2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton vs Sanders on ... Domestic Spying
by Mass Southpaw
Clinton voted for the Patriot Act in 2001 and again in 2006, despite criticism of its unconstitutionality and impact on civil liberties. Then, when the courts last year ruled against the NSAs bulk collection of telephone data, she called for reforming the Patriot Act. (This is a pattern: supporting something the citizens oppose, then later distancing herself from it.)
When asked about the NSA during an appearance in Silicon Valley this year, Clinton called for reform. Well, I think the NSA needs to be more transparent about what it is doing, sharing with the American people, which it wasnt. And I think a lot of the reaction about the NSA, people felt betrayed.
Yes, people felt betrayed, all right by her selling out on our guaranteed civil liberties.
Where was Bernie?
Sanders never wavered. He voted against the Patriot Act both times, saying, All of us want to protect the American people from terrorist attacks, but in a way that does not undermine basic freedoms. He was named Politician of the Year by the Library Journal for his work in 2003.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And that's what they did with em! Used em to arrest people for pot smoking fight terror! Yeah!
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/10/patriot-act-warrants-used-more-drugs-terrorism
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)The more you learn about him the more you respect him. How can he be so right on issues for such a long, long time?
And the more you learn about Hillary, the more you realize she is a political hack. . always on the wrong side of every issue, until it becomes convenient to be on the right side of the issue and then she "evolves". How can anyone who knows anything seriously, with a straight face, say they trust her?
Vattel
(9,289 posts)It's easy to get distracted by silly non-issues and mud slinging. When the records of the two candidates are laid side by side, it becomes very clear who is better qualified to be president, and it ain't Clinton.