2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumKeep pot illegal, support death penalty, deport kids to certain death....
Yeah this is a real caring and sharing and socially enlightened campaign.
I can certainly see why minorities would rally to support it.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)According to some in Camp Weathervane, that's all it takes.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Wall Street, after all, doesn't have a conscience.
californiabernin
(421 posts)I think a lot of people (minority or not) are supporting Clinton simply because the think she can win and Sanders can't. I don't agree with that, in fact I think more likely the case Sanders would have a better chance in the GE because people want change, and Clinton is a status-quo candidate, not a change candidate. It's going to be a difficult sell, I think.
I appreciate the principled stands Sanders takes, it's the mark of a leader. With all due respect to Clinton supporters, there are many incidents where she simply seems to follow, and support an issue once it seems "safe" to do so. And then there are the reversals, like on single-payer health care. And of course all those corporation connections are worrisome and disheartening.
I do think it's mostly a perceived electability issue (which like I said I disagree with). Maybe I'll run a poll to see if I'm right. I could be wrong.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If we offer stale tapioca then the perceived agent of change will be the GOP.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Back to certain death? That is certainly not true, not true at all.
What's so wrong about wanting more research done on pot? Hell I smoke and I think that's a great idea.
And supports death penalty? Seriously.
You are clearly overexaggerating all of her stances.
Read about what is happening in those places, and tell me it's a good place for a kid to be...And ask yourself if it's innocuous, why are they and their parents risking so much to get them out of there?
How long has pot been around? How much research has already been done? It's a waffle to say not enough is known, for better and not-so-better.
She supports the death penalty. If you do fine. But don't deny that. She said it. Recently. In public.
Actually hasn't been much research done on pot. A few studies don't conclude anything. We need extensive government research to be done. There is nothing wrong with that.
And I support the death penalty in cases where the evidence in 100% undeniable and the person has done a very tragic act, such as the mass killing in Colorado or Boston. She said "rare" circumstances, and I agree with it in cases like that.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)As for pot...it's pretty well known. And people are going to use it anyway, and it is like ruining people's lives for getting caught drinking or smoking a cigarette. Plus it feeds a vicious black market.....As for the safety of it, it's like the food we eat. Every day there is a new and different study. At some point you just have to pays your money and takes your chances.
I think the death penely is immoral. We''ll have to agree to disagree disagree on that.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)are used and who they work against.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I also support the death penalty in undisputed evidence and horrid premeditated crimes.
I say legalize pot federally and research later. I do not use pot and have not. Hillary has my vote even if I disagree on an issue or two. She is the most qualified, I know what to expect from her, and I lived through the hard times as a woman. Some women today take their rights for granted.
The Redheaded Guy
(90 posts)*sigh* I can tell you aren't very issues-oriented.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)You also hold conservative ideals dear to your heart ...
I stopped talking to my hyper right wing brothers ... Would would I keep you around ?...
I wont ....
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Why not just go turn yourself in? That would be a lot less hypocritical.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)She has her part in creating the reason why these children are being sent away.
Imagine being so afraid for your children that this type of journey is less of a risk?
Hillary is a hawk of the worst sort.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But really, how can any progressive be for the death penalty? let alone the others on your list.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)or Hillary Clinton.
All kidding aside: Some fucking Bernie Sanders supporters had the nerve to suggest that he cared about them and the things that affected their lives.
All hell broke loose: How dare anyone defy the next in line to the first black president (Bill Clinton). Evidently Barack Obama (not black enough) was just a bump on the road.
Seriously?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)how is that different than trump?
global1
(25,265 posts)Let our country's infrastructure deteriorate even more. Promote fossil fuels. Give more tax breaks to corporations so they can continue to ship jobs overseas. Make it harder for workers to join unions so they can be taken advantage of with low wages and decreased benefits. Do away with the concept of minimum wage altogether. Make sure women continue to earn less than men. Pass trade bills like TPP to put us in a further disadvantage and keep jobs overseas. Make sure our college graduates never get out of debt. Make it even harder for those that seek a college education to afford one. Shore up the big banks and let them get even bigger. Rescind the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) and let the insurance companies take more advantage of us. Let Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid fail to further put our seniors in poverty and die untimely deaths. Continue loopholes so that more corporations can get on the bandwagon to not pay U.S. Federal Income taxes. Promote war and send more of our treasures (in money and lives) to fight for the 1% and their greed. Give up more of our privacy based on fear talk. Build fences. Overturn Roe vs Wade.
Please - don't criticize me of negative campaigning.
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)She takes money from the private prison industry, which wants to put more blacks (and latinos) in prison and on death row. Her race-baiting campaign of 2008 was one of the ugliest in US history. She is just as bad if not worse than any republican, and the policies of her husband did nothing to help blacks and minorities.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)or something?
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,640 posts)I'm a weed Libertarian, and like NORML I'm for decriminalization. Keep the govt out of my pot.
Imagine if it were legal. Right now in most states it's off the radar and subject only to a fine. The police certainly have bigger fish to fry with the current heroin crisis. If it goes legal there will undoubtedly be bootleg growers innovating better strains and the IRS will not take un-taxed sales lightly. Expect an increase in home forfeitures and prison time for a crime that barely gains notice now.
What's more, if it's legal there will be a strong call to test drivers for use. THC remains stored in the kidneys and released into the blood for weeks after, so anyone who smoked last week is technically still under the influence. There's a big revenue generator for the state.
Finally, just what does the "legal" scenario look like to you? Do you imagine you'll be lighting up in the park or outside the bar with the cigarette smokers? First of all, I do that now anyway, but enforcement of public intoxication will be ramped up to "protect the children".
This has nothing to do with Bernie or Clinton as far as I'm concerned. Neither one of them would be able to pass anything close to turning the US into Copenhagen, just like neither of them will throw all the guns into the ocean.
Don't legalize, decriminalize.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)WA state implemented a fairly strict stoned driving component to their law, and contrary to hyperbole expressed by some before the vote, there has not been some massive uptick in drivers being charged because they had THC in their systems from smoking it a week earlier. In fact it would appear that the metrics for determining inebriation or impairment to operate a vehicle haven't changed (field sobriety tests or what have you) and the fears about all these people being given DUIs because they had fat soluble THC in their system from smoking days earlier have most certainly not materialized.
The idea that somehow legalization will make prison sentences and asset forfeitures worse is silly. "Decriminalization" still means that the people doing the growing, etc. are criminals and as such subject to those things. Regulation and legalization are the ONLY way to get that shit out of the system. It's long overdue to bring this thing out of the shadows, and some of us states are going to give California's wine country a run for it's rather substantial money on the basis of our world-renowned quality pot.
In the meantime, those tax dollars don't hurt, either.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)none of what you find in the drama box of your imagination is happening at all. Just a brisk tax income, new jobs and better, safer medicine for the medical users.
Just unmitigated horsefeathers.