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FourScore

(9,704 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:40 AM Feb 2016

NATE SILVER: "It's possible Bernie Sanders will win every single caucus from here on out"

Nate Silver 5:35 PM

While Clinton has won the first two caucuses in the Democratic race — while losing New Hampshire, the only primary — it’s possible that Bernie Sanders will win every state caucus from here on out.

Here’s why I say that. The remaining Democratic states to hold caucuses are: Alaska, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Minnesota, Nebraska, Washington and Wyoming. Other than Hawaii — where I’m not going to pretend we have any earthly idea what’s going to happen — those are a bunch of really white states that otherwise look favorable for Sanders and which he could win even if he slightly trails Clinton nationally.

Clinton is probably favored in the territorial caucuses in American Samoa, Guam and the Virgin Islands, however, as territorial caucuses tend to heavily favor “establishment” candidates.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/nevada-caucus-south-carolina-primary-presidential-election-2016/?#livepress-update-16903922

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NATE SILVER: "It's possible Bernie Sanders will win every single caucus from here on out" (Original Post) FourScore Feb 2016 OP
Well isn't that something! Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #1
he's up 14 points over her here in Alaska. I'm going to the fucking roguevalley Feb 2016 #12
If there is a fucking caucus I am moving to Alaska AngryAmish Feb 2016 #37
Lol! n/t A Little Weird Feb 2016 #42
BWAHAHAHAHA! AngryAmish, you can sit next to me. :D:D:D roguevalley Feb 2016 #46
It is possible. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #2
You forget that... k8conant Feb 2016 #6
So are Wyoming's Democrats MohRokTah Feb 2016 #7
Well, I hope my brother's family will cancel out... k8conant Feb 2016 #9
Lifelong Democrats all. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #10
she hasn't got a prayer in Alaska roguevalley Feb 2016 #13
For the most part, agreed eom MohRokTah Feb 2016 #17
And Alaska is heavily multiracial Ken Burch Feb 2016 #23
Bernie would do much better in the general here, Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #18
I agree and he would get cross over repubs. Hi, Blue. :D roguevalley Feb 2016 #19
No wonder you think Hillary will play well there. nt Lorien Feb 2016 #14
It's not Hillary playing well, it's Sanders playing poorly. eom MohRokTah Feb 2016 #15
"Socialist!" has no scary ring to it for anyone born after 1980. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #39
Not if the fix is in. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #3
She probably just wants to fix it enough to give her that little push. bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #4
There's no "fix." I am not believing the conspiracies around here!! nt BreakfastClub Feb 2016 #27
OTOH Samoa has a posed off pro independence bloc Recursion Feb 2016 #5
I read here a few days ago Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #8
Given my past experience Buzz cook Feb 2016 #11
I amgoing and my pricinct is in Bellevue. artislife Feb 2016 #20
Only Seattle really. nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #25
Cool, Eko Feb 2016 #16
Alaska and Colorado are NOT "really white states" Ken Burch Feb 2016 #21
Bernie lost every majority latino area.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #22
He carried Latinos in Iowa and Nevada. That is not in dispute. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #24
Not in Nevada, nope. That polling was of by 8% or so in total, named Bernie the winner.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #26
Bernie carried the Latino vote. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #28
Nope. Look at maps, and do the math. The poll you refer to was completely discredited. bettyellen Feb 2016 #30
CBS News: In Nevada, Hillary Clinton wins black voters, loses Hispanics w4rma Feb 2016 #32
They're basing that on the entrance poll. The actual results say otherwise. Metric System Feb 2016 #33
You would like to believe that, but everyone is saying that you are wrong. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #34
That has been debunked all over the place. Bohunk68 Feb 2016 #36
Iowa didn't poll Latnios at all dsc Feb 2016 #43
It's not only possible, it's highly likely. Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #29
Is there an election for caucus President? 6chars Feb 2016 #31
He's already President of the Internet nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #35
And even if he does it will have little impact on final result. DCBob Feb 2016 #38
no it's not Robbins Feb 2016 #40
ol, let's go.... kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #41
It's possible I'll suffocate in the next second Igel Feb 2016 #44
With the planned chaos, ditry tricks we've seen so far? Skwmom Feb 2016 #45
Politico has a good article on the Sanders' campaign decision to focus on caucuses Gothmog Feb 2016 #47
Sounds like a fucking race-baiting comment to me... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #48

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
12. he's up 14 points over her here in Alaska. I'm going to the fucking
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:11 AM
Feb 2016

caucus in March if I have to walk there.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
2. It is possible.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:44 AM
Feb 2016

It's also just as possible that Hillary will win them all because all of those states are very conservative and may not go for a Socialist. I know it is extremely doubtful he could win in Wyoming, for example.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
7. So are Wyoming's Democrats
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:54 AM
Feb 2016

I spent more than half my life there and my family still lives there.

The politics in Wyoming are just slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
10. Lifelong Democrats all.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:59 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders has no ground game in the state. Hilary has workers all over the state.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
23. And Alaska is heavily multiracial
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:26 AM
Feb 2016

Alaska Natives(Native Americans of Alaska), Filipinos, Latinos, Samoans, significant AA communities in Juneau, Anchorage and Fairbanks, a surprisingly large Muslim community,...we are Not "a really white state".

If we were, Jesse Jackson wouldn't have won our caucuses in 1988.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
39. "Socialist!" has no scary ring to it for anyone born after 1980.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:31 AM
Feb 2016

Did you get the memo about the end of the 20th century?

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
4. She probably just wants to fix it enough to give her that little push.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:50 AM
Feb 2016

Now that people are wondering why she seems to eek out caucus victories, she'll probably back off to avoid suspicions.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
8. I read here a few days ago
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:56 AM
Feb 2016

that Bernie has a 14-point lead over Hillary in Alaska. And this state is not as lily-white as they imply. Not as many AAs here as some other places, but we do have a large Native Alaskan, Pacific Islander and Asian population.

Buzz cook

(2,474 posts)
11. Given my past experience
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:00 AM
Feb 2016

I'd say Sanders has a very good chance to win Washington. Our caucuses tend to be more liberal than the party as a whole.

So Washington is Sanders to lose.

Eko

(7,359 posts)
16. Cool,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:19 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders would be great!!! Plenty of my friends, some of who have been republican until recently, are rooting for him. Clinton would be good but Sanders would be great!!!

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
21. Alaska and Colorado are NOT "really white states"
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:21 AM
Feb 2016

Unless Latinos, Filipinos, Pacific Islanders and Native Americans are all white now...which would be news to them.

And today's results totally discredit the "only white people support Bernie" meme.

Bernie is only

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
22. Bernie lost every majority latino area....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:25 AM
Feb 2016

most by large margins. the polls were way the hell off. they didn't poll urban areas- whoops.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
26. Not in Nevada, nope. That polling was of by 8% or so in total, named Bernie the winner....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:36 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary won everywhere there is a heavy Latino presence. Bernie swept the whiter precincts. The poll was useless again.
Why do you think people were yelling at Huerta to "get off the stage"- because they were winning?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
28. Bernie carried the Latino vote.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:40 AM
Feb 2016

And it makes no sense that Dolores Huerta is backing a candidate who has no Bobby Kennedy passion for defending the powerless.

The immigration bill she's mad about was morally discredited by the slave labor guest worker provisions.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
32. CBS News: In Nevada, Hillary Clinton wins black voters, loses Hispanics
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:02 AM
Feb 2016

That's not to say Clinton can relax after Nevada. Even after her campaign tried to call Sanders' commitment to immigration reform into question and Clinton promised to put forward immigration legislation on the issue during her first 100 days in office, she lost Latino voters to Sanders 53 percent to 45 percent.

South Carolina does not have a large population of Hispanic voters, but Texas and Colorado do, and both will go to the polls on Super Tuesday. If Sanders' success among Latinos extends beyond Nevada, that could spell trouble for Clinton in delegate-rich states like Florida, New York and California and give Sanders staying power.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nevada-democratic-caucus-hillary-clinton-wins-black-voters-loses-hispanics/

dsc

(52,166 posts)
43. Iowa didn't poll Latnios at all
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:48 AM
Feb 2016

and she carried people of color, the category Latinos were grouped in. Not only is it in dispute it is the opposite of a fact. Your are plain, flat out, making shit up.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
31. Is there an election for caucus President?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:12 AM
Feb 2016

It's about delegates in every state. This is like saying Hillary has the edge in states beginning with S, T and U.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
38. And even if he does it will have little impact on final result.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:28 AM
Feb 2016

Those are very small delegate states.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
40. no it's not
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:32 AM
Feb 2016

the fix Is in.clinton will win every caucus.the dem establishment has them all fixed.

Silver is doing what the dem establishment wants.trick people into thinking they have choice.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
44. It's possible I'll suffocate in the next second
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:13 PM
Feb 2016

as all the air molecules in the room randomly wind up in the upper SE corner.

If we just talk possibility, then the best we can say it's highly improbable and not impossible.

As for the caucuses, the data I've seen so far (neither ignoring it nor obsessing about it) shows a lot of variation but even stronger divergence between reality and assumptions. Predictive statistics relies on assumptions.

I'll go with a "he'll win some, he'll lose some." And since my opinion's irrelevant and reality doesn't give a rat's assumption about what I think, and since the events haven't been held yet, I'll be a nice observer and observe while letting my adrenals and para-adrenals rest.

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
47. Politico has a good article on the Sanders' campaign decision to focus on caucuses
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:48 PM
Feb 2016

A while back the Sanders team was focusing on caucus states and taking a play out of the Obama playbook in part due to the realization that many more diverse primary states will be difficult for Sanders to compete in prhttp://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-iowa-obama-playbook-218137

The Sanders campaign is finalizing plans for its alternative route to the Democratic nomination, a classic insurgent strategy that is heavily reliant on the limited number of states holding caucuses.
Story Continued Below

The idea is to take advantage of the caucus format, which tends to reward campaigns with the most dedicated partisans. The caucuses play to Sanders’ strength in another important way – they are largely held in states that are heavily white, which helps Sanders neutralize Clinton’s edge with minority voters.

With a dozen such contests coming before the end of March – and Clinton expected to perform well on March 1, the first big multi-state primary day -- the caucuses are emerging as an integral part of Sanders’ long-shot plan.

“Caucuses are very good for Bernie Sanders,” explained chief Sanders strategist Tad Devine, likening the 2016 strategy to the one he deployed as Mike Dukakis’ field director in 1988. “Caucuses tend to be in the much-lower turnout universe, and having people who intensely support you in events like that makes a huge difference. You saw that with President Obama in 2008, and you’re going to see it with Bernie Sanders."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-iowa-obama-playbook-218137#ixzz40lc9azQk

I have a feeling that Sanders may continue to rely on caucus states but there are too few delegates in these states to make a difference

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
48. Sounds like a fucking race-baiting comment to me...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

Nate Silver can go pound salt up where his head likes to go. Meanwhile, it will be because of hard work in remaining states, and not because only white people can hear the message.

Jeebus H K-righst!

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