biggest spike in the incarceration of women that we have seen—of, typically, black women.

source

"As Ex-Theorist on Young 'Superpredators,' Bush Aide Has Regrets"

February 9, 2001

PHILADELPHIA, Feb. 8— From his perch as the director of the new White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, which he believes will help uplift many needy people but particularly the most troubled teenagers, John J. DiIulio Jr. conceded today that he wished he had never become the 1990's intellectual pillar for putting violent juveniles in prison and condemning them as ''superpredators.''

''If I knew then what I know now, I would have shouted for prevention of crimes,'' Mr. DiIulio said during an interview in the clubby University of Pennsylvania office that he is temporarily vacating to join the White House staff.

Instead, five years ago, Mr. DiIulio created a whole theory around the notion that ''a new generation of street criminals is upon us -- the youngest, biggest and baddest generation any society has ever known.''

''Based on all that we have witnessed, researched and heard from people who are close to the action,'' he wrote with two co-authors, ''here is what we believe: America is now home to thickening ranks of juvenile 'superpredators' -- radically impulsive, brutally remorseless youngsters, including ever more preteenage boys, who murder, assault, rape, rob, burglarize, deal deadly drugs, join gun-toting gangs and create serious communal disorders.''

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/09/us/as-ex-theorist-on-young-superpredators-bush-aide-has-regrets.html

[Divernan]

28. Hillary accuses OTHERS of having "no conscience, no empathy"?!?!?

Two Words: Cluster Bombs

[bahrbearian]

2. I think she was talking about white gangs.

[Cheese Sandwich]

3. super-predator was the 1990s version of the knock out game

Anyone paying attention knew there was no such thing as a "new breed of super-predators".

[Fred Sanders]

4. All just another food fight over semantics....childish.

[Bluenorthwest]

7. Sematics? No, about source materials informing those who employed that brand of negative labeling

of others, about claiming that 'kids' of a new and vile sort exist who must be spoken of as monsters and dealt with like animals.
If a person uses an obvious slur, are objections to the slur objections to mere semantics, about the choice of the words or are such objections in fact larger than that?

Clinton was using verbiage out of the book 'Body Count' whose authors she and Bill had just recently met with, that book was very popular among the law and order, racism and fear based populations. I doubt you have even heard of that book. Bill Bennett was one of the authors. Do you know who he is? I doubt it.....

Some Bill Bennett 'semantics' for you to consider:
Bennett, who held prominent posts in the administrations of former presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday: "If you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/30/bennett.comments/

[Cheese Sandwich]

9. thanks

The info is there for anybody that can handle the truth

[Jenny_92808]

5. Lock'm up and throw away the key

It was definitely code to inflame white fear against black kids.

[Cheese Sandwich]

8. absolutely that was it

[Broward]

6. Some people just don't care about the truth.

[Jenny_92808]

11. What truth are you talking about?

[Broward]

13. Hillary's record of pushing destructive policies

that disproportionately affected minorities and her race baiting past.

[Mufaddal]

10. Down the memory hole it goes

[Jenny_92808]

12. "memory hole"

Are you saying this subject is not worthy and should be flushed down the "memory hole?"

I think this is a VERY important subject. Please explain what you meant. TIA

[Mufaddal]

14. I mean that Clinton diehards are ready to rewrite history

as well as ignore anything remotely inconvenient from her past. For them, by and large the only Hillary is today's Hillary.

[Jenny_92808]

15. Thank you very much

for clarifying. I agree with you.

[closeupready]

18. They likely have defense contracts they want to secure, jobs in her administration,

that kind of political patronage which is actually illegal in places where it once flourished, like Chicago.

[Cheese Sandwich]

19. Hillary Clinton is like thmost Orwellian candidate of all time

We're not supposed to remember all of her current statement are the opposite of her past statements.

She got mad when Terri Gross reminded her she was against gay marriage until very recently. Like she couldn't admit the truth and just asserted an alternate historical reality.

[MisterP]

27. heck, she probably thinks she can be against gay marriage because she's "the LGBT candidate"

and therefore anything that advances her career advances their cause--eggs and omlets, of course

(Honduran and MENA LGBTs aside)

[George II]

16. Are you talking about the legislation that Sanders voted for?

[Jitter65]

17. You mean re-writing this history?

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
SANDERS: Clearly there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them.
KEITH: The early 1990s were a very different time. America was coming out of the crack epidemic. Violent crime was at its peak. News reports led with carjackings and gang violence. Again, Nicholas Turner.


(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
CLINTON: They are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called superpredators - no conscious, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.
KEITH: Bring them to heel - as in force to obey. Nicholas Turner is the director of the Vera Institute of Justice which researches crime policy. He says the term superpredator was coined by a professor at Princeton.

Senate, starring Biden, Kerry Boxer and a galaxy of yes votes! See Ted Kennedy's 'Lion of the Senate' Yes vote-
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1994/s295

[ucrdem]

20. Good catch. Sanders also voted for the 1994 crime bill. Hillary of course did not.

Speaking of revisionist history.

[Luminous Animal]

33. Here are Bernie's comments in full...

No dehumanizing language. No racist dog whistle.

“Mr. Chairman, let me begin with a profound remark: Two plus two equals four.

In other words, there is a logical and rational process called cause and effect. In terms of Newtonian physics, that means that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, fellow members of the House, there are reasons why things happen, as controversial as that statement may be.

A farmer neglects to tend and care for his fields— it is likely that the crop will fail.

A company neglects to invest in research and development— it is likely that company will not be profitable.

In a similar way, a society which neglects, which oppresses and which disdains a very significant part of its population—which leaves them hungry, impoverished, unemployed, uneducated, and utterly without hope, will, through cause and effect, create a population which is bitter, which is angry, which is violent, and a society which is crime-ridden. That is the case in America, and it is the case in other countries throughout the world.

Mr. Chairman, how do we talk about the very serious crime problem in America without mentioning, without mentioning, that we have the highest rate of childhood poverty in the industrialized world, by far, with 22 percent of our children in poverty and 5 million kids hungry today?

Do you think maybe that might have some relationship to crime?

How do we talk about crime when this Congress is prepared, this year, to spend 11 times more for the military than for education; when 21% of our kids drop out of high school; when a recent study told us that twice as many young workers now earn poverty wages as 10 years ago; when the gap between the rich and the poor is growing wider, and when the rate of poverty continues to grow?

Do you think maybe that might have some relationship to crime?

Mr. Chairman, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them.

But it is also my view that through the neglect of our government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming today tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. And Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world, and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country, and all of the executions in the world… will not make that situation right.

We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails. Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance. Thank you.”

[notadmblnd]

34. Hillary did not vote for it, but she pushed it for Bill, hence the reason for her predator speech

Now- Sanders voted for the bill because it included the Violence Against Women Act in it. The words you read above was part of his admonishment for the crime bill wanting to lock up and throw away the key for her so called "super predators" But don't take my word for it. Listen to him yourself- if you can handle the truth. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/26/11116412/bernie-sanders-mass-incarceration

While the Clintons have defended the 1994 crime law until quite recently, Sanders was always careful to point out that he saw the law as a compromise — and regularly stated his concerns with mass incarceration.

In 1994, for example, he said that he would support it because it included the Violence Against Women Act, which helped crack down on domestic violence and rape. Sanders said: "I have a number of serious problems with the crime bill, but one part of it that I vigorously support is the Violence Against Women Act. We urgently need the $1.8 billion in this bill to combat the epidemic of violence against women on the streets and in the homes of America." Earlier in the year, Sanders suggested that he did not see the tough-on-crime parts of the bill as the right solution to crime:"

"It is my firm belief that clearly there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them.

But it is also my view that through the neglect of our government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming today tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. And, Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world — and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country — and all of the executions … in the world will not make that situation right.

We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails. Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance."

So you tell me- who is attempting to revise history now?

[ucrdem]

39. And Bernie did.

p.s. this long-dead horse has been kicked a few times already:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1349167

[notadmblnd]

40. Yes, and you are still refusing to acknowledge the truth

Obviously, there are some reading comprehension issues going on here.

I understand dyslexia, my son grew up with it. However, there are some wonderful decoding methods that one can utilize to understand and comprehend what they read if they bother to try.

[Number23]

23. Wow. Now THAT is interesting.

[Luminous Animal]

29. Really. Here is his comments in full. Now, tell me where did he demonize people?

Where did he use racially coded language?

“Mr. Chairman, let me begin with a profound remark: Two plus two equals four.

In other words, there is a logical and rational process called cause and effect. In terms of Newtonian physics, that means that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, fellow members of the House, there are reasons why things happen, as controversial as that statement may be.

A farmer neglects to tend and care for his fields— it is likely that the crop will fail.

A company neglects to invest in research and development— it is likely that company will not be profitable.

In a similar way, a society which neglects, which oppresses and which disdains a very significant part of its population—which leaves them hungry, impoverished, unemployed, uneducated, and utterly without hope, will, through cause and effect, create a population which is bitter, which is angry, which is violent, and a society which is crime-ridden. That is the case in America, and it is the case in other countries throughout the world.

Mr. Chairman, how do we talk about the very serious crime problem in America without mentioning, without mentioning, that we have the highest rate of childhood poverty in the industrialized world, by far, with 22 percent of our children in poverty and 5 million kids hungry today?

Do you think maybe that might have some relationship to crime?

How do we talk about crime when this Congress is prepared, this year, to spend 11 times more for the military than for education; when 21% of our kids drop out of high school; when a recent study told us that twice as many young workers now earn poverty wages as 10 years ago; when the gap between the rich and the poor is growing wider, and when the rate of poverty continues to grow?

Do you think maybe that might have some relationship to crime?

Mr. Chairman, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them.

But it is also my view that through the neglect of our government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming today tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. And Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world, and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country, and all of the executions in the world… will not make that situation right.

We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails. Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance. Thank you.”

[Number23]

45. If I'd said any of that, your typically panicked, nonsensical post would have a point.

And seeing you type that mess to every single person that dared to respond to that person's post doesn't seem panicky at all. Not one bit.

[great white snark]

24. +1

[Luminous Animal]

30. Here are Bernie's comments in full...

“Mr. Chairman, let me begin with a profound remark: Two plus two equals four.

In other words, there is a logical and rational process called cause and effect. In terms of Newtonian physics, that means that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, fellow members of the House, there are reasons why things happen, as controversial as that statement may be.

A farmer neglects to tend and care for his fields— it is likely that the crop will fail.

A company neglects to invest in research and development— it is likely that company will not be profitable.

In a similar way, a society which neglects, which oppresses and which disdains a very significant part of its population—which leaves them hungry, impoverished, unemployed, uneducated, and utterly without hope, will, through cause and effect, create a population which is bitter, which is angry, which is violent, and a society which is crime-ridden. That is the case in America, and it is the case in other countries throughout the world.

Mr. Chairman, how do we talk about the very serious crime problem in America without mentioning, without mentioning, that we have the highest rate of childhood poverty in the industrialized world, by far, with 22 percent of our children in poverty and 5 million kids hungry today?

Do you think maybe that might have some relationship to crime?

How do we talk about crime when this Congress is prepared, this year, to spend 11 times more for the military than for education; when 21% of our kids drop out of high school; when a recent study told us that twice as many young workers now earn poverty wages as 10 years ago; when the gap between the rich and the poor is growing wider, and when the rate of poverty continues to grow?

Do you think maybe that might have some relationship to crime?

Mr. Chairman, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them.

But it is also my view that through the neglect of our government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming today tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. And Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world, and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country, and all of the executions in the world… will not make that situation right.

We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails. Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance. Thank you.”

[giftedgirl77]

26. Lol, well well well.

[Luminous Animal]

31. Here are Bernie's comments in full...

“Mr. Chairman, let me begin with a profound remark: Two plus two equals four.

In other words, there is a logical and rational process called cause and effect. In terms of Newtonian physics, that means that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, fellow members of the House, there are reasons why things happen, as controversial as that statement may be.

A farmer neglects to tend and care for his fields— it is likely that the crop will fail.

A company neglects to invest in research and development— it is likely that company will not be profitable.

In a similar way, a society which neglects, which oppresses and which disdains a very significant part of its population—which leaves them hungry, impoverished, unemployed, uneducated, and utterly without hope, will, through cause and effect, create a population which is bitter, which is angry, which is violent, and a society which is crime-ridden. That is the case in America, and it is the case in other countries throughout the world.

Mr. Chairman, how do we talk about the very serious crime problem in America without mentioning, without mentioning, that we have the highest rate of childhood poverty in the industrialized world, by far, with 22 percent of our children in poverty and 5 million kids hungry today?

Do you think maybe that might have some relationship to crime?

How do we talk about crime when this Congress is prepared, this year, to spend 11 times more for the military than for education; when 21% of our kids drop out of high school; when a recent study told us that twice as many young workers now earn poverty wages as 10 years ago; when the gap between the rich and the poor is growing wider, and when the rate of poverty continues to grow?

Do you think maybe that might have some relationship to crime?

Mr. Chairman, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them.

But it is also my view that through the neglect of our government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming today tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. And Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world, and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country, and all of the executions in the world… will not make that situation right.

We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails. Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance. Thank you.”

[DCBob]

21. Hillary's a racist now??

Good grief.

[Cheese Sandwich]

22. Only when it's a political advantage.

[great white snark]

25. Or only in your mind.

Holy fuck this hate driven desperation is nuts.

[Kittycat]

32. For the OP/preserving history: Bernie

Since others were quick to point to Bernie already on this thread. For the sake of preserving history and Bernie's stance on the issue, at the link are several quotes and videos on how he believed that mass incarceration was wrong. How his vote was a compromise to get funding for another key provisions approved, like the 10yr assault weapons ban and the Violance Against Women act.


http://www.vox.com/2016/2/26/11116412/bernie-sanders-mass-incarceration

[notadmblnd]

36. Several of us here have posted links to the truth w/video of Sanders uttering the words himself.

Those that came here pointing the finger at Sanders saying- "he voted for the crime bill, Hillary did not" will completely ignore the truth.

[Kittycat]

38. No doubt

It was posted all over this week. I'm not sure who people are trying to fool, except themselves.

[notadmblnd]

42. They need to be able to fool themselves in order to justify their defense of the indefensible.

[Onlooker]

35. One would presume that black people know better ...

... since most blacks apparently support Clinton, we can presume they have a greater understanding of the issues than other people. Perhaps you're black, and if so you ought to offer some insight into why blacks are not supporting Bernie. But, if you're white, you ought to ask intelligent questions as to why blacks are supporting Clinton more than Bernie. Perhaps your bias is distorting your thinking, or perhaps you don't understand the fact that the Clintons despite their mistakes have done more than blacks than Bernie has.

[Cheese Sandwich]

41. Hillary's super-predator sales pitch was a racist sales pitch

For the prison industrial complex.

The whole point was to scare middle class white people into supporting long prison terms, excessive policing, the drug war, and even jailing kids like adults. Feeding the prison industry machine. It's always hungry, never satisfied. The more it has the more it wants. It runs on pure greed.

[Onlooker]

43. You're missing the point

Yes, Hillary has said and done some bad things, but you have to factor that in in terms of what she's done what's right. I mean, Bernie didn't fight the fight except as a young man. He went off to all white, liberal Vermont, while Hillary stayed in the trenches, in Arkansas, NY, and DC actually doing battle. My guess is that blacks understand that when battling racists, you can't always be pure as the driven snow. Bernie stayed away from the frontlines and had a largely homogeneous electorate so was always able to do the right thing.

[Cheese Sandwich]

44. You're missing the point: Hillary Clinton's racism

She ran a racial campaign against Obama in 2008. She called kids superpredators in the 90s. She said Iraqi's should be thankful because we gave them the gift of freedom. She said child refugees from Honduras should be rejected to "send a message" to their families. She defends Rahm Emanuel who covers up Chicago police crime. She helped sell welfare cuts. She helped sell job killing trade deals thathit black communities hard. She defends Wall Street banks that caused the financial collapse and housing crisis, which devastated black communities. The point is all this racist violence.

[WillyT]

37. You Cannot Argue With People That Firmily Believe That 2 + 2 = 5...

& Rec !!!