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When isn't Goldman Sachs involved with a scandal? This latest one involves close ties to high ranking members of the Malaysian Govt:
FBI gathers clues in massive Goldman Sachs money scandal
By John Aidan Byrne - February 20, 2016
Fallout from Goldman Sachs involvement with the controversial Malaysian state fund continued last week.
US law enforcement officials are gathering sensitive documents and identifying potential witnesses in the massive money scandal that has ensnared the bank and one of its regional chairmen in a global probe, an international investigator told The Post.
The bombshell case involves Tim Leissner, 45, Goldmans chairman for Southeast Asia, who recently decamped to Los Angeles to take a personal leave.
Hes married to the glamorous businesswoman and former model Kimora Lee Simmons, ex-wife of hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons.
The fallout is widespread, and it affected both Goldman and Leissner badly because of their reputed close ties with high-ranking government officials in Malaysia....
Full article:
http://nypost.com/2016/02/20/fbi-gathers-clues-in-massive-goldman-sachs-money-scandal/
Some links to more background on this newest scandal:
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/1mdb-scandal-goldmans-ex-se-asia-chairman-leissner-leaves-firm
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-24/goldman-s-ex-southeast-asia-chairman-tim-leissner-leaves-firm
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bff30cc0-dab8-11e5-98fd-06d75973fe09.html#axzz416HghVCU
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)think
(11,641 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)TBF
(32,064 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)think
(11,641 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-21/malaysia-s-najib-razak-feels-heat-as-state-owned-1mdb-melts-down
The timing was controversial. 1MDB may have been created with one of the key objectives being to raise a slush fund to finance Barisan Nasionals election campaigns, says MP Tony Pua, of the opposition Democratic Action Party. A statement from the prime ministers office dismissed the allegations in the Wall Street Journal, saying they amounted to political sabotage at the hands of certain individuals to undermine confidence in our economy, tarnish the government, and remove a democratically elected prime minister. In a statement, 1MDB said it has never provided any funds to the prime minister.
But that could never happen here, right? right?
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Before taking the money? That makes it all legit, right?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)sort of explains the confidence that banksters have when they say HRC is only saying what people want to hear and will do her best for them when she's crowned.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)doors padlocked. In 2007 GS bought Alltel for 27.5 Billion and was holding it for some some term money but the very next year sold it to Verizon for 28.1 Billion. Probably not enough to even cover the cost of selling it. The word was that they needed cash, a lot of cash right now cash. That was 2008.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)think
(11,641 posts)The too big to fail banks have broken enough laws and done enough damage. It's time to break them up and work to keep them from manipulating the laws they are already breaking.
When wealth inequality is at it's highest point since the great depression more of the same isn't going to cut it.
We need a president who isn't taking cash from the big banks. We need Bernie Sanders!
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)working hard on getting as many disaffected voters as possible...there are millions of them.
They believe their vote is meaningless, we must change that.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)It has nothing to do with the primary.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Seems to be about something that occurred in Malaysia. Where is the connection to our presidential race?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)or at least should be if they're paying any attention at all.
That this particular instance of GS malfeasance happens to involve a foreign country
does not somehow magically exempt it from being fair game for voter scrutiny.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)could influence investigations into, and sanctions for, said company with money.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Bernie is attracting throngs and has a wave going preaching against the one percent, said the attendee, requesting anonymity to speak candidly. So why would he take the weekend to spend in Marthas Vineyard with wealthy people who are donating at least $37,000 and change to the DSCC? (That is the minimum contribution to the Senate Democrats campaign arm in order to attend the event)."
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Here's a more fair article.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/sanders-democratic-fundraisers/index.html
You must have spent a while looking for one that doesn't detail the money goes to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, which sanders SOMETIMES receives some campaign funds back from, when appropriate, and a committee fund that benefits more than just him, personally.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I'm trying to figure out if WHERE she made the money is important, or if WHO paid was important. Sorry, it's unclear to me.
FDR and JFK's money came from banks, real estate, and other similar industries. So is it electing rich people you object to, or how they made their money that you object to?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I don't believe I did. Did you want to have an honest discussion here, or are you just going to sit there and put words in my mouth?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)where have you been the past 9 months?
Top Federal Reserve Official Agrees With Bernie Sanders: Break Up the Banks
http://mic.com/articles/135601/top-federal-reserve-official-agrees-with-bernie-sanders-break-up-the-banks#.EHIqMiYMp
Bernie Sanders wants Wall Street execs jailed for 2008 financial crisis
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/6/bernie-sanders-wants-wall-street-execs-jailed-2008/
In case this isn't clear enough for you, here are some visual aids:
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)She was 16 years old. By the time she was old enough to vote she was working on progressive causes. You know, Bernie has a huge gap between the years of 25 and 41 where he does not appear to be doing much of anything.
We don't see that gap during Clinton's life. She has worked non-stop for progressive causes all her adult life.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Can we get a little Truth In Advertising here?
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Here's a good summary:
1947 October 26 Hillary Diane Rodham is born at Edgewater Hospital in Chicago, Illinois, to Dorothy and Hugh E. Rodham.
1962 Attends Maine Township East High in Park Ridge, IL for three years.
1962 April 15 Goes with church youth group to Chicago to hear Rev. Martin Luther King. Hillarys minister, Don Jones, takes Hillary and others backstage where she meets Rev. King.
1964 In the fall goes door-to-door for conservative presidential candidate Barry Goldwater.
1965 Graduates from Maine South High School in Park Ridge, IL.
1965 Attends Wellesley College, an all-female college outside of Boston, and majors in political science and psychology. Elected president of the campus Republican Club.
1968 Hilary watches on television as the Democratic Convention in Chicago disintegrates into chaos when thousands of anti-war protesters are attacked with tear gas and billy clubs. Rev. Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy assassinated. Protests grow against Vietnam War.
1968 Before returning to Wellesley in September, Hillary meets with radical activist and community organization Saul Alinsky.
1968 Writes her senior thesis about Saul Alinsky: There Is Only the Fight: An Analysis of the Alinsky Model.
1969 May Graduates from Wellesley College and becomes the first student to address the graduating class at commencement. Her criticism of the official speaker, Republican Senator Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, landed an excerpt of her speech and her picture in Life magazine.
1969 Attends Yale Law School In New Haven, Connecticut.
1970 Spring Moves into small house with fellow Yale University Law student Bill Clinton.
1970 Summer Works at Childrens Defense Fund.
1971 Summer Works on migrant problems for Sen. Walter Mondale subcommittee.
1972 Works on Sen. George McGoverns presidential campaign.
1973 May Receives Juris Doctor degree from Yale Law School, where she served on the editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action. During her second year, she worked at the Yale Child Study Center.
1974 Appointed to Staff of House Judiciary Committee during Watergate. Teaches at Univ. of Ark. Law School.
1975 October 11 Hillary and Bill Clinton are married by Methodist minister Vic Nixon in a house Bill Clinton bought in Fayetteville, Arkansas.
1976 Joins the Rose Law Firm. Bill Clinton elected Attorney General of Arkansas.
1977 President Jimmy Carter appoints Hillary to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.
1978 Appointed to board of the Legal Services Corp. Bill Clinton elected Governor of Arkansas.
1979 Made full partner of the Rose Law Firm.
1980 February 27 Daughter Chelsea Victoria born by caesarean at Baptist Medical Center in Little Rock.
1980 Bill Clinton defeated in re-election bid.
1982 Bill Clinton again elected Governor.
1983 Bill Clinton appoints Hillary head of the Arkansas Education Standards Committee.
1991 October 3 Bill Clinton announces he is running for president.
1992 January 26 Hillary and Bill Clinton appear on 60 Minutes to respond to Jennifer Flowers story.
1992 While campaigning in Chicago she defends her work for Bills presidential campaign by saying, I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas.
1992 Bill Clinton elected president with 43% of the vote.
1993 January 20 Bill Clinton sworn in and Hillary becomes First Lady.
1993 January 25 Bill Clinton names Hillary chair of health care task force.
1993 January The Hillary Clinton Quarterly publishes its first issue. Hillary is the first First Lady to have her own national publication.
1994 April 22 Holds pretty in pink press conference to refute charges that she was illegally involved in the Whitewater real estate deal.
1996 January 18 It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Our Children Teach Us is published.
2000 Elected to the U.S. Senate from New York def. Rep. Rick Lazio by 55% to 43%.
2001-2009 As New York senator sponsored 363 bills between Jan 22, 2001. and Jan 14, 2009 of which 324 did not make it out of committee; 11 were successfully enacted. Hillary co-sponsored 1,530 bills during the same time period.
2002 October 11 Votes Yes on U.S. Senate Iraq War Resolution
2003 June 9 Living History is published.
2006 November 7 Re-elected to US Senate from New York.
2007 January 20 Announces the formation of a presidential exploratory committee
2007 January 21 Hillary makes it official and launches her campaign for the presidency.
2008 June 7 Ends campaign for US President. Following the final primaries on June 3, 2008, Obama had gained enough delegates to become the presumptive nominee.
2009 January 29 Nominated by Barack Obama to be the 67th U.S. Secretary of State.
2010 January 16 US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrives in Haiti to help with disaster relief
2010 May 21 Warns of Consequences for North Korea following sinking of South Korean warship We cannot allow this attack on South Korea to go unanswered by the international community.
2010 July 31 Daughter Chelsea marries Marc Mezvinsky.
2013 January 21 Attends Barack Obamas second Inauguration.
2013 January 23 Testified before Senate Foreign Relations Committee about attack at Benghazi.
2013 February 1 Last day as U.S. Secretary of State.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You're not making much sense there.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)economy and who is best placed to fight against them and guard the US.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)What, specifically, has she done for them? I know Bernie was asked this in a debate and had no answer. Perhaps you do? Don't hold back.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)risks the public not trusting them to be president. Therefore, the OP is pertinent to
the primary race for this forum discussion.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/09/elizabeth-warrens-critique-of-hillary-clintons-2001-bankruptcy-vote/
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I can make up my own mind. It seems pretty clear Clinton voted for it when it included protections for women and children, and did not vote for it when those were removed. I also remember her being very much against it when Bill was president. And he vetoed it, did he not?
I'm not politically naïve. I understand good old fashioned horse trading when it comes to legislation. Prior to the extremists taking over the GOP this was done every day in DC.
If this is all you have (from 2001, no less) I have to believe you have no examples of her doing any favors for GS. Am I right?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)others to Sanders. The best placed candidate to confront corruption is the one
who is not the recipient of said monies, imo.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Connecting the dots is not that hard and no one forced her to take it.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)That's not a paid speech at Goldman Sachs. Try again.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Can you link to it?
I can't imagine why her speech would change based on whether she is paid or not. She was paid for a speech of hers that I attended and given that her speeches are typically in front of hundreds, if not a thousand people I think it's kind of doubtful that if she'd said anything as awful as you imagine it would be some sort of secret.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I think she has seen how her haters edit and take things out of context to lie about her. They have been doing it for 30 years now.
It's a clever trick but unfortunately for Bernie supporters only the folks that hate her care about the transcripts. There is no good reason to put them out there.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/clinton-speeches-218969
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)By contrast, Clinton has worked toward progressive causes her entire life. So there really isn't any grounds for these baseless accusations.
I ask again, based on your remarks I assume you would not have voted for FDR or JFK - is that correct?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The TPP is not 'progressive'.
"has never been for single-payer health insurance" -Hillary
In favor of the death penalty.
Let me know when I trip over something that agrees with the Progressive platform.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I think one of the problems with her detractors may be that they aren't super informed. For instance, here is some info her haters appear not to understand about TPP:
- She did not write the trade bill as so many of you falsely claim. SoS don't write trade bills.
- We live in a global economy, whether you or Bernie or anyone else likes it. 1972 is not coming back.
- Her job as SoS was to influence the TPP bill to the extent possible to include things that would level the playing field (it is distinctly unlevel right now), such as the right of workers to organization, ending currency manipulation that gives Asian countries an unfair advantage on the cost of goods, protect IP of American companies, etc. You took those efforts of hers to mean she was in favor of the TPP no matter if these important items were included or not. But that is simply not so.
-She was very clear in book and in other appearances that she would be for the TPP if it ended up including what she thought were important criteria to level the playing; and that she would be against it if it did not. It did not meet her criteria and as she stated she would be (TWO YEARS AGO) she came out against it.
- She voted against the only major trade bill that came up for a vote when she was a senator. CAFTA.
She suffers a lot of smears based on people being misinformed, IMO.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)So we can skip a sizeable percentage right there. Which is probably good, because you won't want to talk about NAFTA anyway.
I never said Hillary wrote the TPP. Not in this thread, not in any thread. Getting tired of defending against these 'you people' ghosts. You want to discuss policy with me, talk to me, not other people's positions.
I know. I work for a company that does business on every single continent on the planet, except Antarctica. (Though our products are consumed there and on the ISS.) I don't want 1972 back. That doesn't make the TPP some unavoidable unstoppable eventuality that Must Come To Pass(TM).
No, I take her at face value and in her own words. (Which brings us full circle to wanting to see some transcripts we may have discussed)
That's a lie. She voted yes on:
United States-Oman Free Trade Agreement (Bill S. 3569 ; vote number 2006-190 on Jun 29, 2006)
Free trade with Singapore (Bill S.1417/HR 2739 ; vote number 2003-318 on Jul 31, 2003)
US-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act (Bill S.1416/HR 2738 ; vote number 2003-319 on Jul 31, 2003)
Normalizing trade with Vietnam (Bill HJRES51 ; vote number 2001-291 on Oct 3, 2001)
And she voted in favor of those, while opposing expanding free trade via CAFTA to have a little time-out. on free trade agreements. Both sides of the mouth working overtime there.
And she supported MFN status with China.
You make a lot of silly assumptions.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage:
That's part of her record, she opposed it until 2013.
Not very progressive imo.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Still not seeing the connection between donations to a charity from 5 years ago and some GS employee actions recently in Malaysia. Are we playing 92 degrees of separation again?
Is every charity GS donated to also evil?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I'm not talking about the Women's forum appearance.
You wish it was 92 degrees.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Men make paid speeches. Robert Reich, who you all seem to love, gets paid $100K per speech, and probably donates a hell of a lot less the charity.
But I've never heard you try to discredit him for that. Why do you try to discredit her for it?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I didn't say anything about the upwards of 125 million dollars in speaking fees the Clintons have raked in (some $30m in the last two years), I'm fine with her commercial success.
I'm concerned with some of the people paying, and why, and what she told them. Especially since Hillary has claimed to have 'scolded' the financial sector after the last major recession.
I want to know what she actually told them, when money changed hands. I want to get a feel for how much I can trust the future CinC to pursue investigations into GS's current and future misdeeds.
If money changed hands (it did) and the message was fluff (unknown, someone is apparently 'looking into' providing transcripts) that does not bode well for the hopeful Executive.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)... to tar someone, smear someone without evidence? I assume then you would never have voted for FDR or JFK, correct?
"The Roosevelt family was New York based and involved in commerce, banking and insurance, shipbuilding and seafaring, urban real estate and landholding. Although a lawyer by training, James Roosevelt's interests were in business where he was a respected figure in the field of finance, transportation (railroads), and philanthropy."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/kennedy-wealth/
Am I reading your correctly?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I see you didn't read the mother jones article.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)That is what David Corn specializes in. You realize he is a partisan Bernie supporter, right?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Was he wrong?
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And yes, he's got nothing but innuendo in that article. And he very deliberately leaves out her legislative history that would discredit the unfounded innuendo he writes about.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I don't find his gun votes, his immigration votes, his dumping nuke waste in poor Latino areas, his vote to deregulate credit swaps and derivatives, his vote for mass incarceration to be very progressive.
I don't have purity tests for candidates, but if I did he certainly would not pass it.
http://theweek.com/articles/603044/bernie-sanders-not-nearly-progressive-think
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Even her daughter was stumping around for her last week, scaremongering over the people Sanders wants to let out of prison.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/chelsea-clinton-bernie-sanders-plan-to-end-mass-incarceration-is-worrying-a6875986.html
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... crushed and dismembered, drawn and quartered, burned at the stake, beheaded, and buried in six different toxic waste dumps just to make absolutely sure it is DEAD!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)The Greek debt crisis offers another illustration of Wall Streets powers of persuasion and predation, although the Street is missing from most accounts.
The crisis was exacerbated years ago by a deal with Goldman Sachs, engineered by Goldmans current CEO, Lloyd Blankfein. Blankfein and his Goldman team helped Greece hide the true extent of its debt, and in the process almost doubled it. And just as with the American subprime crisis, and the current plight of many American cities, Wall Streets predatory lending played an important although little-recognized role.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)He gets paid $250K per year to teach one class at a public university. Wow, that must be some class, eh? And he gets paid $100K per speech. Are you sure you want to use him to make your point?
Did Greece borrow $2.8 billion from GS? Yes. Did GS force them to do that? No.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)But I fail to see how much income someone gets or their teaching credentials has anything to do with any facts they have researched. And no, GS did not force them to borrow, they only promised a desperate nation to hide any new debt, knowing full well that it meant more payback eventually plus a larger commission.
Do you want other links than a writer for The Nation supporting that view?:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html
But in the Greek case the US bankers devised a special kind of swap with fictional exchange rates. That enabled Greece to receive a far higher sum than the actual euro market value of 10 billion dollars or yen. In that way Goldman Sachs secretly arranged additional credit of up to $1 billion for the Greeks.
.......
At some point Greece will have to pay up for its swap transactions, and that will impact its deficit. The bond maturities range between 10 and 15 years. Goldman Sachs charged a hefty commission for the deal and sold the swaps on to a Greek bank in 2005.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all
Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts.
As worries over Greece rattle world markets, records and interviews show that with Wall Streets help, the nation engaged in a decade-long effort to skirt European debt limits. One deal created by Goldman Sachs helped obscure billions in debt from the budget overseers in Brussels.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-debt-crisis-goldman-sachs-could-be-sued-for-helping-country-hide-debts-when-it-joined-euro-10381926.html
Goldman Sachs is said to have made as much as $500m from the transactions known as swaps. It denies that figure but declines to say what the correct one is.
........
The size and structure of the deal enabled the bank to charge a far bigger fee than is usual in swap transactions, and Goldman persuaded Greece not to test the transaction with competitors to ensure it was getting good value for money.