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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:15 AM Feb 2016

Moment of Truth: Clinton/corp media are working overtime to try to get Bernie Supporters to give up.


If she really had it in the bag, they wouldn't be working so hard.

It is manipulation. Do not fall for it!

Fight for the future of America's Youth.




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Moment of Truth: Clinton/corp media are working overtime to try to get Bernie Supporters to give up. (Original Post) Skwmom Feb 2016 OP
Some call it campaigning and media coverage of the campaign wyldwolf Feb 2016 #1
your new at this aren't you. well it'll take 3-4 elections to figure it out PatrynXX Feb 2016 #40
Please note, that Bernie will need the people you insult in the GE. Or, are you new at this? 33taw Feb 2016 #56
Actually, no wyldwolf Feb 2016 #60
Dozens of specific instances where Bernie has been ignored or purposely misrepresented. PatrickforO Feb 2016 #54
You mean like taking a cherry picked clip of a speech Amimnoch Feb 2016 #59
Is this your first election? hack89 Feb 2016 #2
Actually the pattern becomes clearest after repeat viewings Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #3
But they haven't done that for Trump (so far). But then again, they sure wanted to do Skwmom Feb 2016 #6
But he's a billionaire, so that make him OK in their view. eom Fawke Em Feb 2016 #48
There is also the issue of the "local evening news syndrome." pangaia Feb 2016 #49
Trumps outrageousness gets M$M ratings notadmblnd Feb 2016 #52
K&R damn right Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #4
And on DU Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #5
Hoping for a bit fredamae Feb 2016 #7
ANYONE who saw Tweety's "interview" of Sanders... dchill Feb 2016 #8
yeah, the one where Matthews asked Bernie how he'd gets his legislation passed and he said... wyldwolf Feb 2016 #62
Why be obtuse? dchill Feb 2016 #63
Sander is a good example for you. What most call "reality" you call "obtuse." wyldwolf Feb 2016 #64
Are we to believe... Buddyblazon Feb 2016 #65
Yep. "SC is the big test for Bernie!!" Breathlessly repeated. Never mind OH or MA. lostnfound Feb 2016 #9
I believe he is trailing in those states as well DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #10
Hey I'm not a professional at this and there's a dog and a kid vying for attention lostnfound Feb 2016 #12
Did you read her letter? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #16
Yep. MHP is such a refreshing voice, patient, respectful, intelligent, reflective and substantial. lostnfound Feb 2016 #27
Hillary is in a race against time, and she is losing. kristopher Feb 2016 #13
.... disillusioned73 Feb 2016 #70
Take it all of the way to the convention! Broward Feb 2016 #11
Every time her supporters pull that noamnety Feb 2016 #14
Oligarchs! Wall Street! nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #15
End Times. randome Feb 2016 #17
Are you saying these aren't legitimate concerns? Beowulf Feb 2016 #29
Maybe Clinton should try to bring them to "heel." Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #34
Scotus!! artislife Feb 2016 #36
Futile effort. I cannot support someone who stands for the Third Way and war and cluster bombs and djean111 Feb 2016 #18
A glaring example - ""Left-Leaning" Economists and the Illusion" RiverLover Feb 2016 #19
This type of attack is normally a Republican tactic. Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #23
That's exactly why this fight against Hillary feels exactly like we're fighting republicans. RiverLover Feb 2016 #28
+1000 mountain grammy Feb 2016 #30
Yesterday I watch her basically give Bernie's stump speech... dchill Feb 2016 #20
This Citizen Will Never Vote For A Clinton Again - Twice Was Enough - Let Down Both Times cantbeserious Feb 2016 #21
This Citizen Will Never Enable the Republican Apocalypse emulatorloo Feb 2016 #41
IMHO - A Vote For HRC In The Primary Is A Vote For Trump In The General Election cantbeserious Feb 2016 #43
So vote for Bernie in the primary as many of us are doing emulatorloo Feb 2016 #46
Ain't going to happen dpatbrown Feb 2016 #22
Time to make another donation to Bernie! In for the long haul! nt PonyUp Feb 2016 #24
I was bored a couple of nights ago, ejbr Feb 2016 #33
Too late. I already voted for Bernie. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #25
Bernie supporters are not giving up Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #26
I give up ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #31
I give up... PonyUp Feb 2016 #35
Indeed. An excellent strategy. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #37
If we all gave a dollar every time that happened, we could pay off the national debt. nt PonyUp Feb 2016 #38
Not just once, but twice. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #42
She does have a very good chance to win..but... DCBob Feb 2016 #32
Taking NO vote for granted! That's why Hillary is winning! :-D NurseJackie Feb 2016 #39
I'm in until the bitter end Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #44
don't worry..there are plenty of us left restorefreedom Feb 2016 #55
Wow.. you donated that much? DCBob Feb 2016 #61
I'm a big softy, what can I say. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #67
People like you give me hope for the future. DCBob Feb 2016 #69
I'm 61 - so I'm not too much of the future Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #71
We are the same age and I think we both can have an impact on the future. DCBob Feb 2016 #72
Well, it certainly wouldn't be Hillary. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #73
I'm just waiting for the untelevised riots. I wonder if internet providers will suppress valerief Feb 2016 #45
Yup. War deception tactics 101. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #47
When people are desperate, Rebkeh Feb 2016 #50
The future of all of us. PatrickforO Feb 2016 #51
This is SO true. Merryland Feb 2016 #53
K&R blackspade Feb 2016 #57
i have a theory as to why restorefreedom Feb 2016 #58
K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #66
When it's a tie no less Matariki Feb 2016 #68

wyldwolf

(43,868 posts)
1. Some call it campaigning and media coverage of the campaign
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:19 AM
Feb 2016

From what I hear, it happens every few years.

wyldwolf

(43,868 posts)
60. Actually, no
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 12:42 PM
Feb 2016

Not new to this by any means, which is why it's so easy to laugh at the perpetually poutraged.

PatrickforO

(14,584 posts)
54. Dozens of specific instances where Bernie has been ignored or purposely misrepresented.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:58 AM
Feb 2016

One that comes to mind is when MSNBC, which is owned by Comcast, cut off footage of Bernie just as he was criticizing the TPP, which Comcast supports. Look at Chris Matthews.

But that's OK. We have the social media and so can debunk a lot of the outright lies or misrepresentations.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
59. You mean like taking a cherry picked clip of a speech
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 12:13 PM
Feb 2016

About gang activities back in 1996 and using it to make a Post hoc ergo propter hoc false equivalency argument that it means black?

That kind of misrepresented. I could see where that would irritate someone.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
3. Actually the pattern becomes clearest after repeat viewings
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:26 AM
Feb 2016

There is always a special effort made in the media to push insurgent anti-establishment candidates toward an exit door at every opportunity. That simply is a fact regardless of how much support they do or do not actually have.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
6. But they haven't done that for Trump (so far). But then again, they sure wanted to do
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:37 AM
Feb 2016

whatever they could to keep voters from supporting Bernie and Trump sure helps out with that.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
49. There is also the issue of the "local evening news syndrome."
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:48 AM
Feb 2016

Fire, murders, massive vehicle crashes, war, disasters..

Brings in the viewers.


notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
52. Trumps outrageousness gets M$M ratings
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:56 AM
Feb 2016

That is why all the talking heads give him so much attention. In reality, Republicans are shitting in their pants over Trump.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
5. And on DU
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:35 AM
Feb 2016

all of a sudden we get all these "new" posters saying EXACTLY the same thing and it's all pro-corporate master.

wyldwolf

(43,868 posts)
62. yeah, the one where Matthews asked Bernie how he'd gets his legislation passed and he said...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 12:51 PM
Feb 2016

"the people." Then when he was reminded the people don't vote in the Senate, he waved Matthews off and said something about 'the people.'

Then when asked if he's ever had to get 60 votes for anything, Sanders waved the question off.

Naivety or willful misleading of his followers - Sanders.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
65. Are we to believe...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:00 PM
Feb 2016

that Clinton will magically wish away the conservative hatred for her and pull votes from the right side of the aisle? If we are to believe that Bernie will never get the votes from congress...then how in the hell is Hillary going to get them?

Because the Republicans love her so much. That's why. Because Republicans don't understand that ever siding with Clinton is political suicide for them.

:giant eyeroll:

lostnfound

(16,186 posts)
9. Yep. "SC is the big test for Bernie!!" Breathlessly repeated. Never mind OH or MA.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:08 AM
Feb 2016

Oh and he'd better get "within 10 points"... That's where they want to set the bar.
And he "gave up on SC".. Guess he was supposed to spend seven days campaigning in South Carolina and then cover TWELVE states in the next two days. That would be very stupid strategy wouldn't it?

lostnfound

(16,186 posts)
12. Hey I'm not a professional at this and there's a dog and a kid vying for attention
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:19 AM
Feb 2016

The point wasn't which one he is winning in. Just that they are devoting hundreds and hundreds of hours of their time to South Carolina and barely minutes to any of the other states that are voting just three days later. Our corporate media just sucks. And I'm really missing Melissa Harris Perry this morning, too.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
16. Did you read her letter?
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:28 AM
Feb 2016
http://tinyurl.com/zm8t2v7



I like her. I like Al. I wasn't a fan of Ed Schultz but he had a right to be heard too...

FAUX NEWS kills CNN and MSNBC in the ratings and that sucks. I don't know what MSNBC' s game plan is.

lostnfound

(16,186 posts)
27. Yep. MHP is such a refreshing voice, patient, respectful, intelligent, reflective and substantial.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:06 AM
Feb 2016

There's a lot of good still on MSNBC - Rachel's coverage of Flint, Chris Hayes is focused on important issues like food production and the drought. But when the chips are down, MSNBC I'm afraid is showing it's true colors. Anything that threatens the status quo is a problem.

Fox is available everywhere. MSNBC requires a higher tier cable, and I have stayed in places that did not have it. I'm sure that's no accident either.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
13. Hillary is in a race against time, and she is losing.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:24 AM
Feb 2016

Because the stats show that, ultimately, the arguments of Senator Sanders are persuasive.

Even with a media blackout on Sander's message - the word is getting out and his numbers are steadily climbing. So the Hillary Campaign is racing to create a series of narratives designed to create a bandwagon effect. Sadly for her camp, those mindless memes crumble almost as fast as their press minions can promulgate them. And this one you are helping to promote, along with the 'Super Tuesday Ends It' fairy tale are going to meet the same fate as the 'Sander's isn't a serious candidate' and the 'Nevada Firewall' false memes met.

Sander's won't "win" Super Tuesday, and he might not win the primary; after all, the antidemocratic forces arrayed against him are like nothing I've ever seen. But I can make one prediction that will hold. Bernie Sanders is going to be causing you and the rest of the Hillary camp a huge amount of anxiety for a long time to come and it isn't going to end with this primary election.

A public notice:
Third Way Democrats your day is done; Bernie Democrats have been born and we are coming to take our party back.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
14. Every time her supporters pull that
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:26 AM
Feb 2016

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it brings back "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it.""


And I'm left thinking "Really? THAT'S what you want to remind people about?"

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. End Times.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:30 AM
Feb 2016

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Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
34. Maybe Clinton should try to bring them to "heel."
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:21 AM
Feb 2016

Instead of throwing black people out of her speeches who have legitimate concerns.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
18. Futile effort. I cannot support someone who stands for the Third Way and war and cluster bombs and
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:34 AM
Feb 2016

the TPP, to name a few shitty things she stands for. Cannot do it.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
19. A glaring example - ""Left-Leaning" Economists and the Illusion"
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:43 AM
Feb 2016
...On February 15, 2016, the Times published an article called, "Left-leaning economists question costs of Sanders' economic plans." The article cited, interviewed or quoted five establishment (if liberal) economists (and one pundit) critiquing, attacking and at times flat-out mocking the "seriousness" and plausibility of Sanders' economic plans for things like single-payer health care and major investments in infrastructure or higher education. The attacks were largely aimed at an analysis calculated by University of Massachusetts economist Gerald Friedman, using what Friedman and others insist is conventional economic modeling. The Times' sources described Sanders' plans and Friedman's conclusions in the following ways: "puppies and rainbows"; "magic flying puppies with winning Lotto tickets tied to their collars"; "fairy tales" and "wishful thinking."

Not a single economist who supports these plans (and many exist) was quoted in the story. Nor, for that matter, was Friedman, whose work was attacked by name. "The New York Times did not contact me [for the article]," Friedman told Truthout. "And they still haven't contacted me." The article also failed to mention that hundreds of economists have signed a letter expressing personal support for Sanders' economic agenda. Former US Labor Secretary Robert Reich is among the signatories. Other signatories include Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research and Richard Wolff of Democracy at Work and the New School for Social Research, both of whom are more accurately reflective of "left-leaning economists," than ones cited by the Times.

The article ignored many other important facts. It made no mention of the many studies that have been done over the years that show single-payer on a national scale to not only be viable, but also to have great benefits. Some of these studies were even written by Ken Thorpe, who was one of the critics cited in the Times article and the author of a paper written in January that suggests Sanders is underestimating the cost and overstating the benefits.....

........The Times' article blew up across social media and other media outlets. This was in part because Paul Krugman, the influential economist and Times columnist, and a vocal supporter of Hillary Clinton, endorsed the absurdly one-sided article on Twitter and his blog where he dismissed Sanders' single-payer proposal as a "magical unicorn" (again we see mockery as a way to portray supporters of Sanders as unserious, or "on another planet&quot . It wasn't long before hundreds of outlets ran with the story, demonstrating the "agenda-setting" function of the Times.

To further cement this narrative, two days later four former chairs of the Council of Economic Advisers (CEA), wrote a letter to Friedman and Sanders, saying these projections were "fantastical claims," ran counter to the Democratic Party's best traditions of evidence-based policy making" and "undermine the credibility of the progressive agenda." This prompted another wave of articles further painting Sanders' proposals as "voodoo economics," to borrow another instance of mockery in Krugman's writing on the issue. One Huffington Post headline discussed how Sanders' plan was "torn apart" by former Clinton and Obama economists, reinforcing the false notion that "even the left" knows single-payer health care and tuition-free college are not serious proposals.


*****This blitz of criticism, made by just a handful of economists - most of them deeply entrenched in the Democratic Party establishment - was presented so uncritically in the dominant media that the casual observer of the news would have no clue that their arguments are in dispute. *****

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34978-the-dominant-media-left-leaning-economists-and-the-illusion-of-consensus


The game is rigged in so many ways.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
23. This type of attack is normally a Republican tactic.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016

They are sewing the seeds of an irreparable split in the Democratic Party if they keep this up. It's unfair and disingenuous. Like Bernie told Chris Mathews the other night, "You just aren't getting it!" Our country can certainly accomplish Bernie's proposals, many other countries do this. It could be done with money saved from reigning in the fraud, waste, and abuse in the Defense Budget. It's about priorities, not ability!

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
28. That's exactly why this fight against Hillary feels exactly like we're fighting republicans.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:09 AM
Feb 2016

Its so frustratingly bizarre. But then, they are conservatives at the core, just more reasonable, or flexible in manipulation of public opinion, something...

We are fighting for Democratic principles. Hillary just happens to embody all that is wrong within the current Democratic party.

We need another FDR. Bernie is that person.

dchill

(38,510 posts)
20. Yesterday I watch her basically give Bernie's stump speech...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:45 AM
Feb 2016

with the word "I" added about a hundred times. She was nervous.

emulatorloo

(44,135 posts)
41. This Citizen Will Never Enable the Republican Apocalypse
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

As too many American Citizens lives will be destroyed.

Vote however you want. I am voting for the Democratic nominee. Hopefully it will be Bernie.

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
22. Ain't going to happen
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:53 AM
Feb 2016

Senator Sanders supporters have waited much to long for someone the caliber of him to come along. We know we have an excellent change of winning the primary.

To all you Clinton supporters, you have a true battle on your hands.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
33. I was bored a couple of nights ago,
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:20 AM
Feb 2016

so I donated 30 dollars to Bernie. Donating what I can spare is turning into a hobby. It's not about Bernie, it's not about me, it's about US.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
37. Indeed. An excellent strategy.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:26 AM
Feb 2016

I created a thread not too long ago for people go to and donate (contained the ActBlue link) every time Clinton performs a classless campaign stunt.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
32. She does have a very good chance to win..but...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:17 AM
Feb 2016

a good candidate never lets up.

When your opponent is drowning... throw him an anchor.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
39. Taking NO vote for granted! That's why Hillary is winning! :-D
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

Well... there's that, PLUS the fact that she's MUCH MORE QUALIFIED than any other candidate out there.


 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
44. I'm in until the bitter end
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

Unfortunately, I getting close to maxed out - over $2300 so far. I fear many of his supporters are getting close. I hope he can continue to attract more donors to keep thing rolling!

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
55. don't worry..there are plenty of us left
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

i am not even close to maxing. i have to watch the dollars, but i could do several more donations of 25. after that, i might have to switch to 15, but i can still donate for a looooooong time.

and i know there are more of us out there,plus he is getting new supporters!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
61. Wow.. you donated that much?
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 12:44 PM
Feb 2016

That's amazing and I applaud you for that even though I am a Hillary supporter.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
67. I'm a big softy, what can I say.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 05:40 PM
Feb 2016

Plus, this is the equivalent of life and death for me my kids, grandkids, and life as we've known it.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
71. I'm 61 - so I'm not too much of the future
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

The future is owned by the young people, if they choose to exert themselves. It's hard for me to comprehend the mess we've (USA) gotten ourselves into.

Thank you, Bob. I appreciate the kind words.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
72. We are the same age and I think we both can have an impact on the future.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:23 PM
Feb 2016

BTW, I just want to say I totally understand why you like Bernie and have worked so hard to get him elected. I do think we need a revolution much like what Bernie is saying.. I just think Bernie is the wrong messenger. This thing isn't over and I do think Bernie is going to have big impact on our party regardless.. and that's a good thing.

Cheers!

valerief

(53,235 posts)
45. I'm just waiting for the untelevised riots. I wonder if internet providers will suppress
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

the videos of them.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
50. When people are desperate,
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:49 AM
Feb 2016

they can't give up so the joke is on them.

Give up? Lol, it ain't gonna happen.

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