Hillary REFUSES to release her transcripts, and I will REFUSE to vote for her.

[ram2008]

At the town hall she just said she won't release anything unless all the others, INCLUDING THE REPUBLICANS do.

She keeps going on about her record, so why doesnt she show it? If she doesn't have the character and integrity to be open and honest with follow Democrats, then I will not vote for her, even in a general.. Quite frankly, it's insulting to the voters and my intelligence. Good luck Hill.

I just can't cast a vote for the lesser of the two evils, not this time.

[Renew Deal]

1. I'm not that moved either way about the transcripts

And why should she give away a product that people are willing to pay handsomely for?

[bobbobbins01]

6. Cheerleaders usually work for free.

Occasionally minimum wage. Maybe if we give her the 12 dollars she supports raising it to she'll hand them over.

[Renew Deal]

16. Your post doesn't make sense

[Jackilope]

104. I take the post to mean she was overpaid by Goldman Sachs.

Cheering them on and making sure their greedy little noggin could sleep at night -- despite their role in bringing despair to those hurt by their greed and recklessness.

[Lizzie Poppet]

188. Well...

[cannabis_flower]

56. Were willing to pay for..

that was then, this is now.

[raindaddy]

59. If she's as tough on the banks as she claims why wouldn't she release them?

Especially since so many people equate them as legalized bribes...

I've seen both Warren and Sanders rip the banksters a new one.. Not so much fromClinton..

[Lordquinton]

78. The people are willing to pay wih their votes

A currency she is poor in.

[zentrum]

96. Because she's

…running for President of the United States?

Because she's doing this and telling us she doesn't have on Goldman Handcuffs.

Because presumably she won't be working giving paid speeches anymore. So why not give them away "free"?

Are our ethical standards so stunningly low at this point that because of money a candidate for the highest office in the land won't tell us what she said in speeches?

But maybe you jest.

[billhicks76]

107. Something Stinks

Release them because we need an educated vote in the primary. We don't want to pick someone with too much baggage. No strategizing will push out people's anger at the economic divide. The recovery is an illusion in their eyes. Staffers for Bernie told me Clinton campaign steamrolled votes in Nevada and that new videos will be coming out. And it will be ugly. On another note Clinton supporters are flagging and comment they can that doesn't support Hillary and just waits for a jury that has more Hillary supporters on the jury to get people banned. A 20% success rate can end up quickly getting commenting privileges frozen. Rigging the game once again. This is not how you win an election in the age of communication and social media. Might've worked 20 years ago.

[NowSam]

129. We the people bailed out those companies who paid her.

That is our money. It is now part of the national debt and the banks get to lend it back to us at high interest. She is profiting handsomely. That is why.

[kgnu_fan]

2. fair enough nt

[bkkyosemite]

3. She doesn't want the public to know she was very much

involved for them and with them is my guess.

[CorporatistNation]

111. MSNBC Mika Brysinski, "Print Reporters Have Transcripts... "

[PeaceNikki]

4. I suspect she wouldn't get your vote either way.

[ram2008]

5. Not anymore nt

[PeaceNikki]

8. So your thread title is really just grandstanding?

[ram2008]

11. Nope it's the truth

Something Hillary has a hard time with.

[PeaceNikki]

15. So you're saying that you *would* vote for her if she released them tomorrow?

I'm not buying that.

[ram2008]

17. In a general, yes nt

[LovingA2andMI]

116. And the Fact That Some "Democrats" Are Comfortable With This...

Says EVERYTHING Other Democrats need to know.

#FYI -- This is NOT the Hillary Group So You Have No Means To Kick Me Out Of Here....

[MelSC]

7. As if you were going to vote for her anyway

Nice fake outrage though

[ram2008]

9. I was going to vote for her in a general. I will not anymore. Writing in or stay home nt

[MelSC]

19. You know all your prior posts are public right?

nt

[ram2008]

21. Good, have fun digging. nt

[cprise]

152. As if she were going to try and do the right thing, instead of

triangulating and misdirecting.

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. Rec.

[houston16revival]

12. If you don't vote

you're not fulfilling your duty as a citizen of this country any better

than all Senate Republicans who refuse to hold hearings and vote on
President Obama's Supreme Court Nominee.

They swore an oath on the Bible

to "well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter so help me God."

http://www.emailyoursenator.com/oath.html

Don't be like the Republicans

Get out and vote and prevent a Trump-Koch takeover of America

[ram2008]

14. I will vote for House and Senate Dems, but not a blatant liar who insults my intelligence n/t

[houston16revival]

18. Your alleged intelligence is in question

if you allow the Supreme Court to slip away and be filled by President Rubio

because you won't vote Democratic in November

It's that simple

[ram2008]

20. I will not cast my vote out of fear

I think Obama will get a nominee through before he leaves anyway

Sorry, you can vote for someone who doesn't want to be honest with you. I can't and I won't.

[houston16revival]

42. Dream on, take another hit

What you think doesn't matter when reality is totally different

Republicans have been clear, no votes, no hearings, no nominee

The Jan 3 scenario is pretty improbable too. We'd lose the filibuster
permanently in that happenstance

All politicians lie, just like doctors. Bernie lies all the time. That's what they're paid to do.
They have to lie and utter half truths so the public will believe them

[jhart3333]

68. Hippie punching? That's what it's come to? On Democratic Underground?

Try taking it over to Free Republic.

[Politicalboi]

31. You guys act like someone who's in an abusive relationship

Overlook all the bad things about her, cheating, lying, and just vote for her. She promises she'll tell us she's going to change, but we all have heard that before. She's all yours, I don't like being abused.

[840high]

35. +1

[DUbeornot2be]

38. Yep...

Hillary 2016!

Because I've got mine!

...or something like that...

[houston16revival]

41. You are abusing the practical politics of party membership

Parties support their candidates with discipline

That's why we keep losing, our members don't vote

And I am NOT in an abusive relationship

[ram2008]

43. So how do you defend Hillary not releasing her Wall Street Transcripts? nt

Seems pretty indefensible to me.

[Live and Learn]

53. Enablers! nt

[LovingA2andMI]

117. Yep....

This!!!

[Gene Debs]

61. I won't vote for her either. Is my intelligence in question, too?

[onecaliberal]

81. false argument assumes facts not in evidence.

[HooptieWagon]

47. You mean the Clinton-Koch takeover?

Hillary co-founded the DLC with Koch Bros funding. They took over the Democratic Party in what Al From called 'a bloodless coup'.

[JonLeibowitz]

105. There are more than 2 candidates on the ballot, FYI. Not saying to vote for them, just FYI n/t

[NowSam]

136. I think a non vote is a vote

and if staying home is a better choice to a person personally than it is their right and duty to vote the way the believe. Staying home is to vote "None of the above."

There is only one candidate in this race I can believe in and his name is Bernie Sanders.

[TCJ70]

13. This is probably as good a reason as any...

...it really speaks to how little she respects the appearance of withholding them, and the voters who are legitimately concerned about it. Why vote for someone who doesn't respect you?

[artislife]

22. It's the Democrats who are asking for them

We don't care about Republican speeches, because we know how transparent they are on the subject. Their supporters would be proud of their words.

I think most of us would probably throw up at most of it and that is why she is doing this deflection.

She cannot answer in a way that seems like she isn't hiding anything. Squirrely.

[monicaangela]

33. Exactly artislife

if they are just run of the mill speeches and nothing she needs to be ashamed of, why not put her voters minds at ease and release them. Maybe there is some information in there she doesn't want us to see.

[LovingA2andMI]

118. This MIGHT Have Changed The Tone Of This Primary...

Bernie still might not win South Carolina -- but he'll get closer and as for Super Tuesday -- Get Ready -- We Just Got A Race Thanks To Hillary.

She did herself NO FAVORS TONIGHT! The word on Twitter, Facebook and On Our Show (Podcast) This Evening Was PISSED at Hillary -- especially after she refused to release her transcripts.

[Dem2]

23. lol

It seems there's a never ending demand on Hillary that doesn't apply to anybody else.

Any excuse to make an ultimatum is how I see it.

[HooptieWagon]

48. Bernie already released his Wall St speech transcripts.

[pengu]

177. No double standard - all democratic candidates need to release the paid speeches to wall street

Bernie did it. Hillary's turn.

[ismnotwasm]

24. Ok

[fun n serious]

25. I'm so tired of the I won't vote threats. nt

[ram2008]

27. They're not threats. Look at the general election polling nt

[fun n serious]

32. Vote how you will. It won't stop me from voting how I will. It is what it is nt

[Pauldg47]

85. Fun & Serious......

Your candidate will lose to Trump....
He will pry everything out of her in the General Election just like all the other Repuks. My God sir or ma'am Trumps leading her by over 5%. Please change your mind!!!

[fun n serious]

90. It's not me, it's YOU and your peeps.

I pledged to vote for Bernie should he be the nominee. It is YOUR people who are willing to let it go to Trump and sit out the vote.

[Pauldg47]

98. Your pretty young.....are you voting because she is a women?....

I'm pretty liberal and would have voted for Elizabeth Warren, but Bernie ran instead. I was a Republican and now I'm a 69 year old fart lib. Please don't vote for her! She's a very dangerous self serving opportunist. I know...I've followed this women since she was in her twenties.

An opportunist because when Bill had his exploitation with A very young Monica, Hillary turned her head. Now any other women would have divorced an asshole like that. But Hill had her eye on the whitehouse. She just rode his coat tails.

Point in being....she's a cold person and always has been.

Please, listen; you will make a regrettable mistake.?..please think hard about Bernie.

[fun n serious]

113. I remember the Clinton years..

I remember being able to tell my boss to FUCK off and have another job before I even got home. Now we stay in hostile work environments with no voice.

The situation with Monica is a long discussion.. We had that Linda Tripp woman who also USED Monica. I don't know why Hillary stayed with Bill after all that but in the 90's and even today a lot of women and men stay in those situations. Monica was in love with Bill Clinton. She knew he was a married man. Yes, he used her for sex. I am not minimizing his behavior.. just noting a lot of people (including Bernie) had a high libido in their time.

[Separation]

163. That's a load of crap!

You say:

Now any other women would have divorced an asshole like that. But Hill had her eye on the whitehouse. She just rode his coat tails.

This is just completely one hundred percent bullshit! There are plenty of men and women who have had an affair, and worked it out.

Let me take a line from you. You sound o!der, are you sure you are not going to vote for her because she is a woman? It sounds like you hold women in a pretty low regard with your comments.

BTW, I plan on voting for Bernie come super Tuesday.

[Pauldg47]

185. Also me.

[RufusTFirefly]

26. I won't say it's a red herring, but...

... who actually believes she'd be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by Goldman-Sachs to lambaste them?

The fact that such a transaction took place at all is appalling and should completely disqualify her from being considered an "honest broker" (!!) in dealing with rampant Wall Street corruption. The fact that she steadfastly refuses to release the transcripts suggests to me that they're even worse than we imagine.

However, even if she devoted her entire speech to reading nursery rhymes, it doesn't matter. She should've never made the speeches or taken the money in the first place. Her Nixonian stonewalling is a great big "f- you!" to people who are silly enough to worry about things like accountability and conflict of interest.

[krawhitham]

28. They will leak at some point, release them now to dampen the blow in case you win the primary

Having them leak in October will kill any chance of her winning

[DirkGently]

29. She just said at the Town Hall that taking all that money did not affect her..

But taking money from special interests does affect the way political leaders act. It's not a controversial idea -- it's a simple truth of human nature. People are less inclined to act against the interests of people who pay them hundreds of thousands of dollars at a time. And getting personally paid huge amounts is not exactly the same as even receiving political donations as Obama did, as Clinton just claimed.

I'm struck not so much by the transcripts themselves -- which are going to come out at some point here. What we're eventually going to see is that she said something along the lines of what she said in 2007:

“Now these economic problems are certainly not all Wall Street’s fault – not by a long shot,” Clinton said early in the speech.

Clinton’s NASDAQ address amounted to essentially asking the financiers assembled to take voluntary action or else she would “consider legislation” to stop banks from kicking families out of their homes. But early on in the speech, Clinton placed equal blame for the subprime mortgage crisis on low-income homeowners alongside Wall Street.

“Homebuyers who paid extra fees to avoid documenting their income should have known they were getting in over their heads,” Clinton said.

http://usuncut.com/politics/video-surfaces-of-hillary-clinton-blaming-homeowners-for-financial-crisis/

We already know this is her point of view. In all likelihood she said a variety of similar things in her subsequent speeches.

But this is a very silly argument that cashing in on your political career with the private sector doesn't create any problem whatsoever for continuing that political career. This is why most high-profile politicos wait until their political career is over before going on the high-dollar speaking tour. Surely someone told her this would be a problem, and she brushed it off.

Nobody thinks that. She knows it's a problem, and visibly squirms when she's asked about it.

[840high]

37. More lies from her.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

101. She blames the victims. Not surprising.

[oldandhappy]

30. She lost me in January with lies and negativity and side-swipes.

Transcripts are off the radar for me. I have no strong feelings so it is safe to tell me why this is an issue for you. I would like to know.

[ram2008]

36. Because it strikes a chord with everything thats wrong with her and her campaign

She is a fighter no doubt. I said I wouldn't vote for her in a general awhile ago, but she won me over again with the Benghazi hearings. But this whole transcript issue has lost me once again.

It's the hypocrisy of it:

She claims to fight for regular Americans and not the big banks, but she can't release what she said to those banks.

She wants to be about transparency, yet she can't release the transcripts.

She claims to be a progressive that can get things done, yet she can't take a second to release the transcripts.

It comes down to trust and this just kills it for me. The fact that she says until everyone does it is an enormous copout. Where there's smoke there's fire, and there's a whole lotta smoke.

[oldandhappy]

65. gotta agree, thanks

[cantbeserious]

34. The Only Conclusion This Citizen Can Reach Is That Those Transcripts Are Terribly Damaging

To her political persona.

[dana_b]

97. if they weren't, she would have released them

weeks ago. She knows, she knows.

[33taw]

128. It feels sort of like Obama's long birth certificate. That wasn't damaging at all.

[JudyM]

134. Someone should just write up a worst case scenario of her speech and post it all over the internets

so then she'd have the choice of either releasing them or letting us consider how damning they might be.

[Babel_17]

39. So, a "No" to releasing them

Might be taken as too cute a response by the media. We'll see about that, and, more importantly, how the public weighs that statement.

[SHRED]

40. If it benefited her she would

If she gave them "tough love" in those speeches she would release the transcripts to show she's tough on Wall St.

Since she refuses well then we all know why.

[DUbeornot2be]

46. Kissing...

...the asses of the uber wealthy just won't come across as very Presidential...

Hillary 2016

Because I've got mine!

[DUbeornot2be]

45. Hillary admits...

...that her standard is What everyone else does, including tbe republicans!

Hillary 2016

Because.. I've got mine!

[Waiting For Everyman]

49. Oh I agree, she's going to have to cough up the transcripts voluntarily

or no vote. It's simple, it's easily doable for her, that's what it's going to take to get my vote in the general. So we will see. I'm sure lots of people will feel the same way.

One page got leaked today and it was some major sucking up, so she'd better hurry up and release the rest because it would seem that a major leak is about to occur.

[Tarc]

50. The "concern trolls" swirling around the transcripts can go pound sand

as far as I'm concerned. This is a dim non-issue.

[ram2008]

51. You don't see an issue with Hillary not being open and host?

You don't see the clear conflict of interest of Hillary claiming to want to regulate banks which paid her hundreds of thousands of speeches, and she won't even tell primary voters what she said to them? You don't see that character issue?

[Tarc]

52. I'll say it slowly... Zero...Fucks...Given

The people pissy about transcripts are already in Camp Sanders anyways, and the rest (i.e. the majority of Democratic primary/caucus voters) see it as a non-issue. So why appease your opposition's hardcore supporters? Fuck em.

[ram2008]

57. Good luck in the general nt

[Jester Messiah]

184. +1. They're gonna need it.

Or maybe not, if Bernie's numbers keep rising.

[Logical]

126. You are really gullible! Like romneys tax returns, it matters! Nt

[Orange Butterfly]

54. So what?

I say, get over it and move on.

[KPN]

137. Why do you say that?

Seems to be an important issue for a lot of folks -- many Ds, Rs of course, and probably a majority of Is. People are fed up with the best democracy money can buy. If she can't deal with this concern effectively within the Party, how in the hell will she ever be able to in the GE? Unless she finds a way to deal with this conclusively, it's hard to see how she would be able to beat Trump -- even if most Bernie supporters voted for her.

[timmymoff]

55. Hmmmm

As thoroughly vetted as she should be considering this is her second presidential run, a few transcripts and some transparency would actually do her some good, unless it wouldn't!

[Pharaoh]

58. I'm with you ram2008 !

[EndElectoral]

60. Including the Republicans? Well, so much for transparency.

[d_b]

62. I don't need to see redundant transcripts

Hillary serves herself, wealth, and privilege.


We know what she said.

[forest444]

66. Same here. But let me tell you:

I'm pretty sure that If Anonymous or anyone like that ever leaked those transcripts, Shillary wouldn't just have to end her White House bid. She'd have to leave the country outright.

[Don Draper]

63. Very weasel like of Hillary

It astonishes me that anyone claiming to be a progressive is backing her. This is an example of why people don't like her and think she corrupt. If Hillary gets the nomination, she will cost us the White House in the general election

[BillZBubb]

114. Progressives don't back her.

A lot of her backers are progressive on one or two social issues, but after that they are solidly status quo conservative. They think of themselves as progressive, but it is self delusion.

[lobodons]

64. Scalia's GOP conservative replacement thanks you

as does the SCOTUS Conservative Majority for the next 30 years.

[ram2008]

67. The party will have only itself to blame

For nominating someone who is not honest with the American people.

We get the court we deserve.

[lobodons]

75. Pretty short sighted and petty

Think of the next generation and what a left of center SCOTUS will mean for them. This election is about more than you or me or either Bernie or Hillary. Its about the next generation and the issues that will effect their lives.

[ram2008]

77. I'm not going to have my vote held hostage

I think Obama will get a justice through anyway- if he doesn't manage to by the end of his term, I still believe the Senate will be split (even if Hillary loses) meaning only a moderate judge will get through with the next Pres anyway.

Maybe after another four years of corporate governance, the Democratic party will wake up.

[Beowulf]

139. No. The DNC can't pass this along to the voters.

They need to put forward a candidate that has wider appeal. If it's truly about the next generation, why is the party elite so dismissive of them. It's the Party that's being selfish. They'd rather run a party insider who won't win than do what's necessary to put together a winning ticket.

And I don't have much confidence she would put up left of center judges.

[840high]

106. Blame the lousy candidate.

[alcibiades_mystery]

69. Oh good Lord

[Vote2016]

70. Dear Hillary, thanks for all the help! Love, Marco

[cpwm17]

79. +1,000 n/t

[fierywoman]

72. how to vote for a woman for president ...

If Bernie doesn't get the nomination, I am also finding it really hard to follow the party line and vote for Hillary. I'm considering voting, in that case, for the other woman running for president:
http://www.jill2016.com/plan

[TIME TO PANIC]

73. If she can't be upfront with the American people, she's not qualified to be president.

[Mr.Bill]

74. Providing the opposition

with dozens if not hundreds of pages of quotes they could use out of context would be the dumbest move in the history of politics. She's much smarter than that.

[one_voice]

76. ok

[PatrynXX]

80. with trump?

hard to tell which is the lesser of two evils thats the problem. Trump of the past is to her left of her past. todays BS meh don't really trust them I trust Trump to be further to the left than he's pretending and Hillary to be more to the Right than whats she's pretending.

[question everything]

82. Hope you will be happy under presdient Trump (nt)

[ram2008]

88. With Hillary the ugly is forced behind the scenes, with Trump its forced out in the open...

Not sure which is worse for the country.

[Merryland]

83. I actually think she's as transparent as she is capable of being.

That is who she is: someone who does not want to be exposed. I think it dominates her.

[SoapBox]

84. No transcripts...No vote.

[dbackjon]

86. President Trump thanks you

[turbinetree]

87. This is what is normally called a..........................

COP- OUT -------------its that simple:


cop-out
[ˈkäp ˌout]
NOUN

informal
1. an instance of avoiding a commitment or responsibility:

"being ‘average’ is the lazy person's cop-out"

Powered by Oxford Dictionaries · © Oxford University Press


Honk--------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[GarColga]

89. Posts like this scare me a little bit.

Seriously, staying home on election day, or voting for a fringe candidate, is the same as voting Republican. We must not let a Republican into the White House this election. That is the important thing. I will gladly vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is. I couldn't care less about Hillary's transcripts.

[turbinetree]

174. She has said that she would be for the people...............................

its about transparency.
Sanders has already said he would release "all" of his transcripts, what does he have to hide-----

Clinton on the other hand has a lot to hide, which people does she want to work for a majority or a select few------------its real simple, if a majority elect you which majority do you Trust, the banking , Hedge fund clique , or the average Mr and Mrs John Doe .

This has been Clinton's problem since day one -------------------trust

[jeff47]

175. My state will be sending its 15 electoral votes to the Republican

if Clinton is the nominee.

As a result, the only thing my meaningless vote provides is principle.

[Lil Missy]

91. I'll alert the media. n/t

[oasis]

92. Yup, that did for you.

[Flatpicker]

93. That's fine

Just remember that if you don't vote, the alternative is Trump, Rubio, or Cruz.

"I just can't cast a vote for the lesser of the two evils, not this time."

Do you really mean that? I mean, that's pretty close to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I'm not saying to give in yet. I hope Bernie comes out on top.
But there is no way I will just let those horrible people (not just as candidates, as humans) get the presidency without at least trying to stop it from happening.

[alfredo]

94. Why just her transcripts?

[davidthegnome]

95. I don't see another option.

Realistically speaking, if Clinton wins the nomination.... she is the only choice for me. I am a democrat - and my vote is indeed held hostage because if I do not cast it for Clinton (provided she wins the nomination, which, I believe, is still up for grabs...) then it makes it that much more likely that we will end up with Rubio, Trump, Cruz, or whatever asshole the republicans nominate. This is a fact I cannot deny.

I absolutely agree that she should release the transcripts, for the sake of transparency and to demonstrate to the Country that she isn't afraid of the truth, that she is willing to stand by the things she says and does. I do not think though, that we are going to see those transcripts unless they are leaked by someone else. Frankly, I believe she is intimidated by the truth, that she is about as eager for transparency as the CIA - and that she will stand by whatever is most likely to improve her status in the polls.

Given where I stand politically, idealistically, my core principles and so on... I basically consider Clinton to be a Reagan democrat, or... a conservative democrat. Definitely not my favorite candidate - and I have a great many suspicions of my own in regards to her financial ties, history... what the heck she really, actually, truly stands for.

Shit. I really need to stop right there.

We cannot afford a republican Presidency, however we may feel about Clinton. We can't. Have you taken a look at the assholes in that clown car? They are scary, ladies and gentlemen - the very idea of Trump, Cruz, or Rubio being anywhere near the Presidency is fucking terrifying, especially if we cannot take back Congress or the Senate. Picture one of those asshats in the oval office, having access to that red button, having the willing and eager support of conservative republicans (controlling both the house and Senate) just as fucking crazy as they are... then we've got the Supreme court nominee...

I'd do pretty much anything to support Sanders - but if Clinton wins the nomination, regardless of my doubts, my vote will go to her because... the other side? They're inhumane, ignorant, cruel, deliberately, gleefully, willfully, happily corrupt wankpuffins who would sell their own mothers for a quarter.

The longer this Primary goes on, the less I like Clinton and the more I like Sanders - but my vote is for damn sure going to the democratic nominee, because the right winning this one is too catastrophic to contemplate. It cannot be allowed to happen. It's not just about ideology, principles... philosophies... it's about the fate of humanity, our planet. People with a large base that does not believe in climate change... are not even going to pretend to bother with it. They prefer war to peace, ignorance to enlightenment, bigotry to acceptance. We are not dealing with people who are even remotely rational, kind, or decent, on the other side of the fence here. If we were, perhaps I'd consider going third party if Clinton won.

It's a pretty big deal. At the very least, Clinton is not a rabid conservative frothing at the mouth, a climate change denier, a birther, or any of the other adjectives that could be used to describe the republican candidates.

Nope. Don't like her (before this primary heated up, I did, at least somewhat, like her... ignorance is bliss) but she's definitely better than any of the Republican candidates, by a long shot.

[leftofcool]

99. okie dokie

[MirrorAshes]

100. You "Bernie or nothing" folks are a dangerous breed

And dangerously selfish if you step aside and usher in a republican president and right wing court. There will be real consequences for real people, immigrants deported, women and LGBT people discriminated against, climate change continued to be ignored... I hope you're pleased with your clear conscience as other people suffer.

[840high]

110. Hillary is dangerous.

[MirrorAshes]

125. Republicans are worse.

[Logical]

127. I will vote for her but feel sick doing it! nt

[MirrorAshes]

130. That is admirable

And I respect you for it, distasteful as it may be for you.

[Logical]

133. There's no way in hell I want a GOP president! Nt

[GoneOffShore]

102. She doesn't have the character and integrity to be a dog catcher.

[humbled_opinion]

103. Sure... they will get released

according to Mika Brzezinski a print reporter has them and since she is a good friend of the donald I am sure that the transcripts will be aired out during the GE at which point all prior Bernie supporters will be told to defend Hillary.... that is how insane her nomination by Democrats is becoming.... We will be defending her total disregard or classified information in her emails, we will be defending her yucking it up with the wall street fat cats, hell and that's probably not the only crap we will be defending... I am sick of this shit already...

[redstateblues]

108. Trump thanks you

[840high]

112. He should thank Hillary. She is

doing the same thing with the transcripts as she did with her server. Come forward and tell the truth - stop prolonging this mess.

[redstateblues]

150. Another huge non issue

Nobody but Bernie fanatics care. It's a big so what. How about some more Benghazi hearings

[840high]

155. Keep telling yourself that.

[Hoppy]

109. After you read them, you probably wouldn't want to vote for her anyway.

What does she have to lose.?

[LeFleur1]

115. Different Rules for Different Candidates?

Why should she release anything no one else has to release? What is the problem? Lots of people who are respected for their intellect give speeches. I know she's a woman and the rules have always been different for them, but you'd think in 2016 that would have changed and we'd have the same rules for all candidates. Yet we have some loud yeowling for different rules for the woman, even today.

[Corey_Baker08]

119. Other Democrats? Sanders Is An Independent

[JudyM]

135. Oh, get over it already. If you can't see that he's far truer to dem principles than she is...

[Corey_Baker08]

142. Then Why Not Join The Democratic Party?

[JudyM]

144. Might not be a fan of the corporatist DNC.

[Corey_Baker08]

145. Not All Democrats Are

[Arizona Roadrunner]

120. Can Goldman-Sachs deduct cost of Clinton speeches ($650,000) from their tax obligation?

Can Goldman-Sachs deduct cost of Clinton speeches ($650,000) from their tax obligation? If they can, then we as taxpayers are paying more taxes to offset that lost of revenue or we get fewer services.

[kstewart33]

121. Ram, that is certainly your right. nt

And none of the Hillary supporters here are urging you to vote for Clinton. It's your call.

[greyl]

122. That's a condition, not a refusal. nt

[madamesilverspurs]

123. Why stop with the transcripts?

Let’s go revisit Benghazi. Then we can make it retroactively illegal for her to use a private email server — oh wait, they’re already working on that, along with making some emails retroactively classified. Okay, let’s make it easy on ourselves and just call Ken Starr and ask to borrow his $75million files on her, there’s gotta be something there, too...

[NanceGreggs]

124. Nobody gives a shit about those transcripts ...

... other than BS supporters who are pinning their hopes on finding a "gotcha" comment - because they know the only way Bernie can win the nomination is if some major scandal knocks her out of the race.

They are the same people who are hoping against hope that Hillary will be led out of her house in handcuffs by the FBI.

Sorry, folks - ain't gonna happen. Bernie will just have to try to win based on his own merits - which doesn't look very likely.

[Logical]

132. You are seriously gullible as hell! Look up her "trust" numbers and see....

If you don't think this will impact them.

I think you know it and I know it, she's smart enough to know that releasing them destroy her!

She's making she's made a calculated decision that not releasing them hurts her less than releasing!

[NanceGreggs]

141. No one gives a shit ...

... about those transcripts, other than desperate BS supporters.

Do you really think the average voter is even thinking about this non-issue? If you stopped thirty people on the street and asked them who Goldman Sachs even is, I'd bet the most frequent answers you'd get is that they're personal injury lawyers who run ads on TV asking if you've been hurt in a car accident.

[Logical]

143. Wow are you clueless. Notice how every Townhall and every reporter aaks about it! Nt

[NanceGreggs]

147. So what?

Average voter doesn't care. HRC supporters don't care.

Fact remains that the only people who DO care are BS supporters hoping for a scandal that would knock HRC out of the race - because it's Bernie's only real shot at winning.

[Logical]

148. Keep repeating it, make believe is fun! Nt

[NanceGreggs]

151. Yeah.

Like making believe that Bernie can win the nomination by any other means than digging up a Hillary scandal.

[Logical]

153. Hillary brought this on herself. And she's looking stupid by not releasing them. Nt

[NanceGreggs]

159. Mm hmm.

No doubt voters out there are losing sleep over this whole issue.

[JudyM]

146. Ok, says you. Plenty of us disagree and want to understand what the record will show about her

Election-talk representations about how close she is with them. Reports are that it was very chummy "we" will join forces to stave off public outrage. Nothing desperate about wanting to understand whether she actually is trustworthy about her platform promising to reign them in. Goes right to the heart of things.

[NanceGreggs]

149. "Reports are"?

Where are these "reports" coming from?

[JudyM]

154. Attendees at the talks ... Spoke recently with reporters. Googleable.

[NanceGreggs]

156. Oh, I see.

So now we're supposed to rely on the memories of people who attended, along with relying on their word?

Sorry, but no.

[JudyM]

157. Not quoting, but characterizing, which is much more reliable. But of course, believe whatever.

[NanceGreggs]

158. "Characterizing" what someone said ...

... is "more reliable" than direct quotes?

I don't believe I've ever heard such a ridiculous statement - ever.

[JudyM]

160. Check your psychology textbook. Characterizing the emotional tone is far more reliable

than recounting specific content of a speech, as far as memory of events goes.

[NanceGreggs]

161. Sorry, but no.

You're talking about an individual's ability to recall "as far as memory of events goes".

We're not talking about "memory events" here. We're talking about what someone actually said as opposed to how someone "remembers" them saying it.

The idea that an actual quote is "less reliable" than someone's recall of what was said is beyond absurd.

[JudyM]

162. Um, no. You're doing a classic apples and oranges with this.

The point of reference is necessarily the recollections of attendees at this point because Her Hillness has not deigned to permit us a view of the actual text.

So as between the choice, as I noted, of someone's recollection of the general meaning and tone, that is likely to be a fairly accurate memory, as a general rule.

To sleep, dear.

[NanceGreggs]

168. Your own words ...

"Not quoting, but characterizing, which is much more reliable."

IOW, the "characterizing" of what someone said is more reliable than what was actually said.

The most ludicrous statement I have ever seen anywhere. Ever.

[Liberal_in_LA]

131. Thats like a vote for trump or rubio

[pkdu]

138. and I REFUSE to believe you're a democrat

if you'd rather see president Trump

[ram2008]

140. I'm a progressive nt

[pkdu]

164. Got it. On the wrong website apparently. nt

[ram2008]

165. Yeah, I guess progressives don't belong in Hillary's Democratic party

She's so moderate she even pled guilty to it.

[pkdu]

166. You are on DEMOCRATICUNDERGROUND.COM

where the site hosts openly support HRC btw.

This is not GLITTERSHITTINGUNICORNUNDERGROUND.COM , I believe that site is still available should you wish to purchase it.

Progressive - sure , as much as possible
Realist - Cold Stone Mandatory

[ram2008]

167. I don't think the name implies to blindly support any Democrat

So I'm not sure what your point is.

[pkdu]

169. Then you need to read the site Terms Of Service before Hillary gains an unassailable lead n/t

[ram2008]

170. I'm not violating any terms of service

"But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them."

So, yeah.

[840high]

171. This is NOT Hillary Underground.

[pkdu]

172. Never said it was...however several of you have "Bernie" Underground" tags...no its NOT nt

[coyote]

181. Voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump

[great white snark]

173. So much childish poutrage. Next threaten to hold your breath until Hillary admits she has cooties.

Politics is for the big boys and girls.

[KansDem]

176. If she's worked out some sweetheart deals, we need to know about it

Democracy depends on it.

[giftedgirl77]

178. Bye Felicia.

[NCTraveler]

179. The most vetted candidate in US history.

Not Good Enough!!!!

[JustAnotherGen]

180. Your vote - your choice

[Herman4747]

182. PLEASE, in the General Election, don't go that far.

Think of it as "I am not voting for Hillary, I AM VOTING AGAINST TRUMP."

[thesquanderer]

183. I think that anyone who says they can't vote for HRC unless she release her transcripts...

...was unlikely to vote for her anyway!

[amborin]

186. #ReleaseTheTranscripts

[Lucinda]

187. You can watch her last paid speech if you want...