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Related: About this forum“Waaaaake up! Wake up, South Carolina!” Spike Lee endorses Bernie Sanders with new radio ad
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“This is your dude, Spike Lee. And I know that you know that the system is rigged! And for too long we’ve given our votes to corporate puppets. Sold the okie doke. Ninety-nine percent of Americans were hurt by the Great Recession of 2008, and many are still recovering.
“That’s why I am officially endorsing my brother, Bernie Sanders. Bernie takes no money from corporations. Nada. Which means he’s not on the take, and when Bernie gets into the White House, he will do the right thing!
How can we be sure? Bernie was at the march on Washington with Dr. King. He was arrested in Chicago for protesting segregation in public schools. He fought for wealth and education equality thoughout his whole career. No flippin'...no floppin'.
Enough talk. Time for action. Hey, Bernie from Brooklyn, talk to the folks.
https://soundcloud.com/bernie_sanders/wake-up
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mnhtnbb
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flor-de-jasmim
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SammyWinstonJack
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longship
(40,416 posts)I'm not big on endorsements, but sometimes they make some sense.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)
gordyfl
(598 posts)I thought that ad was well done.
I liked the ending. Go ahead Bernie. Start talking.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)
secondwind
(16,903 posts)
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Wow! That was a good script! Way to go, Spike Lee!
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Bernie from Brooklyn!
LWolf
(46,179 posts)
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)
jhart3333
(332 posts)
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)That's a great endorsement, and it helps everywhere. I especially like how the message was direct and drilled to a few important issues and facts. They resonate, and they'll be on people's minds.
This could give Senator Sanders the opening he needs to make his case to undecided voters in South Carolina.
intheflow
(28,497 posts)Ta-Nehisi Coates, Michelle Alexander, Danny Glover, Spike Lee. 
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)No one pays any attention to what he says. I'm not even sure he's really black. Did anyone check?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)some of his positions and criticisms.
But hey ... You clearly know better!
vdogg
(1,384 posts)He's a filmmaker, not a leader. What fealty do I owe to him? Why should anything that comes out of his mouth influence my vote one way or another?
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)Spike Lee is a very outspoken person in the black community.
vdogg
(1,384 posts)I'm black, I don't pay attention to him. He doesn't inform my daily life. Other than the random "hey, did u see this/that movie" he hasn't even come up as a topic of conversation between me and my black friends.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)in my Black barbershop in 15 years ... other than to clown him for his NY Knicks courtside appearances.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)
Number23
(24,544 posts)Stop doing that!! You're ruining EVERYTHING!!!!!! ((stamps out of the room sobbing))
And I say this as somebody who actually likes Spike Lee and still don't think he's important. We even bought his children's book!
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... off the scene for a second.
Love em like a play cousin but I don't think his ad is accurate, Sanders lobbied Wall Street in part for money for the DSCC and took some of that money for his own campaign.
Sanders can't pass the "no clean hands" test...
Obama is the Sanders the Sanders groups is wanting.... and they hate him or at least strongly dislike him
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the looting of the 99% then vote Clinton who, with her husband, are members of the top 1% of the top 1%. You know, the ones that gave us the crap we have. Clinton has no intention to try to make the Wealthy pay their fair share.
"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"
intheflow
(28,497 posts)That's what my post was referring to.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)he is a great film maker (in the 80s and 90s). And, he has been vocal with respect to Black folks being in the room to green light Black film projects ... but beyond that ... nada.
intheflow
(28,497 posts)I concede he's not a a leader in the traditional sense of leadership, but he is influential through his films - especially his documentaries.
That's the context of leadership I put him in. I consider Michael Moore a leader from the documentary film industry, too. Both Lee's and Moore's interpretations of current events changes the dominant interpretation of events and thus helps shape the historical narrative for future generations. This is leadership, albeit not from an elected position or literal podium. It's possible that I'm such a history nerd I just interpret influence with leadership in terms of historical perspective. I'm okay with that.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)First, absent the instant endorsement, Spike has been AWOL on social issues (over the past 10 years). And, second, do you REALLY think Spike's endorsement would garner ANY attention; but for, his being Black ... and presenting yet another, rare, opportunity for white Bernie supporters to say, "See ... Black folks are feeling the bern"?
intheflow
(28,497 posts)I admitted my own biases and concede your point. Why are you arguing with me?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)intheflow
(28,497 posts)Okay then! 
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)statements that Sanders doesn't support the AA community. It's complete bullcrap, typical of what we expect.
Clinton has supported many, many issues that have been harmful to all Americans and some that have been especially harmful to the AA community. Clinton's support for severe drug penalties and her support of Prisons For Profits have helped fill our prisons which has devastated many minority communities. And she has no intention to reduce the looting of the resources of the 99% by her friends.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)That is not the question. No one has challenged that Bernie has voted the right way ... he even marched with Martin ... before re-appearing on the American scene in Vermont.
The question, and problem, here is the consistent attempts to PROVE that Bernie has significant support among the Black electorate by posting (often times) random youtube videos or the occasional endorsement of Black celebrities.
That is offensive.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and backing Goldman-Sachs and higher profits is offensive. I think ignoring the highest infant mortality rate in the modern world in favor of Goldman-Sachs profits is offensive. I think that putting oil company profits above the drinking water of us lowly citizens is offensive. And what happened to the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children in Iraq is offensive.
You and I are on different sides of this class war. HRC and her 50 million dollars and Sen Sanders are on different sides in this class war. Goldman-Sachs, Citigroup, Bank of America, Disney, etc. and the 99% are on different sides.
"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But that is just as off topic as your response to me.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)correct side of this class war. I don't expect miracles but if we elect Sen Sanders we will be sending a message to the Conservatives that want to loot the resources of the 99%.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Has the Obama Presidency taught you nothing about the "leverage" of presidents?
Modern presidents can cajole congress, bargain with congress, threaten congress; but, congress (including Democrats) are intent on PROVING their "independentnessitude" and be seen on cable news doing what the/a president wants.
But I suppose it'll all be different because ... Bernie!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I don't support Clinton. I supported Obama because as a candidate he pretended to be progressive. He isn't progressive. He didn't even try to be progressive after the election. Every appointment he made where conservatives. Not one progressive. Don't make me go thru the list. Did he even try to roll back the Patriot Act? Nope, and neither will Clinton. Did he try to regulate corruption in the big banks and wall street? Nope, and neither will Clinton. He drug his feet on torture, on indefinite detention. He kills with drones. His DoJ spent more resources on getting long prison terms for medical marijuana dispensers than regulating Wall Street. The militarization of local police and the culture of killing innocent people in the streets happened on his watch.
"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"
Clinton is on the wrong side of the class war. Her and Bill are in the top 1% of the top 1% and looks like they want more and more.
polly7
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uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... that's not even close to reaity
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)When will they understand how offensive that is?
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... I wonder how long it would take for an OP to be hidden asking saying some of the same crap about Stockholm Syndrome when it comes to some folks overt tribal reflexive attitudes!?
senz
(11,945 posts)Hillary plays the Black-person-with-name-recognition game to the hilt. With her, it's a cynical ploy because she has no history (until the primary started) of taking any interest whatsoever in AAs.
And YOU KNOW, as well as I do, that Bernie has worked his entire life for minorities, while Hill doesn't give a shit about anybody but the 1%.
You KNOW it. It's time to start caring.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Really? The Black community begs to differ.
I am socially and civically active, around racial and poverty issues ... and have been for quite some time. I can tell you ... I know, personally, 100+ Black people who, either personal have met, and have worked with HRC, directly, or know someone that knows and has worked with HRC. I can't point to more than a few that know, or have worked with Bernie (or know some one that has) ... And, I can't point to a single person that described their interaction with him as pleasant.
senz
(11,945 posts)She's highhanded, dismissive, and unwilling to listen.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)you post youtube videos.
Have you ever met her or doe you know anyone that has met her?
senz
(11,945 posts)but I have never claimed to be a PoC. I'm a little old "white" woman who, like Bernie, has never been able to understand bigotry and injustice but who knows in my bones they are wrong.
I'm not acquainted with any big-shot politicians or other celebrities. Just a private individual who pays attention and cares.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)awhile back, that you are a Latina.
senz
(11,945 posts)I don't reveal too many personal details but also don't make claims for myself that aren't true.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... account outright
Number23
(24,544 posts)You REALLY need to stop. Mostly because nothing you are saying makes any sense and secondly, it is pretty damn ridiculous.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)just because I trust your wise counsel.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Luminous Animal
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jillan
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But, then, I'm used to seeing the comments left for Lewis and Duarte.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)gyroscope
(1,443 posts)A noted political and documentary film maker verus B-movie actor. I would go with the former.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)gyroscope
(1,443 posts)LOL
cui bono
(19,926 posts)
"Go the fuck to sleep" vs. "Wake up!" is oddly right on the money, isn't it?
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Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)One of the banks that preyed on black communities to sell their sub-prime mortgages? THAT Samuel L. Jackson? Well alrighty then! What's in YOUR wallet? LOL
TM99
(8,352 posts)of which candidate has the 'right' or 'wrong' black endorsers?
Because you know that kind of sounds a wee bit racist. Treating them as objects with the right amount of experience points to be more valuable or less valuable.
It devalues Spike Lee's contributions & activism to say he doesn't trump Jackson. Got it?
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)
PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)Good for Spike. Good for us.
Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)Thanks for the thread, virtualobserver.
GuardianOne
(27 posts)Spike is a funny, intelligent man who happens to be black. He's addressing other blacks and telling the truth, that Bernie has been addressing their rights for a long time. Apparently since a few blacks may or may not like him, that he isn't a 'leader' we're supposed to think Spike carries no weight? He's not black enough? What? Blacks have their own language, and he's speaking in that language. Brother to brother. Sister to sister. This Sanders guy is REAL.
I'm white, I can't speak for the black community. Neither can a handful of blacks. But if I WAS black, I'd listen to my brother. EVERY black that speaks to his race and says wake up, is significant. There's always been family in the black community. Not everyone needs to be Dr. King. Spike will be listened to.
If Spike were for Hilary my feeling is he'd suddenly be a leader.
No matter what color you are, when you're wrong, you're wrong.
Thank you Spike, from a white person. Bernie's real. Hilary is bought and paid for. Period.
Thank you Spike for telling it like it IS about Bernie.
Christ, one black person saying Spike isn't a leader because he's not for Hilary.
Why are we classifying blacks in the first place? Racism is stupidity. Racism is ridiculous. Not only do black lives matter, ALL black opinions matter.
Bernie and Spike speak for me.
GuardianOne
(27 posts)From TheHill.com:
The filmmaker's endorsement has the potential to be a defining moment in the 2016 campaign.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/270429-spike-lees-endorsement-of-sanders-is-huge-news
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Also possesses great political instincts!
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)But I like the fact Tanya Lee- Spikes wife, is all for Hillary.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)It's so funny how Hillary supporters always do exactly what they howl loudest about when Sanders supporters do the same.
AikenYankee
(135 posts)Thanks for sharing!
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Danny Glover endorses Bernie Sanders: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-glover/sanders-campaign-genuine-progressive-movement_b_9163960.html
