22 more Top Secret emails in Hillary's 2nd to last batch. So secret, even redacted they

[magical thyme]

couldn't be released.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/271005-feds-release-more-clinton-emails-on-eve-of-sc-primary
The vast majority of those classified emails were listed at the lowest level, that of “confidential,” but nearly two dozen were classified as “secret” and another 22 were deemed “top secret” — the highest level of classification.

Those top secret emails were deemed too dangerous to release to the public, even in a redacted form.

[Arazi]

1. Jeez, this really needs to go away or get cleared up NOW

this drip, drip, drip is real trouble for the Democrats as well as Clinton

[6chars]

96. It will be cleared up in a couple of days

The rest of the emails will be released Monday.

[TM99]

2. Why do Clinton supporters

ignore the damning reality of this situation?

[99th_Monkey]

9. If it were JUST the emails, but it isn't.

It's the emails yes, but it's also FBI investigations into improper "pay to play" deals
re Clinton as SoS and major contributors to the Clinton Foundation involving huge
arms deals, among other things.

It's the transcripts, which you bet your booties WILL be leaked during GE, if not sooner..

It's how she's got NO support among Independents.

It's that ALL Republicans detest her, so kiss goodbye any 'cross-over' voters.

It's how in the GE she's going to try to "out-Republican" the Republicans, which is all people will
remember after it's all over.

It's about all the dirt we don't even know about, but that Trump DOES know about, as he has been
close friends socially with the Clintons for many years.

It' about a train wreck in the making. <-- a brief synopsis.

[TM99]

10. I agree with everything you just said.

It is this and so much more.

[thereismore]

15. Yes, the appearance of quid pro quo is strong. nt

[TCJ70]

20. This is a great summation of why she shouldn't be the nominee...N/T

[99th_Monkey]

21. Thank you. nt

[SHRED]

56. I think like you on this

So much baggage.

[angrychair]

76. Total agreement 99th_monkey

People get fixed on thinking that I'm trying to change their mind and I'm not, I am asking them to see past their vote and realize how many will vote and it isn't the same way or with the same thought process they are using.

[grasswire]

78. and it's about the flat line of her trajectory

She has no room to grow votes.

Bernie, on the other hand, garners more support each day as people come to know him.

[99th_Monkey]

94. Excellent point, Hillary's campaign is a flat-liner. Thanks for the addition. nt

[6chars]

97. All she needs is 270 electoral votes

then all the controversies about how strong a candidate she is won't matter.

[scscholar]

51. Because there is no issue

It's just Republicans trying to make something out of nothing.

[TM99]

53. I think you are confusing the Benghazi hearings

with the FBI investigation of an insecure, off-site, email server being run by a SoS.

[hifiguy]

64. Benghazi was bullshit from the start.

This is serious business.

[scscholar]

68. I don't understand what "Save Our Ship" has to do with this.

[TM99]

69. Some scholar

you are.

Secretary of State

[scscholar]

71. You know you don't have a damn point..

when you start in on the personal attacks. Personal attacks.

Why didn't you just tell the truth about what you meant instead of posting something that meant nothing?

[TM99]

72. Dude, SoS has been used on the internet

I dare say for years to designate the Secretary of Fucking State.

I am not here to coddle you or spoon feed you. If you want to enter into a conversation about something as serious as a SoS having an insecure email server in her fucking home, then you need to at least know the difference given the context of my damned sentence that SoS meant Secretary of State and NOT SOS which is a prosign in Morse Code that have colloquially been rendered as "Save Our Ship" or "Save Our Souls" or "Send Out Succour".

[Hydra]

93. Welcome to the shallow end of the pool

We here at DU would like to thank you for showing your deep knowledge of the subject at hand and your utterly mature response to the person who was attempting to enlighten you.

You may want to study more at the Cave before attempting more. Just a though.

[dchill]

54. I know you don't really believe that.

[kcjohn1]

3. Malpractice By Establishment Dems

That they are not forcing Clinton out of the race. Even if there is only 10% chance this turns into criminal matter it is not worth the risk. They are the ones always telling us how important this election is. Instead they are clearing the field for her. I won't even mind if they parachuted Biden in to take her place.

[Depaysement]

38. +1

Excellent post.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Were these emails retroactively classified? nt

[libtodeath]

6. If she had sent an email that revealed the location of OBL would it matter if it was classified at

the time it was sent?

[Cali_Democrat]

8. You didn't answer my question. nt

[libtodeath]

12. Your attempt to still cling to that excuse in light of the context I presented is telling.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. You still haven't answered my question. nt

[mindwalker_i]

16. You question is a variant of, "SQUIRREL!"

[libtodeath]

23. It is really laughable isnt it?

[mindwalker_i]

36. It's amazing and, frankly, a bit distressing, to see people

tie themselves in knots trying to justify all sorts of stuff in order to maintain support for someone. It's the same people who tied themselves in knots over Snowden because he made a (D) look bad. My opinion is that democrats a generally better for the country, but I don't have (or believe in) faith and will speak against the golden (D) when appropriate. People who promote their party, whether it's democrats or republicans, regardless of the issues are completely worthless and their opinions shouldn't even be considered.

[roguevalley]

43. I would read the article. If they don't say retro classified

then I would take it at face value, that it was highly classified material that went through the unprotected servers. Even if it didn't get read by others, even if they did take the headers off to send it which is a violation as well, it still reflects abysmally on judgment. If any Republican did this we would be screaming 100% for their head on a platter. She wants to be President which means we hand over our collective lives to her and her judgement. Don't blame me if I find that unthinkable. She only has herself to blame. And lastly, just because others did it does not take away her responsibility or criminality (If determined). My mother never accepted that excuse and I doubt the FBI will either. Prosecute everyone who did this including and ESPECIALLY Colin Powell. He needs to spend jail time for some of his shit. I'm good with this.

[dchill]

57. Yes. Distressing is putting it mildly.

Rot is rot. It can't be fixed except by replacement.

[libtodeath]

17. The answer is,and has been made clear many times,is that some things are considered top secret

no matter if marked as such at the moment.

Now will you answer mine?

[Cali_Democrat]

19. You didn't answer my question. Were the emails retroactively classified? Yes or no? nt

[libtodeath]

22. I dont know but I have shown it makes no difference.

Now,can you answer?

[LuvLoogie]

28. Plus the 22 emails were from before this last batch. Not 22 *new* top secret.

[libtodeath]

39. Hello,anybody home?

[Cali_Democrat]

42. It's Friday afternoon and I'm gonna grab a drink. I feel like a mojito. nt

[roguevalley]

44. enjoy. eventually, all of this will be over and we can breathe.

Happy weekend.

[840high]

52. It doesn't matter. It was well explained

to her when she became SOS. She chose to ignore it.

[TM99]

74. The answer you seek but will ignore and deflect from

is this:

In the small fraction of emails made public so far, Reuters has found at least 30 email threads from 2009, representing scores of individual emails, that include what the State Department's own "Classified" stamps now identify as so-called 'foreign government information.' The U.S. government defines this as any information, written or spoken, provided in confidence to U.S. officials by their foreign counterparts.

This sort of information, which the department says Clinton both sent and received in her emails, is the only kind that must be "presumed" classified, in part to protect national security and the integrity of diplomatic interactions, according to U.S. regulations examined by Reuters.

"It's born classified," said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Leonard was director of ISOO, part of the National Archives and Records Administration, from 2002 until 2008, and worked for both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.

"If a foreign minister just told the secretary of state something in confidence, by U.S. rules that is classified at the moment it's in U.S. channels and U.S. possession," he said in a telephone interview, adding that for the State Department to say otherwise was "blowing smoke."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821

[jberryhill]

25. Was the information in them obviously so?

Look, every SoS carries around - in their head - classified information.

If the SoS sits down and writes an email which, say, refers to a classified operation then:

1. No, it is not classified at the time it is sent because there is no one to do so.

2. Contains information known to be classified at the time it is written and sent.

[libtodeath]

40. Looks like that poster has left.

[jeff47]

58. Uh....no.

1. Yes, it is classified at the time it is sent.

There isn't some official that needs to stamp it. The relevant classification guides describe what is classified, and even brand-spanking-new information is classified if it falls within the guide. If you have any questions, you have to treat it as classified and get clarification later.

We didn't have the same system in WWII (and email didn't exist), but pretend we did for this example.

There's this SAP program called "The Manhattan Project". The classification guide says "anything about procuring and transporting uranium ore is classified as TS".

If you are in this program and write an email saying, "Hey, I just found a new uranium mine that agreed to sell us ore", that email is classified. Even though it's a new mine and the information has never been in the government before. It fits in the rules for the classification guide, so it's classified. No formal review is required.

The information is classified, whether or not it is properly marked.

[AlbertCat]

89. There isn't some official that needs to stamp it.

B-b-but that's not the way it was done in The X Files!

It seems Hillary knows as much about how the State Dept is suppose to work as any layman.

[noamnety]

83. What do you mean "there is no one to do so"

Have you even worked with classified info before???

[jberryhill]

90. If I am aware of classified information

That is, it is a piece of knowledge in my head.

And I sit down and send someone an email then, no, that email is not going to bear any classification.

We are not talking about an analyst here, who is receiving information from sources. For example, if the SoS has a private chat with the foreign minister of bumfartistan, who tells her they are willing to host a rendition site in exchange for some weapons, then, no, that's direct information which she knows and which nobody has classified.

The question to which I was responding is trying to make a distinction between whether the "emails" were classified at the time or whether the emails, now being reviewed were somehow deemed classier at the time. No, of course they weren't. But those two categories are not the same thing.

[noamnety]

91. I'm going to ask again

have you ever worked with classified information?

I ask because it doesn't sound like you have a working knowledge of how all this works.

[Arazi]

31. It doesn't matter as has been explained many times here

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Some emails are BORN CLASSIFIED

I know this is a hard concept to understand. I have four in my HD that were barely redacted, written by Sidney Blumenthal, one with a message from the PM of the UK to the President. Those are BORN CLASSIFIED... and are not seen for at least 25 years.

I remember turning to my husband, and going oh oh when I first read them. And yes, they came from the State Department FOIA room.

Yes, they are now classified by the way, after REUTERS ran the story. In case you wonder it is because of that story and a few others, that they started to look at content more carefully.

You keep chortling this up, but what I just said... find somebody where you live, who is willing to explain to you any of this in generalities. There are reasons people who have handled that kind of material cannot go into deep details... and yes, it frustrates the living daylights out of them that people like you are incapable of getting this.

I am far kinder than they are. This is a highly technical story, that most Americans are not going to get, until this is actually prosecuted. And this is triple so with partisans. So you understand this, when Patreous gave that book to his friend, WHO WAS A United States PERSON, with SOME CLEARANCE, he broke the law. Her servers were hacked. The general pled that down, to avoid some serious jail time (They would have thrown the book at sergeant or even major patreaous, but that is another kettle of fish).

I am considering talking to a few, on background, and seeing about writing a bolts and nuts story on this

[grasswire]

79. yes and.........

Hillary instructed her staff to recopy classified information from the original documents to new documents that did not have the markings that would prevent transmission. THAT is a willful violation of law.

And THAT is very, very serious.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. Yup, as we found yesterday

[Duval]

85. What concerns me is this stuff not getting out.

Who in our media is going to talk about this in detail? And I believe the DNC will do everything in their power to keep this from the public. Yes, we have the internet, but many do not.

[The Redheaded Guy]

75. That information is classified.

It's so classified, that you need a [font color="red"]REDACTED[/font] to get the classified information.

[angrychair]

81. Seriously?

How many times has this been discussed here? 100? 1000?
It doesn't matter when they were classified. Once classified, At any point, it is considered classified from its point of creation and stays that way until it is unclassified. That is how it works.

[99th_Monkey]

5. Hillary supporters: "LA-LA-LA-LA!! I cannot hear you!!!!"

[Bjornsdotter]

7. You beat me to it!

[99th_Monkey]

11. +10

[UglyGreed]

18. Yep

[roguevalley]

46. sea otters. *SWOON!*

[UglyGreed]

63. Otter you glad I

didn't post a kitten????

[hifiguy]

65. That is squee-worthy.

And silly in the best way.

[roguevalley]

70. OH SWEET GOD! BUNNEHS!

You dickens. Just down the road from where I live sea otters can be seen sometimes in numbers floating on their backs together sleeping in the water just off shore. Nothing NOTHING is cuter than a baby sea otter.

You da bomb.

[hifiguy]

55. I will sea your otter and raise you an owl.

[UglyGreed]

62. .

[hifiguy]

66. ...

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. Unbelievably true.

[Rafale]

73. Hahaha

That is exactly what is happening here. They don't want to hear it.

Look how ridiculous this sounds. Ah I have some secret agent names in my head. I'm going to name them on my google email cause it ain't classified if I don't put the words top secret on it. How retarded is that logic?

Two years later the Inspector General redacts the names and still slaps top secret markings on it. Yeah--No crime here people. There's nothing to be concerned about. The secret agent names were never revealed by a man in the middle hacker attack or just clandestinely read on her server in her home by some other hacker.

This foolishness belongs in a movie or on SNL.

[Godhumor]

14. Those are the same 22 discussed previously

Before the media reported that 22 wouldn't be released due to agencies classifying them as top secret. Today the batch without them actually went out.

So to correct, it is the same emails discussed last month when the State Department was prepping this batch for release.

[NWCorona]

24. Agreed!

Even tho I think this will damage Hillary tremendously. These 22 emails are old news. It's just poorly written.

'The vast majority of those classified emails were listed at the lowest level, that of “confidential,” but nearly two dozen were classified as “secret” and another 22 were deemed “top secret” — the highest level of classification.
Those top secret emails were deemed too dangerous to release to the public, even in a redacted form."

This is in reference to all of the classified emails.

[Godhumor]

30. Good lord, my slide keyboard butchered my post

Can't believe you could figure out what I meant (Edited and corrected now).

[Fairgo]

26. Indictments

They are coming. What's the plan?

[hifiguy]

49. A good and fair question, that.

[merbex]

92. Stuff like this in an election year usually happens in October

Democrats( meaning Party poo-bahs) need to have a Plan B in place.

It is a mess and voters should be informed and factor it into their voting decision making.

I'm voting for Bernie on Tuesday. FOR Bernie.

But this is in the back of my mind, I can't lie.

[onecaliberal]

27. But, but, but.... she did nothing WRONG!!!

[FangedNoumenom]

29. Hmm

It's rather curious that they decided to release the last batch of e-mails (likely the worst of the bunch) the evening of Super Tuesday.

[backscatter712]

32. Here's one:

To: ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■
From: Hillary Clinton ([e-mail])
Date: ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■
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I'll have the mai tais ready for you at Punta Cana. See you there!

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[artislife]

37. *snort! nt

[AzDar]

33. She's a disaster.

[thereismore]

34. Incompetent at best. Sorry Obama had to do this

to himself. She is poison.

[Beacool]

61. Hyperbole much?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

41. too dangerous to release to the American public but open to the rest of the world on her server!!!

[hifiguy]

47. Drip, drip, drip......

[840high]

48. My English neighbors want to

know how she's still running for president.

[Helen Borg]

50. Wow, it must be evidence of an alien invasion...

Or something.

[retrowire]

59. That's pretty much what I always go to whenever I hear "classified government emails" nt

[erlewyne]

60. Hillary knew better ... a long time ago.

She is guilty.

In her work everything is top secret.


If she didn't know better she sure as hell cannot hold these positions.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

67. She'll get thrashed over this in the general.

Sanders is a nice guy. I appreciate that he's about the issues. He's built a coalition on the issues. My one regret is his insistence on not dragging Clinton through the mud. It's great for the party and is better for Clinton in the long run, but I'm of the opinion the Clinton will struggle to garner the support she needs from liberals and independents.

Her carelessness and 'above the law' attitude is not a selling point and it has a chance to hurt the party down-ticket.

Hoping for the best, expecting the worst.

[Mustellus]

77. If she traded Top Secret for sex.......

.. thats only a misdimeanor. A slap on the wrist fine.

See, Betrayus, Yes He Did....

[OhZone]

82. Not secret at the time. No evidence of a breech. Purely political. nt

[SoLeftIAmRight]

95. "Purely political"

and the election is not a political event?

you have escaped your own logic

[eomer]

99. Yes, the information *was* classified at the time.

The person who sent the email didn't mark it as such but the information contained was classified at the time. Now (recently) they have marked the emails classified due to finding that they contain classified information.

Not marking the email was a further transgression, although understandable since putting that info in an email was a serious violation in the first place.

[humbled_opinion]

84. Unelectable

But we will be told to shut up, sit down and defend her at all costs, or else we get a bad repuke. When the transcripts come out it is going to be the straw that does it for me...

[Duval]

86. K&R nt

[eggplant]

87. And this line is also important, especially here on DU...

"Sanders has repeatedly refused to attack Clinton over her emails, but Republicans have been less kind."

[Beowulf]

88. If the material in the 22 emails is so sensitive

It can't be released, what's it doing on a unsecured server. It really doesn't matter if they were officially classified or not at that point. She's the SOS! She should know based on the content not whether there's a stamp on it or not. If somehow she didn't know, then she was incompetent. If she did, then she's reckless and arrogant and above the law.

This isn't a witch hunt. This is very serious.

[actslikeacarrot]

98. Mi Abuela!

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