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rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:54 PM Feb 2016

WHY BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT TO BLAME IF BERNIE SANDERS LOSES

http://madamenoire.com/616394/why-black-people-are-not-to-blame-if-bernie-sanders-loses/



However I am going to highlight one part of Ford’s interview, which speaks to the gist of their conversation:

“Well yes. Just looking at the numbers and seeing where those numbers go. And those numbers among Black folks are going three-to-one for Hillary Clinton nationally. In Nevada, she swept all of the Black precincts. We’re going to have a Super-Tuesday on March 1st, there will be 11 states having primaries; lots of them are in the South where the Black vote is important. And Hillary will be performing in those, uh, Black precincts. In South Carolina, Blacks younger than 45 years of age are going for Sanders at 35 percent. But 52 percent say they’re for Hillary. And remember Sanders among youngish white voters is leaps and bounds ahead of Hillary Clinton. In South Carolina, Black voters who are 50 years old, are going 78 percent-to-12 percent for Hillary Clinton. So this is a “brick wall” that Sanders is running into. It spells doom for his plan for the Democratic presidential nomination. It’s really over and it is because of the Black voters’ solid support for Clinton. And this does spell doom, I think doom for Sanders efforts to, as he puts it, transform from below because the below of the Democratic party is Black folks. We’re about 25 percent of that party. And if our presence were to transform the Party, we’d be seeing a very different kind of Party politically.”


I agree with some of what Ford has to say in the video. However, I’m also not too sure about the idea of putting the brunt of a Sanders’ loss on the shoulders of the entire Black America.

It is true that “nearly one-in-three eligible voters on Election Day (31%) will be Hispanic, Black, Asian or another racial or ethnic minority, up from 29 percent” and that in 2014, Black voters alone made up 23 percent of the Democratic vote. It is also true that Black voters had a huge impact on the 2008-2014 presidential election, which helped to usher in the first Black president and will likely having a huge impact on this one. And yes, it is true that young White voters tend to support Bernie Sanders, by “leaps and bounds” – at least among those who bother to vote.

However, it is also true that Black America are not the majority in this country. And White voters represent a clear majority of the electorate (on both sides of the aisle).

And, in the last couple of primaries, voter turnout, particularly on the Democrat side, was lower than it had been in previous elections. In fact, in Nevada there are reports that less than half the voters who came out in 2008 came out to caucuses this time around. Likewise, there was a much stronger divided among White Nevada voters over the two candidates than there was back in 2008 when Clinton received a firm majority of the White vote against Barack Obama.

What that tells me is that Sanders has not yet created the movement, even among his base, that he had hoped (at least based on the the data available from the three previous primaries). And if he hasn’t yet convinced his own people (White people who are familiar with him) on the so-called left to get to the polls, than how do we attribute a loss solely to Black folks?

Another issue I take with blaming Black folks for a Sanders loss, is that it leaves out a pretty important factor in why Black folks, by and large, have not turned out to vote for him.

In the same clip, Ford blames the “Black mis-leadership class” for misrepresenting the politics of the majority of Black people. I agree with that. But as stated many times before, even amongst his own team, Sanders suffers from the lack of recognition within the community. And as stated many times before, even by his own team, once people get to know Sanders, they feel much better about him.

So here’s the thing: in all of his 30 years in Congress doing the work for the people, why haven’t folks heard about him, his work and his policies until now?

Anecdotally, I once volunteered for President Obama’s campaign for a brief period back in 2007 here in Philadelphia. It was right before he officially announced his bid for office. As part of my service to the then-Senator, I went out on a couple of occasions to help canvass communities in hopes of getting support for the campaign. That was in April. And at that time, very few (and I mean “very few”) folks knew who Obama was. And even after we informed them of who he was, many of those same people did not think he could win – that included many Black people.

I bring up the story for several reasons: First, the lack of name recognition is what Sanders and Obama have in common. So if Obama who had only been in the Senate for a few years and had a much tougher road to climb (remember, he was not chosen by much of the mis-leadership class as well) could convince a bunch of folks who did not know him to vote for him against the establishment in 2008, it is possible for Sanders to do the same.


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WHY BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT TO BLAME IF BERNIE SANDERS LOSES (Original Post) rbrnmw Feb 2016 OP
Seems Sort Of Condescending... Don't Ya Think ??? WillyT Feb 2016 #1
Uh, yeah WayBeyondBlue Feb 2016 #29
No worries I blame white people for everything. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #2
that is actually a pretty safe bet virtualobserver Feb 2016 #9
As do I. TNProfessor Feb 2016 #14
Hillary even has black millenials in her corner. Number23 Feb 2016 #3
+1 rbrnmw Feb 2016 #6
No one in their right mind would blame Black people for that. senz Feb 2016 #4
Yet some here on DU will attempt to...oh, I see what you mean. You're right. randome Feb 2016 #23
if 77% are NOT black and he loses them too it is hardly the fault of the 23% who are black nt msongs Feb 2016 #5
Why would they be? It's an entirely larger problem, rbr.... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #7
The only ones playing the blame game farleftlib Feb 2016 #8
'Divide and conquer'? Like 'Stockholm Syndrome' posts? Several similar, in fact. randome Feb 2016 #24
I blame Elitists and To big for to long Corporations OkSustainAg Feb 2016 #10
I don't recall anyone even suggesting it. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #11
The outrage came before the item it is outraged about artislife Feb 2016 #17
KnR! sheshe2 Feb 2016 #12
Oh noes, blame me for electing the first woman president mwrguy Feb 2016 #13
I should hope to hell not. I know exactly who to blame, rbr. Mahalo! Cha Feb 2016 #15
If h loses, it is on h. nt artislife Feb 2016 #18
Hillary's not going to lose. Cha Feb 2016 #21
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #16
Who on earth suggested otherwise? Marr Feb 2016 #19
No, it will be women's fault for selfishly voting for a woman who fights for women's rights. nt BreakfastClub Feb 2016 #20
How DARE we?? :-P NurseJackie Feb 2016 #25
I'm sure Susan Sarandon will blame our vaginas. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #27
Good analysis Gothmog Feb 2016 #22
Lol +1000 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #26
DU rec... SidDithers Feb 2016 #28
What a fail of a thesis. Never heard one person suggest that is where the blame would lay. JimDandy Feb 2016 #30

Number23

(24,544 posts)
3. Hillary even has black millenials in her corner.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016

And Glen Ford just proves every single day why BAR is really only good for cleaning out the gold fish tank or maybe wrapping a dead fish in.

What that tells me is that Sanders has not yet created the movement, even among his base, that he had hoped (at least based on the the data available from the three previous primaries). And if he hasn’t yet convinced his own people (White people who are familiar with him) on the so-called left to get to the polls, than how do we attribute a loss solely to Black folks?


That has been noted so many times by now it's pretty much universal. Sanders' entire allure was supposed to be based on the "revolution" that was going to sweep America. The revolution ain't going to be televised because so far, the revolution ain't even happening. And that is not black people's fault. It's not white people's fault either.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
23. Yet some here on DU will attempt to...oh, I see what you mean. You're right.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:08 AM
Feb 2016

Not in their right minds.
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MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
7. Why would they be? It's an entirely larger problem, rbr....
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 12:07 AM
Feb 2016

MANY people have not turned out to vote. It knows no racial boundaries, but seems to belong in a tier of potential voters who have pretty much given up, because they feel ignored.

Yes, that includes lots of colors. More of them are tucked into strange layers of the south. But, this is the America who has forgotten to pick up a source of news, yet, can tell you about television and market driven toys or reality shows.

We cannot turn it around so that enough people get the message... especially when they message is so handled like a lump of clay by market executives of large advertising firms and corporations who seem to think (many rightly) that they own this fucking country.

NON OF THIS will stop me or my associates from getting the word out and getting the vote out. There aren't enough Hillary-stepford sisters to make a difference when it comes to having an honest conversation about all this.

Perservere!

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
8. The only ones playing the blame game
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 12:09 AM
Feb 2016

are the Hillary supporters. They demand loyalty oaths several times a day and will blame us all if she doesn't win.

I've never seen one Sanders' supporter say they will blame anyone if he doesn't get the nomination. The divide-and-conquer strategy comes from the other candidate.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. 'Divide and conquer'? Like 'Stockholm Syndrome' posts? Several similar, in fact.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:09 AM
Feb 2016

How is that not 'divide and conquer'?
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artislife

(9,497 posts)
17. The outrage came before the item it is outraged about
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:22 AM
Feb 2016

And it still hasn't shown up.

If h loses, I blame h. She's unlikable by a lot of people.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
19. Who on earth suggested otherwise?
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:30 AM
Feb 2016

This person is arguing against a strawman designed to make Sanders supporters appear racist. That's not just dishonest, it's almost ironic.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
25. How DARE we?? :-P
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:18 AM
Feb 2016

Apparently we just don't know what's best for us. If they just explained it ONE MORE TIME... using words WE can understand... and including photoshopped memes... maybe THAT would work.

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JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
30. What a fail of a thesis. Never heard one person suggest that is where the blame would lay.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:54 AM
Feb 2016

If Sanders loses, it's on him. If Clinton loses, it's all on her. It's as simple as that.

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