2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt comes down to this...
We can either try, or give up cause its just too hard
Cleita
(75,480 posts)It's complicated, we can't do it rhetoric shouldn't be coming out of the mouth of a US President, nor a candidate for the Presidency. That's not leadership
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)They must not have a tea bagger governor.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Once the Clinton faction started mocking Sanders for a position that's been at the core of Democratic goals since FDR and Truman, I'd had enough.
How could any Democrat oppose fighting for universal health care? Even if the republicans are going to block it, you've got to fight. Eventually you will win. If you don't fight, guess what?
freebrew
(1,917 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)peggysue2
(10,839 posts)Is something Hillary Clinton supports. In case you missed it.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Good thing we have Bernie and his public financing of higher education so we can give it the old college try.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)nt
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)She's realistic. Sanders is dishonest about the issue.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)jalan48
(13,886 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)This is the 21st Century. It shouldn't be we can't do it. It should be why haven't we done it yet?
Anything else is total ignorance, which again leads me to the one I support.
YES WE CAN!!!!
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)What is so frickin hard?
appalachiablue
(41,174 posts)for profit health insurance and Big Pharma industries, and their families, lobbyists and shareholders. C'mon.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)appalachiablue
(41,174 posts)Shareholders and profit rule. Remember 'dead peasant' life ins. policies in 'Sicko'?
In 2003, I was having difficulty with a medical claim for a relative's procedure and a friend recommended a nurse who helped get it processed and approved. I remember her saying she used to work 'on the other side' in benefits.
Years later I realized she meant oking or denying claims; I didn't know the industry was that bad at the time. It's really escalated in the last 10+ years, horrible. Something has to be done, the US is failing big in this area and others.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)The idea of profit from pain nauseates me.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)the taxpayers immediately receive a savings of at least 46 BILLION (their profits in 2015)
appalachiablue
(41,174 posts)Hope I live to see it.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Very nicely done, I may have to borrow that now and then if you don't mind.
HillDawg
(198 posts)Is that it's the 21th century? Yeah, let's see Bernie propose that on to a Republican Congress.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)we could do it.
appalachiablue
(41,174 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Use our own weaknesses to divide us. Fuckers.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)upon ACA. Otherwise, we risk getting nothing better than a voucher system, if that.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It assumes that private insurance will forever be the foundation of health coverage. And it forces peope to buy their shitty product.
It has set up a complicated and frustrating bureaucracy. It throws people into the shadows. It throws many others into the twilight zone of uncertainty, financial hardship and under-coverage.
It's universal coverage IF you can afford it and don't slip through the cracks.
We may be stuck with it until we set up something better,. But it sucks.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)lifting is over. Ad long as we have the current Congress and over 40% opposed to giving up their health plan, Medicare for all won't happen anymore than Sanders can claim cancer is beaten.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)actually propose and fight the GOP to the wall for a public option, I'll buy you a brand new car.
Er, not that, but I'll happily eat a heaping helping of crow.
appalachiablue
(41,174 posts)of course, ultraconservatism, profound anti-govt. and free market policies and propaganda. The tiresome but convenient excuse of the GOP controlled Congress wouldn't be a factor if the DNC and Dem. Party were doing a better job on campaigns, candidates, elections and voter turnout.
The biased, RW, corporate junk Media that's deteriorated mostly from deregulation since Reagan, then Clinton's 1996 Telecom Act is responsible for plenty of the opposition and ignorance.
The US operates 1,000 military bases around the world. We can do single-payer health care.