BERNIE: " I am in UNTIL THE CONVENTION"

[restorefreedom]

he went to explain his four MILLION individual donations and his fundraising efforts. he said his message is resonating, and he is fighting till philly.

so can we drop the whole " he will drop out after super tuesday" nonsense and focus on the race?

via meet the press and chuck toaster pastries

[Zorra]

1. Recommend. nt

[roguevalley]

88. he's a fighter so we have to be too. He didn't get smoked

she did. This was supposed to be the death knell. Remember, in a state like mine, conservative with oil field stupidity, she is losing to Bernie by 14 points. If she can be behind here, she will be behind elsewhere. Nate Silver sees her losing going forward. I do too. Chins up, brothers and sisters. Unity forever.

[PatrynXX]

96. very true

if she can almost lose a conservative state thinks are gonna look bleak. Iowa didn't used to be a conservative state until Brandstad got his old 1980's job back WI might be a touch more red now too, but they are changing int he wind with Scott being such a twit.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

220. She just barely won in Nevada

Bernie won almost as many delegates in Nevada. National polls are tightening!

[Lordquinton]

222. Sanders lost in NV

But he beat Obama's showing there, and we all know how that went 8 years ago.

SC is conservative, so Clinton polls better there, but I think they have an actual primary, and Sanders does better when it's a democratic process.

[platitudipus]

121. I agree and unless I'm missing something I wouldn't be popping any champaign corks...

for a 52/48 'win' in a state that had less than 12,000 people come out and caucus.

[FloridaBlues]

177. 53/47 was the outcome yesterday

[roguevalley]

190. given this was the 'death knell' it was an amazing

outcome. If there weren't the tricks, it would have been better.

[roguevalley]

191. agreed. Also consider the tricks, posing as nurses

and not counting before awarding delegates in a caucus site.

[Live and Learn]

185. +10,000 nt

[amborin]

2. K and R, and more here:

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/02/20/sanders-pledges-path-victory-clinton-ekes-out-nevada-win

[restorefreedom]

7. thanks, amborin! nt

[kgnu_fan]

3. go bernie! nt

[SoLeftIAmRight]

251. DWS has still not said that he will get to speak at the convention...

in a prime time spot

[reformist2]

4. Obama lost New Hampshire, Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, California in 2008!

It's a 50-state race. It's not a sprint - it's a marathon. And Bernie knows that he's got momentum, that he actually is in the stronger position.

[restorefreedom]

10. yes, important to remember. nt

[pdsimdars]

11. good point

I heard that Bernie keeps rising in the polls and Hillary is slowly fading. They seem to be whipping everything up they can and she barely maintains it.
Go, Bernie, Go, we're tired of waiting for justice.

[reformist2]

79. I think you said it. We're impatient for some justice. It's coming, but the wheels turn slowly...

We all need to keep plugging away, each of us doing our part. The Clinton machine is falling apart, the "New Democrat" era is coming to a close. The young and internet-savvy have already joined the new cause. All that's left is for the older, less connected voters to hear the word. They're not the enemy, they just haven't been fully informed yet. We should trust that in the end they want what we want, and that they too will abandon the Clintons once and for all, in favor of overhauling the Democratic Party, making it a party of the people again, where corporations are definitely *not* at the table.

[silvershadow]

210. Some of us who are old enough to remember union power and strength and what a real

middle-class life was like (whether you were union or not) need to be engaging these younger voters to not only give them hope, but also to strengthen their resolve. I know I am standing as loudly as I can against the TPP for example. When I share my politics on my FB page, I am VERY vocal against the right-wing hate machine and circus at every turn. I leave nothing unsaid. I am hoping this alone has done much. And I'm thinking of doing a voter registration effort as well.

[reformist2]

212. I hope your hard work pays off. The rest of us could learn a lot from what seniors know about unions

[appalachiablue]

48. +1

[awake]

53. Bernie knows what it takes to be a long distance runner

When he was younger he was on the cross-country running team

[dana_b]

201. and Nevada!

lol...

[MohRokTah]

5. He'll drop out. eom

[eggplant]

23. Good luck with that.

[MohRokTah]

34. Sanders is no Huckabee.

Huckabee stayed in for a long time after it was clear he had no chance.

[anotherproletariat]

109. I don't know...his whole schtick is that he is an angry old man. He won't get any less angry...

...in fact losing should make him more upset, so I don't see him giving up anytime soon. I expect that he won't be able to get to the acceptance level of grief before the convention.

[bvf]

74. Care to wager on that?

[MohRokTah]

77. I don't make wagers on internet forums with anonymoous posters. eom

[bvf]

83. Something tells me you wouldn't even take the bet

from your next-door neighbor.

[MohRokTah]

85. IRL I'd slap down a Benjamin in a heartbeat.

That's easy money!

[bvf]

87. Said the anonymous poster on the internet.

[MohRokTah]

90. You questioned, I answered.

It's a no brainer that Sanders saying this means he'll have to drop out soon.

I give it no more than two more weeks.

Hell, Bush said the same thing not long ago.

[bvf]

94. And Clinton said she took sniper fire in Bosnia.

What's your point?

[NJCher]

136. see ya' March 6 at 12:38 pm

I snipped your post and put a link to it on my Google calendar.

Meanwhile, you may want to get out your fool costume.





Cher

[liberalnarb]

235. Theres no way in hell hes dropping out soon.

Unless you live under a rock, its pretty obvious Bernie has about 10,000 times the amount of support bush did.

[Ken Burch]

227. Said the anonymous poster on an internet forum. n/t.

[cali]

178. Nah, sorry mo. Not a chance.

[rhett o rick]

213. Why do you support the Big Money instead of the People?

Rhetorical question. We all know the answer.

[Lordquinton]

223. Why?

That's an absurd thought.

[JDPriestly]

225. He can't lose.

He is running on the issues.

And the fact that is ideas are out there, are being embraced and welcomed by so many Democrats, especially young Democrats and Independents, is a win.

Nobody, not even Hillary fans, is excited about Hillary's stands on the issues. Nobody.

So on the issues, Bernie is way, way ahead.

And whether he is the candidate or not, and I think he will be, it is going to be his ideas that dominate the discussion and the action beginning in 2017.

Bernie has set the Democratic agenda already.

Hillary has no ideas that have caught on. Not one of her ideas is being discussed on this board or much of anywhere else where real voters are talking amongst themselves.

Thus, she loses no matter what.

That's why I am happy that Bernie plans to stay in until the convention.

[Skwmom]

6. Voter turnout would collapse if he exits. n/t

[restorefreedom]

9. and the ge would be a bloodbath. nt

[pdsimdars]

13. So would the Democratic party

You have all these new, young people so enthused and wanting to make a difference for their country. If they are squashed by the big steam-rolling corporatocracy, that's that.

[NikolaC]

89. You know this how?

Young people are smarter than you are giving them credit for being. Also, is there a link for the "statistics" in your post?

We can all stand to do more research into many of the issues facing our country these days. I happen to believe that we shouldn't denigrate, nor condescend to, young voters. We need them, especially in the GE.

[potone]

95. Wow, that is insulting.

When I was their age I was passionate about politics and followed national campaigns closely and always voted. I see no reason to assume that young people now are as superficial and uninformed as you think. I teach at a state university and my students are bright and intellectually engaged. Of course I can't ask them who they support for president--that is not my place as their professor--but I know that they are paying attention to what is going on, as well they should. It is their future, after all.

[potone]

103. You missed my point.

I am not grading them on their political views; indeed since my courses are on antiquity, not the present, it wouldn't make sense. I meant that from the comments that I hear from them, they are politically aware and engaged. I feel confident that they will vote in this election, unless they feel that the system is rigged. This is why it is important that Bernie stay in the race, even if he does not win the nomination.

[SammyWinstonJack]

101. How rude!

[tblue37]

118. And how does their lack of knowledge about specific issues differ from the

lack of knowledge among older voters.

Not much, I bet. American voters in general don't bother to know much about political issues, and our educational systems, our media, and every other aspect of our culture encourages such disengagement.

Bernie, at least, is fueling political interest in the previously disengaged, especially the young, and once engaged, they tend to start informing themselves.

[Odin2005]

151. More disgusting, vile condescension against Millennials.

You know that most Millennials are ADULTS, right? I'm going to be 30 in April.

And many of us haven't been in a mall in years, we buy shit on-line. It was Gen-Xers who were the mall rats.

[Odin2005]

158. What a steaming pantload.

[dana_b]

202. ugh - I know! But not ALL of us, Odin

at least I wasn't. I HATE the mall!!

If there is a hell, then for me, it would be shopping in a mall. No joke!

[SheilaT]

160. You seem to be another person who thinks "Millennial" means

persons between the ages of 17 and 20. In reality, the oldest Millennials are at least 33, possibly a year or two older, and the youngest ones would be at least 20. So they are young adults. In school, holding jobs, paying off student loans, buying houses, and so on.

So next time you try this, approach a group of people in their early thirties and ask those questions.

[SheilaT]

172. No, we are not counting solely on Bernie to save the world for us.

But we sure as hell know that under another Clinton administration it would be the same old same old.

[SheilaT]

181. Wow, I'm impressed you think that I,

a very lowly nobody who happens to post on DU, has singlehandedly destroyed Hillary's chance of winning. Never knew I had such power.

I wonder what else I might do if I put my mind to it?

[SheilaT]

189. Your eagerness for a response from me is almost humbling.

However, I don't spend all of my day on DU.

And that sort of posting is simply the truth about Hillary, and it's nothing compared to what the Republicans will throw at her if she wins the nomination. She has a history of lying, obfuscating, and changing her position on virtually everything, which means essentially every single thing she has said or done since she was 20 is fodder for them.

And what they throw at Bernie is equally as bad, except that they have to make up stuff, or hope that everyone is still ensconced in the Cold War and are terrified of the word Socialist. Bernie isn't afraid of that word. And he isn't afraid to respond back with the truth. His consistency over the years has been rather impressive.

[SheilaT]

195. Oh, gosh. You give me so much more power than I deserve.

Now go away and pester someone else.

[bvar22]

197. I watched the Daytona 500 today. Denny Hamline won,

I also kept up with the latest political news and Primary results.
Like most people, I can multi-task, and have other interests.
I'll be repairing the fuel lines on a neighbor's chain saw this PM.

I'll be with Bernie to the convention, and follow his principles beyond the convention.

[wyldwolf]

26. Sure. With one person in the race, Hillary would win by default.

[TryLogic]

47. And I think Hillary might be indicted for mishandling secrets and lying.

[wyldwolf]

61. LOL, you should try to live up to your DU name

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. 10

[rhett o rick]

214. Why would you choose Goldman-Sachs over the 50 million living in poverty?

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

[noretreatnosurrender]

107. lol

Said the wyldwolf.

[RichVRichV]

168. Actually what the person said is logical.

I have my doubts she will be indicted. But TryLogic never said will. The poster said might be. She is being investigated by the FBI. And an investigation is a prerequisite for an indictment. Therefor the statement is completely logical. A person being investigated may be indicted.

Now the odds of it happening is strictly open to opinion at this point. I personally don't think the Obama justice department would indict. Especially considering it has let much more heinous things done by the Bush administration go. Compared to the Bush era this is small potatoes.

But that's only taking into account the current administration. Let me throw a scary hypothetical at you. What if one of those nut job Republicans actually wins the presidency? What do you think the odds are their justice department would choose to indict? Especially if there's anything at all they could stick from the FBI investigation.

Right or wrong, before it's all said and done, she may very well be indicted. The statement is logical. However it's doubtful anything would happen before the election is decided, so it will probably be a non-factor in the race.

[wyldwolf]

169. not only is it illogical, it's irrelevant to the discussion

[RichVRichV]

179. I'll give you it's irrelevant to the discussion.

I even said as much in my last post. It will likely have no bearing whatsoever on the race.

However it is not illogical. Logic doesn't take into account what we want to happen, what we think should happen, or our emotions. The statement made was logical as prerequisite conditions have been met to validate it. You challenged that a person should live up to their name for making an illogical statement when in fact that statement was based on logic.

[wyldwolf]

180. and isn't it illogical to add irrelevant comments to a discussion?

[RichVRichV]

193. That's more a philosophy question than a logic question.

Logic follows sets of rules, such as the rules of association, inference, equivalence. In this case we follow inference. There was a premise and conclusion.

A must happen for B to happen. A has happened. Therefor B could also happen.

Replace A with investigation and B with indictment. It is a valid logical statement based on premise and conclusion.



Now onto the second part of the topic, "is it illogical to add irrelevant comments to a discussion". Most topics discussed, and most changes in topics are not based on logic at all. Usually people change topics to redirect conversation to something that is either favorable to them or that interests them. Neither of these are directly based on logic. That makes them non-logical. The reason I called this part philosophy is because of different views on non-logical vs illogical.

It can be viewed that illogical is something that can be proven to be the inverse of a logical conclusion, whereas non-logical is something that is not based on the rules of logic at all (they're separate things). Using this definition changing subjects would be non-logical, not illogical.

It can also be viewed that anything that is not logical is illogical. Using this broader definition then changing subjects to something that is irrelevant is illogical. However this broader view also means that the vast majority of everything discussed on the forums is also illogical.



By the way, I don't even care about the original statement. I just enjoy discussing logic.

[rhett o rick]

215. LOL

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

[liberalnarb]

236. Though it may be far fetched

It would be a nightmare for the Democrats if the e-mail thing blew up during the election.

[appalachiablue]

97. After Iowa on CNN, Paul Begala, longtime Clinton ally who advises a Super PAC

backing her candidacy commented on the more than 8 in 10 caucus-goers under the age of 30 that came to support Sanders, as did nearly 6 in 10 of those between 30-44, according to a survey conducted for The Associated Press and the TV networks by Edison Research.
He said, "That's unprecedented, she cannot be president without the enthusiastic support of those Sanders voters." Feb 2.

http://news.yahoo.com/clintons-narrow-win-sparks-nervousness-among-supporters-224503294--election.html#

[LovingA2andMI]

140. Yep....

A Republican would likely win the General Election if Hillary is the Nominee. The point is Hillary Clinton is NOT WELL LIKED among large segments of Millennials and Generation Xers -- and not trusted among Independents. She needs all three of these groups to win in the general and she does NOT have them. In fact, they are likely to just stay home than vote at all or skip voting for President.

[lumberjack_jeff]

152. For some reason, the apparatchiks are counting on it.

Their goal isn't to win the presidency, it's to nominate Hillary.

It's not apparent that they have thought beyond that.

[rosesaylavee]

207. I am only voting for Sanders in the Primary.

I will vote for the dem nominee in the GE but nothing would induce me to vote for Clinton in the Primary. I will vote for others down ticket then.

[PonyUp]

231. I am voting for Sanders all the way.

Even if I have to write him in. My conscience won't allow me to vote repug lite anymore. I will leave the polling booth knowing I wasn't involved in screwing up my children's future. If Hillary wins the primary and loses the GE, I won't be to blame. It's on her. She should have run a better campaign.

[Jefferson23]

8. WE the People. K&R NO MORE CORRUPTION, NOT ACCEPTABLE. n/t

[Uncle Joe]

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, restorefreedom.

[restorefreedom]

17. my pleasure, uncle joe! nt

[Autumn]

14. Bernie is in it to win it.

[restorefreedom]

19. indeed he is! nt

[brooklynite]

15. I wouldn't have it any other way...

...he'll be able to discuss his issues, regardless of the outcome of the Primary votes.

[restorefreedom]

16. and with no winner take all states...

he and hillary will keep racking up delegates. he will get more in some states, she will get more in others.

and if it is close at the convention, buckle up!

[itsrobert]

18. This is the beginning of the end

When candidates don't see a way to win primaries they start saying "I am in until the convention".

It's over.

[restorefreedom]

20. thanks for kicking the thread! have a bernie day! nt

[votesparks]

27. Except that HRC

hasn't even come close to winning a primary yet, although she has been crushed by a YUUUUGE amount in the one she ran in.

[Ed Suspicious]

43. If not for Super Delegates, they are quite literally tied at 51 delegates each after 3 contests.

It's early, and game on.

[mikehiggins]

52. Okay, then. Thanks for the insight. I guess you don't have to deal with us anymore.

Adios!

[Depaysement]

73. I don't think so

Candidates usually stay in until the money or votes evaporate. He is leading a movement and votes are power.

He has a lot of money. I gave more yesterday.

He barely lost two caucuses. He is getting majorities of the vote in key GE demographics.

[JimDandy]

110. Ridiculous! Bernie won the popular vote in all 3 states that have voted. Almost tied in delegates

When your opponent has lost the popular vote in every contest and you've got the delegate count, why would you quit the race?

[itsrobert]

117. Clinton won the popular vote in Iowa and Nevada

The delegate count is 51-51

Sorry to have to correct.

[JimDandy]

123. Link? News media in Iowa stated Sanders received the popular vote.

I'd be interested to see what your source is.

[stopbush]

21. What else is he going to say at this point?

Let's see what he says after Super Tuesday.

[restorefreedom]

22. despite your possible wishes to the contrary, he will say the same thing.

he will be collecting delegates, he has millions of supporters who can keep donating, plenty of money, and a message.

and the real possibility that by then, hillary will have legal troubles. bernie is not going to drop out so the establishment can plug in someone at the last minute who didn't even bother running.

you can keep hoping, though, if you like.

[stopbush]

32. Well, that's wishful thinking.

Legal troubles for Hillary. Yeah, we've seen how damaging that's been in the past. The list of convictions runs to...zero. Just another Republican wet dream that never seems to materialize.

The math is clear and simple - Bernie doesn't have a realistic path to the nomination. You can say what you want today. Talk to me in a month after Hillary has racked up wins in 75% of the southern states.

[restorefreedom]

51. lots of non southern states in play

plus no winner take all, so he keeps getting delegates.

and as for hillary, yes, i am sure 150 fbi agents are just wasting their time identifying hu dreds of classified emails.....

[stopbush]

55. Classified after the fact.

The email deal actually has little if anything to do with Hillary. It's a pissing match between the State Dept and the intelligence services.

[restorefreedom]

62. the designation is there whether the mark is there or not

which is why she always says "i never sent anything MARKED classified" rather than "i never sent anything THAT WAS classified."

she knows the difference and is using doublespeak to try and fool people. too bad it isn't working.

[jalan48]

24. Hillary can't win the general without the Progressive vote.

The Establishment Democrats will do everything they can to play nice (read-suck-up) with the Progressives until after the election is over.

[JackRiddler]

31. She'll be unhappy, but the Establishment Democrats won't care.

It's much more important to banish progressives than to win elections. They've shown that many times. After they fuck it up according to their own plan on their own impetus, the first and last thing they will do and continue to do for many years later is to blame their failure on imaginary progressives, either for:

- not voting the right way (see: still blaming Nader for the Florida fraud and Bush v. Gore Supreme Court coup d'etat, since that's easier than admitting democracy was murdered)

or for:

- having had the temerity to actually try on their own (see: still blaming McGovern for not winning the most unwinnable election in U.S. history).

Etc., etc. Maintaining control over the bureaucratic apparatus of spoils dispensation, access to the big money, slapping down hippies and subversives. It may be very 19th century, and the 21st is bound to punish it something awful. But it's what they know.

[stopbush]

35. This progressive is supporting Hillary, as are millions of other

progressives.

Imagining that Bernie has a lock on the progressive vote is delusional.

[jalan48]

41. Politics is give and take.

To announce to your opponent that you will ultimately support them (and their ideas) is foolhardy. What do you get then in return for your advance support?

[stopbush]

42. Bernie has already said he will support Hillary if she wins.

Your point?

[jalan48]

44. Do you think Bernie would have been allowed to run as a Democrat if he said otherwise?

Is this election just a charade?

[ananda]

46. Progressives are what conservative Reeps used to be.

..

[stupidicus]

25. good for him, and it is in keeping with his call for revolution

that won't end with his candidacy.

[AzDar]

28. K & R

[davidthegnome]

29. This race is far from over.

Not sure where all of these certain predictions of absolute victory are coming from, but you can bet Bernie - and his supporters, aren't giving up any time soon.

[JackRiddler]

37. Whatevs, have you heard the song change at any point?

700 independent scientific for-profit polling organizations conducting surveys every 14 minutes with skew-models based on past elections and laughable sample sizes for primary elections in which the turnout can vary by 150% from the norm and everything is about motivation of the base have announced on a daily basis that the chances of Sanders winning are minus a billion so it's totally irresponsible to ever, ever, ever, expect that this is a democracy in which you should fight for what you actually want instead of bowing to your masters!!!

[firebrand80]

30. Can I haz money? nt

[frylock]

132. I'm not kidding, Maddi!

[Enthusiast]

33. Kicked and recommended!

[Bleacher Creature]

36. If a campaign is in a strong position, it doesn't need to reassure its supporters.

Bernie will stick around long after Super Tuesday, but the race will functionally be over. And not a moment too soon.

[restorefreedom]

56. strong campaigns also don't panic or slime their opponents with lies

and yet team clinton is doing both.

[cali]

38. I so appreciate what he's doing.

[PowerToThePeople]

39. I predict primary results will look much like a general election

Guess who will win the blue states.

Guess who will win the red states.

Purple states will be in dispute.

Bernie is the Democratic nominee we need.

Bernie2016!

[Helen Borg]

40. It was to be expected....

That the establishment would pressure Bernie to drop out for "unity". Hahah, not gonna happen!

[cantbeserious]

45. Thank You For Sharing

eom

[restorefreedom]

57. yw :) nt

[MrMickeysMom]

49. I've never paid much mind to hearing that tantrum, anyway...

The energy that is realized after the 2nd caucus is a stopping point for those of us who have taken interest in Bernie Sanders getting to the presidency. We (and I'm guessing it's just about all of the Sanders supporters on DU) can read the winds of change as we work to get the vote out, and speak to people, maybe for the first time in our lives about what is the most important decision we can make in our lives.

So, let's continue to mentally bookmark this point. It is setting the trajectory to follow all the way until sometime in June of this year when we will reach exactly where we are pointing now.

The rest of the yahoos will read into this what they will. I say, reading is good. Do more of it while truth trumps power.

[Pharaoh]

50. was'nt it a really small turnout?

like 10'000 or something? And she won by a few hundred? Am I suppose to be impressed?





Clinton
6,238 52.7% 19

Sanders
5,589 47.2% 15

Uncommitted
8 0.1% 0

[jhart3333]

82. Those are delegates. Turnout was ~80,000. Down from 120,000 in 2008.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

145. How can there be 10000 delegates in Nevada?

and only 30 in NH? I think NH might even have a bigger population.

[jhart3333]

182. I believe these are county delegates. Not national delegates.

Hillary got 19 and Bernie got 15 national delegates.

[Pharaoh]

262. Here it is

She won by a measly 700 votes.

You think someone in the "liberal" media might point that out!

[highprincipleswork]

54. I am with Bernie as long as he is in it.

[MohRokTah]

58. Every candidate who is about to lose says that.

Jeb. essentially said the same thing not long ago.

[Avalux]

64. Yeah, Bernie and Jeb are so much alike!

[MohRokTah]

72. You are correct.

Both lost yesterday.

[rhett o rick]

216. You think that the Big Money can scare us. You are wrong. We will fight you and the Big

Money candidate all the way.

[Le Taz Hot]

59. Yesssss!!!!!!

He HAS to last to California because this state can put him over the top. Keep working and keep donating, that's what we have to do.

[restorefreedom]

63. yes, and i bet he knows that. lots of states left

no coronation

[desmiller]

60. K & R

Hillary - #Nowecant


Bernie - #YESWEWILL <- I'm with this guy

[restorefreedom]

65. welcome to du! nt

[desmiller]

68. thx

[FailureToCommunicate]

66. Why wouldn't Bernie stay in...

??

[restorefreedom]

67. excellent graphic! nt

[FailureToCommunicate]

69. I saw it posted on DU here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280122640

[restorefreedom]

108. thx! nt

[geek tragedy]

70. he owes it to his supporters to go to the convention. that doesn't mean going scorched earth

and turning into a bomb thrower IF Clinton wraps up the nomination.

But, Clinton had her name put into nomination at the convention in 2008, and he should do the same

[Fiendish Thingy]

71. I am reminded of the Tortoise and the Hare n/t

[Depaysement]

78. Trying to build a truly Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party

Quite a noble undertaking. And he has singlehandedly reintroduced class into the equation. It's really impressive.

[Cleita]

80. Good. We need to make sure we repeat this every time the debbie downers try to piss on

our path to victory.

[azmom]

81. Keep fighting!

[LibDemAlways]

84. In the three states that have weighed in thus far, the

vote was close in the two caucus states and Bernie won the sole primary overwhelmingly. This was supposed to be Hillary's coronation. Instead, she's had to fight for her political life. Yes, she has the big money corporate backers and the DNC on her side. That's the problem. Her "I'll fight for you" meme is bullshit and voters know it. This is a woman who parlayed her husband's Presidency into an obscene personal gold mine -- greedily banking six figure checks from corrupt Wall Street thieves left and right. The establishment loves her because she's not about to even try to upset the status quo. Under a Hillary regime, ordinary people will continue to be beholden to big insurance companies for some semblance of health care, and millions will continue to go without because they can't afford the premiums, deductibles, and co-pays. She's fine with a system that rips off the public and leaves millions uninsured. College students will continue to rack up insurmountable debt. Hillary says we can't afford to send the children of the wealthy to college. I agree, but the children of the wealthy don't attend Cal Fucking State in the first place. They're at Stanford and USC and Princeton and a myriad of other private institutions, and they are paying the huge tuition bill outright without breaking a sweat. Hillary has the nerve to use that argument about phantom rich kids in state colleges to deny a break to the millions of students unable to afford a public university education. She should be ashamed of herself. This is a woman who touts her friendship with war criminal Henry Kissinger and who voted to send American soldiers off to Iraq to be slaughtered in a senseless war for profit. Bernie voted no. Now we are basically being smugly told by the establishment that the primary is over and we need to fall in line. Newsflash, that will not happen. Bernie voters by the millions are rejecting the corporate bullshit, the insincerity, the greed, the "this is the way it is -- deal with it" attitude about issues that matter. A Hillary nomination means more of the same, and that doesn't fly with those who sre sending their hard earned dollars to Bernie -- a man who's fought all his adult life on behalf of the little guy. Bernie's not stupid. He knows the changes he's proposing will be fought tooth and nail by Republicans and by the corporatist Vichy wing that controls the Democratic Party. But he's at least willing to make the case and ask for the public's help. He needs to stay in because his message needs to be heard. This year we have a choice. We can admit to defeat by the powers that be, hold our noses, and vote for the status quo, or we can say enough's enough and cast a ballot for change. I'm with the guy who has my back.

[Art_from_Ark]

224. Well said!

[HooptieWagon]

86. It's only the Hillarians that are saying he'll drop out.

It's merely wishful thinking, as she's running out of money and we can keep digging into our pockets for Bernie. And the longer Sanders stays in, the more he exposes the rot and corruption in the DNC. That's a good thing.
After mid-March, the southern states primaries are behind us, and there are a whole string of states that Bernie will win. Just got to ride out a bumpy road for a few weeks until then.

[bigtree]

91. I remember when Hillary said the same

...in her campaign against Obama.

I actually thought that was an instructive primary and having a focus on the later states was enlightening and productive for our party.

[SammyWinstonJack]

92. YAY BERNIE!

[Politicalboi]

98. Go Bernie Go!!!!!!!

Expose her weaknesses before it's too late.

[appalachiablue]

100. K & R. Keep up the campaign!

[OhZone]

102. He can be in it until the end -

but I don't think he has much of a path.

Oh well.

[JimDandy]

104. Yes! He got more than 60% of the popular vote in NV

and is almost tied in delegates. So, in all 3 states that have voted now Sanders won the popular vote! Woo hoo!

[noretreatnosurrender]

105. So Are We

They won't drop it. It will be repeated over and over and over. Just another campaign tactic. Just roll your eyes and move on. Going forward I will just ignore threads about it. It will only be done to get you angry. Don't even engage. Let them talk with each other about it.

[Tarc]

111. Sanders will probably drop out on March 2nd. At most March 16th

Where he will then endorse Clinton and switch gears into promoting her in the Fall. That will be the gut check for his followers, same as it was for Hillary's P.U.M.A.s in 2008.

[restorefreedom]

112. he is in till the convention. period.

but if you want to cling to the hope he will drop out, have at it

[Tarc]

115. Unlike some of his supporters, Sanders is a realist

Being unable to win a state outside of New England after Super Tuesday and the mid-March primaries come and go will be a cold bucket of reality.

[restorefreedom]

119. oh, he will win and continue to collect delegates. nt

[rhett o rick]

217. And you think you are an expert on who he is. This fight is life and death for some.

Goldman-Sachs doesn't care that we have the highest infant mortality rate of all modern nations. So do you side with them or those that want to change the corrupt culture of Big Money.

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

[Cleita]

113. He has already stated he is in until the convention.

Unlike other candidates, who change their promises depending on how the wind is blowing, Sanders has always kept his word.

[restorefreedom]

120. oh snap. nt

[ultragreen]

206. More wishful thinking from Clinton supporters...

It seems doubtful that Bernie Sanders will conform to the wishful thinking of Clinton supporters. He isn't an establishment politician like Jeb! And Bernie Sanders supporters are not social conformists, unlike Jeb supporters and Hillary supporters. Because the large majority of Democrats under 40 are Bernie Sanders supporters, the Democratic establishment is throwing away its future and sowing the seeds of its own destruction.

The Democrats can't win the general election unless there is a large turnout of young voters, because elderly voters are more likely to vote Republican. And I don't think Hillary Clinton is going to get the job done: she's another establishment candidate who incites very little interest in young voters. She has even been telling them that affordable health care and affordable higher education are wild-eyed socialistic ideas, even though every other developed nation in the world has these things.

Conclusion: There's no way Hillary Clinton is going to win the general election. And the DNC is setting the stage for more failure in the future unless they get their act together.

[Tarc]

208. "He isn't an establishment politician..."

This has to be the biggest whopper of the primary season, as Sanders has been in Congress for 25 years. Yeesh.

[NurseJackie]

219. That one always cracks me up as well.

[Art_from_Ark]

256. You don't know what "establishment politician" means

"The Establishment generally denotes a dominant group or elite that holds power or authority in a nation or organization. The Establishment may be a closed social group which selects its own members (as opposed to selection by merit or election) or specific entrenched elite structures, either in government or in specific institutions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Establishment

Hillary is the establishment politician because she is supported by the entrenched elite structure of the Democratic Party. Whereas Bernie is not being supported by the party's elite structure and is actually running to reform it. Hence, Bernie is NOT an establishment candidate.

[Tarc]

261. Yep, Camp Sanders logic

"25 years in Washington as a Representative and a Senator" equals "cool bro with outsider cred".

"8 years at First Lady" + "8 years as a Senator" + "4 years as Sec. of State" equals "the Queen of Insiders".


Do you write for the Onion?

[TIME TO PANIC]

114. K & R!

[shanti]

122. thats our bernie! n/t

[Cary]

124. Who cares?

The real question here at DU is when will the "conservative" smears against our party and our presumptive nominee be no longer tolerated?

Of course that has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders.

[restorefreedom]

127. there is no "presumptive nominee"

its a two person race, and they are basically tied in delegates.

[Cary]

143. Don't let it bother you that I didn't say there was a presumptive nominee

But do fret over the fact that there will be.

[restorefreedom]

147. there will be at some point

but it worries me not, since it will be bernie

[Cary]

154. You evade

The point isn't about Bernie but rather about tolerating "conservative" smears here a DU.

Your evasion means what? You own the fact that you engage in "conservative" smears against Democrats? Are you saying that you aren't worried because Bernie will be the presumptive nominee and therefore you will be allowed to continue to spread "conservative" propaganda?

I think so. I think that's exactly what you're saying.

[restorefreedom]

159. when the hell have i spread conservative propoganda?

my two most recent threads were a quote from bernie about his campaign and a comment about people not making the assumption that he is out because of a small loss in nevada

i don't know WHAT you are talking about, but have a bernie day!

[Cary]

174. restorefreedom, more people have been swarmed and chased off this forum than currently post here

I cannot believe you haven't seen that or that you don't know your own role in it. If you can't see that which is happening ingredients before your own eyes then I don't see how you expect me to explain it to you.

I cannot make you understand and the fact that you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

[restorefreedom]

187. if by chased off, you mean confronted with the truth

and decided not to deal with it, then that is an individual choice. i am sorry that your candidate has made less than ethical decisions in her life which seem to be inconvenient now, but that seems to be an issue between you and her rather than you and us.

speaking the truth is not attacking or swarming. if you are referring to something else, please provide a link and i will be happy to comment on it.

[Cary]

194. You aren't the arbiter of truth

And apparently you have no humility either.

[restorefreedom]

198. so facts don't constitute truth? hmmmm

truth: "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."

humility:" a modest view of ones own importance"

the facts are the arbiter of truth, not i or anyone else.

and as for humility, i don't think for a second any of this is about ME. you must be confusing me with one of the candidates.

have a good one, though!

[Cary]

239. I started this subthread

I said: Who cares? The real question here at DU is when will the "conservative" smears against our party and our presumptive nominee be no longer tolerated?

My opinion, of course, not fact.

You responded with a non-sequitur. You said that we don't have a presumptive nominee and said that Sanders and Clinton were tied.

To that I responded that I did not say that there was a presumptive nominee and a plain reading of my statement show that in fact I did not say that there was a presumptive nominee. I suggested certain things, beyond the face value of my words. That was intentional. However you did not come close to addressing those suggestions. You went off on your own, apparently under the erroneous belief that I suggested that there was a presumptive nominee.

And too I did suggest that your misadventure, attributing to me something I in fact neither said nor suggested, was unimpressive.

Did you apologize for misrepresenting my words? Of course not. You declared that the presumptive nominee would be Bernie. That, sir, is not a fact but it also is not anything relevant to what I said or suggested. And apparently you read into my words that I care whether it is Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. I may care. I may not. That is for me to decide, and not for you to arrogantly decree or assume.

I then did some extrapolating, myself, finding it interesting that you read what you did into my words. You do beg the question: why are you doing this?

You then evaded again asking when you spread "conservative" propaganda, when in fact I did not say that you did spread "conservative" propaganda. I pointed out to you that your responses suggested a certain defensiveness. Now that too is my opinion, not fact. But notice that not only have you yet to present an actual fact, you are in fact misrepresenting my words.

And then you admitted that you have no idea what I am talking about. Now that I can accept as a fact, since you are so intent on reading things into my words. Of course you are insinuating that your inability to comprehend plain English is somehow my fault so that doesn't reflect humility.

I then stated my opinion that you, from the way you are acting here on this subthread, are out of touch. It is a fact that Hillary Clinton supporters are avoiding this place because they are treated the way you are treating me, and worse. I could name hundreds of posters and that is a fact. You scoff, but your misplaced righteous indignation is not fact.

Then you most arrogantly decreed that you are the arbiter of truth. How odd is that? Because you state one fact, your own inability to comprehend, you're suddenly an oracle?

Finally I point out the obvious fact that you are wholly unimpressive and you start beating your chest.

Pfeh.

[restorefreedom]

241. you used the term presumptive nominee

i decided to focus on that aspect of your train of thought, not trying to put words in anyone's mouth.

as to conservstive smears, if you link to a conservative lie against hillary being propogated by bernie supporters, i will be happy to comment on it.

and speaking of smears, i would like to know when some hillary supporters (not necessarily you) will stop relying on a right wing scumbag (brock) to weave a web of lies about bernie and try to destroy his character with clear lies?

perhaps if both sides focus on issues like bernie is trying to do, we could have a real contest.

have a great day!

[Cary]

242. You totally misrepresented me

And I think the way you responded is a perfect illustration of the emotional nonsense that goes on, and why the dialogue breaks down.

If you can't actually address what I say then don't respond.

[restorefreedom]

244. not trying to misrepresent. just trying to talk ideas

but whatever. have a good day

[Cary]

245. Misrepresenting my words is not "trying to talk ideas."

I spent a considerable amount of time pointing out to you how you insulted me. If you truly wanted to "talk ideas" you would address that in an honest way, with some humility, and you would probably apologize.

I know I would if I treated you that way. But then I don't think I would treat you that way. That's not acceptable behavior for me, in an honest discussion.

[restorefreedom]

247. well, i am sorry you see it that way. i never purposely put words in

anyone's mouth or attach meanings that are unintended. this being a come one, come all message board, and since none of us know anything about each other besides what we say here, it makes perfect sense that from time to time, people's words and meanings are misunderstood. i do realize and appreciate the lengths you went to to explain your position. i responded in the way that i thought was appropriate.

really was hoping to discuss ideas without having angry or hurt feelings. perhaps there will be issues down the road where we can better connect and understand each other.

peace

[Cary]

250. Thank you

I of course give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't believe that I said that you were being malicious. However I do feel that there is plenty of unnecessary malice here DU. I try not to lump you in with that, but I'm not perfect.

[restorefreedom]

253. i did go back and reread your message

which you clearly did spend some time on. i think we are all at a disadvantage compared to a coffee shop for example. we can't read facial expressions, gestures, and the like. and we all come here because we are passionate about our candidates/issues.

so anyway, definitely did not mean to attribute anything to you that you did not mean, so sorry if it came across that way.

i always do like you and try and give people the benefit of the doubt. i like talking people of all candiates and positions, i think its how we learn.

peace to you,

[restorefreedom]

249. i will reread your message later when i am able

perhaps i can respond more fully when i am not in a rush

later...

[Cary]

240. "I am sorry that your candidate has made less than ethical decisions in her life?"

You are a long, long way from having a nexus between that and "speaking the truth."

And you are even further from having a coherent reason for even going down that road.

As for the attacking and swarming it is atrocious, here at DU. I see little difference between your denialism and climate science denialism.

[restorefreedom]

243. iraq war. fracking. quaddafi. syria. tpp. death penalty. wall street.

those are just the ones at the top of my head where her decisions imo do not reflect my ethics.

and many other agree. ethics is a tricky area, but i am not in denial about anything. her politics do not reflect ethical behavior in any way imo and do not reflect a world view i care to subscribe to.

you are free to disagree.

[Cary]

246. It seems I posted that in the wrong place.

I'm sorry for attributing words to you that weren't yours.

[restorefreedom]

248. i didn't get that vibe at all, but ok, thanks. nt

[rocktivity]

126. Hillary's staying in until the convention in '08 didn't do her any harm...

Can't democratic socialists have glass ceilngs, too?

rocktivity

[democrattotheend]

176. She didn't stay in until the convention

She endorsed Obama the Saturday after the last primaries.

[JDPriestly]

128. I'm in until the White House.

You never know what will happen. Bernie came so close to winning in the caucuses. South Carolina is a hurdle, but then what is the chance that any Democrat will win in South Carolina in November. South Carolina is irrelevant until the Democrats IN SOUTH CAROLINA make it a state that is relevant enough to decide who will be our Democratic nominee.

So, I'm in until the White House.

[AxionExcel]

129. Thank you Senator Sanders, for representing the interests of the people

[Renew Deal]

130. So was Dennis Kucinich

[whatchamacallit]

133. Which means what?

[Renew Deal]

139. He knows the end is near and his declaration is meaningless

[frylock]

135. How many primary victories did Dennis notch?

[Renew Deal]

138. 1 less than Bernie

[frylock]

141. So then no comparison.

Thanks.

[Renew Deal]

144. The comparison will be more obvious soon

[frylock]

148. Or nah.

[droidamus2]

131. The difference

The difference between Bernie's campaign and previous campaigns is he is not beholden to big money contributors. Just look at Jeb Bush he did not do well enough in the early primaries so the money dried up and he had to suspend his campaign. I do not think Bernie will have that problem as he is bring in money from a broad spectrum of voters who believe in his cause. So it is on to Philadelphia and let the cards all where they may.

[PatrickforO]

134. Good, and millions of us will be with him all the way.

[Renew Deal]

137. Candidates only say stuff like this when they know they're going to lose

Winners don't have to make such declarations.

[restorefreedom]

142. do winners panic and slime their opponents with lies?

because that is what the clinton campaign has been doing.....

[Renew Deal]

146. Good luck with that

[restorefreedom]

150. the truth doesn't need luck, but thanks! nt

[PoliticAverse]

149. Many candidates have said this and drop out when the money dries up (campaigns cost a lot to run)

or when clearly mathematically eliminated.

Martin O'Malley said a similar thing right before he dropped out.

I don't put much stock in suck comments.

[restorefreedom]

153. well, with bernie's money, his support,

his non reliance on big donors, and his 4 million individual donations, i don't think he has anything to worry about.

and since it is delegate apportioned, they will both keep collecting delegates. right now it is tied 51-51.

[Mbrow]

155. K&R Thank for posting

[restorefreedom]

165. :) nt

[Blue_In_AK]

157. I am pleased that he's saying this.

Granted, Super Tuesday could throw a lot of delegates Hillary's way, but Bernie is significantly ahead in several of the later states. A vigorous primary is good practice for the eventual winner, in my opinion.

[restorefreedom]

162. yes, and his team is keeping a close eye on states more favorable

we might have a tough patch in the short term, but with apportionment, he will still get lots of delegates.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

161. I saw a lot of hate at our caucus from the Hillary side of the table....

Some of them saw the Bernie side as a bunch of moochers.

[restorefreedom]

164. not a surprising attitude of the oligarchs. nt

[dana_b]

200. whoever wins the nomination is going to have a tough time

convincing the other side to join them. it could be very ugly.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

209. I would not be surprised to see Sanders supporters stay home in protest....

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Hillary voters vote Republican in protest.

[Sunlei]

167. I expect Senator Sanders to stay in this race & remain the voice of about half our Party.

I expect Mrs. Clinton to start to listen to Bernie more. I don't want her to listen and speak with Sanders like she's in another "Diplomatic discussion". They're both in the SAME party, they have to work together to put those two halves together.

[mariawr]

170. Good. nt

[CorkySt.Clair]

171. I look forward to his convention speech

On Wednesday night.

[restorefreedom]

188. is that when the nominee speaks? cuz it will be him nt

[dana_b]

199. Thank you Bernie!! And we will be there for you too

all the way to the convention.

So proud of him!

[ultragreen]

204. Bernie has an obligation to speak truth to power

and we have an obligation to assist him in this process. Otherwise, the Ship of State will sink.

[restorefreedom]

205. yes! and welcome to du! nt

[rpannier]

211. If Chuck Todd predicted it

You know it's wrong

[NurseJackie]

218. We can count. We'll still know he's not the nominee even if he chooses to not drop out ...

... even when he has no mathematical possibility of becoming the nominee. If he wants to defiantly take it all the way "until the convention", I suppose that's his choice ... but it won't change the numbers, and he won't be the nominee no matter what he does. He won't have the delegates.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

[restorefreedom]

221. if you can count, which of course you can,

then you know that right now, pledged delegates are tied 51/51

lots of states left, and he has momentum and money. its really up for grabs at this point

[greymouse]

226. I sent in another contribution to Bernie yesterday.

Plan to keep this up all the way to the convention.

The media loves Hillary. If you listened to them, at first Bernie didn't exist, now his campaign is over. I think not.

[restorefreedom]

229. yeah, they are just waaaaaay too obvious

i donated to bernie last week...gonna be due again soon

bernie= people powered!

[Lazy Daisy]

228. I found this and had to share

https://www.facebook.com/Women4Bernie/photos/a.1631131427100030.1073741830.1631000187113154/1715427675337071/?type=3&theater

[restorefreedom]

230. excellent! nt

[deutsey]

232. I'm with him all the way

Honestly, I never expected that he would snag the nomination, given party politics in this country, but he's done everything I hoped he would and much, much more.

I planned to be with Bernie until the end of his campaign and that hasn't changed.

[liberalnarb]

233. There are only two candidates left.

They're both in until the end.

[Trust Buster]

234. I think it's important for Democrats to coalesce around the eventual nominee as soon as possible.

We've all watched the rancor toward the two candidates on this forum. It's important that, when the apparent nominee surfaces, that we heal the divisive feelings that this primary season has evoked as soon as possible.

[restorefreedom]

238. the apparent nom probably won't be apparent until the convention.

this will be a competitive process all the way through

[aikoaiko]

237. fuggin A! Go Bernie.

[restorefreedom]

255. thank you. you made my point perfectly!

this is not even remotely over. it wont be over after super tuesday either. both candidtes will keep collecting delegates over a long period, and at the convention, one will have more than the other.

bernie is not getting out.

[restorefreedom]

258. well. we will have to disagree

the only people i see thinking he is a loser are those invested in him losing.

the states are grouped in such a way as to appear hillary is in a strong position after tuesday. but bernie will win states, and delegates on super tuesday. then there will be a stretch more favorable to bernie. and so it will go all the way to philly.

he has money and a huge fundraising ability. he will stay until the nominee is voted on at the convention.

[restorefreedom]

260. i will. and i don't doubt he is an underdog. but he always was. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

254. I'm with him and what he stands for all the way to the convention and beyond.