2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumhere's the direct link to the new Reuters Poll that puts Sanders up by 6.2
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR131cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Mine shows Clinton up by a point and a half!
Socialist glasses see strange things.
demwing
(16,916 posts)It's a Rolling poll, Clinton was up by 1.5% on the 13th, not the 23rd.
Maybe your glasses need a new prescription?
cannondale
(96 posts)I looked at it. Not sure what date you picked to get Clinton up 1-½ points.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Except primary voters tend to be party members, and you can't run in the general if you don't win the primary. See?
Also "anti establishment" gets us Trump. Maybe "establishment" will look like a better alternative.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Lol
But why? Because I worry tha Bernie's supporters are all like you and there aren't enough of you, pdx420 and all.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)erlewyne
(1,115 posts)He's my hero!
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)I for instance, am fed up to the point of puking with my shitty, rationed healthcare. The HMO my employer provides (at a whopping 18.5% of my gross) cares more about cutting costs than caring for me and my wife.
I'm also boiling mad about all these corporations that are taking advantage of loopholes in the tax code that allow them to NOT PAY TAXES on billions in profits. I HATE that there's over $2 trillion salted away overseas that has heretofore gone untaxed.
What makes me so mad about this is that Republicans just keep on going, like the ever ready bunny:
-privatize or cut social security
-cut medicare
-cut safety net programs
-cut education
And the Democrats HAVE BEEN LETTING THEM DO IT. I have NO trust that Clinton will save my Social Security let alone expanding it. It makes me sick that three of my four kids are still paying on student loans - when I was young education at a state school was very affordable. Sure I had to work, but when I graduated I wasn't crippled with debt.
Then the telecomms want to take away net neutrality because Congress is too gutless to say the internet belongs to the public.
When I was a kid, TV was free and the telephone cost maybe $15/month. Now I'm paying nearly $400 per month for cable, high speed internet, land lines and my cell phones.
We are getting nickel and dimed to death. I hate it when I go to the store and pick up a jar of peanut butter. Oh, it looks the same size but there's a big concavity in the bottom so they can put in less product and charge the same price. Yogurt? Look at those shitty foil lids. Sure, they are cheaper to manufacture, but it pisses me off when I get home and notice one of them has come unsealed.
The game's rigged, and I don't like the neoliberal capitalist model because it isn't sustainable, and I hate the neoconservative model because it promotes forever war and American empire. Clinton is a neocon and probably a neolib. She's socially liberal but my issues are economic.
So I won't be voting for the establishment candidate.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)once or twice...per day. But thanks for the condescension. I love it with my morning coffee.
By all means, pull in those unlikely voters, and then Bernie could win. I'll support him in the general if that's the case. I'll even canvass for him, and put a Bernie sticker on my car bumper to annoy my Republican neighbors (right now I have a Hillary sticker there, of course, which definitely annoys them to no end).
But right now the math shows that not too many unlikely voters show up, and the likely voters lean Clinton. In which case I hope we will all unite behind her to kick Republicans' butts in November. I hope so, because I really like my Hillary sticker.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Can you win an election 60-40?
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)show up to vote for the nominee.
If you Bernie folks can pull in enough voters from among those who are not-likely voters, more power to you. Then your guy wins, and we all unite behind him to kick GOP butt in November. It's as simple as that. But if you don't, then it seems likely that the people who are likely voters will go for Clinton. And I hope in that case we united behind her and kick GOP butt in November.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)That's the problem with Hillary supporters they think they have an insurmountable majority. Nothing could be further from the truth.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Unaffiliated voters. They make up about 1/3 of the electorate.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)based on that trend.
mariawr
(348 posts)If the race is close, Clinton wins. Thumb on scale and such.
He's got to flat out beat her...but this is encouraging. Just waiting to get past Super Tuesday.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts).... That, and getting your state (mine is PA) to get more and more organized...
Thanks!
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Shows Clinton in front by 2.
Lol.
Oops
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)All numbers are equal except Bernie's, where being behind by a point and change equals being ahead by 6.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The smallest it's been so far, even if the poll they added most recently swings back to Hill.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)But apparently to Hillary supporters only South Carolina matters, which is a state that hasn't delivered electoral votes to a Democrat since Jimmy Carter.
The "First in the south" also has a reputation for being the state where the dirtiest campaigns are conducted.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Should voters in a lot of blue states suddenly not matter because a red state gets to vote early?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)That being said I do believe the primary system should be changed...
- No caucuses.
- Winner take all.
- Regional or National primaries.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)All states should be required to give their delegates proportionately.
I think we should do away with superdelegates.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Someone's feeding you bad talking points.
FlaGranny
(8,361 posts)at the wrong date. Feb 23 - Sanders 41.7, Clinton 35.5. Look again and make sure your cursor is on the right date.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Bernie is up by about 6% on the 23rd. Today is not listed yet. If you hover your mouse more to the left it changes.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)"Outlier"
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)...(in addition to the fact that polls are "corporate" and not to be trusted)
"National polls are meaningless...this is a State by State nomination."
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)They keep saying that these polls mean nothing. . . .yea, month after month they keep getting the same results and they mean nothing. . . the only thing that means anything is what the pundits think. They've been so right so far . . not.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, berniepdxi.