2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumKatrina Vandenheuval just said on RT that Bernie has already won by moving the narrative..
Katrina, I luv ya but that is BULLSHIT that you just told Ed Schultz. Hillary can say the words, and blow confusing smoke that she is more like Bernie, but it is an illusion. She is still the Third Way, Wall Street snuggling corporatist that she has always been. She will move back to the right if she wins the nomination. Don't go thanking Bernie and his supporters for moving Hillary to the left..IT AINT HAPPENING..
Look at the Carrier video of executives moving more manufacturing jobs to Mexico. Watch the executives say the move is for increased efficiency. This is the result of the free trade America that started with NAFTA and that Hillary and her spouse and friends created.
Tell yourself these workers can all be retrained for hitech jobs in the new economy. Go ahead and believe that Hillary will change the America that displaces these workers for obscene corporate profits. IT AINT HAPPENING!
Hillary can say the words..but she isn't moving. Bernie isn't prompting her to move anything but words. Bernie walks the talk and talks the walk..and we need to have his back..
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Do they think people are that stupid.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)tokenlib
(4,186 posts)And that we know better than that Hillary will change. I like and will continue to agree with Katrina most of the time..but I disagree with her statement trying to find a silver lining that doesn't exist.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)SPOILER ALERT!
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It *sort of* happens...
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)With the faux drama around here it seemed like a perfect example ...
greatauntoftriplets
(175,749 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Hope all is well with you!
greatauntoftriplets
(175,749 posts)Hope the same is true of you.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Amen.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)keep immigrating to the USA. They're running away from all those jobs that are going to Mexico. No-wait-that doesn't make any sense.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)In fact, more are leaving than coming to the US
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/
Those jobs leaving for Mexico is one of the reasons.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)on this a few days ago.
Let's get the obvious out of the way: if Bernie loses the primary, he loses the primary and with it everything he talked about. And so we Bernie supporters will have lost.
Wall Street will remain in control
No single payer
No drug price reduction of substance
No free tuition
No $15/hr minimum wage.
etc.
So I get that. It would be terrible. I would never feel good about it. It would be depressing. And it would be whatever it is.
BUT I also think Bernie will have won something. He has already planted the seeds to change the narrative. He has already reminded many of what was possible. He's opened a lot of eyes confirming what many of us knew or feared: how the 1% controlled America.
As people sit back and watch the next four years unfold, if he's not elected, they'll see Bernie's words confirmed. More people will start talking about it and what this is all about.
I wouldn't give up and neither will most of you. This won't be over if Bernie falls short. We will learn from this, start sooner and go at it again. We have to. The 1% have absconded with our country. We will still need to get it back.
I think history will look very fondly on Bernie Sanders and if he falls short, will not forget him for what he started. We'll just have to get back to work and finished it for him.