Hillary DID call black kids Super Predators, here is a Wash Po article that covers it all

[peacebird]

"Of course, every part of Williams’s short-lived protest was a reference to actual language that Clinton used in another speech. That one happened in 1996 when Clinton was on the stump advancing President Bill Clinton’s criminal justice reforms. That’s true of the “super-predator” language Williams mentioned. That’s true of the phrase, “We have to bring them to heel.” And although, Williams didn't mention it, Clinton’s 1996 speech included some language about these so-called super-predators implying that they were a generation of guilt- and compassion-free sociopaths who, in the interest of society, simply had to be contained."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/26/why-hillary-clintons-super-predator-apology-is-such-a-big-moment-for-political-protest/

Includes a link to ViDEO of Clinton back in the day saying it

[Fairgo]

1. More and more I see people lying in the face of truth

Approaching the fight for democracy as if it were a game, and a game without honor. It is quite disturbing to watch.

[Broward]

3. I hardly see any difference between the psyche and tactics of Hillary supporters

and former GWB supporters that were once roundly mocked around here.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

5. I agree... sad how some here put winning over principled debate.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Jenny_92808]

54. I join you in

agreeing with Broward. Well said.

[libtodeath]

9. A beautiful and eye opening way to say it.

Thank you.

[cantbeserious]

2. Compelling Wisdom - Vs - Disheartening Cynicism - The Choice Is Clear

eom

[oasis]

4. Call me old fashioned, but my sympathy has always been for the victims

of gang violence.

[ret5hd]

6. Yeah. And on occasion I like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

Don't know what either of our replies have to do with the OP though.

[eomer]

10. Sure. Call me progressive, but I've always felt sympathy for kids growing up in horrible conditions.

Call me liberal too.

But unlike Hillary, I don't ask to be called progressive, moderate, and conservative all at the same time. (Or maybe it's at different times as the situation/audience calls for).

[7962]

33. If growing up in horrible conditions is the excuse,

then violent crime should have been through the roof in the 30s, 40s, 50s & 60s when poverty was a helluva lot WORSE. Not to mention legalized discrimination. Yet it wasnt.

I'm not a hillary supporter, but I'm not going to blast her for saying something thats true either. People who continually offend and have records of violence as long as your arm ARE different from the run-of-the-mill crook.

[eomer]

60. People who continually offend are often a result of systems we could change.

End the fraudulent War on Drugs, spend the money saved on education and jobs, end privatized incarceration and along with it the over-criminalization of our society - in other words, fulfill our responsibilities as a decent society - and then we can see what else we need to do to help keep kids out of trouble. Oh, and where I live the schools have been putting kids on out-of-school suspension at the drop of a hat, and of course with a racial bias, which is a recipe for getting kids into trouble. There are a lot of things we ought to do to help kids. The right wing position that the Clintons have pushed along with Republicans is obviously designed to foster this problem and profit from it, along with the byproduct of disenfranchising millions of people's voting rights.

[7962]

72. Out-of-school suspension is BS for sure. Kids view it as a vacation.

We havent had that around here for years now, unless the student has been violent.
The bigger problem is the sorry parents. Kids who have parents who dont give a shit are a lot more likely to not care about school. A friend of mine who teaches was telling me how he's had to explain to his 3rd graders that cussing a blue streak isnt allowed in school, regardless of how much its done at home. And that you cant leave trash on the floor at school either!!

[hamsterjill]

12. Me, too.

I understand your reply perfectly. It's very telling that some others around here don't get the meaning, isn't it?

I guess some believe that those who commit crimes against others should not be held accountable. Have we really sunk to that level of mentality???!!! That scares the hell out of me.

[oasis]

19. Some find it more useful to address the "language" Hillary used 20 years ago.

[Bradical79]

29. Actually, it's about reduction of recidivism rates and crime itself -nt

[Jenny_92808]

13. So you think that the

three strikes law that Hillary helped champion was a great success? It was an abysmal failure that has ruined so many lives.

[oasis]

17. Drive by shootings also "ruined so many lives" and ended many others.

[localroger]

24. I am a victim of a drive by shooting

I do not need people who shoplift pizzas going to jail for the rest of their lives because it happened, thank you very much.

[oasis]

32. I'm glad you survived, others did not.

If you want to make this about shoplifting pizzas, we have nothing further to discuss.

[localroger]

34. It's about generalization of blame and three-strikes laws

The "super predator" label is a smear that was used to sell policies that hurt a lot of young black people who never committed a drive by shooting. One infamous case was a guy who went away for the rest of his life for shoplifting a pizza. There is a direct line between the "super predator" rhetoric and that young man's sorry fate.

An entire generation was "brought to heel" because they were portrayed as being so dangerous that these crazy outcomes were an acceptable side effect of what "had to be done." And in the end, the crazy policies didn't really have much of an effect on the real problem of gang violence, but they ruined the lives of a hell of a lot of people who never touched a gun.

[Jenny_92808]

41. So if you are black,

you are a drive by shooter?

Full ignore

[oasis]

47. It's obvious you've ignored the post you're referring to.

[Dustlawyer]

35. Ruined many lives!

Hillary remarks that "...the causes for why these "kids" become Super Preditors need to be looked at..." she never did address the causes except to lock them up and throw away the keys! So yes, everyone old enough remembers the crack epidemic and the resulting violence, nothing was ever done to prevent it except a war on drugs to lock up black people!

[A Simple Game]

21. Don't forget the victims are on both sides of that divide.

One side is systemic and the other individual.

[oasis]

23. During that period, minority communities plagued with widespread murder,

armed robbery, witness intimidation and crack cocaine distribution, were pleading for immediate solutions.

[A Simple Game]

31. And they needed a quick fix at the time, but sadly long term solutions

were sacrificed in the name of profits for prisons.

Wish that there was a profit to be made feeding the poor, continuing education for drop outs, and jobs for the youth. If all of those and other endeavors had a profit motive they would soon have funding instead of prison construction.

[azurnoir]

37. I lived in one such minority community during that period-North Minneapolis

the problem was everyone was considered guilty no innocent vs guilty no good guy bad guy , sometimes the police would simply cordon off a block or 2 of a residential street, not projects mind you it was a mixture of owner occupied houses and rental properties and if you were walking down the street you were face down and usually cuffed - didn't matter whether you 8 or 80

eta suspected crack houses were simply attacked using front end loaders or bulldozers that was the MPD version of a no knock raid, one such house was raided in such a manner a few doors down from me-it shuck our whole and knocked me down I thought the furnace had exploded

[TM99]

52. Sorry son, it was a myth.

Violent crime was no more or no less about these 'superpredators' then as it is now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511341383

It tells me an awful lot about you that you still believe this racist myth today. You might want to look at that with some deep self-awareness.

[oasis]

58. #1. If you have any offspring on DU, great , but I am NOT one of them.

So please, get that straight right now.

#2. Try asking the residents of the minority communities who lived through that period, if murders, armed robberies, witness intimidation and widespread crack distribution, was only a "myth".

[TM99]

62. Listen buddy

I am a minority. I worked with the kids from those communities. I was in the trenches. Where the fuck were you?

You obviously didn't read my thread or you wouldn't have made such a boneheaded reply.

[oasis]

68. I read your OP "buddy" and I soundly reject it.

I lived in LA during that time period and I know what the hell I' m talking about. I know actual victims and families whole suffered from gang criminality.

Your perspective is exactly your own, The trenches you claim to have worked in must have been comfortably far from the front lines I have operated in on a daily basis.

[TM99]

70. It is irrelevant that you lived in LA.

I actually worked in the psychology field and still do. I worked with gang members, drug addicts, young kids with crime sheets, etc.

No one disputes that gang violence isn't real. Guess what? It is as real today as it was in the 1990's. Why? Because Clinton's superpredator myth fueled crime bill did shit to stop it. There was zero impact from the racist laws that came from this myth.

So your's is the biased perception based only on some anecdotal experiences that fly in the face of research evidence and professional experience.

[Mbrow]

22. One of the many people I've work with over the Years

Was a gang member growing up, and while he had stepped away from it i will never forget the conversations we had about living that life. One of the main points i remember so clearly was him saying, "in my hood you were either a member or a victim,i'm not a victim."
But as soon as he was able to leave that life, he did.

[oasis]

26. True, it was a sad situation for all concerned. While I understand

how adverse social conditions have forced many to turn to violent crime, my sympathy will always be for the actual victims.

[Bradical79]

38. It's hard to believe you understand that when you support non-solutions

The so called "tough on crime" stance you support is not an effective solution. It's very profitable and emotionally satisfying for certain people, but really has no positive effect that I can tell. It's been a pretty devastating mentality that's created a lot more victims.

[oasis]

40. I am for workable solutions for today's problems. It's hard to find

ANY solution for what has already occurred 20 years back.

[tazkcmo]

55. Me too.

Not repeating past mistakes as electing Sec Clinton would be. She had a chance to make a big difference and went with treating symptoms while ignoring the cause.

Which Hillary should I vote for? 3 strikes Hillary? Welfare Reform Hillary? Progressive Hillary? Moderate Hillary? So many candidates!

Reminds me of the schizophrenic neighbor I had in KC who would tell the hostess when asked how many in his party, "Party of 7, table for 1."

[noiretextatique]

75. But that's exactly the solution needed

gangs did not just appear out of some mysterious vacuum. the problems of entrenched racism, isolation, poverty, lack of opportunity, pooe education, and various law enforcement schemes DO go back over 20 years and more. yo cannot fix a problem by ignoring its cause.

[kgnu_fan]

7. kick

[Vinca]

8. It appears they don't care what she called them or that they were ordered "brought to heel."

There's an underlying something going on here and I'd love to know what it is. You don't dismiss a person promoting everything that would benefit you and who fought for civil rights in favor of a person who has called you names and supported her husband's bills that hurt you unless there's a reason no one is talking about.

[Jenny_92808]

14. I think it is because

many AA's do not know Bernie. They are just now being introduced to him. I would say that AA's have good reason to Not want a republican to win, so they are voting for the democrat that they think has the best shot to win. Just my theory.

[Jenny_92808]

44. "brought to heel"

a word used for a dog.

How to teach your dog to heel

[Vinca]

69. I'm aware of the useage in dog training. And that doesn't bother people of color???

[TM99]

71. You would think it does.

But apparently only PoC who support Sanders are troubled by it, whereas those that support Clinton are rationalizing it, justifying it, and explaining it away because otherwise it would be quite uncomfortable psychologically speaking.

Go figure! Amazing what some will do and believe and deny to support a candidate like her.

[Jitter65]

11. Did the WP also print this?

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
SANDERS: Clearly there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them.
KEITH: The early 1990s were a very different time. America was coming out of the crack epidemic. Violent crime was at its peak. News reports led with carjackings and gang violence. Again, Nicholas Turner.

[ybbor]

15. What is the point of this post?

Bernie is stating the truth.

He did not call them names, nor did he use dehumanizing terms to discuss punishment.

I don't see your point.

Nor do I disagree or find offensive anything he said.

[Gore1FL]

18. Without any context, I can't imagine why the WP would print it.

I'd like to know what he said for the whole conversation in order to have valid context. I know who Sanders is. Who is Keith? The only Nicholas Turner I am aware of is the college football player who died.

Fundamentally, there actually are "Clearly there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them. "

I can list a few people to validate this:
Terry Nichols
Ted Kaczynski
Dennis Rader
?Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

Can you post a link to the entire text?

[HereSince1628]

16. 'Hard-working' Americans don't care what she called other people's kids

Super-predator would -never- have implications for the safety and futures of their kids.

They've got nothing to worry about, so why would they worry... oh, ya, that election year thingy. They would worry their candidate of choice would be sullied.

[Feeling the Bern]

20. This is posted in GDP while the pro-Hillary argument is posted in a protected HRC fan group

that banned differing opinions.

What are HRC fans afraid of?

[NRaleighLiberal]

25. Coronation interruption. N/T

[Jenny_92808]

46. The Hillary group banned me

and I didn't do anything wrong. It appears that they want their echo chamber to themselves.

[Loki]

27. What did you say to the repukes

when they kept repeating Senator Robert Byrd, a great gentleman and a very fine Democratic Senator from West Virginia, a member of the KKK? Did you say, that was a long time ago, and he has changed? This argument is become stale and stupid and disingenuous.

[EdwardBernays]

28. 100%

And HRC trying to whitewash the term is dog whistle racism.

[Broward]

30. Many of her supporters could care less what she says or what she stands for.

It's just about getting her elected.

[randome]

36. It's about working with what we have, not someone we wish we had.

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[MisterP]

73. "the only hope"--that's why they're always attacking Trump,

rather than even bragging that she could beat him: the DNC isn't well-known for garnering victories in GEs, now is it?

[UglyGreed]

39. Did Hillary give Ashley

back her 500 bucks since she was not allowed to stay????

[krawhitham]

43. if she got a refund I'm sure it was prorated

[krawhitham]

42. Saying “We have to bring them to heel.” is worse than calling them Super Predators, right?

or is it just me

[Jenny_92808]

49. I agree

She certainly was not talking about "high HEELs"

Basic dog obedience - Making a dog HEEL

[Amimnoch]

45. If you repeat a lie often enought, people will believe it?

Or something like that. Who was it that used that quote again?

The cherry picked clip from a speech on GANG (something that isn't, and wasn't at that time even majority black statistically), yet your side seems VERY interested in MAKING and altering the argument that was being made.

[Nye Bevan]

48. She didn't use the word "black". She didn't say "African American". She used the word "gangs".

So unless you think "gang" implies "black" (which is not only an inaccurate assumption but a racist one) she never called "black kids" anything at all, let alone "super predators".

[Jenny_92808]

51. You are right,

but it was obvious code, meaning black

[notadmblnd]

56. if that is what you have to tell yourself in order to be able to sleep with your decision

by all means- proceed.

[40RatRod]

61. You are absolutly correct but...

...you will never be able to convince Bernie's supporters. Facts don't mean a lot on DU.

[DCBob]

66. Yes, there are all sorts of gangs in this country.. not just black.

Seems like manufactured outrage to me.

[Nye Bevan]

67. One of my favorite movies, "Goodfellas", opens with.....

..... "as far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster". If this is the best ammunition Hillary's opponents have, it's not looking good for them.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

50. Who was she trying to pander to at that time?

I expect she was pandering to white voters?

[Jenny_92808]

57. Yep

And that says a lot about her character.

[Jenny_92808]

53. I am offended by what Hillary said and

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I am of Scandinavian ancestry.

"...a generation of guilt- and compassion-free sociopaths who, in the interest of society, simply had to be contained." ~ Hillary

from the article (regarding Clinton crime bill) -
"To be clear, it made the nation’s already-elevated incarceration rate far, far worse. It stripped those convicted of drug crimes of all sorts of post-prison help, including federal student loans, making recidivism all the more likely."

[DirkGently]

59. Worse, Clinton participated in a pattern of manufactured fear.

“The super-predator theory was alway bullshit,” criminal justice researcher Franklin Zimring of the University of California, Berkeley, told BuzzFeed News. “It was political rhetoric cloaking a movement that wanted to lock more people up.”
Even in 1996, when Clinton made her remarks, Zimring and other criminologists suggested that the idea of an ever-increasing homicide rate was based on a fallacy that somehow some kids were just born criminals, and that children under 13 were somehow included in this cohort of super-criminals. “They are worried about desperados in diapers,” he wrote that year in the Los Angeles Times.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/danvergano/superpredator-theory

It's a pattern I associate with conservatives.

1. Find / create bogeyman, preferably an outsider / "other" suitable for framing.

2. Whip up hysteria, utilizing false information and preying on the human foible of imagining monsters under the bed.

3. Use this as a basis to increase police power, curtail personal freedom, and most importantly,

4. FUNNEL LOTS OF MONEY TO PRIVATE INTERESTS.

5. When it begins to become obvious the threat never existed, declare victory, claiming the abusive, exploitive "cure" is what worked.

6. Wash, rinse, repeat.

What bothers me most is that it demonstrates that Clinton's leadership "style" is to simply exploit whatever is available to gain and hold power. She does not swim upstream, but rather finds the current and jumps in.

This is not leadership. It's exploitation and power mongering. It's exactly why things improve so slowly, and sometimes get worse. People who think this way and utilize these techniques are not trying to actually accomplish anything but negotiating power structures for their own benefit. If allies need money, a reason to send them money will present itself. If a vulnerable population can be demonized to generate the fear / repression / profit model noted above, they will be so demonized.

It's not uniquely Hillary Clinton. She is not especially awful. But she is not any different or any better, either.

[TM99]

63. The superpredator myth of the 1990's

was for neoliberal like the white Clintons and Gores what the Satanic Panic was in the 1980's for the born-again Christians.

There is no difference between the two.

[Jenny_92808]

64. Thank you

for saying, so well, the way it is.

[AzDar]

65. K & R

[azmom]

74. Kick

[doc03]

76. The voters in South Carolina don't seem to be concerned n;t

[MadDAsHell]

77. Can't find "black kids" anywhere in the speech?

Are you implying that all gang members are black???