Pretzel Logic: Clinton- I disagree with free college because the rich can already afford it.

[TalkingDog]

CLINTON: And then on the affordability side, I do disagree with Senator Sanders, with his plan about, you know, free college, because I want to have debt-free tuition, but I don't believe that my family or Donald Trump's family or a lot of other families that can afford it should have the advantage of free college. I think they should be contributing on behalf of their children.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1602/23/se.01.html


Ahem..... 2 items

1- Since when did your kid go to a public school?
2- Don't want "free stuff"? Don't take it. Income verification. Problem solved.

[azmom]

1. She needs to drop this lame ass line.

It's infuriating.

[CorporatistNation]

5. NOT THE ONLY LINES SHE NEEDS TO DROP!

DROP SOME TRANSCRIPTS...

[99th_Monkey]

2. Hillary: YOU can NOT have free college, because Trumps kids might get free college too.

So take on that staggering student load debt and STFU.

[NorthCarolina]

3. ie Forget the Greater Good and America's future, because

Trumps kids would be free to opt to attend some Community College on the tax payers dime.

Not sure how her supporters rationalize that position with themselves. To me it is utterly repugnant and a clear reflection of precisely the third-way mentality that I despise.

[sadoldgirl]

4. Means testing is giving the Congress control

over such a program, just as the repugs want to
do the same with SS.

[MaggieD]

6. Bernie's plan does not means test

Rich kids would be just as entitled to free college as poor kids (who in many cases didn't go to k-12 schools funded well enough to qualify a kid for college).

Why do you want to tax middle class 401ks to send rich kids to college for free? Makes no sense to me.

[Qutzupalotl]

9. The rich go to private k-12, why would they go to a public college?

And risk brushing up against the riffraff?

[dsc]

16. many many rich people go to flagship public schools

U of M has one of the best law schools in the country, Berkeley is one of the best schools in the nation, UNC has the top medical school in the south. The notion that the rich would consider these schools beneath them is absurd.

[tk2kewl]

10. means testing is a way to sew division

Everyone has a right to an education.

Denying that to people who can't afford it b/c a rich kid might also benefit is silly. Do you think we shouldn't provide fire protection equally to all people regardless of income? What about drinking water?

[MaggieD]

14. I get that he doesn't want it to look like welfare

But welfare for rich people is still welfare. And the worst kind, IMO. Especially since the taxes will also be on middle class 401ks.

[tk2kewl]

18. rich kids will still have thir private schools

Taxes for water, fire protection, et al also are paid by everyone. The wall st transaction tax will have negligible effect on the middle class and framing it as a tax on 401ks is a bs frame just like the "death tax"

[Fumesucker]

12. Means testing has a cost, a lot of us think the sheer monetary cost is greater than the savings

Not to mention the social stigma of being singled out as unworthy because your parents are rich.

[dogman]

7. It's hardly free college.

It is free tuition in public colleges. Their are still a lot of costs involved and that will require individual solutions. I'm sure theirs and other wealthy students will still opt for private schools. It's simply increasing K-12 to K-14-16. Community colleges should be tuition free. She has pledged no taxes so she can't pay for anything people want. Her friends need the money more than those students, even thought those students would pay back in taxes if they are more qualified and earn more.

[jillan]

8. As if the Trumps of the world are going to stop sending their kids to private schools, esp

when the commoners start filling up the public schools.

[stevenleser]

11. It's pretzel when you have misinterpreted it as you have

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511329497#post7

[shawn703]

13. Everyone including the rich are entitled to free K-12 education

We are talking about extending the right to an education to include additional years, regardless of income. Hillary just looks really bad on this.

[MaggieD]

15. I disagree with that, and I think many Hillary Clinton supporters do too

[dsc]

17. grade schools don't have admissions standards

and the standards colleges have favor the wealthy and middle class at the expense of the poor.

[Dem2]

19. I saw it live

You're deliberately taking it out of context. People who need help, get help, it's that simple if you didn't catch it.

[beaglelover]

20. For those of us who understand what she is saying, there is nothing wrong with what she said.

The rich should not be eligible for any gov't subsidies to pay for college. That's all she was saying.

[WiffenPoof]

21. Nice Steely Dan reference...N/T

[Uncle Joe]

22. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, TalkingDog.