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Nanjeanne

(4,979 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:12 PM Feb 2016

Amy Goodman Tells CNN Host: Stop Your 'Obsession With Polls' And Report On 'People's Records'

God I love that woman!

Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman told CNN host Brian Stelter on Sunday that his network should focus less on presidential polls and more on candidates' records.

"The media is so commercial, it's so driven by corporate interests," Goodman explained to Stelter during an interview on CNN's Reliable Sources. "And it's so important though that people recognize that there is a whole independent media world out there."

"We do not emphasize the polls," she pointed out. "I would love the media, there to be a month without polls. What is the value of these polls? If I am making a decision about a candidate, I want to weigh their record."


<SNIP>

"People should just count the times that every network flashes the polls," she remarked. "Are we telling people what to think?"


http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/amy-goodman-tells-cnn-host-stop-obsession
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Amy Goodman Tells CNN Host: Stop Your 'Obsession With Polls' And Report On 'People's Records' (Original Post) Nanjeanne Feb 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #1
Well she's an extraordinary investigative journalist - but hey she's no Chuck Todd. To each his own Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #2
Well she's an extraordinary investigative journalist AlbertCat Feb 2016 #30
I think you meant to respond to stopbush since I said the same thing only used Chuckie Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #33
My intent was to agree with you AlbertCat Feb 2016 #46
The polls will never change my vote. erlewyne Feb 2016 #35
And Thom Hartman n/t OxQQme Feb 2016 #39
+1 LOL TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #57
Hey, there's NOBODY like Chuck Todd! dchill Feb 2016 #90
Yet that woman delves into facts that you prefer not to know I suppose nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #3
Say what? noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #6
And is she fun to have a beer with? That's my criteria. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #69
Ha ha pdsimdars Feb 2016 #7
Wow! RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #12
I guess she doesn't flash enough thigh for you tularetom Feb 2016 #17
What's that sexist remark got to do with it? stopbush Feb 2016 #20
Hey, I'm not the one who watches TV news just to oogle the girls on there tularetom Feb 2016 #32
+1 TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #62
+1 kristopher Feb 2016 #95
Are you saying I find Cenk more effective because AlbertCat Feb 2016 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #53
"Cenk is more effective " Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #65
Really? I do happen to listen to the radio version of Democracy Now! SheilaT Feb 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #22
Maybe you should try her on the radio. SheilaT Feb 2016 #27
And you can also watch her on FSTV or LINK TV too, if you have satellite TV or COMCAST in your area cascadiance Feb 2016 #58
wow. In this world of smoke, mirrors and marketing, you want more flash. unbelievable! bbgrunt Feb 2016 #36
Amy Goodman's intelligence and careful delivery works with those of us who are JDPriestly Feb 2016 #52
What Are You Talking About? erpowers Feb 2016 #54
you seem to confuse some real journalists from mere entertainers... islandmkl Feb 2016 #56
Exactly Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #78
Silly Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #76
What objective measure do you base that allegation on? LanternWaste Feb 2016 #87
That is bizarre comment. Where again do you anchor the TV news? n/t xocet Feb 2016 #11
WTF, seriously? Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #13
And well-spoken too! She was highly effective at communicating her point. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #43
Wow. Way to speak down to women. That'll help your candidate. frylock Feb 2016 #16
Gee whiz, maybe if she piled makeup on and went blonde? modestybl Feb 2016 #23
Like Cenk does? stopbush Feb 2016 #25
What does Cenk have to do with your sexist bullcrap? modestybl Feb 2016 #29
What does Cenk have to do with your sexist bullcrap? AlbertCat Feb 2016 #38
Yeah, because beedle Feb 2016 #41
plus 1 n/t questionseverything Feb 2016 #93
Great lady PatrynXX Feb 2016 #44
Yep, you're a prototypical Hillary supporter alright whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #48
She is great!!!!!! JDPriestly Feb 2016 #51
Okay Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #63
Hahaha! Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #70
Who are you? Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #74
"No TV presence at all." bulloney Feb 2016 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #86
Maybe you should look at your writing skills. bulloney Feb 2016 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #89
Yep. Why can't she be more like Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump, or the Governator? mhatrw Feb 2016 #77
probably the best reporter in America today. rurallib Feb 2016 #84
So let's compare.... mwooldri Feb 2016 #85
Who the frak cares how she looks? Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #92
Of course you don't ...She has a bad habit of Telling the Truth Armstead Feb 2016 #94
She makes an excellent point. Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #4
Listen to the words of wisdom and truth... Democracy Now! kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #5
Amy Goodman is a national treasure tularetom Feb 2016 #8
Maybe that's part of the problem... brooklynite Feb 2016 #10
who said anything about limit? Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #15
Way to put words in the poster's mouth. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #40
Yeahup, you have to wonder if it was natural talent.... daleanime Feb 2016 #79
Maybe that's part of the problem... AlbertCat Feb 2016 #42
Unless, of course, you worked for corporate media AND you watched it as well! mhatrw Feb 2016 #80
Who here works for corporate media? brooklynite Feb 2016 #82
yeah-- I agree. I listen to the podcast. Great way to get non-corporate news every weekday. Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #14
^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Feb 2016 #21
Absolutely a National Treasure. kenn3d Feb 2016 #68
Agreed Cryptoad Feb 2016 #18
I don't see giving authority for military action... modestybl Feb 2016 #24
I'm sorry is this something Amy Goodman said? Or is this in the wrong thread Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #26
She makes a fair point bluestateguy Feb 2016 #28
The 24/7 cable news programs fill the airwaves with polls so they can hear themselves talk Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #31
Amy is one of few UglyGreed Feb 2016 #37
Well, after making the rounds today on all the "progressive" "liberal" boards today, Jitter65 Feb 2016 #45
Citing polls smacks of sporting event mentality loyalsister Feb 2016 #47
There's a reason they call it the horse-race approach to politics. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #83
She is entirely correct... tabasco Feb 2016 #49
I Agree erpowers Feb 2016 #50
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #55
I hope they listen to her. spooky3 Feb 2016 #59
Seems the polls have become the modern crystal ball. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2016 #60
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #61
She's the best! jalan48 Feb 2016 #64
Why? Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #66
Because she tells the truth... kenn3d Feb 2016 #71
My golly tho Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #73
Odd ... they were once all the rage around here ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #67
Democracy Now! is NOW 20 years old... Thank you, Amy Goodman... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #72
Well, Amy, corporate American does not want us to weigh their record. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #81

Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
30. Well she's an extraordinary investigative journalist
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

She's amazing.


If you want tap dancing...watch Wolf Blitzer.

If you want stories read without trauma and drama, watch Amy do her excellent delivery.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
46. My intent was to agree with you
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:43 PM
Feb 2016

The "you" is meant in the "one" sense

"If one wants tap dancing...watch Woolfie."


Like I posted downstream.... Amy reminds me of the news when I was a kid in the 60's (except of course they were all male journalists)

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
35. The polls will never change my vote.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:32 PM
Feb 2016

All I see on TV any more are gold diggers.
Even Rachel.

Except for Big Ed and tht Young Turks.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
6. Say what?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:24 PM
Feb 2016

Yeah, after all the most important thing about reporting the news is whether you have the right "TV presence" No wonder people are so ill informed.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
69. And is she fun to have a beer with? That's my criteria.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:41 PM
Feb 2016

Amy is one the top investigative journalists. When possible I follow Democracy Now!, an exceptional news venue.

I miss Bill Moyers on PBS too, what a legend who still writes and has a website.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
7. Ha ha
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:24 PM
Feb 2016

She does make it hard to live in a fact-free fantasy world, when she keeps pushing truth at you.
On her show, she got everything right about Iraq and the war BEFORE we invaded. Every lie the Bush administration told about it, she had the experts at the center on her show the next day to dispel their myths.
Yes, people who want to make up their own reality and confuse others with propaganda, I can see how they don't like her and criticize her hair style, etc. What depth you show!

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
9. Wow!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:25 PM
Feb 2016

I guess I never fully grasped just how shallow and superficial some people's decision making processes are.

The fact that you posted without embarrassment (God bless ya for doing so. After all, it's allegedly still a free country) speaks volumes.

Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #9)

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
17. I guess she doesn't flash enough thigh for you
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:57 PM
Feb 2016

You can probably find what you're looking for on Fox.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
20. What's that sexist remark got to do with it?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:08 PM
Feb 2016

Are you saying I find Cenk more effective because he flashes more thigh? Are you expressing your opinion on Amy's looks?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
32. Hey, I'm not the one who watches TV news just to oogle the girls on there
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:24 PM
Feb 2016

But I am sort of amused that you would include a hack morning zoo DJ like Stephanie Miller on your list of effective media spokespersons.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
34. Are you saying I find Cenk more effective because
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:26 PM
Feb 2016

Well, he sure is less business like....more public access. Amy is more serious.... and I would believe her more.

But, y'know....different strokes....

Response to AlbertCat (Reply #34)

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
19. Really? I do happen to listen to the radio version of Democracy Now!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:05 PM
Feb 2016

In fact I wake up to it every morning. It's also a TV broadcast which also seems to be highly effective.

Her recital of facts every single day is astounding.

Response to SheilaT (Reply #19)

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
27. Maybe you should try her on the radio.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:21 PM
Feb 2016

If you're sufficiently distracted by the visuals as to not really hear her message, just listening might be the way to go.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
58. And you can also watch her on FSTV or LINK TV too, if you have satellite TV or COMCAST in your area
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:26 PM
Feb 2016

... hasn't censored those channels from you there.

Democracy Now is s very professionally run news program, and she tries to be less opinionated on that show to report the news that no one else in the corporate media does.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
52. Amy Goodman's intelligence and careful delivery works with those of us who are
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

well educated.

I can't stand regular TV. A bunch of liars. The glitz completely turns me off.

To each his own.

I adore Amy Goodman. She focuses on the story and not on her makeup.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
54. What Are You Talking About?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:17 PM
Feb 2016

Amy Goodman is just as effective, if not better, at delivering her viewpoint on TV as the people you listed. What are you looking for/at in terms of delivering one's viewpoint? How do you see Goodman as looking like a fish out of water?

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
56. you seem to confuse some real journalists from mere entertainers...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:21 PM
Feb 2016

Cenk, Katrina, Ezra...yes...but most talk show hosts and talking heads are just that...talking...

Amy is about nothing but the deep facts...and people always find some reason to diminish those facts by some other criteria...

her supposed 'lack of effectiveness' is due to lack of exposure...so some people only get the 'news' they can digest without too much thought...definitely not her game...

she has the enduring satisfaction of knowing she told us all...and because we didn't care for the messenger many of us didn't see what was going on...nor, apparently, did we really want to see...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
87. What objective measure do you base that allegation on?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:23 AM
Feb 2016

"her lack of effectiveness delivering the same in the TV medium..."

What objective measure do you base that allegation on?

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
23. Gee whiz, maybe if she piled makeup on and went blonde?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:12 PM
Feb 2016

...that might look more "professional"? We've internalized the FoxNewsBabe norm...

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
25. Like Cenk does?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:15 PM
Feb 2016

Nice try, but that has nothing to do with it. That comment arises from your biases, not anything I said.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
29. What does Cenk have to do with your sexist bullcrap?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

Amy Goodman does hardcore straight-up, in depth news. That it doesn't jive well with the current short-attention span aspect of our culture hardly makes her "non-professional"...

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
38. What does Cenk have to do with your sexist bullcrap?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:34 PM
Feb 2016

He likes Cenk's show better.

I think Amy Goodman is like the news.... y'know, Garrick Utley, or David Brinkley

Cent is like Wayne's World by comparison. It's totally excellent.... but not as serious.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
41. Yeah, because
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:36 PM
Feb 2016

That was the whole point of the thread, to component on her "style"

Good job derailing threads. Are you a professional?

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
44. Great lady
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:40 PM
Feb 2016

who managed to get beaten up alot with Faux News yet Faux News seemed offended in the Twin Cities that one year they were getting beaten up at all. Brave lady..

 

Bangbangdem

(140 posts)
63. Okay
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:35 PM
Feb 2016

No TV presence? Hahahahaha. Is that all you have? Have you listened to her words? Who are you? Where do you work?

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
75. "No TV presence at all."
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:18 PM
Feb 2016

Goodman may not be some pretty little bimbo in a short, low-cut dress like you see on the other MSM all of the time, but she has more journalistic integrity than the so-called reporters in the said networks COMBINED.

That's the problem I have with the major "news" networks - everything is sex and superficial appearances with no investigative journalistic substance. That's why stories on the Kardashians and other celebrity freak shows dominate and lead their newscasts.

Response to bulloney (Reply #75)

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
88. Maybe you should look at your writing skills.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:20 AM
Feb 2016

The fact that so many people are having similar reactions to your comment tells me that your "I'm right and the rest of the world is wrong" perspective may need a review.

Response to bulloney (Reply #88)

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
77. Yep. Why can't she be more like Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump, or the Governator?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016

No entertainment value!

rurallib

(62,448 posts)
84. probably the best reporter in America today.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:06 PM
Feb 2016

Her delivery is carefully unemotional so as not to lead people.
Most American reporters are scared of her I believe because her knowledge is so deep and broad. Hard to slip one by her.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
85. So let's compare....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:19 PM
Feb 2016

Amy Goodman....



And let's compare her to some journalists and news readers that I admire. Sorry, it's heavily BBC because that's what I grew up with and what I watch and listen to even now here in NC.

Lyse Doucet... (Chief International Correspondent, BBC)



Razia Iqbal.... (BBC World Service Radio - Newshour)



Nuala McGovern... (Outside Source - BBC World News (TV & Radio))



Katty Kay (BBC World News America) ... sonmeone



John Simpson, BBC Editor... sorry it's an old photo from 2001...



No joke, but I assure you it's him. A more recent picture...



Probably my favourite news presenter: Jeremy Paxman... here is why:



A more recent picture...



A lady I saw a lot in the 1980's reading the news... Moira Stewart.



And a more recent picture...



If I were to be a judge on looks alone I'd say she looks better now than in the 1980's.

Fortunately Americans were not subject to the output of local UK TV. For example, here is someone on BBC Nationwide - a 1970's early evening news program - from their Leeds studio.



Sorry - I came across that picture and couldn't resist. Another one from the archives - this time Southern Television's Sarah Kennedy reading the news... she was more a TV presenter than a journalist but her first on-screen job was at Southern.



A more recent picture... Sarah showing off her medal when she was awarded the MBE by Lizzie Windsor (ny nickname for Queen Elizabeth).



Though Sarah Kennedy is more of a presenter than a journalist but my point in posting all these pics is simple...

you can't judge a person based on image alone. The news I grew up with (BBC, ITV (Southern & London)) the news readers and journalists were never known for being fashion icons or in some cases being particularly easy on the eye. I haven't included any pictures of current people on CNN, Fake News Channel or MSNBC as most people here can readily turn on their TV and see who's on now.

As for Amy Goodman... though I don't watch her show, I respect what she does - and her work is of BBC quality in my opinion.

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
91. Who the frak cares how she looks?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

She delivers some of the best information and has done so tirelessly for years and you're concerned about her "TV presence"? The frak is wrong with you?

Response to Stand and Fight (Reply #91)

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
8. Amy Goodman is a national treasure
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:25 PM
Feb 2016

I doubt if 1/10 of 1% of Americans even know who she is. I watch her on Free Speech TV every chance I get and I rarely if ever find myself disagreeing with her.

brooklynite

(94,729 posts)
10. Maybe that's part of the problem...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

....I would never limit myself to voices that completely agree with me.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
42. Maybe that's part of the problem...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:38 PM
Feb 2016

What problem? There isn't a problem.

Who said anything about limiting one's self?


But your superiority over us peons is noted and will be appropriately filed.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
80. Unless, of course, you worked for corporate media AND you watched it as well!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:39 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Never the facts, ma'am! Anything but the facts!

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
14. yeah-- I agree. I listen to the podcast. Great way to get non-corporate news every weekday.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:51 PM
Feb 2016

I have to admire how much she puts into the job, and she is there, day in and day out. Always with great humanity and poise.

kenn3d

(486 posts)
68. Absolutely a National Treasure.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:41 PM
Feb 2016

Democracy Now one-hour podcast is daily fare for me. I never miss it.
http://www.democracynow.org/podcasting

Amy has been in the trenches all over the world for 20 years, telling America the truth that cannot be heard on MSM.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
24. I don't see giving authority for military action...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:13 PM
Feb 2016

...small detail HRC supporters want to overlook..

Nanjeanne

(4,979 posts)
26. I'm sorry is this something Amy Goodman said? Or is this in the wrong thread
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:20 PM
Feb 2016

This comes from nut job Jeff Fenske's blog. If you want to make it an OP and use that horrific blog as a starting point - go for it. But you might want to consider real information and not the frothing of nut who blogs.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
45. Well, after making the rounds today on all the "progressive" "liberal" boards today,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:43 PM
Feb 2016

it is clear to me that we should, in addition to ignoring polls, just stop talking to each other and just listen to what our favorite candidate has to say, use sound judgement and vote based on that. Otherwise, talking at, to, or past each other is just further dividing us so that at least one segment of the party will be angry enough to stay home and let the GOP win. I don't want that to happen, so I'm done commenting.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
47. Citing polls smacks of sporting event mentality
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:44 PM
Feb 2016

Polls turn something that is supposed to be serious and substantive into a vacuous exercise. When demographics are thrown in, voters are exploited to promote conflict.

I trash every poll thread that comes up here.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
50. I Agree
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:58 PM
Feb 2016

The news shows and news networks spend too much time discussing polls. I think CBS Morning News and CBS Evening News have mentioned polls everyday. It would be much better for them to discuss the positions of the politicians and their business and political records. In addition, there should be an effort to give all the people running for office equal time to discuss their political ideas.

spooky3

(34,477 posts)
59. I hope they listen to her.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:26 PM
Feb 2016

95% of the coverage focuses on the "horse race" rather than either the relevant accomplishments of the candidates or the policy positions they now espouse. Not helpful for voters, at all.

DinahMoeHum

(21,809 posts)
60. Seems the polls have become the modern crystal ball. . .
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:29 PM
Feb 2016

He/she who lives by the crystal ball ends up eating broken glass.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
67. Odd ... they were once all the rage around here ...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:39 PM
Feb 2016

... especially the clicky clicky online polls.



Go, Hillary! We love you!

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
81. Well, Amy, corporate American does not want us to weigh their record.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:44 PM
Feb 2016

They don't want anyone to examine their preferred candidate too closely.

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