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The perception that Romney is leading (Original Post) Presidentcokedupfratboy Oct 2012 OP
Never Time To Panic, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2012 #1
+1 hrmjustin Oct 2012 #28
Rec!!!! lunatica Oct 2012 #30
It's total BS, but a lot of people are buying into it because they're disposed to panic leveymg Oct 2012 #2
'a few complicit pollsters' TroyD Oct 2012 #3
The outliers are. Most of the polls show only a 2-3 percent temporary change, about what you would leveymg Oct 2012 #6
You mean like Gravis Marketing? thevoiceofreason Oct 2012 #13
perhaps sweetapogee Oct 2012 #4
I've always seen that the Obama team doesn't respond well to unexpected events. leveymg Oct 2012 #15
care to elaborate DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #29
Are you looking for a list of targeted netroots, "f-cking morons", and related? leveymg Oct 2012 #32
I magree about the workers DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #33
I think Krugman and Stiglitz are unutilized national treasures, and the fact that they have not leveymg Oct 2012 #35
I woul like to believe you but Presidentcokedupfratboy Oct 2012 #5
'what happens when you take your opponent too lightly' TroyD Oct 2012 #10
Again, take that nervous energy and put it to good use. Make some phone call. Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #14
That was a case of being overly-cautious and protecting a lead by falling on the ball. leveymg Oct 2012 #17
I see your analogy and raise ya one DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #34
The problem is that they have on the television, and the Corporate Media wants a close race Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #16
Nobody liked the way that game was played. It was boring to watch. leveymg Oct 2012 #18
The president will be fine. Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #22
State polls haven't been bad. He's ahead in Ohio WI_DEM Oct 2012 #7
Yes, by all means, panic alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #8
He may well be leading...at the moment regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #9
I do not do panic. creon Oct 2012 #11
Take that panic and GET TO WORK!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #12
no worries, it's expensive 'paid push poll perception panic' We're all going to vote and O will Sunlei Oct 2012 #19
why waste everyone's time with a thread like this? MjolnirTime Oct 2012 #20
Don't panic. Gather your facts and seize control of the online conversation.... Cannikin Oct 2012 #21
What exactly does panic accomplish? GallopingGhost Oct 2012 #23
"Panic" wasn't the right word. Presidentcokedupfratboy Oct 2012 #24
Where have you been for the last week. That meme is finally subsiding budkin Oct 2012 #25
no, don't get sucked in. Whisp Oct 2012 #26
Anyone reading in would think DU is leading the perception with the depressing threads. graham4anything Oct 2012 #27
One has to hope the party of people who care about things outside themselves care enough to vote. MatthewStLouis Oct 2012 #31
"DON'T PANIC" HopeHoops Oct 2012 #36

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. It's total BS, but a lot of people are buying into it because they're disposed to panic
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:28 AM
Oct 2012

There's no way that one debate could completely shift a 6-8 point national lead. Romney's campaign has been a disaster for months and months. This sudden shift is all about media spin, a few complicit pollsters, and a lot of public anxiety.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
6. The outliers are. Most of the polls show only a 2-3 percent temporary change, about what you would
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:35 AM
Oct 2012

expect. This too shall pass.

thevoiceofreason

(3,440 posts)
13. You mean like Gravis Marketing?
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:38 AM
Oct 2012

Who no one has heard of, no one knows, and who no one has received a phone call?

sweetapogee

(1,168 posts)
4. perhaps
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:33 AM
Oct 2012

but many in the undecided middle see the Obama campaign having moved from offense to defense in the last week.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
15. I've always seen that the Obama team doesn't respond well to unexpected events.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:40 AM
Oct 2012

They have some excellent strategists, but they are so centralized that they are inflexible and slow to adapt. They're clumsy on the tactical side because they don't listen to the grassroots and do everything possible to kill rather than promote mavericks.

You can see it in the way they've dealt with the smartest netroots dissidents.

They're also overly-conservative ideologically and overly-cautious in their movements.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
29. care to elaborate
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:21 PM
Oct 2012

for example,who are these msartest dissidents? If you mean Cenk, that might be one thing, if youmean FDL, Jane is gearing for Hillary 2016, and I look forward to her flips flopswhen Hillary reveals herselfto be centre-right.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
32. Are you looking for a list of targeted netroots, "f-cking morons", and related?
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:42 PM
Oct 2012

Let's start with a Nobel Prize winner - the one for Economics. Paul Krugman consistently sits at the top of every poll of most influential liberals.

What exactly does OFA think they stand to gain by ridiculing Krugman as a “political rookie,” a hysterical “fanatic” and an “idealogue”? Do they think they hold so much sway with liberals that they can discredit Krugman and thus neutralize his criticism?

That's atop what the Administration has done for its traditional grassroots base, beginning in Nov 2010 when Obama, in the first of several moves to get out ahead of the new Republican majority in the House, announced:

Today I’m proposing a two-year pay freeze for all civilian federal workers. This would save $2 billion over the rest of this fiscal year and $28 billion in cumulative savings over the next five years. And I want to be clear: This freeze does not apply to the men and women of our Armed Forces, who along with their families continue to bear enormous burdens with our nation at war.

The public employee unions are the biggest institutional backers of the Democratic Party.


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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
33. I magree about the workers
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:52 PM
Oct 2012

But Krugman, as much as I love him, eagerly courts his fights. He knows he gets to be paid to be the guy that yells at Obama. I would not mind him replacing Geitner, but that is because Geitner stinks, though frankly I would rather have Joseph Stiglitz in there; his credentials sing, and he has more experience than Krugman in actually solving problems.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
35. I think Krugman and Stiglitz are unutilized national treasures, and the fact that they have not
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:56 PM
Oct 2012

gotten the call tells me a lot about where this Administration stands on real economic issues. Anyway, someone once said, "you can't fight and expect to win with your left arm tied behind your back."

5. I woul like to believe you but
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:35 AM
Oct 2012

Obama really f--ked up. This is what happens when you take your opponent too lightly. I'm really nervous. Biden has got to come through.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
10. 'what happens when you take your opponent too lightly'
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

Why do you think they took Mitt so lightly?

Btw, on another thread Obama is conceding today that he was 'too polite' with Romney last week, so maybe that's a good sign he will fight back next time.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
14. Again, take that nervous energy and put it to good use. Make some phone call.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:39 AM
Oct 2012

Canvass. I know you're in NY, but you can make calls to OH and PA, right?

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Gibbs: Obama Will Bring ‘Different Game’ To Next Debate
Source: tpm

Robert Gibbs, adviser to the Obama campaign, promised supporters that President Obama would turn in a very different debate performance in his second debate against Mitt Romney and to channel their "nervous energy" into helping re-elect President Obama during an appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" Wednesday.

"This president's going to bring a much different game to this debate," Gibbs said, referring to the Oct. 16 presidential debate. "I guarantee you you'll see an energetic, enthusiastic president in that next debate."

Gibbs also asked supporters to get involved.

"I would tell them to take whatever nervous energy they have and whatever hand-wringing they will do over the next 24 to 48 hours and put that into a real effort to get this president re-elected," Gibbs said, referring to Obama supporters. "Get out there and register somebody to vote. Go to a phone bank. Make sure you tell your friends what's at sake in this race… Let's go out there and stop hand wringing and get to work."

Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gibbs-obama-will-bring-different-game-to-next

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
17. That was a case of being overly-cautious and protecting a lead by falling on the ball.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:43 AM
Oct 2012

Nobody liked the way that game was played - the crowd, the commentators, and the folks at home all booed during the entire second half of the game.

Sorry about the sports analogy, but it seems the most apt.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
34. I see your analogy and raise ya one
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:56 PM
Oct 2012

Obama played defense, defending a lead, as you said. Mitt got himself hopped up on crystal meth and steroids, and made it clear to the referee that he was going to lose his job, him and his team Mascot, big bird. He won only because the crowd was made up of a bunch of rednecks that could not care about the game, but wanted an excuse to get wasted and see a what Justice Thomas would call "the high-tech lynching of an uppity black."

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
16. The problem is that they have on the television, and the Corporate Media wants a close race
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:40 AM
Oct 2012

I say, turn off the fucking t.v. and pick up the fucking phone.

We liberals like to sit around and complain and bitch. The other side NEVER acts like this!! They use their loss as a energy pill to get their side out to the polls.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
18. Nobody liked the way that game was played. It was boring to watch.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:49 AM
Oct 2012

But, we're still way ahead. Obama will be more animated next time.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
7. State polls haven't been bad. He's ahead in Ohio
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:35 AM
Oct 2012

and early voting in Ohio and Iowa have been strong for dems. There are posts on all of these things in this forum. Seek them out and don't panic. It was just one bad debate. There are three more.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
8. Yes, by all means, panic
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

Just do it, y'know, over there where we don't have to watch you. It's a little embarrassing.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
9. He may well be leading...at the moment
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

That doesn't mean it will continue until election day. Four weeks is a long time, especially with two more Presidential debates on tap. As the guy from Princeton pointed out, there were more swings back and forth, and by bigger margins, in the later stages of the 2004 campaign than what we've seen here. Plus, remember that what may be true for the nation as a whole may not be so for the swing states, as the two staffers pointed out in Halperin's Time article yesterday. Out here in non-swing-land, the only thing in the political news is the debate (and its aftermath); in places like Ohio, where you have heavy TV advertising and campaign rallies almost every day, the "Romney's win changed everything" narrative might not apply as it would in, say, Oregon or Missouri.

creon

(1,183 posts)
11. I do not do panic.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

Concerned, energized, concentrated and motivated.
Panic is harmful to all of those above.
Acquire your target, and fire for effect.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
19. no worries, it's expensive 'paid push poll perception panic' We're all going to vote and O will
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:50 AM
Oct 2012

stay right here.

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GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
23. What exactly does panic accomplish?
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:57 AM
Oct 2012

Except play right into the Republican perception that Dems are weak and cowardly, without the will to fight back?

"Don't dwell on what went wrong. Instead, focus on what to do next. Spend your energies on moving forward toward finding the answer."
Denis Waitley.

"Success is almost totally dependent upon DRIVE and PERSISTENCE. The extra energy required to make another effort or try another approach is the secret of winning."
Denis Waitley.

I'm not trying to blow useless sunshine up your skirt. I'm saying take your panic (nervous energy, worry, whatever) and channel it into something that will help get President Obama re-elected.

24. "Panic" wasn't the right word.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:53 PM
Oct 2012

I apologize for it. But things are tightening and Obama and Biden MUST point out the inconsitencies in the Mittbot's positions pre-and post-debate.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
27. Anyone reading in would think DU is leading the perception with the depressing threads.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:11 PM
Oct 2012

do you call this motivational???

Obama won the debate, will win the election, case closed.

If one is going to motivate-they have to be positive.

BTW, please name me one Obama voter switching side(with proof).
If Obama had the votes two weeks ago, show me the voters who have switched(in real terms not in polls.)

A winner projects winning. Shame on Rachel and Ed debate night.
Don't lead people on that you are on our side if you aren't there when needed to cheerlead.

which is all you should be doing.

BTW-why are there election 2004 theft stories in the news today?
Why? Because the mainstream media wants to project that elections itself are phony, which only goes to delegitimize Obama/Biden.
Any negative story hurts Obama/Biden. ANY .

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