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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:08 PM Feb 2016

If the 22nd amendment had been repealed, who would you choose for the nominee?

Assuming that the nominee would face a well-funded Republican nominee with their full arsenal of gutter tactics, and that the nominee would have to show the ability to defeat the Republican to get anything done.


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President Obama--four more years!
5 (25%)
Bernie Sanders--time for a revolution.
14 (70%)
Hillary Clinton--she will fight for you.
1 (5%)
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If the 22nd amendment had been repealed, who would you choose for the nominee? (Original Post) geek tragedy Feb 2016 OP
although if not for 22, there would not be clinton and sanders.....nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #1
I think Bill was done after the Lewinsky thing no matter what. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #2
oh, most definitely. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #5
Agreer but would have liked to see his numer up there Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #22
I wanted to click "Obama" but knowing he's pretty much had enough, I didn't. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #3
you're splitting the Obama / Clinton vote wyldwolf Feb 2016 #4
I prefer Sanders to Clinton but would take Obama over both in a heartbeat. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #6
The last five presidents were supply-siders. We have to break the chain. immoderate Feb 2016 #7
Obama is not a supply sider nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #8
Baked into our system! immoderate Feb 2016 #13
^This Bernie over all of the op choices. JRLeft Feb 2016 #16
The 22nd amendment should only be repealed once Bernie Sanders becomes POTUS. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #9
Obama has been rather outspoken in opposing Citizens United. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #10
Yes and we need much more than that now..much more. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #11
what we need is always more than what we can get nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #12
We need someone who is not a recipient of said monies, that person is best placed Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #14
Sanders hasn't taken punches from the Republicans on his tax increases. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #15
They've been singing that same song for the last 40 years...Obama still won x2. Sanders resonates Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #17
Obama also said "you can keep your insurance" and promised to not raise taxes geek tragedy Feb 2016 #18
Every candidate has their message and the GOP is in the bag for the elite and ONLY the elite. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #19
As I've said in earlier places, both are subpar candidates. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #20
Sanders has his weaknesses but I don't think we agree on what those are. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #21
most milennials aren't tuning in to this race. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #23
We'll see how the ONES that are involved react, and I would suggest that anyone Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #24
no doubt Clinton has glaring weaknesses like that geek tragedy Feb 2016 #25
Being the underdog is tough and a Brock campaign against you is even harder. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #26
there is no easy sell available to either party nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #27
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. I think Bill was done after the Lewinsky thing no matter what.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

Obama would have beaten W Bush like a rug.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
3. I wanted to click "Obama" but knowing he's pretty much had enough, I didn't.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

After all the flack he's been getting from both sides of the aisle, I wouldn't do that to the man and his wonderful family for another four more years.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
7. The last five presidents were supply-siders. We have to break the chain.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:14 PM
Feb 2016

That bullshit is baked into our system. Not good!

--imm

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
9. The 22nd amendment should only be repealed once Bernie Sanders becomes POTUS.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:17 PM
Feb 2016

lol

Only kidding, and no, I would absolutely not vote for another term for Obama,
unless it was between him and Hillary. I get what you're trying to demonstrate
but I don't agree avoiding the problem any longer is the answer to our problem.
Our main problem being, money in politics. It is the common denominator in
both parties...people have had enough.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. Obama has been rather outspoken in opposing Citizens United.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:19 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders has adopted the Obama small donor campaign fundraising approach.

Most importantly, there's zero doubt he would beat Trump, or Cruz, or the Marcobot.

Clinton and Bernie, not so much.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
14. We need someone who is not a recipient of said monies, that person is best placed
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:31 PM
Feb 2016

to fight that battle. Bernie Sanders is that politician, no doubt in mind, more than
Warren had she run.

I am politically active in my state and I am a bit freaked out how conservatives
here, who are of the working class variety not religiously strong, hate her.
Although they tell me Bernie is "kooky", if their side puts up an establishment
candidate, they'll vote for Bernie if those are the two choices.

The conservative elites here are ok with Clinton, as they're not of the social
conservative variety. So if their candidate is Cruz, who they hate, they'll
vote for her.

Clinton is no confidence builder for me, she could lose and lose big in the GE.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. Sanders hasn't taken punches from the Republicans on his tax increases.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:35 PM
Feb 2016

They're good policy, but tax increases are politically toxic.

Once those working class guys start hearing 24/7 that Bernie wants to raise their taxes to give free stuff to non-white people and college kids ...

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
17. They've been singing that same song for the last 40 years...Obama still won x2. Sanders resonates
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:47 PM
Feb 2016

with some conservatives and a hefty percentage of Independents due to WS fraud.
He is well trusted by conservatives in his state too. Like I said, even when they
call him kooky, they say, now that guy is not a liar and they like how he takes
care of Vets.

I worry more about what the DNC will do to a Sanders campaign should he win the nom than
I do about the GOP, they're predictable..the DNC? I am not so sure they want to see an
upset to the norm in DC.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. Obama also said "you can keep your insurance" and promised to not raise taxes
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

on the middle class.

People will certainly believe him when he says he's going to raise everyone's taxes and take away everyone's employer-sponsored health insurance.

that won't play in places like the Philly suburbs

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
19. Every candidate has their message and the GOP is in the bag for the elite and ONLY the elite.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:58 PM
Feb 2016

Who is best placed to point that out on our side? Who can point out
how those tax rates will benefit the majority? Who is going to explain
why ACA was a great step forward and not deny the costs are still rising
due to a still profit driven business model? Those rising costs are real
and the Republicans are running with it and that won't end.


I don't believe that person is Hillary Clinton.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. As I've said in earlier places, both are subpar candidates.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton is way too cautious and inside baseball, Sanders is not rooted in political reality

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
21. Sanders has his weaknesses but I don't think we agree on what those are.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:03 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton is risking a lot with millennials, and I do mean A LOT with her Brock campaign..that's all
I can tell you.


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. most milennials aren't tuning in to this race.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

more milennials are turning out in the Republican race than in this one.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
24. We'll see how the ONES that are involved react, and I would suggest that anyone
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:32 PM
Feb 2016

who doubts me go and look at blogs written by millennials who are steeped
in college debt. They report on the congress bills that attempted to
address their issues with the banks by Democrats and how/why those bills
fail. They're more informed than you may think and do not buy into
Clinton to help them.

She should be worried about these people and not focus on who is
not involved, as if that will help her because it won't.

Sanders has a strength there and if he loses the mere threat of a
Republican winning the WH won't likely help her. Independents she
has a huge weakness with as well..another group she needs to win.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. no doubt Clinton has glaring weaknesses like that
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:38 PM
Feb 2016

On the other hand, Sanders's campaign has been all about how voter enthusiasm and greater participation will lead to a revolution and different policies.

Given that participation in IA, NH and NV were all way down from 2008, he is not delivering the goods on his central promise. Which begins to beg the question of just how serious is his candidacy.



Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
26. Being the underdog is tough and a Brock campaign against you is even harder.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:46 PM
Feb 2016

His central message has helped him rise beyond the expectations Hillary ever
thought possible, thus her Brock campaign. Although Bernie is a viable
candidate now, he does need to convince people their votes will count,
that is on him.

Too soon yet to know how it plays out. I do believe the DNC will have
a hard time selling Hillary for president if she wins the nomination, a very hard time.

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