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PPP: Warren up by 6 in MA...but (Original Post) S_E_Fudd Oct 2012 OP
I don't care if O wins MA by 5 or by 25. woolldog Oct 2012 #1
'I don't care if O wins MA by 5 or by 25.' TroyD Oct 2012 #17
Senate polls have had Dems up while Obama dropping Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #2
If the Senate races are going good for the Dems Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2012 #9
Other polls have Obama up by 20+ and Warren up by 2-4. Dawson Leery Oct 2012 #3
Go Elizabeth! She's up, no "buts" about it! SunSeeker Oct 2012 #4
For some reason, Obama took a big hit in MA TroyD Oct 2012 #5
Obama down to +14 in MA TroyD Oct 2012 #6
Independents are breaking for Romney now, where they went for Obama before Blaukraut Oct 2012 #10
Well, on the bright side MSMITH33156 Oct 2012 #15
I hope Obama's MA lead has dropped to less than 10 points tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #7
No, that's incorrect about MA TroyD Oct 2012 #13
Warren will win on her own merits tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #14
Yes, that's fine TroyD Oct 2012 #16
Obama won by 25.8% in 2008 mgcgulfcoast Oct 2012 #8
The polls show Warren winning so far TroyD Oct 2012 #11
warren has done a good job in the debates. mgcgulfcoast Oct 2012 #18
Warren definitely seems to have the momentum TroyD Oct 2012 #19
brown is toast mgcgulfcoast Oct 2012 #20
Interesting comment from PPP about 'the Professor Warren stuff' TroyD Oct 2012 #12
 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
1. I don't care if O wins MA by 5 or by 25.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:18 PM
Oct 2012

As long as he wins it. Not interested in style points anymore

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
17. 'I don't care if O wins MA by 5 or by 25.'
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:38 PM
Oct 2012

As long as it still means Elizabeth Warren winning the Senate.

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
2. Senate polls have had Dems up while Obama dropping
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:21 PM
Oct 2012

and I think that's a good sign of a very temporary drop. If Romney was really surging, it would be reflected in downticket and so far no dice. Why isn't anyone talking about THAT anomaly.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,422 posts)
9. If the Senate races are going good for the Dems
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
Oct 2012

wouldn't that naturally help President Obama as well, at least on Election Day. There probably won't be a lot of Democratic voters for Senate races that also vote for Romney I suspect (in most cases).

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
5. For some reason, Obama took a big hit in MA
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
Oct 2012

I don't get why. It's showing up in other polls.

Just prior to the debate, Obama had HUGE leads in Massachusetts and Romney was going DOWN.

Did some MA voters really buy all the b.s. Romney said ?

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
6. Obama down to +14 in MA
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
Oct 2012

He had leads of + 28 + 30 in MA last week.

Hopefully they will go back up.

In reality though, it doesn't matter too much if Romney ends up doing better in MA than he was last week UNLESS it affects the Senate race.

A good Obama number is necessary for Warren to do well (or at least so we assumed), but in this poll Warren seems to be doing well DESPITE Obama letting her down.

That's a good sign for Warren.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/10/warren-up-6-obama-up-14-in-massachusetts.html

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
10. Independents are breaking for Romney now, where they went for Obama before
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:24 PM
Oct 2012

Keep in mind that probably 3/4 of the so-called Unenrolled in Massachusetts are actually embarrassed Republicans, and when Moderate Mitt showed up at the debate, they probably fell in love with their old governor all over again

MSMITH33156

(879 posts)
15. Well, on the bright side
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:14 PM
Oct 2012

if the reason for Obama's drop nationally is that in a state like Massachusetts his lead dropped from 28 to 14, that's the best news I've heard all week.

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)
7. I hope Obama's MA lead has dropped to less than 10 points
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
Oct 2012

That means the national polls are ever so slightly better than they appear. It doesn't matter if Obama wins 100% of the vote in Massachusetts, he needs 50%+ in the swing states!

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
13. No, that's incorrect about MA
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:29 PM
Oct 2012

The fate of the Senate may depend on Elizabeth Warren. She needs good numbers from Obama.

We need to get them MA Presidential numbers back up.

So far Warren is doing her part.

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)
14. Warren will win on her own merits
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:12 PM
Oct 2012

I think she took control of the race for good last night with her strong debate performance. It does not matter how well Obama does when she is as strong of a candidate as she is. I'm just saying if Obama is polling weaker in strong Democratic states and is still generally tied or one point behind in national polls, it must mean he is doing relatively better in the other states.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
16. Yes, that's fine
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:36 PM
Oct 2012

But I just don't want to see Obama tank in MA - it doesn't send a good signal.

Remember we also want the victory of beating Mitt in his 'home state' by a wide margin!

Btw, don't know if you've had a chance to see it yet, but Warren has now taken the lead in today's Rasmussen poll for the first time this year.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
11. The polls show Warren winning so far
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:27 PM
Oct 2012

But as I said above, yes, I am ticked off with Obama about this. Warren has been working her heart out, and the fate of the Senate depends on her.

Obama needs to keep his MA numbers up. So I hope he watches Warren debate and realizes that he needs to prepare for the next debate better and learn from her about how it's done.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
19. Warren definitely seems to have the momentum
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:46 PM
Oct 2012

Warren went from (+2) in PPP last month to (+6) this month.

Warren went from (Tie) in Rasmussen last month to (+2) this month.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
12. Interesting comment from PPP about 'the Professor Warren stuff'
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 02:27 PM
Oct 2012
Republicans love that 'Professor Warren' stuff, but professors have a 57/19 favorability rating in MA


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