2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNATE SILVER: "It's possible Bernie Sanders will win every single caucus from here on out"
Nate Silver 5:35 PM
While Clinton has won the first two caucuses in the Democratic race while losing New Hampshire, the only primary its possible that Bernie Sanders will win every state caucus from here on out.
Heres why I say that. The remaining Democratic states to hold caucuses are: Alaska, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Minnesota, Nebraska, Washington and Wyoming. Other than Hawaii where Im not going to pretend we have any earthly idea whats going to happen those are a bunch of really white states that otherwise look favorable for Sanders and which he could win even if he slightly trails Clinton nationally.
Clinton is probably favored in the territorial caucuses in American Samoa, Guam and the Virgin Islands, however, as territorial caucuses tend to heavily favor establishment candidates.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/nevada-caucus-south-carolina-primary-presidential-election-2016/?#livepress-update-16903922
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)caucus in March if I have to walk there.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)With lube.
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)It's also just as possible that Hillary will win them all because all of those states are very conservative and may not go for a Socialist. I know it is extremely doubtful he could win in Wyoming, for example.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)Wyoming's conservatives are Republicans.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I spent more than half my life there and my family still lives there.
The politics in Wyoming are just slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)your right-wing family.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Sanders has no ground game in the state. Hilary has workers all over the state.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Alaska Natives(Native Americans of Alaska), Filipinos, Latinos, Samoans, significant AA communities in Juneau, Anchorage and Fairbanks, a surprisingly large Muslim community,...we are Not "a really white state".
If we were, Jesse Jackson wouldn't have won our caucuses in 1988.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I'm sure of it.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Did you get the memo about the end of the 20th century?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Now that people are wondering why she seems to eek out caucus victories, she'll probably back off to avoid suspicions.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Which I could see supporting Sanders.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)that Bernie has a 14-point lead over Hillary in Alaska. And this state is not as lily-white as they imply. Not as many AAs here as some other places, but we do have a large Native Alaskan, Pacific Islander and Asian population.
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)I'd say Sanders has a very good chance to win Washington. Our caucuses tend to be more liberal than the party as a whole.
So Washington is Sanders to lose.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I got two more Bernie supporters going, too.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Sanders would be great!!! Plenty of my friends, some of who have been republican until recently, are rooting for him. Clinton would be good but Sanders would be great!!!
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Unless Latinos, Filipinos, Pacific Islanders and Native Americans are all white now...which would be news to them.
And today's results totally discredit the "only white people support Bernie" meme.
Bernie is only
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)most by large margins. the polls were way the hell off. they didn't poll urban areas- whoops.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Hillary won everywhere there is a heavy Latino presence. Bernie swept the whiter precincts. The poll was useless again.
Why do you think people were yelling at Huerta to "get off the stage"- because they were winning?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And it makes no sense that Dolores Huerta is backing a candidate who has no Bobby Kennedy passion for defending the powerless.
The immigration bill she's mad about was morally discredited by the slave labor guest worker provisions.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)That's not to say Clinton can relax after Nevada. Even after her campaign tried to call Sanders' commitment to immigration reform into question and Clinton promised to put forward immigration legislation on the issue during her first 100 days in office, she lost Latino voters to Sanders 53 percent to 45 percent.
South Carolina does not have a large population of Hispanic voters, but Texas and Colorado do, and both will go to the polls on Super Tuesday. If Sanders' success among Latinos extends beyond Nevada, that could spell trouble for Clinton in delegate-rich states like Florida, New York and California and give Sanders staying power.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nevada-democratic-caucus-hillary-clinton-wins-black-voters-loses-hispanics/
Metric System
(6,048 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)dsc
(52,166 posts)and she carried people of color, the category Latinos were grouped in. Not only is it in dispute it is the opposite of a fact. Your are plain, flat out, making shit up.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Because Hillary lost in all of those states in 2008.
6chars
(3,967 posts)It's about delegates in every state. This is like saying Hillary has the edge in states beginning with S, T and U.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Those are very small delegate states.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)the fix Is in.clinton will win every caucus.the dem establishment has them all fixed.
Silver is doing what the dem establishment wants.trick people into thinking they have choice.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Igel
(35,359 posts)as all the air molecules in the room randomly wind up in the upper SE corner.
If we just talk possibility, then the best we can say it's highly improbable and not impossible.
As for the caucuses, the data I've seen so far (neither ignoring it nor obsessing about it) shows a lot of variation but even stronger divergence between reality and assumptions. Predictive statistics relies on assumptions.
I'll go with a "he'll win some, he'll lose some." And since my opinion's irrelevant and reality doesn't give a rat's assumption about what I think, and since the events haven't been held yet, I'll be a nice observer and observe while letting my adrenals and para-adrenals rest.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Gothmog
(145,567 posts)A while back the Sanders team was focusing on caucus states and taking a play out of the Obama playbook in part due to the realization that many more diverse primary states will be difficult for Sanders to compete in prhttp://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-iowa-obama-playbook-218137
Story Continued Below
The idea is to take advantage of the caucus format, which tends to reward campaigns with the most dedicated partisans. The caucuses play to Sanders strength in another important way they are largely held in states that are heavily white, which helps Sanders neutralize Clintons edge with minority voters.
With a dozen such contests coming before the end of March and Clinton expected to perform well on March 1, the first big multi-state primary day -- the caucuses are emerging as an integral part of Sanders long-shot plan.
Caucuses are very good for Bernie Sanders, explained chief Sanders strategist Tad Devine, likening the 2016 strategy to the one he deployed as Mike Dukakis field director in 1988. Caucuses tend to be in the much-lower turnout universe, and having people who intensely support you in events like that makes a huge difference. You saw that with President Obama in 2008, and youre going to see it with Bernie Sanders."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-iowa-obama-playbook-218137#ixzz40lc9azQk
I have a feeling that Sanders may continue to rely on caucus states but there are too few delegates in these states to make a difference
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Nate Silver can go pound salt up where his head likes to go. Meanwhile, it will be because of hard work in remaining states, and not because only white people can hear the message.
Jeebus H K-righst!