2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf the 22nd amendment had been repealed, who would you choose for the nominee?
Assuming that the nominee would face a well-funded Republican nominee with their full arsenal of gutter tactics, and that the nominee would have to show the ability to defeat the Republican to get anything done.
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President Obama--four more years! | |
5 (25%) |
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Bernie Sanders--time for a revolution. | |
14 (70%) |
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Hillary Clinton--she will fight for you. | |
1 (5%) |
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restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Obama would have beaten W Bush like a rug.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)After all the flack he's been getting from both sides of the aisle, I wouldn't do that to the man and his wonderful family for another four more years.
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Why not start over and add may E. Warren as a 4th option?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)That bullshit is baked into our system. Not good!
--imm
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)lol
Only kidding, and no, I would absolutely not vote for another term for Obama,
unless it was between him and Hillary. I get what you're trying to demonstrate
but I don't agree avoiding the problem any longer is the answer to our problem.
Our main problem being, money in politics. It is the common denominator in
both parties...people have had enough.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Sanders has adopted the Obama small donor campaign fundraising approach.
Most importantly, there's zero doubt he would beat Trump, or Cruz, or the Marcobot.
Clinton and Bernie, not so much.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)to fight that battle. Bernie Sanders is that politician, no doubt in mind, more than
Warren had she run.
I am politically active in my state and I am a bit freaked out how conservatives
here, who are of the working class variety not religiously strong, hate her.
Although they tell me Bernie is "kooky", if their side puts up an establishment
candidate, they'll vote for Bernie if those are the two choices.
The conservative elites here are ok with Clinton, as they're not of the social
conservative variety. So if their candidate is Cruz, who they hate, they'll
vote for her.
Clinton is no confidence builder for me, she could lose and lose big in the GE.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They're good policy, but tax increases are politically toxic.
Once those working class guys start hearing 24/7 that Bernie wants to raise their taxes to give free stuff to non-white people and college kids ...
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)with some conservatives and a hefty percentage of Independents due to WS fraud.
He is well trusted by conservatives in his state too. Like I said, even when they
call him kooky, they say, now that guy is not a liar and they like how he takes
care of Vets.
I worry more about what the DNC will do to a Sanders campaign should he win the nom than
I do about the GOP, they're predictable..the DNC? I am not so sure they want to see an
upset to the norm in DC.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)on the middle class.
People will certainly believe him when he says he's going to raise everyone's taxes and take away everyone's employer-sponsored health insurance.
that won't play in places like the Philly suburbs
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Who is best placed to point that out on our side? Who can point out
how those tax rates will benefit the majority? Who is going to explain
why ACA was a great step forward and not deny the costs are still rising
due to a still profit driven business model? Those rising costs are real
and the Republicans are running with it and that won't end.
I don't believe that person is Hillary Clinton.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Clinton is way too cautious and inside baseball, Sanders is not rooted in political reality
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Clinton is risking a lot with millennials, and I do mean A LOT with her Brock campaign..that's all
I can tell you.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)more milennials are turning out in the Republican race than in this one.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)who doubts me go and look at blogs written by millennials who are steeped
in college debt. They report on the congress bills that attempted to
address their issues with the banks by Democrats and how/why those bills
fail. They're more informed than you may think and do not buy into
Clinton to help them.
She should be worried about these people and not focus on who is
not involved, as if that will help her because it won't.
Sanders has a strength there and if he loses the mere threat of a
Republican winning the WH won't likely help her. Independents she
has a huge weakness with as well..another group she needs to win.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)On the other hand, Sanders's campaign has been all about how voter enthusiasm and greater participation will lead to a revolution and different policies.
Given that participation in IA, NH and NV were all way down from 2008, he is not delivering the goods on his central promise. Which begins to beg the question of just how serious is his candidacy.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)His central message has helped him rise beyond the expectations Hillary ever
thought possible, thus her Brock campaign. Although Bernie is a viable
candidate now, he does need to convince people their votes will count,
that is on him.
Too soon yet to know how it plays out. I do believe the DNC will have
a hard time selling Hillary for president if she wins the nomination, a very hard time.