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babylonsister

(171,075 posts)
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 05:05 PM Oct 2012

Obama may be over-performing in the swing states

Over-performing; I hate that expression. 'Winning'/'clobbering' sounds much better!


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama-may-be-over-performing-in-the-swing-states/2012/10/11/4abcf480-13cd-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_blog.html

Obama may be over-performing in the swing states
By Greg Sargent


Nate Silver and Nate Cohn both dig into the numbers today and suggest that there’s evidence Obama may now be leading in the swing states while remaining even with or behind Mitt Romney nationally. Some of the polling models show Romney’s surge has left him narrowly ahead in national polling averages. But Cohn looks at all the polling and notes that this isn’t borne out in the battlegrounds:

On average, Romney gained 2.1 points in battleground state polls, even though he picked up an average of 5.5 points in the 11 national surveys conducted after the first presidential debate. Given Obama’s pre-debate leads in the key battleground states, a 2.1 point gain would leave Romney well short of 270 electoral votes.


Why might this be happening? Cohn suggests this explanation:

Simply put: campaigns might matter. There hasn’t been a campaign where the battleground states have endured so many advertisements for so long before the rest of the country even began to tune in. This was also a campaign where the conventional wisdom has long held that attacks on Romney did a lot of damage, especially in Ohio. While most of the country tuned in and saw Romney unadulterated by months of advertisements, voters in the battleground states might have more entrenched and cynical views of the Republican nominee.



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Geoff Garin, the pollster for the Obama-allied Priorities USA, tells me that his polling shows that views of Romney are more fixed in the battlegrounds than nationally. “In the swing states, voters are much more apt and able to quote back the main case against Romney,” he tells me.

Garin adds that his polling has tested voter reaction to various arguments against Romney, such as the idea that his economic policies would favor the wealthy or burden the middle class. He says voter agreement with those suggestions is “higher where the advertising has occurred,” and adds: “All the swing state advertising has had a measurable and lasting impact.”

So perhaps Cohn is on to something: Obama may be doing better in the battlegrounds than he is nationally because views of Romney have hardened in these states to a much greater degree. It bears watching.


By Greg Sargent | 02:29 PM ET, 10/11/2012
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Obama may be over-performing in the swing states (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2012 OP
As we know, electoral votes are the only ones that count! rfranklin Oct 2012 #1
Here's to a truly excessive swing state performace! nt Deep13 Oct 2012 #2
The Bane ads worked. woolldog Oct 2012 #3
electoral win?? MFM008 Oct 2012 #4
The absolute stupidity of the electoral college again on display BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #5
Nate Silver just dropped Obama a couple more points in his model TroyD Oct 2012 #6
A win is a win courseofhistory Oct 2012 #7
"Over performing"? Who even Cha Oct 2012 #8
 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
1. As we know, electoral votes are the only ones that count!
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 05:07 PM
Oct 2012

except for the five votes on the Supreme Court.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
6. Nate Silver just dropped Obama a couple more points in his model
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 05:31 PM
Oct 2012

He just posted about it.

Hopefully this trend will start to reverse itself if the swing state polling remains strong.

courseofhistory

(801 posts)
7. A win is a win
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 06:14 PM
Oct 2012

and I'll take it! I think at this point he will win about .5% of the national vote. And he will win all but 2 of the swing states. It might get better as the next few weeks unfold.

Cha

(297,415 posts)
8. "Over performing"? Who even
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:14 PM
Oct 2012

says that?

Simply put: campaigns might matter. There hasn’t been a campaign where the battleground states have endured so many advertisements for so long before the rest of the country even began to tune in. This was also a campaign where the conventional wisdom has long held that attacks on Romney did a lot of damage, especially in Ohio. While most of the country tuned in and saw Romney unadulterated by months of advertisements, voters in the battleground states might have more entrenched and cynical views of the Republican nominee.


Thanks babylonsistah!
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