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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:36 AM Feb 2016

Clinton: It’s ‘wrong’ for Bernie Sanders to make campaign promises he can’t keep

HOUSTON — Fresh off her victory in Nevada, Hillary Clinton sought to turn Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’s promises of cheap government-run health care and free college tuition into a liability at a late-night rally in Texas on Saturday night.

Clinton characterized Sanders’s promises as “wrong,” adding a more personal dimension to her frequent criticism of his plans as unlikely to be achieved and impractical.

“I don’t think it’s right to look a person in the eye who’s hurting and needs help and tell them that if they vote for you, you’ll get $5,000 of health care and only have to pay for $500 for it,” Clinton said at Texas Southern University. “You shouldn’t say that unless you can really deliver it you can’t deliver it.”

“If the numbers don’t add up, it’s wrong to make those promises,” she said at the campaign rally, which drew about 2,000 people. “Because it’s not just about math, it’s about people’s lives.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/21/clinton-its-wrong-for-bernie-sanders-to-make-campaign-promises-he-cant-keep/
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Clinton: It’s ‘wrong’ for Bernie Sanders to make campaign promises he can’t keep (Original Post) SecularMotion Feb 2016 OP
Lying again. He has been clear: it will take a new congress cali Feb 2016 #1
He won't provide a new Congress, that is now clear. Hortensis Feb 2016 #27
HRC - Still Pandering To The Masses - With Ever More Untruth cantbeserious Feb 2016 #2
She's one to lecture about right and wrong. bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #3
She's absolutely correct, you know. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #4
She's a corrupt liar with horrible judgment cali Feb 2016 #5
Jury Results 24601 Feb 2016 #12
My undergrad was the equivalent of a Major in Poly Sci (my school didn't have majors back then) 24601 Feb 2016 #16
No, she is wrong... chervilant Feb 2016 #11
and every one of her promised Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #26
That's some massive projection from the candidate jfern Feb 2016 #6
It's typical Clinton sleaze shit. cali Feb 2016 #7
Is it wrong to promise lobbyist she can deliver safeinOhio Feb 2016 #8
Vote for me, the corrupt lying dream crusher! cali Feb 2016 #9
She's trying really hard EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #10
HRC:"You're asking me to say I have never, I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will" nc4bo Feb 2016 #13
Yes, she is repulsive. Yes, she is ruthless. NoSeVaya Feb 2016 #14
It's wrong for the Clintons to misrepresent their positions on TPP, etc. Skwmom Feb 2016 #15
Her campaign is shameful. Broward Feb 2016 #17
She'll lower that family health care insurance price tag from $5,000 to $4,900 and say it's progress reformist2 Feb 2016 #19
She's toeing the line of the insurance/health-care industry. Customers must pay through the nose! reformist2 Feb 2016 #18
Pot, meet kettle. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #20
Sowing discord that will linger long after the primaries end IS wrong. ucrdem Feb 2016 #21
Exactly, the numbers do not add up itsrobert Feb 2016 #22
Clinton's solution? MattSh Feb 2016 #23
Because she knows who 'delivering' would hurt ..... and it wouldn't be those asking for change. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #25
That seems to be the strategy loyalsister Feb 2016 #37
Going for the Homer vote JBoy Feb 2016 #24
It's wrong of Hillary to not even try Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #28
Bernie knows he can't deliver redstateblues Feb 2016 #29
The Lady doth protest too much, Methinks. n/t PeoViejo Feb 2016 #30
It's also wrong to attack your husband's accusers... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #31
And how is she going to deliver the free community college? thesquanderer Feb 2016 #32
with all civility, The Clinton Foundation provided 'free' education & medical care for foreigners. Sunlei Feb 2016 #33
So is Clinton wrong to do the same thing? jeff47 Feb 2016 #34
It is wrong to vote for international war crimes. PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #35
She is making liberal promises too TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #36
Kick SecularMotion Feb 2016 #38
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. Lying again. He has been clear: it will take a new congress
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:38 AM
Feb 2016

for him to pass much of anything and that is true for the liar too.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. He won't provide a new Congress, that is now clear.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:36 AM
Feb 2016

He knows that. We know that. Do all those people who flock to his fed-up message know that?

I brushed off Bernie's demagogery for months because he's running for election and that's fairly normal for candidates, plus...who knew for sure? But, as time went on and it became clear the massive support wasn't materializing, it became...inappropriate to excuse. Without that tidal wave carrying him and many new people into office, he not only cannot achieve what he promises but is a poor substitute for a far stronger and more competent candidate with a large and positive plan for accomplishing a great deal that we can achieve.

Note also that many experts feel Hillary is significantly more likely to help carry more Democratic congressional and state candidates to victory with her, including taking the Senate! She has real potential to be a more powerful president.

Whoever it is in the end, let's hope that is the case, right?

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
3. She's one to lecture about right and wrong.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:39 AM
Feb 2016

The washington post is pure propaganda at this point. This primary has opened a lot of eyes.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. She's a corrupt liar with horrible judgment
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:42 AM
Feb 2016

I've been saying for years here that she cannot win a national election

She is repugnant

24601

(3,962 posts)
12. Jury Results
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:04 AM
Feb 2016

On Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:51 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

She's a corrupt liar with horrible judgment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1294800

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Oh ffs. Over the top attacks over and over on a winning Dem candidate. What is this, Free Republic? B

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:59 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Good, bad, indifferent she will most likely be the nominee. Acceptance is part of the grief process.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Over the top? Get a grip on reality. That's not even close.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: the alert reason is nastier than than the reply that has been alerted
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: if there is anywhere to say it, this is the place. Not a lot different from other posts in this forum
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

24601

(3,962 posts)
16. My undergrad was the equivalent of a Major in Poly Sci (my school didn't have majors back then)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:34 AM
Feb 2016

It's interesting, but the sample size is too small to draw any inference over the politics of the jury vote. At 7 AM on a Sunday, I'll bet the jury pool isn't that large.

Also, a few other thoughts.

Jury instructions are to apply DU standards rather than vote for the candidate of your choice. Even in our politically-active population, it's likely that some DUers will follow the instructions. Some probably will not.

In this regard, I'm also recalling my time in the Army - there is a few UCMJ punitive articles that apply to Officers, Cadets & Midshipman but not to Enlisted personnel. One of them is Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and Gentleman/Gentlewoman. The other is Contempt Towards Officials. It singles out a handful of people like POTUS, VPOTUS, SECDEF, the Governor if the State you are in, and a few more.

The elements of proof are
First, that the Officer, Cadet or midshipman/woman said/wrote words about the "protected" [my word] official and second, that in the context they were said, the words were contemptuous. Importantly, unlike the civil torts of libel or slander, the truth of the words is not a defense.

In the 90s, an Air Force Major General (2-star) remarked in a graduation address that Bill Clinton was a draft-dodging, dome-smoking womanizer. He was punished and his career was effectively over. I suppose if he had added...And as a fighter pilot, I recognize him as one of us and induct him as an honorary fighter pilot - Go Bill, save a few for us dude! the intent would not have been contemptuous and he could have been found no guilty.

So what is our real standard on DU? Is truth a defense? If it is opinion, if the poster sincerely believes it (hard to judge sometimes) should we let it stand? Should certain attacks on ANYBODY (for example going NAZI when it's not referring to a WWI NAZI) be removed without a jury because that kind of post degrades us as a community?

What I believe it is right now is that if four of the seven tend to agree and chuckle to them self, "well that captures the SOB the way I like", it stands.

I think we can do better. If I was doing Opposition Research for a Republican candidate, I would have a few staff LIVE on DU just to find the most vicious over the top comments of the day and send them to allied press that would put Democratic Candidates on the spot about disavowing to comments - just to drive wedges through fault lines.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
13. HRC:"You're asking me to say I have never, I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will"
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:24 AM
Feb 2016
“The fact Hillary Clinton felt the need to waffle on a question about whether she is a liar is precisely why two-thirds of the American people think she’s dishonest and untrustworthy," RNC spokesman Michael Short said in a statement.

The Clinton campaign did not respond to a request for comment or clarification.



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-shes-truth-americans/story?id=37043658
 

NoSeVaya

(12 posts)
14. Yes, she is repulsive. Yes, she is ruthless.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:26 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:43 AM - Edit history (1)

As per a Christopher Hitchens video that was recently posted on this site, her loyalties are, #1, to herself and, #2, to her husband, and ,now, maybe, to her daughter. That's it. She lies compulsively and, for no real reason-----just makes stuff up. Before her absolutely disreputable behavior and low life tactics during this primary, I would have voted for her. Not now. I am an older woman who has made, pathetically I suppose, the decision that I can not vote for her. I think she is vile and cowardly. In the last several months, she has absolutely turned me around and turned me off (along with the DNC and associated democrats). If she is the nominee, I will write in Bernie Sanders. Sad, huh. I've given this some real thought, and I have resolved not to change my mind. I have determined that she is absolutely despicable.
Here is the Hitchens Video. 5 minutes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017331580

And, some of her lies. All of the republicans are sick and twisted, but how can we elect a compulsive, acknowledged and, even admitted liar to the presidency? WOW!!!
I guess everybody has seen this, but it's worth repeating. View the liar.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017331580









Broward

(1,976 posts)
17. Her campaign is shameful.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:46 AM
Feb 2016

It's incredibly disappointing that more people don't see through her bullshit. Her presidency would be a disaster for almost all of us.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
19. She'll lower that family health care insurance price tag from $5,000 to $4,900 and say it's progress
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:58 AM
Feb 2016

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
18. She's toeing the line of the insurance/health-care industry. Customers must pay through the nose!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:56 AM
Feb 2016

How dare Bernie keep floating the idea of subsidized health care - subsidized anything??? You heard it from her - a family who needs "5,000 dollars worth of health care" won't be getting any relief from her!

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
21. Sowing discord that will linger long after the primaries end IS wrong.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:46 AM
Feb 2016

And coming from a "Democrat" makes it worse.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
25. Because she knows who 'delivering' would hurt ..... and it wouldn't be those asking for change. nt.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:26 AM
Feb 2016

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
37. That seems to be the strategy
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

Instead of saying we can do better, she seems to be betting that people who were hopeful through Obama's campaign and disappointed after will find a depressing, low bar candidate appealing.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
28. It's wrong of Hillary to not even try
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:42 AM
Feb 2016

To represent the New Deal values of the Democratic Party and to consistently appease the interests of corporate America.

 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
31. It's also wrong to attack your husband's accusers...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:48 AM
Feb 2016

It's wrong to take millions in speaking fees and campaign contributions and claim you are impartial...

It's wrong to invade countries and depose dictators with no plan of how to secure the peace...

It's wrong to lie about and distort your opponents record...

It's wrong to store classified material on an unsecured network...

But whatever, right?

thesquanderer

(11,992 posts)
32. And how is she going to deliver the free community college?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:49 AM
Feb 2016

You know, the program that Obama hasn't been able to get passed?

At least Sanders tell us he can't do it alone. So who is being more honest?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
33. with all civility, The Clinton Foundation provided 'free' education & medical care for foreigners.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

Why can't those Foundation goals, and 'awesome' Foundation Fund raising, awesome campaign fund raising- be applied to Americans?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. So is Clinton wrong to do the same thing?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:15 PM
Feb 2016

I really want someone to ask her how she gets the Republicans to vote to expand the ACA.

It's one of her "promises". And she can't keep it. Along with many, many other promises.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
36. She is making liberal promises too
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:19 PM
Feb 2016

None of them will pass with a GOP Congress. Difference between the two is Bernie won't sign TPP while Hillary will. Bernie won't support regime change for the hell of it, while Hillary will (Syria/Libya).

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