2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTwitter CEO blocked #whichhillary and is holding a HRC fundraiser this weekend??
Is that so?
Read about it on facebook.
After #whichhillary broke the Internet twice, the CEO blocked it? And then we learn about his association with Hillary??
FangedNoumenom
(145 posts)And the fundraiser was last weekend, not next weekend.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)FangedNoumenom
(145 posts)Same guy? Hmm. My mistake then.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I meant a screen shot of it showing #whichhillary at #4 on the trends list. I'm not seeing it at all anymore.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)She thinks only Ashley Williams can Tweet it and thinks because what she Tweeted wasn't Liked or ReTweeted a gazillion times that people have lost interest, which isn't the case at all. To anyone who doesn't understand, anyone can Tweet #WhichHillary and it counts toward the trending you have to look at this: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=news&q=%23WhichHillary&src=tyah to see the effect.
But, as far as I can see, it is NOT trending even though it's being Tweeted at a steady clip. It probably wouldn't be trending today, anyway, but it abruptly stopped trending yesterday when it was still getting thousands of hashtags per second.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)for a little while in the non specific list.
I got the lists as of 22:00 or so PST
http://reportingsandiego.com/2016/02/25/whichhillary-censored/
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)what was blocked was the trending aspect of it. And that can influence posters behaviors,
Read all about it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511342777
This should trouble every poster here. TO be honest, I don't expect it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)don,t know Twitter enough to know how much this affects use, but it doesn't look good.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)on it's own? Ms Williams post has very few re-tweets.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It's not gonna fall that fast.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The hash is #WhichHillary and anyone who Tweets it counts toward trending - not just Ashley Williams.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)bigtree
(86,005 posts)No, really, this is a national outrage. Highlighting snark and profanity from Berniebros. and Bernistas is our gawd-given right!
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)@SteveDear: Et tu, Twitter Executive Chairperson @omidkordestani? Did you really personally order a political censor of #whichHillary?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)but I have seen hashtags blocked many times on twitter.. This is no conspiracy.
Marr
(20,317 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I know #somos132 and #yamecanse were in Mexico, The difference is, their press did cover it.
http://notigodinez.com/y-cibernautas-desafian-la-censura-en-twitter-lanzando-ahora-el-ya-me-canse-2/
There have been reports from other places around the world. This is what should be troubling, Yes, twitter is great (and a private business, so 1 amendment does not need apply) but it is slowly becoming a tool for control.
Here, about Google by the way
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511342777
Trajan
(19,089 posts)But this seems a bit heavy handed ...
That who create these Twitter hashtags - surely they will create another, right? ... There is no stopping this train ...
No matter how many assholes try to detail it ...
Ino
(3,366 posts)Interesting graphic on there...
arcane1
(38,613 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Damn. I might just have to get a twitter account after all.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)uh oh!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and that started to trend overnight and then poof
bunnies
(15,859 posts)So blatant though.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)some might be algorithms, but not all.
The difference is that this will not be touched by our media, and by the way, here
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/5/1480592/-After-the-Debate-Last-Night-Twitter-Scrubbed-ReleaseTheTranscripts
and I posted the politico story here on DU as well
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511342777
Which incidentally the usual suspects are not touching.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)We went from interesting, to likely happened overnight.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)And its a real shame.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that is cool
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Im like that.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Actually Hillary is the GOP. Just as racist and just as dumb.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)No bias and we really do have a choice!!!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)would "overdue it" with the #, so slowed down, but it caught the manipulation going on. Is he being paid to do this?
I wonder how many tweets you can load into a buffer overnight, how many accounts you can spam with? If one person causes a trend, then it is not actually a trend. I can see why Twitter would not allow this.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but this has been done in other countries as well, but our press will never ever, and I mean this EVER touch this. See Mexico for example
http://notigodinez.com/y-cibernautas-desafian-la-censura-en-twitter-lanzando-ahora-el-ya-me-canse-2/
And this started actually this campaign oh with the transcripts. Given that this is being done around the world now, this should concern you. I don't expect it.
By the way, it's not just twitter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511342777
And again, I expect zero concern as long as my candidate wins. US Democracy, if it ever existed, is in a zombie state now.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)issue of freedom as much as it is stopping a few people from gaming it to make fake trends. That appears to be what they were doing with the loading the buffer stuff. They got a notice they were flagged for spamming.
There is so much vacuous PR crap on Twitter that it's damaged it relevancy.
But the idea that it censored this hashtag is nuts. It is still there. Sorry but that is crazy CT stuff.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)none would be too concerned to try to control it, and this is about control.
By the way, the transcript issue... guess where it truly took off?
I will grant you this... there is a breakdown by age. WAG here, but I would say how twitter is used and how, breaks at 45 or so. Older folks see it the way you see it. Younger folks, see it as much more than just that, and during Occupy and BLM marches it is used as a coordinated tool for freedom.
And right now, those kids, are not too impressed.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)... of hundreds?
That is not "democratic".
I see it as watered down with boring promos- mostly of music and TV show crap. Trending reflects a lot of what gets covered in the rest of the info-tainment sphere in the USA. Good for jokes and memes or finding out what entertainment people are talking about.
It can be interesting if you know good people to follow, but the character limit always leaves me wanting. I get it can be used for organizing, but that is not what we are talking about here.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but about a pattern... a global pattern.
I posted a link to just one incident covered by somebody else's media. It is far from the only one. And this is what should trouble you. I don't expect it. I truly don't.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)You maybe talking globally, and that's fine. This one guy though knew there was a possibility he would "over do it", and he did.
The tweets themselves were never censored. Words matter.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and buffering is used by SONY for example, regularly. It is used by political parties regularly. It is not spam. Please do learn the difference.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Same effect, no?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You have to change the tweet. You can retweet, but you cannot post the same exact thing. So that takes work. It is not spamming.
And again, we are going down to a PATTERN of control. They are bringing the same tools they use abroad, and yes, they can tweak the system to do this manually. This dropped off during the GOP debate and it went back to trending after it, when it dropped off, it was at a much higher activity level than the GOP debate.
And why this matters, read the story I posted on google. They have tested this in the wild. Not twitter or google, who keep claiming they cannot influence squat, but scientists, in INDIA. They tested the theory. This should scare the pants off people. Not because your candidate, my candidate, whatever... but because of CONTROL. That is the big fucking picture here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511342777
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)spamming. Using tech abilities to make your message look more important or popular than others. As far as the trending goes, it seems few things last more than 24 hours? There are so many commercial campaigns these days for people to Tweet @ this and that every night that Twitter trends are not ....organic, for lack of a better word. It is a war for who gets the most attention.
Wow, do we really think Google can sway 25% of voters? That kind of blows my mind. I feel like I get a wide range of sources in my searches, but that is interesting.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that is the big picture
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)diversity on the net, but it's interesting how it can be used. Thanks!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Spamming is bulk by socks.
I use a buffer every day and don't get violated for spamming. A buffer simply allows you to write a handful of Tweets at once and then program them to automatically go out every few minutes or hours or days. It's not spamming. Businesses use it regularly.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and ignore the real issue.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)minutes. But if you were doing it with one account- flooding Twitter with Tweets, what is that called? Isn't that similar to setting up a bot? They could send a few hundred over night on each account.
I think the fact this guy tweeting was worried he "would overdue" it , and he got caught in a spam filter is kind of relevant. They have algorithms to detect this kind of ...overuse or whatever and stop it. I can see why Twitter would want to do that.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Yup, from the twitter
Matariki
(18,775 posts)#WhichHillary was trending for a full day and slowly descended from the top spot to off the list.
I'm really not convinced that it was 'blocked'. But then I'm not a big twitter user, maybe hot topics trend for days?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)when it suddenly went poof.
And as I wrote above, we have seen things like this abroad, and it seems the first time this was deployed, at least this campaign, was during the Dem debate with the transcripts
Here a diary
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/5/1480592/-After-the-Debate-Last-Night-Twitter-Scrubbed-ReleaseTheTranscripts
He was poo poed, but we have seen this abroad as well.
As to how long, some trends last an hour, some last a day, a few last a few days.
truthseeker1
(1,686 posts)and some tweets disappeared from the hashtag list as well.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)It didn't go 'poof', unless they are serving up different lists to different people. Which is entirely possible.
I'm not saying it absolutely wasn't censored, or that Twitter definitely never censors or pushes specific trending hash tags, just saying that I saw #WhichHillary in the US trending list the better part of Thursday and asked about what the norm is for stuff staying on that list.
truthseeker1
(1,686 posts)(other than from about 3-9 AM to sleep) and then actively posting all day and keeping a very close eye on the TT status (and tweet number count) and it DID go from #1 to outright disappearing. If you weren't watching it vigilantly like some of us were, then you wouldn't have noticed it.
Of course there could be differences between computers/devices, but many of us that were active on that hashtag noticed it.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)And retweeting and liking tweets w/ that hasttag, starting wednesday night before it was trending. It was in the top spot for a long time and then moved down. Again, we might have seen different things. Who knows what sort of algorithms Twitter uses
senz
(11,945 posts)It opened up ALL media, including electronic media, to monopoly takeover.
We need President Sanders to restore the FCC's original charter to preserve "the people's airwaves."
Marr
(20,317 posts)Appeal to the big money, and trust them to rig the whole process for you.
truthseeker1
(1,686 posts)Clinton will make stops in Menlo Park, Atherton and Piedmont, California on February 21, headlining events with Rebecca and Mike Ghielmetti, founders of a private real estate firm; Sukhinder Singh Cassidy, a tech executive; and Gisele and Omid Kordestani, an executive at Google.
(Except he's not with Google anymore, he became Twitter's CEO last October.)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/hillary-clinton-february-fundraising/index.html
#QUIDPROQUO
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)And with the newly initiated censorship panel , there is plenty of ability to make mischief . But twitter is shedding users right now so it will be interesting to see how far this goes . People do not like big brother tactics when it comes to sharing information .
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)fundraiser with the TWitter CEO and we witnessed the introduction of two hashtags imitating the #WhichHillary hashtag in an attempt to drown out the first one.
Peter Daou that old Hillary Third Wayer, was all over Twitter before that complaining about the outrage people were honestly displaying and lashing out at anyone who responded to him.
Shameful and has only hurt Hillary MORE to know just deep the corruption goes and how much that money BUYS.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)hide a hashtag (if it were possible) which could simplify be altered easily.
would love to hear the conversation between a CEO/chairman and the developer being asked to make a quick fix to hide a hashtag.