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The Repugs are not asking for Hiilary's transcripts. (Original Post) asuhornets Feb 2016 OP
Because repubs don't believe in transparency (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #1
And u do? n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #4
Of course I do. Do you? (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #6
Clearly not. Kall Feb 2016 #68
I'm still waiting for a response from the OP. bigwillq Feb 2016 #69
yes i believe in transparency..but I don't believe in witch hunts..n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #73
1/2 of Clinton’s 2014 Speaking Fees Came From Groups Also Lobbying Congress kristopher Feb 2016 #87
Think about that. The republicans would rather use them in the General. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #2
Oh I know how it works. asuhornets Feb 2016 #8
On what planet is it smart nt ram2008 Feb 2016 #9
Because if that's all you guys have... asuhornets Feb 2016 #17
The focus on the transcripts is a focus on an overarching theme ram2008 Feb 2016 #22
If there's no smoking gun cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #29
I agree Oilwellian Feb 2016 #94
Yeah let a tempest in a teapot turn into a full blown storm Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #11
That's the problem. That WILL show up in the General and for thenext 4 years in heraings Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #16
Because we want the truth virtualobserver Feb 2016 #3
Winner, winner, chicken dinner! R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #72
Yeah, I don't really believe that. Adrahil Feb 2016 #91
BINGO! ^^^This!^^^ BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #108
"you and your ilk" are afraid of the truth.... virtualobserver Feb 2016 #118
They probably already have them. CincyDem Feb 2016 #5
Why is she asking for transcripts from the GOP? Politicalboi Feb 2016 #7
B/c I'd like to learn what to say that will earn me 5Gs per minute. tk2kewl Feb 2016 #10
Because they are hoping to find something to sink her with. Lucinda Feb 2016 #12
I hope she does too. TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #24
n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #32
Well, there's still that small issue that won't go away Oilwellian Feb 2016 #97
You can bet your bippy that the republiCONs will madokie Feb 2016 #13
Are you serious? ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #14
When it comes to transparency... asuhornets Feb 2016 #21
When has that ever stopped them? daleanime Feb 2016 #34
Neither does Hillary. 840high Feb 2016 #36
And no one will care? asuhornets Feb 2016 #38
cute, but very, very wrong. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #78
Look.. asuhornets Feb 2016 #80
golden handcuffs ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #81
Your words: asuhornets Feb 2016 #82
time for ignore. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #88
Plz do..n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #89
Not that many people care about any of this, yet mikehiggins Feb 2016 #109
I agree with u on some points, but not others.. asuhornets Feb 2016 #110
It should be pretty obvious why some people want them. LonePirate Feb 2016 #15
Yes AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #23
Yeah, an experienced political power player with eyes on the WH is going to engage in that activity. LonePirate Feb 2016 #30
Then she should have nothing to hide AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #33
To clear things up. Hillary herself has muddied the water. Avalux Feb 2016 #18
If she releases them.. asuhornets Feb 2016 #28
The transcripts aren't all that important. The fact that bankers are willing to pay millions think Feb 2016 #43
Nope. Not true. Avalux Feb 2016 #47
Because they believe corruption is acceptable AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #19
Republicans are owned... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #20
You really have to ask? Armstead Feb 2016 #25
Bernie's asking for them to substatiate his claim of favors for money claim. napi21 Feb 2016 #26
I have ask for the transcripts of Sanders meetings with lobbyists and his fund raising, Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #27
Because we would like to know what's worth of much money..... daleanime Feb 2016 #31
She's a CLINTON..deal with it...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #41
Oh my..... daleanime Feb 2016 #59
The GOP is not going to release anything if she is 1st gwheezie Feb 2016 #35
The Repugs are not asking for Hillary's transcripts..... YET. jillan Feb 2016 #37
With all the skeletons in the GOP closet..no one cares what they ask for...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #39
Because, the Republicans are bought and paid for and everybody knows it. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #40
Yea SOME care, but.... asuhornets Feb 2016 #44
Actually, an awful lot do which why both Bernie and Trump are doing so well. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #48
+1 azmom Feb 2016 #76
It's called ... dchill Feb 2016 #42
No it's called she's a Clinton and she is leading in the polls. n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #46
It's not just democrats here at DU monicaangela Feb 2016 #45
Central to her campaign assertions about not being soft on them. JudyM Feb 2016 #49
Because we are more astute than they are. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #50
Really?.... asuhornets Feb 2016 #53
All I see is Clinton got paid millions to stroke the egos of Wall Street, said a lot of shit... Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author asuhornets Feb 2016 #75
Still waiting to see some evidence of that. wildeyed Feb 2016 #79
They will if they run out of money Impedimentus Feb 2016 #51
I don't give a FUCK what republicans do or don't do. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #52
Well I give FUCK, when Democrats asuhornets Feb 2016 #54
So you're wondering why Sanders supporters don't do what republicans do. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #57
Actually you are DOING what they do....n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #61
Did you forget what your OP was about? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #62
Because they also prefer Wall Street over Main Street. They also don't prorest Citizens United or Vote2016 Feb 2016 #56
They probably have them tazkcmo Feb 2016 #58
Because Hillary says she isn't beholden to them, but won't disclose what she was paid for Jackilope Feb 2016 #60
Grasping, hoping her enemies cherry pick through them and oasis Feb 2016 #63
Absolutely...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #64
Because they are witch hunting. n/t Lil Missy Feb 2016 #65
Exactly....n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #66
I want to know if she sold me out - Don't you? Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #67
Hillary did not sell anyone out... asuhornets Feb 2016 #70
BS. Traingulation is cheap. Zero Trust Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #71
JustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHer R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #74
"right side of history" forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #85
But you find it easy to defend Bernie's record?...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #86
Bernie is flawed on some issues forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #96
Flawed yes, but no on is perfect. BUT Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #119
Point forjusticethunders ! Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #120
Pretty obvious. HassleCat Feb 2016 #77
Repugnants don't need to do anything. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #83
Agreed...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #84
You're right Oilwellian Feb 2016 #98
They are asking because they are out of idea to campaign on Tarc Feb 2016 #90
We all should follow the Repugs UglyGreed Feb 2016 #92
They will if she is the nominee. mmonk Feb 2016 #93
I'm not taking my lead from republicans. I want to know the truth. Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #95
They disdain transparency, too. Orsino Feb 2016 #99
They dont want them unless it is to copy for their own speeches. libtodeath Feb 2016 #100
This is a bogus issue that will not be raised in the general election Gothmog Feb 2016 #101
I agree...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #103
are you kidding??? EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #105
Time will tell but I really doubt that Trump will be bringing this up Gothmog Feb 2016 #121
You're right EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #102
Bernie is more like Republicans on gun issues...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #104
Neither Democratic candidate EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #106
Er, perhaps because we don't want to devote our time and energy... RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #107
Plain & Simple The Sanders Team Are Looking For A Way To Bring Her Down... Corey_Baker08 Feb 2016 #111
i agre asuhornets Feb 2016 #112
maybe because no Republican is running to be the Democratic nominee? krawhitham Feb 2016 #113
Actually there's only one Democrat in the race...Hillary..n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #115
dino n/t krawhitham Feb 2016 #116
Why aren't you asking for them? BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #114
Because we don't love the banksters as much as the Republicans do. Vinca Feb 2016 #117
 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
69. I'm still waiting for a response from the OP.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:58 PM
Feb 2016

I answered the OP's question. OP should answer mine. Actually, I answered two: The original one and the one to my reply.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
87. 1/2 of Clinton’s 2014 Speaking Fees Came From Groups Also Lobbying Congress
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016
Half of Hillary Clinton’s Speaking Fees Came From Groups Also Lobbying Congress
Philip Elliott

Groups with giant lobbying budgets gave Clinton big speaking fees ahead of 2016 presidential campaign

Almost half of the money from Hillary Clinton’s speaking engagements came from corporations and advocacy groups that were lobbying Congress at the same time.

The Democratic presidential candidate earned $10.2 million in 2014, her first full calendar year after leaving the State Department. Of that, $4.6 million came from groups that also spent on lobbying Congress that year, according to data compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics....

...Asked Tuesday if there were conflicts of interest in speaking to these groups, Clinton was curt with reporters in Cedar Falls, Iowa. “No,” she said.

“Obviously, Bill and I have been blessed and we’re very grateful for the opportunities that we had...

http://time.com/3889577/hillary-clinton-paid-speeches-lobbyists-influence/

Great chart at article
http://time.com/3889577/hillary-clinton-paid-speeches-lobbyists-influence/

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
8. Oh I know how it works.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016

Her answer for not releasing is a very smart answer. I hope she don't release anything.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
17. Because if that's all you guys have...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:18 PM
Feb 2016

then you have nothing. And you know it. She wants you all to focus on the transcripts because she knows there is no smoking gun in the transcripts. Let you focus on that while she wins state by state.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
22. The focus on the transcripts is a focus on an overarching theme
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

Mainly one of Hillary being bought and paid for and a manipulative, untruthful liar.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
29. If there's no smoking gun
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016

then why not release them?

Why wait for them to come out? I've heard rumors that a reporter has at least one of the transcripts. Why wait for the shoe to drop?

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
94. I agree
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:13 PM
Feb 2016

The bigger scandal is the $21 million she received from lobbyists and bankers between 2013-2015.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
11. Yeah let a tempest in a teapot turn into a full blown storm
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:15 PM
Feb 2016

smart play by Hillary....unless of course releasing them is worse...

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
16. That's the problem. That WILL show up in the General and for thenext 4 years in heraings
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:18 PM
Feb 2016

if we are damned enough that she gets that far

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
91. Yeah, I don't really believe that.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:11 PM
Feb 2016

I think you and your ilk are hoping to for the media narrative to be focused on those speeches. No matter WHAT they say, I doubt you would consider voting for her.

The moral high horse is impressive and all, but ultimately, it's a lie, IMO.

I think there is no up side for her to release anything.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
118. "you and your ilk" are afraid of the truth....
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016

no moral high horse here....we just know when we are being played.

CincyDem

(6,363 posts)
5. They probably already have them.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:13 PM
Feb 2016


Why release them now when it will be so much more fun to drop them in early September ?

They'll show up from somewhere and unfortunately, her decision to stonewall this likely puts the control in the opposition's hands.
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
7. Why is she asking for transcripts from the GOP?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016

Right now, this race is between her and Bernie. Bernie has nothing to hide. But Hillary like the GOP don't want their transcripts out in the open. That's why they're not asking her.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
12. Because they are hoping to find something to sink her with.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

Which will likely backfire in splendid fashion should she release them. I hope she does!

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
24. I hope she does too.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:22 PM
Feb 2016

Clear the air instead of constantly dodging the issue. If she has transcripts that are squeaky clean, then it benefits her to release them.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
97. Well, there's still that small issue that won't go away
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:30 PM
Feb 2016

and that is her taking $21 million from lobbyists and bankers during the past two years.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
13. You can bet your bippy that the republiCONs will
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie asked for one not sure if he asked for all or not.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
14. Are you serious?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

Have you given even half a thought of what she will face on that issue before November?
Forget what we seek. The GOP will stomp on her non-stop on that issue. They will paint her as a paid Golden Handcuffed drone for Wall and paint themselves as helping the little guy.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
78. cute, but very, very wrong.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:44 AM
Feb 2016

Why do you Hillary supporters always ignore an unpleasant fact and try to change the conversation to the GOP?
Why? Why not just address the issue being raised?

Is that something that is taught?

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
80. Look..
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:10 AM
Feb 2016

No cares about those emails or transcripts, only the media for talking points and Bernie supporters who are looking for damning info. Hillary is accustomed to all this nonsense. You and the rest of the Bernie supporters are always talking about no one trust her, if that's the case then why is she winning. People do trust her and we know a witch hunt when we see it.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
81. golden handcuffs
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:18 AM
Feb 2016

A series of Bosnia lies
Horrific recommendations for Libya
Worse recommendations and staffing for Ukraine.

Should I go on? The list is quite long.
And many of us DO CARE about the transcripts and the emails. You folks just want us to turn off our brains and join your side. Sorry, we won't do that blindly.

besides, (which I doubt), if there is nothing there, this type of pressure makes her a better candidate against Trump. And I suspect she will need all the help she can get.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
82. Your words:
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:34 AM
Feb 2016

"You folks just want us to turn off our brains and join your side. Sorry, we won't do that blindly."-that's what you want Hillary's supporters to do to switch to Bernie, that's why all the bad info on Hillary. You can not say she is not qualified.

Your words: "this type of pressure makes her a better candidate against Trump." - to me that's an excuse to say all these bad things about her. The other side has been dogging her out for 25 years. She handle it.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
109. Not that many people care about any of this, yet
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:54 PM
Feb 2016

DU is a tiny little spot on the political unconsciousness of the general population. We care about issues like this, and others, because we care about politics. Most people, like the PTB want them to, don't really give much thought to this kind of stuff.

That is why, for example, it is important for Sanders to keep repeating his message time after boring time (its okay, he said the same thing at the open house on CNN). Many of us can answer his rhetorical questions during the speech like fans do watching the Rocky Horror movie.

What the political masterminds, and especially HRC and her campaign, have to be concerned with is how this balding old Jew from Burlington/Brooklyn has managed to build a national movement that has derailed her coronation. Certainly, the pros think she's still going to take the gold ring BUT...

This was not supposed to happen to the anointed victor of a DNC rigged primary. After all, HRC is favored by large blocs of regular Dems, and she is the first woman to mount a legitimate campaign for the Presidency and, finally, it is her turn.

Only problem is those pesky voters who say enough is enough.

Sanders has a basic theory as to what is behind a lot of the problems this country faces. It is a unifying theory that says there isn't much that can be done to remedy the ills of this nation until the overwhelming influence of huge sums of money can be reined in.

We point to the ACA as a great victory, which it is, but lobbyists with huge amounts of money to spend on behalf of the Health Care (?) Indu$try and Big Pharma made it all but impossible to achieve even with Democratic control of the government in place. One of the biggest reforms proposed, the public option, was killed by Democratic legislators (including the odious Joel Lieberman). If the deal had not been sweetened by concessions to the special interests it never would have passed.

How could this be? It could be because huge amounts of money was available to beat the reformers back. This is considered to be the way government works; compromise is necessary. Well, compromise is necessary. A corporate buyout is not.

People are not stupid. At the moment there is a widespread, if diffuse, feeling among US voters that we have been, and continue to be, royally screwed. The Sanders movement can be justifiably described as saying "we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore?"

This is not the year for conventional politicians mouthing conventional platitudes promising conventional solutions. Secretary Clinton is no worse than most of the politicians who have risen to the top. She has problems, issues, things that just won't go away.

In a conventional year we would most likely be happy to support her. This ain't that year. This year we're going for broke and there is no compromise, no deal the HRC camp can devise, no argument they can put forth, that is going to change that reality. Stand or fall, win or lose, this time it is for all the marbles.

We live in exciting times.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
110. I agree with u on some points, but not others..
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:01 PM
Feb 2016

derailed her coronation? It never was a coronation, she is fighting for every vote.
This ain't that year. - Well, the polls say this year is the right year For Clinton.
We live in exciting times - Agreed

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
18. To clear things up. Hillary herself has muddied the water.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:19 PM
Feb 2016

Republicans? They aren't part of our primary.

Hillary is asking Democrats to trust her and hire her to represent us. We deserve to know what was said for all that money, especially after Hillary has claimed ad nauseum that she told Wall Street to "cut it out", and that she'll go after them.

If she releases the transcripts and they're innocuous, I might feel a whole lot better about her.

But I guess it doesn't matter what I or any other Democrat wants. We aren't her cash cow.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
28. If she releases them..
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:24 PM
Feb 2016

then you will want her to release something else and it will never end. Hillary knows that. It's double standard.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
43. The transcripts aren't all that important. The fact that bankers are willing to pay millions
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

for her to give a few speeches pretty much says they trust her to be in their corner. Bankers aren't stupid. They know what they paid for.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
47. Nope. Not true.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

If those speeches are fluff that don't involve praising the banks and putting blame on the citizens, then I'll be satisfied. It's important to me.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
20. Republicans are owned...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:19 PM
Feb 2016

...by corporate donations. And they're proud of it. Excuse us for thinking corporate influence on the political process is a bad thing.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
25. You really have to ask?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:22 PM
Feb 2016

Someone makes an obscene amount of Mooney for some speeches to corporations and big bankers shortly before running for president?

And you don;t think people might be a little bit curious as to what she said? Was she currying favor?

And if they were innocuous, why not just release it and get it behind her?

napi21

(45,806 posts)
26. Bernie's asking for them to substatiate his claim of favors for money claim.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:24 PM
Feb 2016

The Pubs don't care because they already play that game and it's no big deal for them.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
27. I have ask for the transcripts of Sanders meetings with lobbyists and his fund raising,
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:24 PM
Feb 2016

haven't seen them yet. I really wonder if his discussions have influenced his voting.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
40. Because, the Republicans are bought and paid for and everybody knows it.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

They don't care if she is as well but we sure the hell do!! At least some of here care.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
48. Actually, an awful lot do which why both Bernie and Trump are doing so well.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

People don't think they owe anybody.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
55. All I see is Clinton got paid millions to stroke the egos of Wall Street, said a lot of shit...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016

she really really fucking doesn't want us to hear and is now a coward.

And if you see it any different I think you are fucking lying.

Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #55)

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
51. They will if they run out of money
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016

and need a few quick Wall Street millions$ for a few hours of speeches. I doubt if there is a copyright issue.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
54. Well I give FUCK, when Democrats
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:38 PM
Feb 2016

are asking for something about a Democratic candidate when her opponents don't give a shit about it.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
57. So you're wondering why Sanders supporters don't do what republicans do.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

Let me know what you find out.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
56. Because they also prefer Wall Street over Main Street. They also don't prorest Citizens United or
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

PACs or advocate for a living $15/hour wage. The transcripts are issue no. 1,000 that Hillary and the Republicans agree about.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
58. They probably have them
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:43 PM
Feb 2016

I doubt that those speeches were given to rooms filled with liberal Democrats.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
60. Because Hillary says she isn't beholden to them, but won't disclose what she was paid for
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:44 PM
Feb 2016

by them.

The public has bailed them out. They OWN and influence politicians. Not releasing her transcripts does NOT bode well for her honesty or claim she isn't influenced by Corporate money.

With GOP it is a given that they like to do corporate bidding. Bernie isn't for sale. Hillary ' s assurances to voting public are hollow.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
63. Grasping, hoping her enemies cherry pick through them and
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:50 PM
Feb 2016

come up with something they can manufacture into a "Romney 47%" moment.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
70. Hillary did not sell anyone out...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

She has been on the right side of history for over 30 years. And after Bernie loses the Democratic nomination, he will soon give paid speeches because he will be in big demand, period.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
71. BS. Traingulation is cheap. Zero Trust
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016

Why the hell should I (or anyone) just BELIEVE.....

talk about Unicorns...

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
74. JustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHer
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:17 AM
Feb 2016

JustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHerJustTrustHer

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
85. "right side of history"
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:57 AM
Feb 2016

>nafta/TPP
>welfare reform
>superpredators
>ssm/doma (yes Bernie was late too on SSM but he didn't say that marriage was a sacred bond between man and woman)
>Iraq
>cluster bombs
>right side of history

Honestly, I'm new here but I'm already noticing that Hillary supporters generally (with few exceptions) refuse to engage on her record or try to defend it because it's really hard to defend her record as "progressive", unless you're comparing it to the GOP clown car.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
96. Bernie is flawed on some issues
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:18 PM
Feb 2016

But his flaws aren't nearly as problematic or systemic as Hillary.

Bernie is weak on a few issues like guns (at least relatively weak given his D- rating from the NRA) and he has sometimes been not as responsive to the needs of POC as one would like, and his vote on the Crime Bill is disappointing but understandable given that he expressed serious misgivings about the provisions that would lead to mass incarceration and eventually voted to implement the other stuff like VAWA that was in the omnibus bill.

But:

Bernie didn't call young black people superpredators while helping to rebuild Jim Crow, or support massively increasing child poverty to the point that she's persona non grata with her former boss at the Children's Defense Fund.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
119. Flawed yes, but no on is perfect. BUT
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

he's had my back 99% of the time, his entire career.

I cannot say that about Hillary, Bill, or Obama.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
77. Pretty obvious.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:33 AM
Feb 2016

If Clinton releases hers, they will have to release theirs, and you better believe they say some weird shit when they speak to some of the more "interesting" groups. They don't want voters to know they praised Hitler, advocated shooting Mexicans at the border, or whatever else happened to tumble out of their mouths.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
98. You're right
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:57 PM
Feb 2016

Republicans don't need to do a thing. Hillary created this scandal all on her own when she took $21 million from lobbyists, bankers, and other special interests in the past two years. It's a stinking disaster that a Democratic candidate for the presidency, did this right before an election.

Since 2001, the Clintons earned $115 million giving speeches to various special interests. That is unprecedented and never before seen throughout our history. Why couldn't Hillary have at least held off on giving speeches these past two years? She had to know the visual would not be good for her while running for president, and they OBVIOUSLY are not hurting for money.

Again, it all falls under what Bernie said - it's a matter of good judgement and Hillary doesn't have that.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
90. They are asking because they are out of idea to campaign on
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:08 PM
Feb 2016

When a campaign is facing certain defeat, they pull out all the stops.

I don't blame em, politics is politics after all, but it'd be nice if they'd at least be honest about why they're asking.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
105. are you kidding???
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:34 PM
Feb 2016

Trump brags at every turn that he's not beholden to banks and lobbyists... that's gonna be a MAJOR issue in the GE.

As will her corruption.

And her lack of transparency.

and her taking money from weapons manufacturers.

And her hiring the owner of one of the largest lobbying firms to chair her campaign and represent her in the media.

Expect to hear about this and this sort of thing a LOT.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
106. Neither Democratic candidate
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:35 PM
Feb 2016

is any good on guns or foreign policy.

If I wanted someone someone strong on gun control I'd not be voting.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
107. Er, perhaps because we don't want to devote our time and energy...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:35 PM
Feb 2016

... to a Wall Street shill?

Gee, d'ya think?

Corey_Baker08

(2,157 posts)
111. Plain & Simple The Sanders Team Are Looking For A Way To Bring Her Down...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:09 PM
Feb 2016

So Much For Bernie's Pledge To Run A Clean Non Negative Campaign...

Another Question, Why Is It That Bernie Sanders Has Not Talked About Any Of President Obama's Accomplishments? Not Only Has He Not Gave The President Any Credit, He Actually Claimed Falsely That Sanders Wrote The ACA.

Then Trying Everything He Could To Make President Obama Compete In A Primary Election In 2012, Hell No Bernie Won't Get The Black Vote That's Why He Has Given Up On South Carolina

krawhitham

(4,644 posts)
113. maybe because no Republican is running to be the Democratic nominee?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

Just one former Republican

OR maybe because Republicans don't hide the fact they pander to big banks

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
114. Why aren't you asking for them?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

Are you also a Repug?

I'm sure Trump won't make an issue of them if Hillary wins the Democratic nomination.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
117. Because we don't love the banksters as much as the Republicans do.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary's "Goldman handcuffs" is a plus for her when it comes to the GOP.

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