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gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:54 PM Feb 2016

I won't do it unless everyone else does it first? Wow she actually said that?

What kind of leadership quality does that show? Hillary is not a leader she is a typical 3rd rate slimeball lawyer who would be defending small time two-bit crooks in downtown Detroit if it wasn't for her husbands coat tails.

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I won't do it unless everyone else does it first? Wow she actually said that? (Original Post) gyroscope Feb 2016 OP
Why should she have to do something no one else does? And she has said this from the beginning. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #1
This is the Democratic Party primary... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #2
She has made it clear that she will not be bullied into something that everyone else doesn't comply Lucinda Feb 2016 #7
Bernie did comply and Bernie is the person she is currently running against. Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #23
Mika Bryzynski, "Print Reporters Have Transcripts!" CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #33
The person she is running against already released his gyroscope Feb 2016 #4
No she didn't dsc Feb 2016 #5
Except Sanders already released his gyroscope Feb 2016 #6
why the double standard for the female candidate? dsc Feb 2016 #9
Wall Street donations are a major campaign issue, has nothing to do with gender ram2008 Feb 2016 #15
No it's standard for someone who made a huge amount of money for some speeches shortly... Armstead Feb 2016 #16
really dsc Feb 2016 #24
They arent running in the Democratic primary AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #30
Trump is transparently corrupt. He is who he is. Armstead Feb 2016 #32
I'm amazed at how quickly the sexism defense was employed. arcane1 Feb 2016 #31
What bizarro nonsense are you on about now? gyroscope Feb 2016 #17
Sanders did it. That's who she is running against right now. arcane1 Feb 2016 #26
Leadership: She has it. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #3
Bet Trump will release his if he has ever made a paid speech. nt Purveyor Feb 2016 #8
So at last made it clear that she will not release sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #10
I don't expect to agree with anything a repub said in a paid speech to wall st dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #11
Please, lead the way. After you, my good man. See. Good manners. She has them. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #12
By not giving in to biased demands, yes, that is leadership. Tarc Feb 2016 #13
At the moment... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #20
0 fucks given Tarc Feb 2016 #22
Camp Sanders, you mean the people... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #27
No, she has been asked about this as a sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #25
In the post mortems, the CNN analysis of that was pretty cold to her logic Babel_17 Feb 2016 #14
Smart. It's a fabulous weapon against Trump. nolabear Feb 2016 #18
I think you meant to say it's a fabulous weapon FOR Trump. winter is coming Feb 2016 #34
Her lack of transparency was clear w/ use of a private server. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #19
Good atrategery for the ge gwheezie Feb 2016 #21
She is special you know. Show me yours first. Then she runs away. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #28
"Slick Hillary" Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #29

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
2. This is the Democratic Party primary...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:58 PM
Feb 2016

...this is part of her record and something that she apparently, vehemently, does not want to release. It raises questions and voters need to know who they're voting for. Sander's released his, now it's her turn (sound familiar?).

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
7. She has made it clear that she will not be bullied into something that everyone else doesn't comply
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:03 PM
Feb 2016

with. And she is right to speak up for herself about it. That said, I think she will release when she feels it will provide the best boost.
She is amazing in those small group talks, and it will get her a lot of good publicity.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
4. The person she is running against already released his
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:00 PM
Feb 2016

she is not running against the republicans. She said she would release them after Sanders did.

Sanders released his transcripts why doesn't Clinton do the same?
Because she's a typical lying slimebag lawyer that gives lawyers a bad name.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
5. No she didn't
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016

She has repeatedly stated she would release hers only when all the candidates released theirs and frankly I get her position on one level.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
15. Wall Street donations are a major campaign issue, has nothing to do with gender
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:18 PM
Feb 2016

Wall Street donors are a major campaign issue for Democrats.

She claims to be a champion for the American people but has also given multi-hundred thousand dollar speeches to bank. Clear conflict of interest.

How do you resolve that conflict of interest? By showing people where you stand by releasing what you actually said to them-- you know, showing the record.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
16. No it's standard for someone who made a huge amount of money for some speeches shortly...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:19 PM
Feb 2016

before running for president.

A man should be expected to adhere to the same standard.

And if there was nothing to hide in the speeches, why not just release them? If they were innocuous she could made it all go away by simply putting them out there when it was raised. She couold have had the added advantage of embarassing Bernie iof she did.

But noooooooooo...

Has nothing to do with gender.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
24. really
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

Trump this time, and Guiliani in 2008 both ran after making such speeches and I have heard 0, count them 0, people ask for them to release theirs. Kasich literally worked for Lehman, while Cruz' wife worked for Citibank, and yet again, we haven't seen anything about their financials given over.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
32. Trump is transparently corrupt. He is who he is.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:52 PM
Feb 2016

He is so blatant and is covered by Teflon that NO one can match (so far anyway).

Same with Guilliani....Who never went far enough in the primaries to worry about it anyway.

Hillary is a Democrat, and she is a frontrunner in a race where ties to Big Bidness is an issue. And she claims to be better than them. This is an easy thing to defuse if there's no "there" there in the transcripts.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
17. What bizarro nonsense are you on about now?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

ladies and gentleman we have just entered the Twilight Zone of Hillarity World

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
10. So at last made it clear that she will not release
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:11 PM
Feb 2016

the transcripts, because everyone knows that the
repugs won't. Funny in a way, because right now
we are in a primary, not a GE. It had to be expected though.

BTW, did everyone notice that she came back to
"I will try", I want to do this", the "we" is gone again.

dragonfly301

(399 posts)
11. I don't expect to agree with anything a repub said in a paid speech to wall st
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016

However if the dem nominee is repeatedly getting paid $$$$$ by wall st and health care/big pharma firms, I sure as hell would like to know if what she's telling them, matches what she's telling the voters. This has nothing to do with double standards and as a woman, I find it offensive that some are using that as an excuse for not releasing. If there's nothing to hide - hide nothing.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
13. By not giving in to biased demands, yes, that is leadership.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton is being held to a higher standards than every other candidate.

She told them to go pound sand.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
20. At the moment...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:26 PM
Feb 2016

...there are two candidates. One already released theirs, the other hasn't. No bias there...

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
22. 0 fucks given
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

It's only an issue for Camp Sanders, not an issue for the rest, i.e. the majority of voters. She gains nothing by releasing anything now.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
27. Camp Sanders, you mean the people...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

...she'd absolutely need to vote for her in the GE to have any chance of winning? The people who rate honesty and integrity near the top of their priority list?

She's not doing herself any favors by holding them back. You can continue to give 0 fucks if you like...but just remember you will need that camp later on.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
25. No, she has been asked about this as a
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

democratic candidate. and she evades this just
during a PRIMARY!

I cannot find that leadership, I call it the act of
a coward.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
14. In the post mortems, the CNN analysis of that was pretty cold to her logic
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

And bear in mind they were the hosts. Knives are being sharpened for the meal her statement presents.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
34. I think you meant to say it's a fabulous weapon FOR Trump.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:41 AM
Feb 2016

He's said all sorts of crazy and offensive shit. He's not going to care if people know what he's said to Wall Street.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
19. Her lack of transparency was clear w/ use of a private server.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

She was able to duck FOIA requests for over 2 years. This refusal to be transparent w/ the American people is business as usual for her and a harbinger of how she'd conduct herself as president. Voters beware.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
21. Good atrategery for the ge
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:26 PM
Feb 2016

Force whoever the GOP nominee is to release every damn paid anything they did for lobbyist and if it's trump, he says he bought politicians, let's see who he handed money to.

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