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It comes down to this... (Original Post) Bubzer Feb 2016 OP
Recommend. Cleita Feb 2016 #1
You can get Medicare in Estonia? 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #2
This was actually the issue that tipped the scales for me to totally support Bernie. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #3
Too many 1% Dems...nt freebrew Feb 2016 #4
Exactly right. Bubzer Feb 2016 #7
Universal Health Care peggysue2 Feb 2016 #10
Right...that's why she's saying we can totally get Universal Health Care...oh...wait...no she isn't. Bubzer Feb 2016 #11
mmhmm. She just real about it. She knows she can't do it and won't try. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #12
No, she supports Universal health INSURANCE. Big difference. basselope Feb 2016 #19
+1 Bubzer Feb 2016 #27
Universal if you can afford it Armstead Feb 2016 #21
Fingers in ones ears. "La-la-la-la-la NO WE CAN'T!!!" longship Feb 2016 #5
On that issue alone, Hillary all the way. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #6
"Realistic"... code for: She'll settle for what the corporate masters will allow Bubzer Feb 2016 #8
Wall Street's Representative says not possible. jalan48 Feb 2016 #9
Can anyone explain as to what is "too hard"? SmittynMo Feb 2016 #13
She don't wanna do it. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #14
Again,,,,, SmittynMo Feb 2016 #17
Hey, we don't want to hurt those execs barely getting by in the private appalachiablue Feb 2016 #20
Reminds me of this scene; Bubzer Feb 2016 #30
The way it works as Michael Moore's 'Sicko' reveals. All about the money honey. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #34
Agreed. I find it horrifying that the system is as bad as it is. Bubzer Feb 2016 #36
Just think, if we implement this in 2017, SmittynMo Feb 2016 #32
That would be outstanding, much financial relief & good would come from the savings. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #35
Very nice post. A Simple Game Feb 2016 #15
So you're answer to how can we do it HillDawg Feb 2016 #18
If the Democrats fought the GOP as hard as they fight AGAINST liberalism... Armstead Feb 2016 #24
There's a thought- appalachiablue Feb 2016 #29
K&R MissDeeds Feb 2016 #16
"if we all stand together" sounds like Obama in 2008. Lesson learned nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #22
We all want the same thing, yet they azmom Feb 2016 #23
K and R bigwillq Feb 2016 #25
Like Clinton, I think we get to universal coverage and even single payer faster by building Hoyt Feb 2016 #26
The ACA is fundamentally flawed Armstead Feb 2016 #31
Actually it does not, especially if you add a public option to it now that the really heavy Hoyt Feb 2016 #33
Tell you what. If Clinton and the Ciongressional Democrats develop the intestinal fortitude to.... Armstead Feb 2016 #37
K & R. Great post. The block is the private, for-profit 'health care industries' appalachiablue Feb 2016 #28

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. Recommend.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:14 PM
Feb 2016

It's complicated, we can't do it rhetoric shouldn't be coming out of the mouth of a US President, nor a candidate for the Presidency. That's not leadership

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
3. This was actually the issue that tipped the scales for me to totally support Bernie.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:15 PM
Feb 2016

Once the Clinton faction started mocking Sanders for a position that's been at the core of Democratic goals since FDR and Truman, I'd had enough.

How could any Democrat oppose fighting for universal health care? Even if the republicans are going to block it, you've got to fight. Eventually you will win. If you don't fight, guess what?

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
11. Right...that's why she's saying we can totally get Universal Health Care...oh...wait...no she isn't.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:20 PM
Feb 2016

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
12. mmhmm. She just real about it. She knows she can't do it and won't try.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:22 PM
Feb 2016

Good thing we have Bernie and his public financing of higher education so we can give it the old college try.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
13. Can anyone explain as to what is "too hard"?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:22 PM
Feb 2016

This is the 21st Century. It shouldn't be we can't do it. It should be why haven't we done it yet?

Anything else is total ignorance, which again leads me to the one I support.

YES WE CAN!!!!

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
20. Hey, we don't want to hurt those execs barely getting by in the private
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:05 PM
Feb 2016

for profit health insurance and Big Pharma industries, and their families, lobbyists and shareholders. C'mon.

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
34. The way it works as Michael Moore's 'Sicko' reveals. All about the money honey.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

Shareholders and profit rule. Remember 'dead peasant' life ins. policies in 'Sicko'?
In 2003, I was having difficulty with a medical claim for a relative's procedure and a friend recommended a nurse who helped get it processed and approved. I remember her saying she used to work 'on the other side' in benefits.

Years later I realized she meant oking or denying claims; I didn't know the industry was that bad at the time. It's really escalated in the last 10+ years, horrible. Something has to be done, the US is failing big in this area and others.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
36. Agreed. I find it horrifying that the system is as bad as it is.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:13 PM
Feb 2016

The idea of profit from pain nauseates me.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
32. Just think, if we implement this in 2017,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

the taxpayers immediately receive a savings of at least 46 BILLION (their profits in 2015)

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
35. That would be outstanding, much financial relief & good would come from the savings.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:54 PM
Feb 2016

Hope I live to see it.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
15. Very nice post.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:27 PM
Feb 2016
This is the 21st Century. It shouldn't be we can't do it. It should be why haven't we done it yet?

Very nicely done, I may have to borrow that now and then if you don't mind.
 

HillDawg

(198 posts)
18. So you're answer to how can we do it
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:42 PM
Feb 2016

Is that it's the 21th century? Yeah, let's see Bernie propose that on to a Republican Congress.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. Like Clinton, I think we get to universal coverage and even single payer faster by building
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:13 PM
Feb 2016

upon ACA. Otherwise, we risk getting nothing better than a voucher system, if that.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
31. The ACA is fundamentally flawed
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:28 PM
Feb 2016

It assumes that private insurance will forever be the foundation of health coverage. And it forces peope to buy their shitty product.

It has set up a complicated and frustrating bureaucracy. It throws people into the shadows. It throws many others into the twilight zone of uncertainty, financial hardship and under-coverage.

It's universal coverage IF you can afford it and don't slip through the cracks.

We may be stuck with it until we set up something better,. But it sucks.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
33. Actually it does not, especially if you add a public option to it now that the really heavy
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:42 PM
Feb 2016

lifting is over. Ad long as we have the current Congress and over 40% opposed to giving up their health plan, Medicare for all won't happen anymore than Sanders can claim cancer is beaten.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
37. Tell you what. If Clinton and the Ciongressional Democrats develop the intestinal fortitude to....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:49 PM
Feb 2016

actually propose and fight the GOP to the wall for a public option, I'll buy you a brand new car.

Er, not that, but I'll happily eat a heaping helping of crow.

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
28. K & R. Great post. The block is the private, for-profit 'health care industries'
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:20 PM
Feb 2016

of course, ultraconservatism, profound anti-govt. and free market policies and propaganda. The tiresome but convenient excuse of the GOP controlled Congress wouldn't be a factor if the DNC and Dem. Party were doing a better job on campaigns, candidates, elections and voter turnout.
The biased, RW, corporate junk Media that's deteriorated mostly from deregulation since Reagan, then Clinton's 1996 Telecom Act is responsible for plenty of the opposition and ignorance.

The US operates 1,000 military bases around the world. We can do single-payer health care.

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