2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFor the first time since voting started, Hillary's chance at nomination hits 90%
Chance to be Democratic nominee:
Hillary - 90%
Bernie - 10%
Chance to be President:
Hillary - 56%
Trump - 23%
Rubio - 13%
Bernie - 5%
Predictive markets look to have made up their mind for the nomination and have Hillary as the favorite for the presidency over every other challenger, Democratic or Republican, combined.
http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)an embarrassment. That won't change by the time of the GE.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)She's not trustworthy, transcripts are going to hurt her, and the emails!!
GO HILLARY!!!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Chance to be President:
Hillary - 56%
Trump - 23%
Rubio - 13%
Bernie - 5%
http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner
Yavin4
(35,442 posts)How so? He's insulted every group in the nation.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Yavin4
(35,442 posts)If it was 50 Hispanics, then that doesn't say much.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)And unstoppable
Hill yes
hoosierlib
(710 posts)brooklynite
(94,598 posts)Put some bets down; you'll make a fortune.
Maybe....
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)(And cheesecake.)
6chars
(3,967 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)And, get this, Ted Cruz is actually tied according to Predictwise with Kasich at 1%. Kasich, who hasn't come close to winning anything.
Now, does any of that make sense to you?
Rubio may not even win his own state (FL, I believe he's currently behind); he's also behind in the delegate count to Cruz. Cruz will likely win Texas (a state with notably more people than Florida).
The point being made here is that Predictwise may not be, shall we say, something you would want to rely on.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)As do all active candidates. But, literally, no one is putting any money into them (Why the strike prices is so low). And it reflects investor belief that Cruz has no shot at actually being president.
Which, frankly, is pretty spot on thinking, in my opinion.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Your Predictwise has Marco Rubio at a 28% chance to win the nomination. Ted Cruz? 2%.
Does that sound logical to you?
Before you answer, know that Marco Rubio after 4 states is behind in the delegate count to Ted Cruz.
Know that one of the Super Tuesday primaries coming up is the primary in Texas. How well do you think Marco will perform there?
Also, do consider this too:
Cruz outraises Rubio in Super Tuesday states
from: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/23/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-super-tuesday-states-fundraising/80802330/
Really, guy, I encourage you to truly think deeply before posting anything else from Predictwise.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)And Rubio is going to end up being the last real challenger to Trump.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)And the establishment is coalescing around him.
Predictive Markets, analysts and investors look forward in what will happen, and their expectation is a reality-based one. Others will drop or e and unify support behind Rubio in an effort to prevent a Trump victory for their nomination.
It is the same reason Bernie's chances did not increase after NH; the markets simply didn't see it as a big enough deal to change the race. There is no expectation that Cruz has the ability to upend the race from Trump vs Rubio.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...do you understand that? Do you further understand that the Texas primary is March 1st? I provided you a post indicating that Ted Cruz is AHEAD OF RUBIO NOT BEHIND in fundraising for the March 1st primaries. Did you think that was of no value?
The Florida primary is March 15th I believe. But Rubio is behind, and that state is (I believe) winner take all. That would mean no delegates for Rubio, all for Trump.
FOR THE LAST TIME, ANY ORGANIZATION THAT GIVES MARCO RUBIO A 28% CHANCE OF WINNING THE GOP NOMINATION, WHILE GIVING TED CRUZ JUST A 2% CHANCE, IS NOT AN ORGANIZATION TO BE TRUSTED!!!
And explain to us all just who these "investors" are that you mention in your post (#21) are? Can you do that? What precisely are they "investing" in? Tell us about them and how they acquired their expertise on elections.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)what anyone says about it. Thirdway, neoconservative, middle class killing, complicit and direct dishonesty, child labor, war profiteering, corporate shill, it's all good!
But Bernie is much worse right?
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)But good effort nonetheless.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)And, again, Rubio will be in this race much longer than Cruz. Much longer, regardless of Texas.
But, since you have some issues with predictive markets, you can start here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251778205
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)I do have an issue with the accuracy of Predictwise. You could be most helpful here if you would simply define for me the "investors" that you spoke.
Go ahead, I dare you.
dsc
(52,162 posts)Cruz has shown himself to be incapable of winning the voters that were supposed to be carrying him to the nomination (evangelicals and in particular southern evangelicals). Cruz finished third in SC which has the highest concentration of evangelicals in the primaries. Rubio is clearly the establishment choice which is his lane. I think Trump is the most likely winner but Rubio is the only other GOP candidate with a chance.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)... you write: "but Rubio is the only other GOP candidate with a chance."
So, you are able to see what all those donating hard-earned cash to Ted Cruz are not able to see:
But in perhaps the strongest measure of Cruzs outreach to early voting states, the Texas senator outraised Rubio in the 11 states that will stage Super Tuesday primaries and caucuses next week, a USA TODAY analysis of new campaign-finance reports shows.-- http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/23/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-super-tuesday-states-fundraising/80802330/
In January, Cruz collected more than $1.8 million from these states, many of them clustered in the South. By comparison, donors from those states gave less than half that amount about $774,000 to Rubios campaign last month.
Over the entire election cycle, Cruz has raised more than three times the amount that Rubio has collected from the March 1 states.
You write: "Cruz finished third in SC which has the highest concentration of evangelicals in the primaries." Cruz finished a whopping 0.2% behind Rubio, and that makes all the difference. Oh, and in winning the senate race southern state of TEXAS, don't you think that Mr. Cruz received a substantial portion of evangelicals, especially given that he first had to win a contested primary?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)my health insurance continuing to rise, private prisons continuing to rake in more money, TPP (NAFTA on steroids) depressing wages more, charter schools completely obliterating public schools, cuts to SS benefits ("strengthening" social security), college grads continuing to finish with oppressive debt, and a middle east doctrine that will make Obama look like Gandhi.
And, of course, 4 years of investigations into e-mails, Benghazi, and other peccadillos.
Incremental steps!
corkhead
(6,119 posts)and we can get on with building a new political party that actually represents its constituents instead of having two parties of greed and war to choose between.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)A really short victory for Hillary if she makes it to the GE.