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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:49 AM Feb 2016

For the first time since voting started, Hillary's chance at nomination hits 90%

Chance to be Democratic nominee:
Hillary - 90%
Bernie - 10%

Chance to be President:
Hillary - 56%
Trump - 23%
Rubio - 13%
Bernie - 5%

Predictive markets look to have made up their mind for the nomination and have Hillary as the favorite for the presidency over every other challenger, Democratic or Republican, combined.

http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner

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For the first time since voting started, Hillary's chance at nomination hits 90% (Original Post) Godhumor Feb 2016 OP
Math and science have a bias in favor of reality!/nt DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #1
But, we've been told here that Trump would crush Hillary in the GE leftofcool Feb 2016 #2
Sanity will prevail. Major U.S. newspapers believe Trump is oasis Feb 2016 #8
And some say.. asuhornets Feb 2016 #3
Who cares? She is unelectable. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #4
Wow! You showed them! nt onehandle Feb 2016 #9
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #10
And Trump is? Yavin4 Feb 2016 #27
Trump insulted immigrants and the Pope and got 46% of Latino vote in NV. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #29
What was the total number of Hispanics voting? Yavin4 Feb 2016 #33
K&R! kydo Feb 2016 #5
She's tough mainstreetonce Feb 2016 #6
Ahh hubris... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #7
C'mon -- 10c on the dollar! brooklynite Feb 2016 #12
Wow! You showed them! nt onehandle Feb 2016 #13
Wow. So did you! Phlem Feb 2016 #26
I love rational thinking. And numbers. And science. And statistics. And logic. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #11
! Phlem Feb 2016 #28
First time ever a non-incumbent has wrapped it up so early 6chars Feb 2016 #14
How can anyone take Predictwise seriously??? Herman4747 Feb 2016 #15
They have a non-zero chance of being president Godhumor Feb 2016 #16
Okay, let me ask you this. Herman4747 Feb 2016 #17
Cruz is also running out of steam and is probably not long for the race. NuclearDem Feb 2016 #19
Because Rubio is in much better shape going forward then Cruz Godhumor Feb 2016 #21
CRUZ IS ACTUALLY AHEAD OF RUBIO IN THE DELEGATE COUNT... Herman4747 Feb 2016 #24
Dude, save it. There is no logic in supporting Hillary and they don't care Phlem Feb 2016 #30
You forgot corporatist and oligarch Godhumor Feb 2016 #32
Sure thing Godhumor Feb 2016 #31
I certainly do NOT have an issue with predictive markets... Herman4747 Feb 2016 #37
It does make sense dsc Feb 2016 #34
Perhaps I truly should listen to Phlem but anyway... Herman4747 Feb 2016 #35
Splendid. I am looking forward to Doctor_J Feb 2016 #18
The good news is that hopefully come November both parties will be irreparably broken corkhead Feb 2016 #22
Bah. You and your "math"... SidDithers Feb 2016 #20
Math and statistics. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #23
As it should be. Alfresco Feb 2016 #25
...just to crash and burn in the general election and give us Trump as president AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #36
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #38

oasis

(49,389 posts)
8. Sanity will prevail. Major U.S. newspapers believe Trump is
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

an embarrassment. That won't change by the time of the GE.

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
33. What was the total number of Hispanics voting?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:23 PM
Feb 2016

If it was 50 Hispanics, then that doesn't say much.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
15. How can anyone take Predictwise seriously???
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016
They have Marco Rubio at 13% chance to become president, Ted Cruz at 1%!!!
And, get this, Ted Cruz is actually tied according to Predictwise with Kasich at 1%. Kasich, who hasn't come close to winning anything.
Now, does any of that make sense to you?
Rubio may not even win his own state (FL, I believe he's currently behind); he's also behind in the delegate count to Cruz. Cruz will likely win Texas (a state with notably more people than Florida).
The point being made here is that Predictwise may not be, shall we say, something you would want to rely on.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
16. They have a non-zero chance of being president
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

As do all active candidates. But, literally, no one is putting any money into them (Why the strike prices is so low). And it reflects investor belief that Cruz has no shot at actually being president.

Which, frankly, is pretty spot on thinking, in my opinion.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
17. Okay, let me ask you this.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:19 PM
Feb 2016

Your Predictwise has Marco Rubio at a 28% chance to win the nomination. Ted Cruz? 2%.
Does that sound logical to you?
Before you answer, know that Marco Rubio after 4 states is behind in the delegate count to Ted Cruz.
Know that one of the Super Tuesday primaries coming up is the primary in Texas. How well do you think Marco will perform there?
Also, do consider this too:
Cruz outraises Rubio in Super Tuesday states
from: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/23/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-super-tuesday-states-fundraising/80802330/

Really, guy, I encourage you to truly think deeply before posting anything else from Predictwise.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
19. Cruz is also running out of steam and is probably not long for the race.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:22 PM
Feb 2016

And Rubio is going to end up being the last real challenger to Trump.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
21. Because Rubio is in much better shape going forward then Cruz
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:49 PM
Feb 2016

And the establishment is coalescing around him.

Predictive Markets, analysts and investors look forward in what will happen, and their expectation is a reality-based one. Others will drop or e and unify support behind Rubio in an effort to prevent a Trump victory for their nomination.

It is the same reason Bernie's chances did not increase after NH; the markets simply didn't see it as a big enough deal to change the race. There is no expectation that Cruz has the ability to upend the race from Trump vs Rubio.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
24. CRUZ IS ACTUALLY AHEAD OF RUBIO IN THE DELEGATE COUNT...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:43 PM
Feb 2016

...do you understand that? Do you further understand that the Texas primary is March 1st? I provided you a post indicating that Ted Cruz is AHEAD OF RUBIO NOT BEHIND in fundraising for the March 1st primaries. Did you think that was of no value?

The Florida primary is March 15th I believe. But Rubio is behind, and that state is (I believe) winner take all. That would mean no delegates for Rubio, all for Trump.

FOR THE LAST TIME, ANY ORGANIZATION THAT GIVES MARCO RUBIO A 28% CHANCE OF WINNING THE GOP NOMINATION, WHILE GIVING TED CRUZ JUST A 2% CHANCE, IS NOT AN ORGANIZATION TO BE TRUSTED!!!

And explain to us all just who these "investors" are that you mention in your post (#21) are? Can you do that? What precisely are they "investing" in? Tell us about them and how they acquired their expertise on elections.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
30. Dude, save it. There is no logic in supporting Hillary and they don't care
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:04 PM
Feb 2016

what anyone says about it. Thirdway, neoconservative, middle class killing, complicit and direct dishonesty, child labor, war profiteering, corporate shill, it's all good!

But Bernie is much worse right?

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
31. Sure thing
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

And, again, Rubio will be in this race much longer than Cruz. Much longer, regardless of Texas.

But, since you have some issues with predictive markets, you can start here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251778205

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
37. I certainly do NOT have an issue with predictive markets...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:47 PM
Feb 2016

I do have an issue with the accuracy of Predictwise. You could be most helpful here if you would simply define for me the "investors" that you spoke.
Go ahead, I dare you.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
34. It does make sense
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

Cruz has shown himself to be incapable of winning the voters that were supposed to be carrying him to the nomination (evangelicals and in particular southern evangelicals). Cruz finished third in SC which has the highest concentration of evangelicals in the primaries. Rubio is clearly the establishment choice which is his lane. I think Trump is the most likely winner but Rubio is the only other GOP candidate with a chance.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
35. Perhaps I truly should listen to Phlem but anyway...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

... you write: "but Rubio is the only other GOP candidate with a chance."

So, you are able to see what all those donating hard-earned cash to Ted Cruz are not able to see:

But in perhaps the strongest measure of Cruz’s outreach to early voting states, the Texas senator outraised Rubio in the 11 states that will stage Super Tuesday primaries and caucuses next week, a USA TODAY analysis of new campaign-finance reports shows.

In January, Cruz collected more than $1.8 million from these states, many of them clustered in the South. By comparison, donors from those states gave less than half that amount — about $774,000 — to Rubio’s campaign last month.

Over the entire election cycle, Cruz has raised more than three times the amount that Rubio has collected from the March 1 states.
-- http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/23/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-super-tuesday-states-fundraising/80802330/

You write: "Cruz finished third in SC which has the highest concentration of evangelicals in the primaries." Cruz finished a whopping 0.2% behind Rubio, and that makes all the difference. Oh, and in winning the senate race southern state of TEXAS, don't you think that Mr. Cruz received a substantial portion of evangelicals, especially given that he first had to win a contested primary?
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
18. Splendid. I am looking forward to
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:22 PM
Feb 2016

my health insurance continuing to rise, private prisons continuing to rake in more money, TPP (NAFTA on steroids) depressing wages more, charter schools completely obliterating public schools, cuts to SS benefits ("strengthening" social security), college grads continuing to finish with oppressive debt, and a middle east doctrine that will make Obama look like Gandhi.

And, of course, 4 years of investigations into e-mails, Benghazi, and other peccadillos.

Incremental steps!

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
22. The good news is that hopefully come November both parties will be irreparably broken
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:19 PM
Feb 2016

and we can get on with building a new political party that actually represents its constituents instead of having two parties of greed and war to choose between.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
36. ...just to crash and burn in the general election and give us Trump as president
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:45 PM
Feb 2016

A really short victory for Hillary if she makes it to the GE.

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