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glinda

(14,807 posts)
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 07:08 PM Oct 2012

Shouldn't anyone be discussing this (statement) portion of Romney's debate?

"The role of government: Look behind us. The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. The role of government is to promote and protect the principles of those documents.
First, life and liberty. We have a responsibility to protect the lives and liberties of our people, and that means a military second to none. I do not believe in cutting our military. I believe in maintaining the strength of America's military.
Second, in that line that says we are endowed by our creator with our rights, I believe we must maintain our commitment to religious tolerance and freedom in this country. That statement also says that we are endowed by our creator with the right to pursue happiness as we choose. I interpret that as, one, making sure that those people who are less fortunate and can't care for themselves are cared by -- by one another.
We're a nation that believes that we're all children of the same god and we care for those that have difficulties, those that are elderly and have problems and challenges, those that are disabled. We care for them. And we -- we look for discovery and innovation, all these things desired out of the American heart to provide the pursuit of happiness for our citizens."


I don't know about anyone else but that portion of the debate was frightening to me since he assumes everyone is automatically under the same God, any God or that a form of God is in these laws.

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Shouldn't anyone be discussing this (statement) portion of Romney's debate? (Original Post) glinda Oct 2012 OP
Willard is pandering for the god vote Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #1
I agree. Andy823 Oct 2012 #2
Well he assumes it is one same god. glinda Oct 2012 #6
Interesting phrasing ... even without the stutter ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #3
No. I think you are right as you take it literally as said. glinda Oct 2012 #5
what struck me nycbiscuit Oct 2012 #4

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
2. I agree.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 07:40 PM
Oct 2012

The problem is which God is Romney talking about? The on the Catholics pray to, the one the Evangelicals pray to, the one the Jews pray to, the one the Buddhists pray to or the one the MORMONS pray to? As far as religious tolerance, I do agree with that, but so many different religious groups who want their beliefs to be tolerated, don't always believe that "OTHER" groups should be tolerated.

Religious groups that think they are the chosen ones, that only those who belong to their group will be saved, and the the rest of worlds religions are false, or serving Satan, and that only "their" teachings or interpretations of the bible, are accurate should be questioned about their tolerance towards others.

We all so should question those religions that demand complete loyalty from their members and tell their members that their beliefs come ahead of any other loyalties a member may have. Can someone who swears their loyalty to their religion actually be tolerant of others, and can they put the laws of the land ahead of the laws of their religion?

Romney needs the christian voters, and I am sure that many of them hate president Obama enough they will hold their noses and vote for him, but others will not because they know that Romney "lies for the lord" and they will question, with good reason, if the can put the needs of this country and "ALL" the people of this country ahead of his religious loyalty to his religion and the leaders of the LDS church.

He will say anything to get elected, depending on who he is talking to at the time, but will enough people believe his lies, that's the real question.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. Interesting phrasing ... even without the stutter ...
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 07:51 PM
Oct 2012
I interpret that as, one, making sure that those people who are less fortunate and can't care for themselves are cared by -- by one another.


I read that as the less fortunate are to care for each other, i.e., the more fortunate have no duty/obligation/responsibility for caring for those that cannot care for themselves.

Anyone read that differently?

nycbiscuit

(46 posts)
4. what struck me
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 07:52 PM
Oct 2012

was not about God, but the statement "I interpret that as, one, making sure that those people who are less fortunate and can't care for themselves are cared by -- by one another."

I keep hearing (and this was especially touched on in the Frontline piece yesterday ( http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice-2012/ ) about how his time as a Bishop formed his ideas about communities taking care of themselves, neighbors helping neighbors. And this goes to the Ryan budget slashing social services, too. Romney/Ryan have a fundamental belief that the federal government has little to no role in providing a safety net for the poor, the elderly, the disabled, the unemployed.

The Romney/Ryan priority is to the military industrial complex. He's all about Providing for the Common Defense, Securing the Blessings of Liberty for Ourselves and our Posterity, but he conveniently skips over that icky Promoting the General Welfare part.

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