Why doesn't Bernie publicly denounce Marxism?

[youceyec]

once and for all? Isn't it about time? Just to ease lingering questions? Sorta like lingering questions that might be eased if Hillary released her transcripts?

[daleanime]

1. So when did you stop beating your wife?

Google it.

[MrMickeysMom]

13. Damn!

That's what I would have said!

[JonLeibowitz]

2. Has Hillary publicly denounced Leninism? Are you sure? Can you provide a link?

[cantbeserious]

3. What - Pray Tell - Does Marxism Have To Do With - This Election

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[JackRiddler]

35. Given the continuing proletarian/precaritization...

and the never-ending crises of capitalism, I'd say a heck of a lot.

[cantbeserious]

49. Well Jack Riddle - This Citizen Has No Clue What Was Just Said

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[JackRiddler]

50. You might start here

https://www.marxists.org/

[cantbeserious]

53. Why - Bernie Is Not A Marxist

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[JackRiddler]

54. Didn't say that he was, but that doesn't make

the kind of thinking that is characterized as "Marxist" (whether it is or not) irrelevant.

[cantbeserious]

57. So - Jack Riddler - One Is Saying That You Are A Marxist

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[JackRiddler]

61. I guess I'm at my most Marxist...

when idiots go around red-baiting. It's important to do that, given the history of anti-communist outrages in this country.

Otherwise he's a political philosopher worth reading, among several or many. Much of what's attributed to his tradition happens to apply, today as dramatically as ever.

[cantbeserious]

64. Got It - Thank You For Clarifying - Agreed - Marx Is Worth Reading

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[cascadiance]

56. When will Hillary denounce the Stalin funded Kochs who funded and help build their DLC?

Same difference in terms of relevance to this election, and something where these relationships can be more demonstrably established.

[JackRiddler]

59. Oh, I'd say that was much more relevant...

Except she is denouncing the Kochs, that's an acceptable attack on billionaires in DNC Land.

[cascadiance]

63. I guess speak for the DLC in denouncing their past ties to the Stalin/Koch gang! :)

[dimple]

69. The Koch family got money from Stalin?

What?

[noamnety]

73. fun stuff!

wikipedia:

"Between 1929 and 1932 Winkler-Koch "trained Bolshevik engineers and helped Stalin’s regime set up fifteen modern oil refineries" in the Soviet Union. "Over time, however, Stalin brutally purged several of Koch’s Soviet colleagues. Koch was deeply affected by the experience, and regretted his collaboration." The company also built installations in countries throughout Europe, the Middle East and Asia. According to New Yorker writer Jane Mayer, Koch partnered with William Rhodes Davis to build the third-largest oil refinery serving the Third Reich, a project which was personally approved by Adolf Hitler."

...In 1958, Koch became a founding member of the John Birch Society, an American political advocacy group that opposes communist infiltration and supports limited government. Koch held John Birch Society chapter meetings in the basement of his family's home in Wichita, Kansas.

see wikipedia for the references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_C._Koch

[dimple]

79. "Over time, however, Stalin brutally purged several of Koch’s Soviet colleagues."

I wonder what's the backstory about that.

[hobbit709]

81. Over time Stalin brutally purged just about anyone.

[cascadiance]

82. Including anyone close to being "democratic socialists" like Trotsky

... who he also killed off. I see a note in this thread that Bernie studied Trotsky early on.

Soviets had their 1%er versus 99%er battles too in those days, even if they didn't call it that!

[hobbit709]

84. The problem is that most Americans know very little of their own real history

Much less the history of most of the rest of the world.
And even less about political philosophy.

[cascadiance]

88. Yep, ask them about who Smedley Butler is, and most won't know who he is...

... and how those banksters such as J.P. Morgan should have been arrested and perhaps executed for treason, let alone the bank fraud their descendants weren't prosecuted for today! I guess in that sense Obama was carrying on the tradition of a more lax DOJ that FDR had in those days too.

[hobbit709]

90. Only 19 people were awarded TWO of these. He was one of them.

[Motown_Johnny]

4. Because it is not part of the conversation. n/t

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

5. When will Hillary finally publicly denounce kitten murder?

I have to wonder how she really feels about it.

[youceyec]

9. In all seriousness,

That is silly. Sanders IS associated with Marxism. Its out there.

[MrMickeysMom]

15. In all seriousness...

Richard Wolf is the self proclaimed Marxist.

So, now tell us how you think this is relevant to Bernie Sanders.

[Impedimentus]

21. "Its(sic) out there."

You forgot the " ' ".

"The truth is out there." FBI Special Agent Maulder, The X-Files.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

46. Really?

I'm sure you have documentation to back up that claim, right?

[Bradical79]

71. But she has been associated with kitten murder since '07!

at least according to the same conservative circles you get your Sanders is a Marxist info from
http://www.nysun.com/new-york/did-hillary-clinton-order-a-kitten-caper/65976/

It'd be nice if she could address those concerns.


Seriously though, don't post idiotic red scare drivel.

[jillan]

6. Oh goody! Another thread on red-baiting.

[Starry Messenger]

7. Why would he denouce Marxism?

You know, this fake Hillary thing you are doing? Isn't convincing.

[MrMickeysMom]

19. Why would you denounce hating secularism?

It's about a real a question as you can answer tonight.

[Starry Messenger]

25. There's no reason to hate Marxism.

The OP is a fisherman.

[MrMickeysMom]

36. Why do you like it?

[Starry Messenger]

48. Because it accurately describes the history of power imbalances in society.

And provides guidance from the history of different social movements and the coalitions they gathered in order to successfully overturn oppression.

That your kitty? Very cute!

[MrMickeysMom]

58. Fair enough...

I'm fishing for another few kitties later this year (after the election), but my avatar is my beloved dearly missed Mr. Mickey, who passed last September.

We're going to get two after all this... I wonder what we'll name them. I'll be thinking...

[NowSam]

8. I do like free water...especially when it is regulated.

Thank you for equating the extremely reasonable proposals for a fair and Just America with Communism.

[MrMickeysMom]

22. PREACH IT!

[NowSam]

32. Can I get an Amen? NT.

[MrMickeysMom]

37. AAAAAAmen!

[NowSam]

51. Thank you.

[John Poet]

10. Why doesn't Hillary publicly denounce right-wing military coups?

'Course, that could get awkward, since she effectively supported one in Honduras.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clintons-six-foreign-policy-catastrophes/5509543

[Wilms]

11. It's his views on Area 51 that I have greater concern about.

Don't you?

[Impedimentus]

12. You don't even know what Marxism is and you obviously haven't read Marx.

What an inane thread. Get yourself an education.

[youceyec]

14. pretty elitist

of you to assume I need education. You can't force me to feel the bern no matter how hot Berine is.

[litlbilly]

26. we can easily put your idiocy on ignore, bye

[Ned_Devine]

39. He may have meant Richard Marx

[whatchamacallit]

92. Lol

Worthy of denouncement.

[tazkcmo]

45. You start a stupid thread

And then think we're trying to force you to "feel the bern"? Speaking strictly for myself, after reading your few posts my only hope is you never participate in any election. Ever. So, no, I don't care if you feel any burn at all although there's plenty of that in this thread but it's a wasted effort on you.

[FSogol]

23. +1. Having a Groucho avatar in this thread is an extra bonus.

Kudos!

[Armstead]

16. Didn't you know. Because he is a Flaming Marxist!

[FSogol]

17. Why hasn't he denounced cannibalism?

Gawd, I swear, DU is getting stranger and stranger.

[Impedimentus]

75. "Why hasn't he denounced cannibalism?"

I suspect the author of this thread is trying to digest your question right now.

Maybe he's even chewing on it?

Or perhaps it's stuck in his craw.

Enough, I'm going to go watch the Hunger Games.

My sincere apologies for posting this utter nonsense, but the author's post gave me indigestion.

[demwing]

18. That club of people who clearly dont read past the headline

just nearly counted me as a new member

[thereismore]

20. Bye little man. nt

[DemocraticWing]

24. The Marxists I know are split on Bernie. They know he isn't one but like him anyway.

But, his form of socialism is not particularly in line with Marxism (he certainly does not believe in exclusively economic determinism).

[Impedimentus]

41. I suspect you are confusing the person who started this thread.

And there is already too much confusion in the original post. Just my opinion

[MrMickeysMom]

27. Why doesn't Hillary publicly denounce lying?

Steven Colbert just punched her during this town hall!

[Warren Stupidity]

28. Why doesn't Hillary Clinton denounce Fascism?

[El Supremo]

30. Oh wow! A soft troll!

You've survived a whole 200 posts.

And yes, I'm for Hillary.

Oh, and get a star if you want me to really pay attention to you.

[hobbit709]

31. Have you renounced idiotic sounding OPs?

[JackRiddler]

33. Thanks for the laugh.

[youceyec]

34. So,

when these questions of character hound Hillary on DU 24/7 its ok but when its on Berine its trolling and someone not worthy of a post?

[hobbit709]

43. When can you tell the difference between actual questions of character about Hillary

and imaginary hallucinations about Bernie?

[JackRiddler]

44. Your fantasies about Marxism do not...

constitute a question of anyone's character but your own.

[Nonhlanhla]

38. Huh?

He's not a Marxist, so why should he?

In any case, Marx was a great philosopher. Why should Marxism be denounced? Shall we also ask candidates to denounce Darwinism or the ideas of Nietzsche or Freud, just so we can make sure that we got all the 19th century Masters of Suspicion covered!

And I say this as a Hillary supporter.

[Impedimentus]

55. I agree with your post

I don't believe we should ask Sanders, Clinton or even Trump to denounce great thinkers or even heresies. Heck, I wouldn't even ask Cruz to denounce Apollinarianism, although it might be amusing to do so during a Republican debate.

[Nonhlanhla]

68. LOL

I'm trying to imagine Cruz's face as he tries to imagine what Apollinarianism is! Most evangelicals are not well versed in ancient Christian heresies!

[mythology]

40. Ugh

This is really silly. Let Sanders focus on discussing his own campaign. He doesn't need to denounce Marxism as it's not what he's campaigning on. He may want to discuss it because there are lots of Americans who don't understand that Marxism isn't a synonym for Socialism, much less for Democratic Socialism, but he doesn't need to denounce your inaccurate conflation.

[noiretextatique]

42. Why should he?

When was the last time you beat your SO?

[HooptieWagon]

47. Sen. McCarthy, the 50s are calling on the red courtesy telephone.

[monicaangela]

52. Question...

Marxism is a philosophy, a world-view, a system of social and economic analysis, and, it became political doctrine. In understanding Marxism it is also important to understand the time in which Marxist ideology developed, which was during the culmination of The Enlightenment, the middle and late 1800s, when America still had slaves, women did not have the right to vote anywhere, women had very few rights at all in most places, the poor were extremely bad off in Europe, imperialism and colonialism were the order of the day, the world truly was dominated by a handful of extremely wealthy men, and science was being more widely embraced by average citizens throughout Western Civilization than ever before.

Marxism is based on philosophical materialism. Philosophical materialism is the view that all things in the universe are natural and follow the laws of nature, i.e. that there is no such thing as the supernatural.

Marx, and his associate Engels, developed a philosophy known as dialectical materialism. Dialectical Materialism is the merger of the ideas of dialectics and materialism and basically states that all things in the universe are material, that evolution is constantly taking place at all levels of existence and in all systems, that defined boundaries are man made concepts which do not actually exist in nature, and that the universe is an interconnected unified entity in which all elements are connected to, and dependant upon, each other. The philosophy holds that science is the only means by which truth can be determined.

Metaphysical materialism states that the mind, or thought, is purely the product of the material composition of the brain. In other words, the physical and chemical makeup of the brain governs thought, nothing else.

Marx also developed the philosophy of historical materialism, which is essentially the application of dialectical materialism to the study of history and sociology. Historical materialism was seen as a scientific approach to understanding history and applying that understanding to present situations.

Now then, my question is: What would you like Bernie to denounce?

[Impedimentus]

62. I fear you have totally confused the author of this thread.

It is one of the more amusing threads to land on DU today however, worth a chuckle.

[monicaangela]

65. I agree...

[Nonhlanhla]

72. Excellent summary

I could have used it in class today when my students and I started reading the Communist Manifesto!

[monicaangela]

80. Thank you Nonhlanhla..

Good to see you here this evening.

[Impedimentus]

85. The entire Marx family thanks you

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. The failure of the American educational system is astounding

why should he denounce what he is not?

By the way this is a form of red baiting.

[Impedimentus]

66. "The failure of the American educational system is astounding"

Sadly, another example of the success of a Republican goal.

[Broward]

67. We've got a live one.

[brooklynite]

70. I'd hate to think he might lose some of his DU support...

[Zorra]

74. That's like, soooo Rush Limbaugh. nt

[BainsBane]

76. If he's a socialist he shouldn't denounce Marxism

Enough has been done to dilute the meaning of socialism in this election.

[dimple]

77. Did you know the CPUSA endorsed Hillary?

[Starry Messenger]

94. No, they have not.

I am CPUSA and the majority of our membership are working for Bernie. Some of us individually are HRC supporters. The CPUSA does not endorse candidates. We endorse issues and strategy and tactics.

[beam me up scottie]

78. And when will he denounce Chairman Meow???

[Ferd Berfel]

83. ONly a moron would think he needs to

[Dr. Strange]

86. Interesting point.

Come to think of it, he's never publicly denounced the prevent defense either. Why is that?

And what about The Misadventures of Sheriff Lobo? Not once has he publicly denounced that show. Nobody fucking watched that show! Why can't Bernie take a stand against police corruption in television?

[Vote2016]

87. I'm still waiting for Hillary to denounce pedophilia, cannibalism, and puppy waterboarding

[Spirochete]

89. Undoubtedly,

just to piss you off.

Geez, where are they finding these people?

[Impedimentus]

91. K & R This is the most entertaining thread of the evening, a DU Classic

Why doesn't Bernie publicly denounce this thread?

[demwing]

93. He's a Marxist, I have photos

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511324678

[Impedimentus]

95. BUSTED !

!