2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Repugs are not asking for Hiilary's transcripts.
Why are Democrats here at DU asking for them?
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I answered the OP's question. OP should answer mine. Actually, I answered two: The original one and the one to my reply.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Philip Elliott
Groups with giant lobbying budgets gave Clinton big speaking fees ahead of 2016 presidential campaign
Almost half of the money from Hillary Clintons speaking engagements came from corporations and advocacy groups that were lobbying Congress at the same time.
The Democratic presidential candidate earned $10.2 million in 2014, her first full calendar year after leaving the State Department. Of that, $4.6 million came from groups that also spent on lobbying Congress that year, according to data compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics....
...Asked Tuesday if there were conflicts of interest in speaking to these groups, Clinton was curt with reporters in Cedar Falls, Iowa. No, she said.
Obviously, Bill and I have been blessed and were very grateful for the opportunities that we had...
http://time.com/3889577/hillary-clinton-paid-speeches-lobbyists-influence/
Great chart at article
http://time.com/3889577/hillary-clinton-paid-speeches-lobbyists-influence/
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Learn how to work, kid.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Her answer for not releasing is a very smart answer. I hope she don't release anything.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)then you have nothing. And you know it. She wants you all to focus on the transcripts because she knows there is no smoking gun in the transcripts. Let you focus on that while she wins state by state.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)Mainly one of Hillary being bought and paid for and a manipulative, untruthful liar.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)then why not release them?
Why wait for them to come out? I've heard rumors that a reporter has at least one of the transcripts. Why wait for the shoe to drop?
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)The bigger scandal is the $21 million she received from lobbyists and bankers between 2013-2015.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)smart play by Hillary....unless of course releasing them is worse...
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)if we are damned enough that she gets that far
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I think you and your ilk are hoping to for the media narrative to be focused on those speeches. No matter WHAT they say, I doubt you would consider voting for her.
The moral high horse is impressive and all, but ultimately, it's a lie, IMO.
I think there is no up side for her to release anything.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)no moral high horse here....we just know when we are being played.
CincyDem
(6,363 posts)Why release them now when it will be so much more fun to drop them in early September ?
They'll show up from somewhere and unfortunately, her decision to stonewall this likely puts the control in the opposition's hands.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Right now, this race is between her and Bernie. Bernie has nothing to hide. But Hillary like the GOP don't want their transcripts out in the open. That's why they're not asking her.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Which will likely backfire in splendid fashion should she release them. I hope she does!
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)Clear the air instead of constantly dodging the issue. If she has transcripts that are squeaky clean, then it benefits her to release them.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)and that is her taking $21 million from lobbyists and bankers during the past two years.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Bernie asked for one not sure if he asked for all or not.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Have you given even half a thought of what she will face on that issue before November?
Forget what we seek. The GOP will stomp on her non-stop on that issue. They will paint her as a paid Golden Handcuffed drone for Wall and paint themselves as helping the little guy.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)the Repugs don't have a leg to stand on.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Because the GOP has no credibility when it comes to transparency.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Why do you Hillary supporters always ignore an unpleasant fact and try to change the conversation to the GOP?
Why? Why not just address the issue being raised?
Is that something that is taught?
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)No cares about those emails or transcripts, only the media for talking points and Bernie supporters who are looking for damning info. Hillary is accustomed to all this nonsense. You and the rest of the Bernie supporters are always talking about no one trust her, if that's the case then why is she winning. People do trust her and we know a witch hunt when we see it.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)A series of Bosnia lies
Horrific recommendations for Libya
Worse recommendations and staffing for Ukraine.
Should I go on? The list is quite long.
And many of us DO CARE about the transcripts and the emails. You folks just want us to turn off our brains and join your side. Sorry, we won't do that blindly.
besides, (which I doubt), if there is nothing there, this type of pressure makes her a better candidate against Trump. And I suspect she will need all the help she can get.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)"You folks just want us to turn off our brains and join your side. Sorry, we won't do that blindly."-that's what you want Hillary's supporters to do to switch to Bernie, that's why all the bad info on Hillary. You can not say she is not qualified.
Your words: "this type of pressure makes her a better candidate against Trump." - to me that's an excuse to say all these bad things about her. The other side has been dogging her out for 25 years. She handle it.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)You folks are something else. And it is not pretty.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)DU is a tiny little spot on the political unconsciousness of the general population. We care about issues like this, and others, because we care about politics. Most people, like the PTB want them to, don't really give much thought to this kind of stuff.
That is why, for example, it is important for Sanders to keep repeating his message time after boring time (its okay, he said the same thing at the open house on CNN). Many of us can answer his rhetorical questions during the speech like fans do watching the Rocky Horror movie.
What the political masterminds, and especially HRC and her campaign, have to be concerned with is how this balding old Jew from Burlington/Brooklyn has managed to build a national movement that has derailed her coronation. Certainly, the pros think she's still going to take the gold ring BUT...
This was not supposed to happen to the anointed victor of a DNC rigged primary. After all, HRC is favored by large blocs of regular Dems, and she is the first woman to mount a legitimate campaign for the Presidency and, finally, it is her turn.
Only problem is those pesky voters who say enough is enough.
Sanders has a basic theory as to what is behind a lot of the problems this country faces. It is a unifying theory that says there isn't much that can be done to remedy the ills of this nation until the overwhelming influence of huge sums of money can be reined in.
We point to the ACA as a great victory, which it is, but lobbyists with huge amounts of money to spend on behalf of the Health Care (?) Indu$try and Big Pharma made it all but impossible to achieve even with Democratic control of the government in place. One of the biggest reforms proposed, the public option, was killed by Democratic legislators (including the odious Joel Lieberman). If the deal had not been sweetened by concessions to the special interests it never would have passed.
How could this be? It could be because huge amounts of money was available to beat the reformers back. This is considered to be the way government works; compromise is necessary. Well, compromise is necessary. A corporate buyout is not.
People are not stupid. At the moment there is a widespread, if diffuse, feeling among US voters that we have been, and continue to be, royally screwed. The Sanders movement can be justifiably described as saying "we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore?"
This is not the year for conventional politicians mouthing conventional platitudes promising conventional solutions. Secretary Clinton is no worse than most of the politicians who have risen to the top. She has problems, issues, things that just won't go away.
In a conventional year we would most likely be happy to support her. This ain't that year. This year we're going for broke and there is no compromise, no deal the HRC camp can devise, no argument they can put forth, that is going to change that reality. Stand or fall, win or lose, this time it is for all the marbles.
We live in exciting times.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)derailed her coronation? It never was a coronation, she is fighting for every vote.
This ain't that year. - Well, the polls say this year is the right year For Clinton.
We live in exciting times - Agreed
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)If its a pay to play situation, she has no business being the nominee
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Republicans? They aren't part of our primary.
Hillary is asking Democrats to trust her and hire her to represent us. We deserve to know what was said for all that money, especially after Hillary has claimed ad nauseum that she told Wall Street to "cut it out", and that she'll go after them.
If she releases the transcripts and they're innocuous, I might feel a whole lot better about her.
But I guess it doesn't matter what I or any other Democrat wants. We aren't her cash cow.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)then you will want her to release something else and it will never end. Hillary knows that. It's double standard.
think
(11,641 posts)for her to give a few speeches pretty much says they trust her to be in their corner. Bankers aren't stupid. They know what they paid for.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)If those speeches are fluff that don't involve praising the banks and putting blame on the citizens, then I'll be satisfied. It's important to me.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And they are guilty of doing the same thing.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)...by corporate donations. And they're proud of it. Excuse us for thinking corporate influence on the political process is a bad thing.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Someone makes an obscene amount of Mooney for some speeches to corporations and big bankers shortly before running for president?
And you don;t think people might be a little bit curious as to what she said? Was she currying favor?
And if they were innocuous, why not just release it and get it behind her?
napi21
(45,806 posts)The Pubs don't care because they already play that game and it's no big deal for them.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)haven't seen them yet. I really wonder if his discussions have influenced his voting.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)how honest of you.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Let's be serious here.
jillan
(39,451 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)They don't care if she is as well but we sure the hell do!! At least some of here care.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)most in the outside world do not care. They know what this is about.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)People don't think they owe anybody.
dchill
(38,505 posts)Keeping your powder dry.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)JudyM
(29,251 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)I see similarities...
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)she really really fucking doesn't want us to hear and is now a coward.
And if you see it any different I think you are fucking lying.
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wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)and need a few quick Wall Street millions$ for a few hours of speeches. I doubt if there is a copyright issue.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)are asking for something about a Democratic candidate when her opponents don't give a shit about it.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Let me know what you find out.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)PACs or advocate for a living $15/hour wage. The transcripts are issue no. 1,000 that Hillary and the Republicans agree about.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)I doubt that those speeches were given to rooms filled with liberal Democrats.
Jackilope
(819 posts)by them.
The public has bailed them out. They OWN and influence politicians. Not releasing her transcripts does NOT bode well for her honesty or claim she isn't influenced by Corporate money.
With GOP it is a given that they like to do corporate bidding. Bernie isn't for sale. Hillary ' s assurances to voting public are hollow.
oasis
(49,389 posts)come up with something they can manufacture into a "Romney 47%" moment.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)I want to know if I've been lied to - Dont you?
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)She has been on the right side of history for over 30 years. And after Bernie loses the Democratic nomination, he will soon give paid speeches because he will be in big demand, period.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Why the hell should I (or anyone) just BELIEVE.....
talk about Unicorns...
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)JustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHer
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)>nafta/TPP
>welfare reform
>superpredators
>ssm/doma (yes Bernie was late too on SSM but he didn't say that marriage was a sacred bond between man and woman)
>Iraq
>cluster bombs
>right side of history
Honestly, I'm new here but I'm already noticing that Hillary supporters generally (with few exceptions) refuse to engage on her record or try to defend it because it's really hard to defend her record as "progressive", unless you're comparing it to the GOP clown car.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)But his flaws aren't nearly as problematic or systemic as Hillary.
Bernie is weak on a few issues like guns (at least relatively weak given his D- rating from the NRA) and he has sometimes been not as responsive to the needs of POC as one would like, and his vote on the Crime Bill is disappointing but understandable given that he expressed serious misgivings about the provisions that would lead to mass incarceration and eventually voted to implement the other stuff like VAWA that was in the omnibus bill.
But:
Bernie didn't call young black people superpredators while helping to rebuild Jim Crow, or support massively increasing child poverty to the point that she's persona non grata with her former boss at the Children's Defense Fund.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)he's had my back 99% of the time, his entire career.
I cannot say that about Hillary, Bill, or Obama.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)If Clinton releases hers, they will have to release theirs, and you better believe they say some weird shit when they speak to some of the more "interesting" groups. They don't want voters to know they praised Hitler, advocated shooting Mexicans at the border, or whatever else happened to tumble out of their mouths.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)We're eating our own just fine.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Republicans don't need to do a thing. Hillary created this scandal all on her own when she took $21 million from lobbyists, bankers, and other special interests in the past two years. It's a stinking disaster that a Democratic candidate for the presidency, did this right before an election.
Since 2001, the Clintons earned $115 million giving speeches to various special interests. That is unprecedented and never before seen throughout our history. Why couldn't Hillary have at least held off on giving speeches these past two years? She had to know the visual would not be good for her while running for president, and they OBVIOUSLY are not hurting for money.
Again, it all falls under what Bernie said - it's a matter of good judgement and Hillary doesn't have that.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)When a campaign is facing certain defeat, they pull out all the stops.
I don't blame em, politics is politics after all, but it'd be nice if they'd at least be honest about why they're asking.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)lead as Hillary recommends......................
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)At least until the general.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Trump brags at every turn that he's not beholden to banks and lobbyists... that's gonna be a MAJOR issue in the GE.
As will her corruption.
And her lack of transparency.
and her taking money from weapons manufacturers.
And her hiring the owner of one of the largest lobbying firms to chair her campaign and represent her in the media.
Expect to hear about this and this sort of thing a LOT.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Hillary is a lot more like the Republicans than a progressive. you totally figured it out.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)is any good on guns or foreign policy.
If I wanted someone someone strong on gun control I'd not be voting.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)... to a Wall Street shill?
Gee, d'ya think?
Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)So Much For Bernie's Pledge To Run A Clean Non Negative Campaign...
Another Question, Why Is It That Bernie Sanders Has Not Talked About Any Of President Obama's Accomplishments? Not Only Has He Not Gave The President Any Credit, He Actually Claimed Falsely That Sanders Wrote The ACA.
Then Trying Everything He Could To Make President Obama Compete In A Primary Election In 2012, Hell No Bernie Won't Get The Black Vote That's Why He Has Given Up On South Carolina
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)krawhitham
(4,644 posts)Just one former Republican
OR maybe because Republicans don't hide the fact they pander to big banks
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)krawhitham
(4,644 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Are you also a Repug?
I'm sure Trump won't make an issue of them if Hillary wins the Democratic nomination.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)Hillary's "Goldman handcuffs" is a plus for her when it comes to the GOP.