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Keep pot illegal, support death penalty, deport kids to certain death.... (Original Post) Armstead Feb 2016 OP
I hear ya SHRED Feb 2016 #1
Relationships, friendships and fish frys. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #2
That sounds like something a friend of Kissinger would do. SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #3
Friend of Wall Street too. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #18
I hear you. I would be curious how Clinton supporters feel about these issues. californiabernin Feb 2016 #4
Exactly, this is a change election -- the question is in what direction? Armstead Feb 2016 #5
If it doesn't happen this time around, I fear it never will n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #31
Okay HillDawg Feb 2016 #6
Okay Armstead Feb 2016 #7
There HillDawg Feb 2016 #10
Okay I appreciate your honesty Armstead Feb 2016 #11
Especially when you look at how the death penalty and the drug laws..... daleanime Feb 2016 #19
Legal Pot is going great in my State... fun n serious Feb 2016 #21
So your gist of voting for Clinton is because she's a woman? The Redheaded Guy Feb 2016 #27
No. nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #28
Well ... So that would explain your support of Hillary ... Trajan Feb 2016 #30
So you are supporting someone that wants to put you in prison? Live and Learn Feb 2016 #9
Do you inhale? TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #15
Search "Hillary Clinton Honduras" tecelote Feb 2016 #22
Here, the Honduras thing John Poet Feb 2016 #32
Talk about a buzz kill😀 NWCorona Feb 2016 #8
You must be talking about the GOP... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #12
five children were returned to their children and are now dead. I can't wrap my brain around that roguevalley Feb 2016 #14
While We're At It..... global1 Feb 2016 #13
Why are black people voting for her again? gyroscope Feb 2016 #16
the party line is that people talk about these issues too much, therefore it--makes voters angry? MisterP Feb 2016 #25
Don't forget her views on foreign policy. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #17
I smoke like Cheech and I say keep it illegal. JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #20
Meh. Legalization works. It's already working. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #23
Could not disagree more . TheFarS1de Feb 2016 #24
What a load of unadulterated 1983 that is. I live in a State with legal cannabis right now and Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #29
. UglyGreed Feb 2016 #26
 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
4. I hear you. I would be curious how Clinton supporters feel about these issues.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:59 AM
Feb 2016

I think a lot of people (minority or not) are supporting Clinton simply because the think she can win and Sanders can't. I don't agree with that, in fact I think more likely the case Sanders would have a better chance in the GE because people want change, and Clinton is a status-quo candidate, not a change candidate. It's going to be a difficult sell, I think.

I appreciate the principled stands Sanders takes, it's the mark of a leader. With all due respect to Clinton supporters, there are many incidents where she simply seems to follow, and support an issue once it seems "safe" to do so. And then there are the reversals, like on single-payer health care. And of course all those corporation connections are worrisome and disheartening.

I do think it's mostly a perceived electability issue (which like I said I disagree with). Maybe I'll run a poll to see if I'm right. I could be wrong.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
5. Exactly, this is a change election -- the question is in what direction?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:03 AM
Feb 2016

If we offer stale tapioca then the perceived agent of change will be the GOP.

 

HillDawg

(198 posts)
6. Okay
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:03 AM
Feb 2016

Back to certain death? That is certainly not true, not true at all.

What's so wrong about wanting more research done on pot? Hell I smoke and I think that's a great idea.

And supports death penalty? Seriously.

You are clearly overexaggerating all of her stances.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
7. Okay
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:07 AM
Feb 2016

Read about what is happening in those places, and tell me it's a good place for a kid to be...And ask yourself if it's innocuous, why are they and their parents risking so much to get them out of there?

How long has pot been around? How much research has already been done? It's a waffle to say not enough is known, for better and not-so-better.

She supports the death penalty. If you do fine. But don't deny that. She said it. Recently. In public.

 

HillDawg

(198 posts)
10. There
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:14 AM
Feb 2016

Actually hasn't been much research done on pot. A few studies don't conclude anything. We need extensive government research to be done. There is nothing wrong with that.

And I support the death penalty in cases where the evidence in 100% undeniable and the person has done a very tragic act, such as the mass killing in Colorado or Boston. She said "rare" circumstances, and I agree with it in cases like that.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
11. Okay I appreciate your honesty
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:22 AM
Feb 2016

As for pot...it's pretty well known. And people are going to use it anyway, and it is like ruining people's lives for getting caught drinking or smoking a cigarette. Plus it feeds a vicious black market.....As for the safety of it, it's like the food we eat. Every day there is a new and different study. At some point you just have to pays your money and takes your chances.

I think the death penely is immoral. We''ll have to agree to disagree disagree on that.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
19. Especially when you look at how the death penalty and the drug laws.....
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:56 AM
Feb 2016

are used and who they work against.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
21. Legal Pot is going great in my State...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:25 AM
Feb 2016

I also support the death penalty in undisputed evidence and horrid premeditated crimes.
I say legalize pot federally and research later. I do not use pot and have not. Hillary has my vote even if I disagree on an issue or two. She is the most qualified, I know what to expect from her, and I lived through the hard times as a woman. Some women today take their rights for granted.

 
27. So your gist of voting for Clinton is because she's a woman?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016

*sigh* I can tell you aren't very issues-oriented.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
30. Well ... So that would explain your support of Hillary ...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:22 PM
Feb 2016

You also hold conservative ideals dear to your heart ...

I stopped talking to my hyper right wing brothers ... Would would I keep you around ?...

I wont ....

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
9. So you are supporting someone that wants to put you in prison?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:14 AM
Feb 2016

Why not just go turn yourself in? That would be a lot less hypocritical.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
22. Search "Hillary Clinton Honduras"
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:00 AM
Feb 2016

She has her part in creating the reason why these children are being sent away.

Imagine being so afraid for your children that this type of journey is less of a risk?

Hillary is a hawk of the worst sort.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
8. Talk about a buzz kill😀
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:10 AM
Feb 2016

But really, how can any progressive be for the death penalty? let alone the others on your list.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
12. You must be talking about the GOP...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:27 AM
Feb 2016

or Hillary Clinton.

All kidding aside: Some fucking Bernie Sanders supporters had the nerve to suggest that he cared about them and the things that affected their lives.

All hell broke loose: How dare anyone defy the next in line to the first black president (Bill Clinton). Evidently Barack Obama (not black enough) was just a bump on the road.

Seriously?



roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
14. five children were returned to their children and are now dead. I can't wrap my brain around that
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:24 AM
Feb 2016

how is that different than trump?

global1

(25,265 posts)
13. While We're At It.....
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:42 AM
Feb 2016

Let our country's infrastructure deteriorate even more. Promote fossil fuels. Give more tax breaks to corporations so they can continue to ship jobs overseas. Make it harder for workers to join unions so they can be taken advantage of with low wages and decreased benefits. Do away with the concept of minimum wage altogether. Make sure women continue to earn less than men. Pass trade bills like TPP to put us in a further disadvantage and keep jobs overseas. Make sure our college graduates never get out of debt. Make it even harder for those that seek a college education to afford one. Shore up the big banks and let them get even bigger. Rescind the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) and let the insurance companies take more advantage of us. Let Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid fail to further put our seniors in poverty and die untimely deaths. Continue loopholes so that more corporations can get on the bandwagon to not pay U.S. Federal Income taxes. Promote war and send more of our treasures (in money and lives) to fight for the 1% and their greed. Give up more of our privacy based on fear talk. Build fences. Overturn Roe vs Wade.

Please - don't criticize me of negative campaigning.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
16. Why are black people voting for her again?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:34 AM
Feb 2016

She takes money from the private prison industry, which wants to put more blacks (and latinos) in prison and on death row. Her race-baiting campaign of 2008 was one of the ugliest in US history. She is just as bad if not worse than any republican, and the policies of her husband did nothing to help blacks and minorities.



MisterP

(23,730 posts)
25. the party line is that people talk about these issues too much, therefore it--makes voters angry?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:06 PM
Feb 2016

or something?

JohnnyRingo

(18,640 posts)
20. I smoke like Cheech and I say keep it illegal.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:56 AM
Feb 2016

I'm a weed Libertarian, and like NORML I'm for decriminalization. Keep the govt out of my pot.

Imagine if it were legal. Right now in most states it's off the radar and subject only to a fine. The police certainly have bigger fish to fry with the current heroin crisis. If it goes legal there will undoubtedly be bootleg growers innovating better strains and the IRS will not take un-taxed sales lightly. Expect an increase in home forfeitures and prison time for a crime that barely gains notice now.

What's more, if it's legal there will be a strong call to test drivers for use. THC remains stored in the kidneys and released into the blood for weeks after, so anyone who smoked last week is technically still under the influence. There's a big revenue generator for the state.

Finally, just what does the "legal" scenario look like to you? Do you imagine you'll be lighting up in the park or outside the bar with the cigarette smokers? First of all, I do that now anyway, but enforcement of public intoxication will be ramped up to "protect the children".

This has nothing to do with Bernie or Clinton as far as I'm concerned. Neither one of them would be able to pass anything close to turning the US into Copenhagen, just like neither of them will throw all the guns into the ocean.

Don't legalize, decriminalize.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
23. Meh. Legalization works. It's already working.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:09 AM
Feb 2016

WA state implemented a fairly strict stoned driving component to their law, and contrary to hyperbole expressed by some before the vote, there has not been some massive uptick in drivers being charged because they had THC in their systems from smoking it a week earlier. In fact it would appear that the metrics for determining inebriation or impairment to operate a vehicle haven't changed (field sobriety tests or what have you) and the fears about all these people being given DUIs because they had fat soluble THC in their system from smoking days earlier have most certainly not materialized.

The idea that somehow legalization will make prison sentences and asset forfeitures worse is silly. "Decriminalization" still means that the people doing the growing, etc. are criminals and as such subject to those things. Regulation and legalization are the ONLY way to get that shit out of the system. It's long overdue to bring this thing out of the shadows, and some of us states are going to give California's wine country a run for it's rather substantial money on the basis of our world-renowned quality pot.

In the meantime, those tax dollars don't hurt, either.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
29. What a load of unadulterated 1983 that is. I live in a State with legal cannabis right now and
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

none of what you find in the drama box of your imagination is happening at all. Just a brisk tax income, new jobs and better, safer medicine for the medical users.

Just unmitigated horsefeathers.

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