2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSO Harry Reid wants Obama to nominate GOP governor for Supreme Court?
Isn't that one of main talking points on why we would harm our country so much if we ever fail to vote for the Democrat who is running for President.
We hear it over and over again..."but what about the Supreme Court?". It's a major talking point for electing Democrats no matter their policies.
Harry Reid wants President Obama to nominate the governor of his state.
That is WHY I voted through the years for the Democratic nominee....to get the right people on the Supreme Court.
Obama offers Supreme Court hints; top Democrat suggests Republican governor
Meanwhile, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid suggested a Republican, Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval, as a potential nominee. A source confirmed to CNN that the White House is vetting Sandoval.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Leith
(7,809 posts)Here's what I posted in another thread:
Sandoval has already been a federal judge and he would probably be very interested in a lifelong position in Washington DC with all the prestige but without mucking around raising funds for reelection. Furthermore, he was pretty moderate for a Republican (he accepted the MedicAid expansion here). He would make a decent Supreme.
Reid is trying to raise the chances of keeping his Senate seat in Democratic hands.
Let's not underestimate the senior Senator from my state. He's crazy like a fox.
This may be the least bad solution possible with the Rethug scum in Congress. And it really is a pretty slick bit of politicking on Reid's part.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)That doesn't sound like such a good deal for us.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Rep. Joe Heck has already secured the support of the GOP establishment. It's inconceivable to me that Sandoval would now change his mind and set off an intra-party bloodbath.
The only rationale for nominating him to the Court is that a Republican might win this fall and nominate someone far worse. I think Obama will do much better to nominate someone else, so that we can hammer the Republicans over their obstructionism.
djean111
(14,255 posts)justify identifying with today's Democratic Party.
Wish I was surprised that Obama would nominate a Republican. And this puts paid to all the utter and complete bullshit about Bernie not being a Democrat - in my opinion, he is one of the very few who is NOT using the Party just to further his ambitions. He is more of a Democrat than most of them.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Are you saying that Obama is playing chicken with this, like he supposedly was with chained CPI? I don't.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)As if we should cater to that bunch of kindergarteners before making a good choice ...
It's up to the president to use his judgement to offer a qualified jurist .. we don't have to sign, seal, and deliver a ready made hyper conservative to the Senate just to get their approval ...
Screw that ...
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)It's too hard to fight so we just give them a Republican on a silver platter? Why not nominate Zephyr Teachout and fight like hell? Even if those creatures refuse to confirm her, we would start showing "them" that we're FUCKING SERIOUS ABOUT RIGHTING WRONGS.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)"It's too hard to fight them. Better go with status quo."
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)immediately give them what they want without a fight anyway? Where is the distinction between the two parties? And more importantly who will fight for the citizens of this country if we are just going to give the Republicans what they want?
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)They would much rather approve a selection like this than someone Bernie would nominate, possibly with a Democratic senate in place too in 2017.
And they don't have a Supreme Court in place this year that can pull what they pulled in 2000 either to try to hand the election to a Republican!
I'm thinking that if Bernie picks up steam and we know he's going to get nominated at some point, perhaps there should be plans by the Progressive caucus and other folks favoring Bernie to find a way to get some other very controversial legislation that they know will get filibustered in the lame duck session, and Bernie and others can do day long rants during that process to prevent Republicans from ever even having a hearing to try and approve in lame duck a Republican nominee by the end of the term. Find some way to force a "faustian choice" on the Republicans where they pick just one outcome to choose from, and hopefully have them pick one which has an outcome that does little or nothing to the American people, but avoids them screwing themselves in the party for the future, so that they will be forced to choose that rather than pick a flawed Supreme Court choice.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I expect Obama and the GOP will suddenly see eye to eye on a whole mountain of shit, which will rapidly be passed before Sanders can be inaugurated.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... before that happens, and to know who would work with us as Democrats to do time consuming filibusters to find ways to effectively shut down those efforts. Depending on the legislation, perhaps even some Republicans might help. There probably would be a lot of pressure to pass the TPP then, as those supporting it would know they have to pass that in lame duck session as a president Sanders wouldn't sign it or other free trade treaties. There are many Republicans that have constituencies that don't want this passed too, so perhaps we could join forces to have a filibuster of the TPP take up too much time to allow for a presidential hearing on a controversial justice nominee.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)He agrees with the Senate on a laundry list of issues. Of course they'd happily approve him.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I am getting more and more disgusted with the party. I can see why people just go Green or give up on it all together. It's so demoralizing when the base continually gets stabbed in the back. I'm getting close to being completely fed up and leaving the party I joined for my first vote, for Walter Mondale.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Betrayal is too nice of a word.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Sounds ridiculous when you say those words together.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)With liberals like these...
jillan
(39,451 posts)compromised position.
Hopefully he is not listening to Harry too carefully.
Peregrine Took
(7,415 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Federal bench experience, and not the worst sort of governor.
But goddamn, Harry. This had better be a joke, or a fake first-pass nod to bipartisanship.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)angrychair
(8,700 posts)if PBO attempts to nominate a teapublican governor for SCOTUS I will be very disheartened. We are getting screwed.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)but the point is if he is republican, he will most likely side with republican scotus on most cases. They almost always do. We need to appoint another liberal to the SC.
angrychair
(8,700 posts)Is the mistake:
"this guy is a moderate, not a 'teapublican'"
The lie is that there is a "moderate" Republican.
They are all teapublicans.
Supports civil unions but not gay marriage.
Lending to small businesses will help create jobs in state.
Death penalty for the worst crimes.
Supports capital punishment for certain crimes.
Yes to charter schools statewide.
School choice including private schools.
Supports education vouchers for public or private school.
Keystone XL Pipeline fundamental to economic prosperity.
2nd Amendment applies to individuals.
Opposes restrictions on the right to bear arms
$874 decrease in public employees benefit plan. (
Supports lawsuits against Obama health care bill.
ObamaCare raises constitutional questions; lawsuit needed. (Nov 2010)
Opposes government-run healthcare.
Loosen "one-size-fits-all" approach to Medicaid.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I believe there are moderate republicans out there. they are not all extremists, and teabaggers are extremists. I think there are probably some republicans who are more moderate and reasonable than many of our Blue dogs running the Dem party today.
angrychair
(8,700 posts)I do have friends that are republicans but we stay on friendly terms by avoiding politics. I have had conversations and interactions (in a dozen or more states over 20+ years as an educated adult) with them and I have observed enough to confidently make that broad statement that they are racist, xenophobic, war-mongering self-serving, bat shit crazy religious hypocrites.
They may vary in intensity in these traits but all are common in a self-avowed "republican".
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)and she was not any of those things. She just believed what she heard at church.
angrychair
(8,700 posts)I have friends and a great deal of family that are republicans. They are what they are, like the sky is blue and a zebra has stripes a Dalmatian has spots. You can't change it. They are part of the great circle of life. If they didn't exist, what would a tree hugging progressive like me have to bitch about?
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)These current "Dems" are a f*cking joke..
senz
(11,945 posts)These folks have learned to love their inner Republican.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)You were voted into office you currently hold to be the opposition party! Please check the letters in the parentheses after your name and act accordingly. The voters haven't become totally irrelevant yet. Thank you for your attention in this matter. We the people will be here to assist you should you become confused regarding how to achieve this. End of message. Carry on.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Time For A Revolution!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Does anyone else have REAL PROBLEMS with Harry Reid as ML?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2601623
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)We nominated a Democrat so he could nominate, at least, a non-conservative Supreme Court judge. The people have already chosen who they wanted to be in charge of this process. If Obama makes this much of a "compromise" in his nomination, I will lose all respect for him. And I've always liked him, a lot, even though he's done some things and made some compromises I didn't like.
Better he nominate a liberal, let the republicans filibuster, or whatever they do to hold it up, and then when Sanders is elected, we can really teach them a lesson.
dsc
(52,162 posts)he was Earl Warren.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)then keeping the Supreme Court in Republican hands and the TPP will be his legacy.
TheLogicalSong
(44 posts)And how we should be in complete awe of the brilliant leadership.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Fall in line, plebes!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I'm sure it's just another compromising Chess move. Fake out for the Repubs...blah..blah.
azmom
(5,208 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)betrayal. And out party already has enough of that. There is an old saying about the election where no one came to vote????
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)at 0, and the dems will start at halfway to zero.
And this is why we need to start electing real democrats, not turdways.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)but, given how Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito, and on many occasions, Kennedy (all R. Catholics) have voted, I'm apprehensive. Granted the one woman R. Catholic, Sotomayor, has not allowed religious edicts to drive her decisions, but I'm surely wary of any new conservatives.
And that does not even begin to address my issues with nominating a Republican...
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Zorra
(27,670 posts)who is nominated. The candidate must be 100% certifiably pro choice, pro civil rights, pro democracy, etc.
We can't risk a defection.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)I voted both times for Obama but it's like they got him on something so he will play along with the Repubs wants and needs. I am totally disheartened for the change he promised but is not there. He had both houses in the beginning and yet not much change.
Now the meme is that the nomination should be getting over soon and that Sanders needs to bow out. This party is so so disheartening.
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rnk6670
(29 posts)disappointment. Just as a Hillary Whitehouse would be. Tired of this right leaning moderate shit. Time for a new fucking direction.
malthaussen
(17,204 posts)The endorsement is Harry Reid's. Do you really think that because Mr Sandoval is being "vetted" and has been suggested by his state crony that that means it is a done deal?
-- Mal
Change has come
(2,372 posts)The "people" get to vet the trial balloons too.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)O is a major disappointment.
With Hillary we know exactly what we'll get. That is, if you pay attention.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Corrupt to the fucking core...
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)And also to act as a insurance plug for their corporate masters in case the nation actually DOES vote in Sanders, and another judge leaves office during his time in the WH.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Bernie=Jesus
lol
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)Why wait for elections and stuff.....
Republican = Evil = Duh
Harry is insane.....
Octafish
(55,745 posts)A 5-4 fascist crapstorm of a mess.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)That's code for 'someone who knows that a fraction of a percent of the people run things and who intends to see it stays that way.'
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)would nominate someone that is so qualified that the Republicans couldn't refuse them. I think that is code for he will nominate someone he knows the Republicans will like. That is a bad sign.
madamesilverspurs
(15,805 posts)Harry Reid is very good at knowing how to place a burr under GOP saddles...
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)he goes through that great revolving door and to his Lobbying reward
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)voteragain
(12 posts)I had to make a reply here.
those of you who follow politics for 24/7 no matter if your a Hillary supporter or a Bernie supporter, what's going on here?
what's the message Harry is telling?
vote Dem cause we will give you a repub for the Supreme Court and the GOP won't?
I'm flabbergasted !
FDR must be turning in his grave where the Democratic party is going.........
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)if this is done.
Good post, the message seems to be we have no message so we will nominate a Republican.
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)A God Damn Republican Governor for the Supreme Court.....I don't care how God Damn centrist he is!
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The only way to save this country from anything and everything is to vote for Bernie. This proves it.
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madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)2nd Amendment applies to individuals. (Nov 2010)
Opposes restrictions on the right to bear arms. (Aug 2010)
Brian Sandoval on Health Care
Click here for 5 full quotes on Health Care OR background on Health Care.
$874 decrease in public employees benefit plan. (Sep 2011)
Supports lawsuits against Obama health care bill. (Dec 2010)
ObamaCare raises constitutional questions; lawsuit needed. (Nov 2010)
Opposes government-run healthcare. (Aug 2010)
Loosen "one-size-fits-all" approach to Medicaid. (Jan 2011)
0rganism
(23,957 posts)Brian Sandoval -- name suggests Hispanic roots, may have some strong career qualifications, and should be ideologically acceptable to most Republicans, makes declining to consider this nomination pretty difficult.
i expect Obama will continue throwing Hispanic moderates at them until they crack or implode from overwhelming stupidity.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I'm not voting for any more DINO, ever
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The establishment is two sides of the same coin.
We're just the peons. You know why we're called that? Cause we just get peed on.
pansypoo53219
(20,981 posts)MAKE them do their JOBS.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Or would it be a Favor Daisy Chain?
I can't keep up