2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum‘Bravo!’ Email Appears To Show Clinton’s Friend Congratulating Her on Bombing of Libya
Wonderful. Now it's a shithole with two rival governments, and all black Africans living there have been killed or have fled.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/18912/bravo-email-shows-anne-marie-slaughter-congratulating-clinton-on-libya
Hillary Clinton has spent much of her presidential campaign running away from her responsibility for the United States disastrous 2011 intervention in Libya. The February 19 release of more emails from her private server may make it harder for her to do so.
In an email with the subject bravo! sent on March 19, 2011the day the United States and its allies began bombing LibyaClinton confidant and former employee Anne-Marie Slaughter appears to praise then-Secretary of State Clinton for convincing a reluctant President Obama to take military action in Libya.
I cannot imagine how exhausted you must be after this week, but I have NEVER been prouder of having worked for you, writes Slaughter, who worked as an advisor to Clinton in the State Department from 2009 to February 3, 2011, and then remained a consultant to the policy planning bureau. Turning POTUS around on this is a major win for everything we have worked for. An earlier email release, which I reported on previously, showed that Slaughter had spent February 2011 imploring Clinton to involve the United States militarily in Libya, insisting that it would change the image of the United States overnight.
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Her role also bears scrutiny as the situation in present-day Libya continues to deteriorate. Far from a successful model of military force, the removal of Qaddafi led to the transformation of Libya into a lawless haven for terrorists, contributing to the ongoing refugee crisis and threatening to lead to renewed Western intervention in the country. The United States has launched two airstrikes against ISIS forces in Libya over the last three months, sent in ground forces as recently as January and has been pressing for a coalition of European countries to act. Today it was revealed by Le Monde that French special forces have been operating against ISIS in Libya for several months.
As the West gets further and further entangled in the Libyan conflict, the media ought to keep pressing Clinton on whether her foreign policy credentials are truly a selling point, given her apparent eagerness for war.
6chars
(3,967 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)but your fingers are faster
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
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Fairgo
(1,571 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)in a different decade, let's say 60s or 70s
iAZZZo
(358 posts)for those wishing to search emails (and why did that snow in d.c. those few days delay the state dept. for an entire month?):
search engine courtesy of wall street journal http://graphics.wsj.com/hillary-clinton-email-documents/
leveymg
(36,418 posts)democrank
(11,098 posts)I`d hate to see a loss.
Slaughter writes about how "exhausted" Clinton must have been after that week of turning the president around. Probably not as exhausted as the people running for their lives carrying wounded dying on their shoulders.
artislife
(9,497 posts)to see some as human and others not human.
Lot of brown people fall into the second category for her.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Other emails from earlier releases indicate that people close to Clinton gave her credit for the Libyan intervention. The day the UN Security Council approved a no-fly zone in Libya, Clintons unofficial adviser Sidney Blumenthal sent her an email saying: No-fly! Brava! You did it!
Clintons role in the Libya intervention has come under the spotlight due to the increasingly scrappy battle for the Democratic nomination, with Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders using Libyan dictator Muammar el-Qaddafis ouster to question her judgment on foreign policy. For her part, Clinton has sought to play down her involvement in the decision to go into Libya, even though at the time she clamored to gain credit for the operation.
Her role also bears scrutiny as the situation in present-day Libya continues to deteriorate. Far from whether her foreign policy credentials are truly a selling point, the removal of Qaddafi led to the transformation of Libya into a lawless haven for terrorists, contributing to the ongoing refugee crisis and threatening to lead to renewed Western intervention in the country. The United States has launched two airstrikes against ISIS forces in Libya over the last three months, sent in ground forces as recently as January and has been pressing for a coalition of European countries to act. Today it was revealed by Le Monde that French special forces have been operating against ISIS in Libya for several months.
As the West gets further and further entangled in the Libyan conflict, the media ought to keep pressing Clinton on whether her foreign policy credentials are truly a selling point, given her apparent eagerness for war.
(More from OP's link)
polly7
(20,582 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)I've always felt that Hillary was the reason he did not.
Who know? It's just a gut feeling.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)3rd Way is very Hawkish
Broward
(1,976 posts)What a shame that this lying corporatist war hawk is the favorite to be our nominee.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)a little long for a bumper sticker, though.....
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)"Turning POTUS around on this is a major win for everything we have worked for.
Who the fuck were they working for if not POTUS?
beedle
(1,235 posts)Just follow the money.
One can be owned by both the banks and the MIC.
malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)Clinton supporters deflect all the foreign policy disasters that occurred during her time as Secretary of States as merely following Obama's orders. I wonder in addition to Libya, if there were other things that Hillary turn Obama around on.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Whose?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)...and worth an OP, I think.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)or is that more or less from Hillary/DU?
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)favorite tune once in the White House..............
amborin
(16,631 posts)ISIS is strongest in LIBYA and surging. All since Hillary pressured Obama to bomb Libya and implement her neo-con regime change.
Qaddafi was fighting radical islamic militants.
Now: Libya in total chaos, ISIS is supreme
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)That is just sickening.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)So, more of the credit/blame for Libya goes to Secretary Clinton than might have been thought.
Sole custody of the mantle of being the primary mover for getting the ball rolling might be up for grabs, if anyone cares to claim it.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)She is no different than Bush on this, she is a NEOCON. NEVER will she get my vote. NEVER.
Uncle Joe
(58,376 posts)Thanks for the thread, eridani.
djean111
(14,255 posts)I should, too.
Hillary stands for everything I hate. Bottom line. Not voting with my uterus, vagina, or lady parts.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Erect bogeyman, wave flag, send in the bombers, wave flag some more, announce "mission accomplished" again...after it fails again.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Some pretend to be when it suits them, and support Hillary.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Makes one wonder considering neocon Robert Kagan said just yesterday he'd vote for her.
If Hillary becomes president, she will spend all her time preoccupied with her role as Commander-in-Chief, doing the bidding of big money and the military industrial complex. Expect more chaos, more war.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Well, well, well. So just whose legacy is she going to preserve?
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)She wrote a piece gushing over Bush's "unilateral preemption" policy called A Duty To Prevent. She's a fucking neocon, the kind of scum Hillary surrounded herself with when she was SOS.
Here's what it says on her Wiki page:
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 and United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, on the situation in Libya, were adopted on 26 February and 17 March 2011, respectively. Resolution 1970 was the first case where the Security Council authorized a military intervention citing the R2P; it passed unanimously. One week after the adoption with many absentions of the latter Resolution, Slaughter wrote a strong endorsement of Western military intervention in Libya.[34]
In this op-ed, Slaughter challenged the skeptics who questioned the NATO use of force in Libya, describing a lack of NATO as an invitation for other regional regimes to increase their repression to remain in power. She challenged the idea that value-based and interest-based arguments on intervention could be distinguished and noted the role of President Barack Obama in helping to form an international coalition, which increased the pressure on Muammar Gadhafi. She is supportive of the Libyan Transitional National Council draft constitutional charter and is relieved that comparisons with Iraq are being made, because it might prevent similar mistakes in Libya.[35]
On 25 August 2011, she was roundly criticized by Matt Welch, who sorted through many of Slaughter's prior op-eds and concluded that she was a "situational constitutionalist".[36]
Clifford May on 15 October 2014 wrote a piece in which he drew a straight line between Annan and Slaughter's R2P "norm", and the failure in Libya. May noted that President Obama had cited the R2P norm as his primary justification for using military force with Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, who had threatened to attack the opposition stronghold of Benghazi.[37]
In a 11 November 2014 piece entitled What Happened to the Humanitarians Who Wanted to Save Libyans With Bombs and Drones?, Glenn Greenwald denounced her and her policies:
Just three years after NATOs military intervention in Libya ended and was widely heralded by its proponents as a resounding success, that country is in complete collapse. So widespread is violence and anarchy there that hardly any Libyan can live a normal life, Brown Universitys Stephen Kinzer wrote in The Boston Globe last week. Last month, the Libyan Parliament, with no functioning army to protect it from well-armed militias, was forced to flee Tripoli and take refuge in a Greek car ferry. The New York Times reported in September that the government of Libya said . . . that it had lost control of its ministries to a coalition of militias that had taken over the capital, Tripoli, in another milestone in the disintegration of the state.
On 26 February 2015, Forbes magazine published a piece which called for Washington policymakers to be held accountable for another war gone bad. Slaughter was singled out for criticism, for her statement that it clearly can be in the U.S. and the Wests strategic interest to help social revolutions fighting for the values we espouse and proclaim. The writer, Doug Bandow, concluded that:[38]
Libya was an artificial nation. Khadafy held it together through personal rule, not a strong state. When he died political structure vanished. Khadafy was brutally executed; revenge killings and torture were common; black African workers were blamed for the old regime and abused. Khadafys arsenals were looted, with weapons, including anti-aircraft missiles, flowing outward. The country split apart geographically, ethnically, ideologically, and theologically... The Obama administrations greatest foreign policy mistake cant be undone... When war-happy politicians... next stand before America, voters should hold these pitiful policymakers accountable for the disaster they created in Libya.
On intervention in Syria
In a February 2012 op-ed for the New York Times, Slaughter wrote an affective piece that proposed the overthrow of Bashar el-Assad by means of civil disobedience:[39]
Foreign military intervention in Syria offers the best hope for curtailing a long, bloody and destabilizing civil war. The mantra of those opposed to intervention is Syria is not Libya. In fact, Syria is far more strategically located than Libya, and a lengthy civil war there would be much more dangerous to our interests. America has a major stake in helping Syrias neighbors stop the killing.
She proposed that actors such as Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, "arm the opposition soldiers with anti-tank, countersniper and portable antiaircraft weapons" in order to help the Friends of Syria group intervene.[39] Journalist Michael Hirsh was quick to support her in the National Journal, writing that "even if the U.N. Security Council remains paralyzed, the newly empowered Arab League can provide a cover of legitimacy".[40]
On 8 June 2012, Slaughter returned to the subject of intervention in Syria, with a rebuttal of a Henry Kissinger piece,[41] in which he argued that an intervention would imperil the foundation of world order. Citing two situation reports and claiming that NATO had violated UNSC 1970 in Libya, Slaughter imagined an intervention process without widespread destruction:[42]
These means would include the provision of intelligence and communications equipment, antitank and anti-mortar weapons, and, crucially, air support against Syrian government tanks and troops that seek to enter or overrun a zone. The provision of such support would also require the disabling of Syrian air defenses.
Slaughter sought to provide arms to the terrorists, calling for bold action in creating a western backed coalition that would provide provide heavy weapons to rebels that controlled safe zones which admitted foreign journalists to monitor the terrorists actions.[43] She imagined that "this type of action would force the Russian and Chinese governments to come clean about the real motives for their positions", and proceeded to charge Vladimir Putin with "crimes against humanity, indeed near-genocide... in Chechnya at the turn of the century". Slaughter admitted that the principle of sovereignty was "enshrined in the United Nations Charter", but pointed to the fact that in 2005, the doctrine of R2P had been adopted by the UN.[42]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne-Marie_Slaughter
malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)Ms. Slaughter keeps on espousing the same neocon regime change policies and expects difference results.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)We will likely find out in less than a year, and it's going to involve a lot of messy human remains.