2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe perception that Romney is leading
Is taking hold. I'm really nervous about O's chances. Time to panic?
The Magistrate
(95,248 posts)Stand to, and face the fire.
"Fortune favors the bold."
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Thank you!
leveymg
(36,418 posts)There's no way that one debate could completely shift a 6-8 point national lead. Romney's campaign has been a disaster for months and months. This sudden shift is all about media spin, a few complicit pollsters, and a lot of public anxiety.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)What's the theory as to why the pollsters are in on this?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)expect. This too shall pass.
thevoiceofreason
(3,440 posts)Who no one has heard of, no one knows, and who no one has received a phone call?
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)but many in the undecided middle see the Obama campaign having moved from offense to defense in the last week.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)They have some excellent strategists, but they are so centralized that they are inflexible and slow to adapt. They're clumsy on the tactical side because they don't listen to the grassroots and do everything possible to kill rather than promote mavericks.
You can see it in the way they've dealt with the smartest netroots dissidents.
They're also overly-conservative ideologically and overly-cautious in their movements.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)for example,who are these msartest dissidents? If you mean Cenk, that might be one thing, if youmean FDL, Jane is gearing for Hillary 2016, and I look forward to her flips flopswhen Hillary reveals herselfto be centre-right.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Let's start with a Nobel Prize winner - the one for Economics. Paul Krugman consistently sits at the top of every poll of most influential liberals.
What exactly does OFA think they stand to gain by ridiculing Krugman as a political rookie, a hysterical fanatic and an idealogue? Do they think they hold so much sway with liberals that they can discredit Krugman and thus neutralize his criticism?
That's atop what the Administration has done for its traditional grassroots base, beginning in Nov 2010 when Obama, in the first of several moves to get out ahead of the new Republican majority in the House, announced:
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DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)But Krugman, as much as I love him, eagerly courts his fights. He knows he gets to be paid to be the guy that yells at Obama. I would not mind him replacing Geitner, but that is because Geitner stinks, though frankly I would rather have Joseph Stiglitz in there; his credentials sing, and he has more experience than Krugman in actually solving problems.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)gotten the call tells me a lot about where this Administration stands on real economic issues. Anyway, someone once said, "you can't fight and expect to win with your left arm tied behind your back."
Presidentcokedupfratboy
(1,054 posts)Obama really f--ked up. This is what happens when you take your opponent too lightly. I'm really nervous. Biden has got to come through.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Why do you think they took Mitt so lightly?
Btw, on another thread Obama is conceding today that he was 'too polite' with Romney last week, so maybe that's a good sign he will fight back next time.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Canvass. I know you're in NY, but you can make calls to OH and PA, right?
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Gibbs: Obama Will Bring Different Game To Next Debate
Source: tpm
Robert Gibbs, adviser to the Obama campaign, promised supporters that President Obama would turn in a very different debate performance in his second debate against Mitt Romney and to channel their "nervous energy" into helping re-elect President Obama during an appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" Wednesday.
"This president's going to bring a much different game to this debate," Gibbs said, referring to the Oct. 16 presidential debate. "I guarantee you you'll see an energetic, enthusiastic president in that next debate."
Gibbs also asked supporters to get involved.
"I would tell them to take whatever nervous energy they have and whatever hand-wringing they will do over the next 24 to 48 hours and put that into a real effort to get this president re-elected," Gibbs said, referring to Obama supporters. "Get out there and register somebody to vote. Go to a phone bank. Make sure you tell your friends what's at sake in this race
Let's go out there and stop hand wringing and get to work."
Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gibbs-obama-will-bring-different-game-to-next
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Nobody liked the way that game was played - the crowd, the commentators, and the folks at home all booed during the entire second half of the game.
Sorry about the sports analogy, but it seems the most apt.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Obama played defense, defending a lead, as you said. Mitt got himself hopped up on crystal meth and steroids, and made it clear to the referee that he was going to lose his job, him and his team Mascot, big bird. He won only because the crowd was made up of a bunch of rednecks that could not care about the game, but wanted an excuse to get wasted and see a what Justice Thomas would call "the high-tech lynching of an uppity black."
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)I say, turn off the fucking t.v. and pick up the fucking phone.
We liberals like to sit around and complain and bitch. The other side NEVER acts like this!! They use their loss as a energy pill to get their side out to the polls.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)But, we're still way ahead. Obama will be more animated next time.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)and early voting in Ohio and Iowa have been strong for dems. There are posts on all of these things in this forum. Seek them out and don't panic. It was just one bad debate. There are three more.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Just do it, y'know, over there where we don't have to watch you. It's a little embarrassing.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)That doesn't mean it will continue until election day. Four weeks is a long time, especially with two more Presidential debates on tap. As the guy from Princeton pointed out, there were more swings back and forth, and by bigger margins, in the later stages of the 2004 campaign than what we've seen here. Plus, remember that what may be true for the nation as a whole may not be so for the swing states, as the two staffers pointed out in Halperin's Time article yesterday. Out here in non-swing-land, the only thing in the political news is the debate (and its aftermath); in places like Ohio, where you have heavy TV advertising and campaign rallies almost every day, the "Romney's win changed everything" narrative might not apply as it would in, say, Oregon or Missouri.
creon
(1,183 posts)Concerned, energized, concentrated and motivated.
Panic is harmful to all of those above.
Acquire your target, and fire for effect.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)stay right here.
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MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)Cannikin
(8,359 posts)at least, that's how I do it.
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)Except play right into the Republican perception that Dems are weak and cowardly, without the will to fight back?
"Don't dwell on what went wrong. Instead, focus on what to do next. Spend your energies on moving forward toward finding the answer."
Denis Waitley.
"Success is almost totally dependent upon DRIVE and PERSISTENCE. The extra energy required to make another effort or try another approach is the secret of winning."
Denis Waitley.
I'm not trying to blow useless sunshine up your skirt. I'm saying take your panic (nervous energy, worry, whatever) and channel it into something that will help get President Obama re-elected.
Presidentcokedupfratboy
(1,054 posts)I apologize for it. But things are tightening and Obama and Biden MUST point out the inconsitencies in the Mittbot's positions pre-and post-debate.
budkin
(6,703 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)do you call this motivational???
Obama won the debate, will win the election, case closed.
If one is going to motivate-they have to be positive.
BTW, please name me one Obama voter switching side(with proof).
If Obama had the votes two weeks ago, show me the voters who have switched(in real terms not in polls.)
A winner projects winning. Shame on Rachel and Ed debate night.
Don't lead people on that you are on our side if you aren't there when needed to cheerlead.
which is all you should be doing.
BTW-why are there election 2004 theft stories in the news today?
Why? Because the mainstream media wants to project that elections itself are phony, which only goes to delegitimize Obama/Biden.
Any negative story hurts Obama/Biden. ANY .