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Why have the improved unemployment numbers not taken hold in the polls? (Original Post) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 OP
We may only start seeing it in a day or two, but it is strange FVZA_Colonel Oct 2012 #1
I don't think they did courseofhistory Oct 2012 #2
It was just one debate though, where he turned about face on every position he ever had and FVZA_Colonel Oct 2012 #3
They need to be pushed into public consciousness andym Oct 2012 #4
Biden really needs to smack Ryan about the head tomorrow. FVZA_Colonel Oct 2012 #7
Overshadowed in the media, I think Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 #5
The fact that the unemployment numbers improved was drowned doc03 Oct 2012 #14
Because the Corporate "Librul" Media is creaming its pants over the debate. Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #6
My guess is because to the average American the numbers are not as important to them... Tx4obama Oct 2012 #8
A coordinated effort by the wingnuts to claim that the UE numbers were cooked Blaukraut Oct 2012 #9
Perhaps because the Tee Vee Isn't Talking About Them AndyTiedye Oct 2012 #10
Is there any evidence that numbers like this move polls? Shivering Jemmy Oct 2012 #11
Because people were already cautiously optimistic about the economy Azathoth Oct 2012 #12
...because the MSM has been broadcasting that there is doubt as Roselma Oct 2012 #13
The bad economic job reports in the summer did not hurt Obama VirginiaTarheel Oct 2012 #15
Team Obama has One Whole Month to Mention Them Every Day TroyD Oct 2012 #16
Yup. They need to sell that number. earthside Oct 2012 #17
They might be afraid that if they draw attention to the October numbers and brag, the Nov numbers VirginiaTarheel Oct 2012 #18
They are just starting to... look at Obama's favorability ratings budkin Oct 2012 #19
 

FVZA_Colonel

(4,096 posts)
1. We may only start seeing it in a day or two, but it is strange
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:51 PM
Oct 2012

that it hasn't happened sooner.

And I will not be able to understand it, at all, if it has no measureable effect.

 

FVZA_Colonel

(4,096 posts)
3. It was just one debate though, where he turned about face on every position he ever had and
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:54 PM
Oct 2012

has been called a liar on that (because he is lying about his supposed new-found centrism). It makes no damn sense.

andym

(5,444 posts)
4. They need to be pushed into public consciousness
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:56 PM
Oct 2012

and I hope our Vice President and President do the pushing.

Alekei_Firebird

(320 posts)
5. Overshadowed in the media, I think
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:58 PM
Oct 2012

If Biden, and then Obama, is able to change the narrative to touting the falling unemployment, then it'll swing the polls more.

doc03

(35,358 posts)
14. The fact that the unemployment numbers improved was drowned
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:24 PM
Oct 2012

out by the righties that claimed the numbers were cooked. I saw a post on DU a day or two ago that the deficit was reduced over $200 billion this fiscal year, I have seen absolutely nothing in the MSM about it.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
6. Because the Corporate "Librul" Media is creaming its pants over the debate.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:58 PM
Oct 2012

They are invested in this race being close. A horse race.

The saddest thing about it: We Democrats are playing their game. Being whiners. Defeatists. Apathetic. Downtrodden over one fucking debate! ONE FUCKING DEBATE!!!

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
8. My guess is because to the average American the numbers are not as important to them...
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:59 PM
Oct 2012

... as they are to all the TV talking heads.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
9. A coordinated effort by the wingnuts to claim that the UE numbers were cooked
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:01 PM
Oct 2012

That cast enough of a shadow on the good news, added to the incessant debate talk

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
10. Perhaps because the Tee Vee Isn't Talking About Them
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:02 PM
Oct 2012

Too busy hyping the "Romney comeback story". They'll have time to talk about unemployment numbers sometime around mid-November.

Shivering Jemmy

(900 posts)
11. Is there any evidence that numbers like this move polls?
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:05 PM
Oct 2012

I do not know. It's possible this isn't the kind of data that affects people's opinions.

Momentum (who's winning) may matter more long term. People like to get on board with the perceived winner.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
12. Because people were already cautiously optimistic about the economy
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:06 PM
Oct 2012

Up until last week, the Obama campaign had been surprisingly successful in convincing lots of people that things were on the upswing. Friday's modest improvement was probably enough to keep those people convinced, but not enough to win new converts. The unemployment numbers were a crapshoot for us, which is why the Romney crowd were so fixated on them. Bad numbers would have hurt us, and decent numbers meant at best that we kept the status quo. Only a truly unexpected drop would have generated enough buzz to make people forget completely about the debate disaster and jolt them into changing their economic outlook.

Roselma

(540 posts)
13. ...because the MSM has been broadcasting that there is doubt as
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:11 PM
Oct 2012

to the validity of the numbers. This was the result of Jack Welch opening his yap, and the MSM going with the conspiracy theory.

VirginiaTarheel

(823 posts)
15. The bad economic job reports in the summer did not hurt Obama
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:49 PM
Oct 2012

and neither did the good October numbers help him much either. Moreover, the media is too fixated on Obama's debate "debacle" and attendant fall in the polls to give much oxygen to another else. Also, the numbers were announced on a Friday, when people's attention was on the long holiday weekend and leisure. Further, the rightwing conspiracy numbers that the numbers were cooked dampened the ability of the jobs numbers to lift Obama. Finally, the Obama campaign has done a lousy, lazy job of promoting the number job numbers and other good economic news. They really are slipping in their campaign strategy.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
17. Yup. They need to sell that number.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:04 AM
Oct 2012

The campaign ought to be up on the air with economic/jobs improvement/headed-in-the-right-direction ads right now!

VirginiaTarheel

(823 posts)
18. They might be afraid that if they draw attention to the October numbers and brag, the Nov numbers
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:06 AM
Oct 2012

Might be bad and boomerang on them.

budkin

(6,707 posts)
19. They are just starting to... look at Obama's favorability ratings
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:19 AM
Oct 2012

Should see some nice movement in the next couple days

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