As Sanders Praises Obama Gitmo Plan, Clinton Stays Silent

[UglyGreed]

Last edited Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:37 PM - Edit history (5)

Common Dreams did not update the article so I removed the content of this post. I would done this earlier but I will not stand to be bullied into doing anything. If I was told in respectful manner that the article was wrong I would of wasted no time in removing it. I may be a cripple but I am no pushover and will not stand being abused by anyone at anytime.

Let me add Skinner himself made a mistake with the Bernie Sanders Photo-gate............ Not saying I dare to compare myself to a Yale Graduate but this former carpenter admits he has hit his thumb every now again.....

[arcane1]

1. "Clinton supported keeping the detention center open"

And somehow she's still the "progressive who can get things done"

[Kall]

28. Well, she can get things done.

What kind of progressive would want them done is another matter entirely.

[daleanime]

80. +1

[farleftlib]

2. Gitmo, for-profit prisons

Hillary likes to have lots of people in cages. Especially if there's money to be made for the 1%.

It's a win/win for her. Sheesh.

[Jenny_92808]

75. Exactly!

So sad

[Punkingal]

3. Jesus Christ! I didn't know she was against closing Gitmo!

What the hell!

[UglyGreed]

4. Just like Bernie

more you learn the more you like

[SunSeeker]

41. Hillary is NOT against closing GITMO. She has stated her support for Obama's plan.

Several posters in this thread have tried to get the OP to update the post to note that Hillary, like Bernie, has stated her support for Obama's announced plan. But the OP refuses to post an update, despite knowing that Hillary is not "silent" (let alone in opposition) but is in fact in agreement with Obama's plan.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1322352


Indeed, as she left office after serving as Secretary of State, as one of her last actions she (again) entreated Obama to close GITMO.

[thesquanderer]

5. HRC silent? I guess she hasn't had time to poll-test her statement yet. (n/t)

[UglyGreed]

7. She may be looking into it.

It's on the list!!!!

[litlbilly]

55. Im sure she'll get right on that after she releases the transcripts

[Uncle Joe]

6. This is sound foreign policy, that prison is nothing but an international embarrassment for the U.S.

It has damaged our standing in the world, kudos to President Obama and Bernie Sanders.

Thanks for the thread, UglyGreed.

[one_voice]

8. She wasn't silent.

Clinton weighed in later Tuesday.

“I support President Obama’s plan today to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay and finally close the door on this chapter of our history. Over the years, Guantanamo has inspired more terrorists than it has imprisoned. It has not strengthened our national security; it has damaged it,” Clinton said in a statement.

In the statement Clinton goes on to say that she’s supported Guantanamo’s closure since she was a senator and said that she worked on it as secretary of state.

“As President Obama's Secretary of State, I appointed a special envoy and worked with our friends and partners around the world to repatriate or resettle prisoners, with all appropriate monitoring and security,” Clinton said. “Closing Guantanamo would be a sign of strength and resolve. Congress should implement President Obama’s plan as quickly and responsibly as possible."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/bernie-sanders-gitmo-shut-down-clinton-219672

Hillary Clinton urged Obama to close Guantanamo Bay

Just weeks before she stepped down as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton sent President Obama a memo urging him to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and offering strategies to do so, the Huffington Post reported.

"I remain a strong advocate of your policy to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility (GTMO) responsibly and to ensure U.S. detention policy and practice for terrorism suspects are consistent with U.S. values and do not strengthen our enemies," Clinton wrote in the memo, which the Huffington Post obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-urged-obama-to-close-guantanamo-bay/

[UglyGreed]

15. Nope I just read

the article and posted it.

[UglyGreed]

16. gee

As of this writing, Clinton has yet to respond to Obama's proposal on Tuesday. As Politico points out, the same year that Clinton voted in favor of keeping Guantánamo open, she co-sponsored legislation with Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) that would have allowed detainees to be transferred to U.S. prison facilities or international tribunals.

[zappaman]

11. Shhhh!

Don't burst the Bernie bubble!

[UglyGreed]

12. Guess Common Dreams needs to

update the article

[SunSeeker]

20. How about you update your OP so it is not misleading? nt

[UglyGreed]

22. Check the OP is that good enough for you

[SunSeeker]

24. NO. It does not correct the misrepresentation that Hillary is "silent" on Obama's plan.

She has clearly stated she is in support of Obama's plan, as posters on this thread have tried to tell you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1322137

[UglyGreed]

26. Well if they were not rude

and calling me a liar then I would of been happy to delete this thread.

[SunSeeker]

29. So you are maintaining a misleading OP just out of spite? nt

[UglyGreed]

32. And people are allowed

name call and slander time after time because they disagree??? Been going for a long time here and I'm only human....

[SunSeeker]

43. I see no "slander" in this thread, certainly not in the two hidden posts in this thread. nt

[UglyGreed]

44. I was called a liar

in this thread and I have been attacked many times over these few months because I support Bernie instead of Hillary.........The "Bernie Bros" meme is alive and well rehearsed.

[SunSeeker]

49. You are intentionally maintaining an incorrect OP that says Hillary is "silent" on Obama's plan. nt

[UglyGreed]

51. Why do

you keep on kicking thread which you despise?? Let it sink and that will be the end of it.

[timmymoff]

81. wow first cut it out didn't work

And now she couldn't get gitmo closed. What exactly does she get done other than paid speeches to Wall St?

[Nyan]

9. Kudos to President Obama and Bernie.

It's been way overdue...

[Jenny_92808]

57. I join you in saying

Kudos to President Obama and Bernie.

[Dem2]

13. Hillary Clinton urged Obama to close Guantanamo Bay

By REBECCA KAPLAN CBS NEWS November 30, 2015, 10:07 AM
Hillary Clinton urged Obama to close Guantanamo Bay

Just weeks before she stepped down as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton sent President Obama a memo urging him to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and offering strategies to do so, the Huffington Post reported.

"I remain a strong advocate of your policy to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility (GTMO) responsibly and to ensure U.S. detention policy and practice for terrorism suspects are consistent with U.S. values and do not strengthen our enemies," Clinton wrote in the memo, which the Huffington Post obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-urged-obama-to-close-guantanamo-bay/

Has something changed since November 15th?

Sanders hits Clinton on Gitmo despite his own similar vote
Eric Bradner
By Eric Bradner, CNN
Updated 6:16 PM ET, Tue February 23, 2016 | Video Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)Bernie Sanders attacked Hillary Clinton's record on the detention center at Guantanamo Bay on Tuesday, just after President Barack Obama delivered his blueprint for the controversial military prison's closure.

But Sanders himself has voted against shuttering the U.S. military facility in Cuba.

And unlike Clinton, he has not signed on as a cosponsor to legislation that would have led to the closure of the facility, otherwise known as Gitmo

...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-guantanamo-bay-gitmo/index.html

I don't know what to think now.

[HillDawg]

17. This is 100% false

Like totally and absolutely not true. Do so damn research

[UglyGreed]

23. Oh I will

thanks for the advice

[timmymoff]

78. It shouldn't matter as well vetted as your candidate is.

I have been calling to close Gitmo. I never saw Hillary call to do so. I never saw John Lewis either. Neither one must've called to close gitmo. See how this works?

[dsc]

18. Nothing but a big fat lie

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-guantanamo-bay-gitmo/index.html

Two years later, in 2009, with Clinton serving as Obama's secretary of state, Sanders broke with his fellow Vermont senator Patrick Leahy, a Democrat, on another Guantanamo Bay-related measure.

That vote, like the one Sanders criticized Clinton for casting, was overwhelming -- a 90-to-6 vote to block Obama's request for funds to shutter the facility in Cuba until the President laid out plans for what to do with the then-240 detainees there.

Sanders was among the 90 opponents of Obama on that measure; Leahy was among the six supporters.

Yep, Sanders voted to keep the place open. Oh and down thread we find out she hasn't be silent. Oh, and she cosponsered a bill to close it but otherwise your OP is a veritable fountain of truth.

[UglyGreed]

21. Tell Common Dreams to

update the article

[beam me up scottie]

25. Except Bernie had good reasons to vote against that bill:

Newsroom / Archives

Iraq and Afghanistan

Date Posted: 05/21/2009

The Senate on Thursday passed a $91 billion supplemental spending bill. The bulk of the spending would pay for war operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. “The bill contains $73 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without providing, to my mind, the kind of exit strategy to both conflicts that I believe we need,” Senator Bernie Sanders said. A long-time critic of the war in Iraq, Sanders also has voiced reservations about the United States becoming bogged down in Afghanistan. The fate of the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, also was debated during consideration of the bill. “I agree with President Obama that Guantanamo must be shut down. I want it shut down as soon as possible. I want to make sure that torture is never again part of America’s interrogation practices and that all detainees are treated under the rules of the Geneva Conventions,” Sanders said.

“A number of important questions remain unanswered regarding the rather complicated issue of not just how you close down the facility, but what you do with the prisoners,” he added. “Are there some who should be released, are there others who should be returned to their home countries, are we confident that under Bush the correct determinations were made with respect to these prisoners’ status as ‘enemy combatants’? In order to answer these questions, President Obama has appointed a high-level committee of top administration officials who will be issuing a report in the coming months. I think that it is prudent to review that plan they develop before we spend $80 million in taxpayer money.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20090528014431/http://www.sanders.senate.gov/news/record.cfm?id=313364

[Dem2]

19. February 23, 2016, 06:50 pm Clinton backs Obama's Gitmo plan

Hillary Clinton is supporting President Obama's plan for closing the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, saying the move would "be a sign of strength and resolve."

"I support President Obama’s plan today to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay and finally close the door on this chapter of our history," she said in a Tuesday statement.

"Over the years, Guantanamo has inspired more terrorists than it has imprisoned. It has not strengthened our national security; it has damaged it."

...

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270511-clinton-backs-obamas-gitmo-plan

[JohnnyLib2]

27. This probably should be an OP.

[Dem2]

31. Be my guest

[Trajan]

30. Well ... There is this risk that Hillary could be accused of ...

... NOT standing with President Obama ...

After trying to smear Bernie with that crap the last week or two, how could she suddenly come out and disagree with him?

She's painted herself into a corner, and now? ... I suspect she will remain silent ...

[SunSeeker]

38. Hillary is on Obama's side on this; the OP refuses to update to note Hillary has stated her support.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1322352



This thread encapsulates everything wrong with Democratic Underground these days.

[kgnu_fan]

33. Which side are you on? see true color every turn. nt

[UglyGreed]

34. what are you talking about?

[JTFrog]

60. Probably this:

If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

[UglyGreed]

61. Thanks for the kick

but you are too late for the party. BTW I saw Hillary supporters boasting about the low turnout in NV the other day. But of course you knew that already

[UglyGreed]

62. Here's thread you may

want to join

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1322985

Go get em Frog!!!!!

[JTFrog]

63. Bless your little ol' heart. n/t

[UglyGreed]

64. See I'm not so

bad once you get to know me.

[JTFrog]

66. Well it sure was easy to get to know you. n/t

[UglyGreed]

70. Well we all know

it is easy to tell what is in a person's heart and in their mind by a few posts on the internet. Heck some even stated they know what programs I watch on TV......

[UglyGreed]

35. So now Common Dreams is

a Right wing source it that what you are trying to say????

[SunSeeker]

36. Hillary is on Obama's side on this; the OP refuses to update to note Hillary has stated her support.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1322352

[Jenny_92808]

68. What side am I on...

The side of the people of course.

[Jitter65]

37. Sorry, Hillary sent Obama a parting letter encouraging him to close GITMO. Shame on the media

and some anti-Hillary folks for spreading this lie.

[UglyGreed]

39. Sorry I'm anti-Third Way

anti-New Democrat, Anti-Wall Street greed, Anti-Bribes, Anti-Poorer getting poorer yada yada yada........... get my drift????

[Jenny_92808]

71. Excellent post!

I couldn't agree with you more!

[UglyGreed]

73. .

[Jitter65]

40. so why won't the media or moderators call Sanders on his misleading and dishonest attack on HRC

on this issue. Oh, the honest, dishonest BS. His supporters will overlook this just like Trump supporters overlook his outrageous lies and innuendo.

I hope the Hillary campaign remains above the fray and stays Presidential in the face of accusations and innuendo that, if handed out from the HRC campaign against Sanders would be calling for Hillary to withdraw from the campaign.

[UglyGreed]

42. Common Dreams

this is what I saw just before I posted this article..... so be grow ups and stop with the personal attacks SMH

http://www.commondreams.org/

[SunSeeker]

47. So now people who point out the inaccuracy of a posted article are not "grown ups"?

Ironic that you would resort to name calling, when that is the reason you gave me for why you will not update your OP.

Pointing out inaccuracies is not a "personal attack."

[UglyGreed]

48. IMO personal attacks are not the way

to go about a discussion. I tell my children not to call names and discuss matters in a respectable way. I also tell them if they can not do that then just walk away.

[SunSeeker]

50. I suggest you follow your own advice. nt

[UglyGreed]

52. Thank you for

your suggestion

[YCHDT]

45. There is proof showing the OP is not true but one post in this thread is true is being hide, why?

[UglyGreed]

46. Perhaps it contained a personal attack

???????

[YCHDT]

82. The direct reply post did not have a personal attack on anyone

[UglyGreed]

83. Reread the two post that were hidden

OP = original poster = lied I did not lie I posted an article that did not update their information which BTW is still up this morning. So if someone read it today they would believe Hillary has not responded.

[still_one]

53. Maybe you should listen to the downhill before misrepresenting her position

[George II]

54. No she didn't. She spoke very specifically and credibly.

[UglyGreed]

56. Edited

by request...........

[SunSeeker]

58. Please correct the headline by simply deleting that incorrect phrase "Clinton Stays Silent."

Thank you.

[UglyGreed]

59. No

[seaglass]

65. You're acting just like your candidate, dishonest and petulant. n/t

[UglyGreed]

67. Sorry but I don't support

Hillary.

[seaglass]

69. amusing

[UglyGreed]

72. Well you started it

[seaglass]

74. No you started it by willfully keeping a dishonest OP posted at DU. It's all on you whether you

act with integrity or not.

[UglyGreed]

76. By the time you replied

it was edited, but of course you knew that already Like I wrote be respectful and I am more than willing to admit a mistake. Funny though now that I did you choose to continue and kick this thread. Whatever floats your boat.........

[seaglass]

77. You didn't change the subject line. No worries though, I won't be reading or participating in any

more of your threads.

[UglyGreed]

79. Well thanks for the last

kick and post.

[Vinca]

84. Doesn't Hillary share Trump's view on this?

As "The Donald" said in his Nevada victory speech, "we're going to keep GITMO open and fill it with bad dudes." Carve that in your granite walls . . .

[UglyGreed]

85. I believe Hillary

is not shy to wage war and while waging war on an idea that idea just grows and grows. IMO Gitmo, dark prison sites and the war on terror are the biggest recruitment tools. It does keep the money flowing though.