A disturbing trend is emerging from the Clinton campaign and civil rights/race.

[bobbobbins01]

Dolores Huerta claims Sander's supporters chanted 'English only'. This was almost immediately proven to be false.

She was forced to backtrack.

John Lewis claimed he met the Clinton's in the 60s and implied Bernie Sanders wasn't there.

He was forced to backtrack.

The photo of Bernie that wasn't Bernie, that was Bernie again.

The reporter was forced to backtrack(in a dickish way).

I hope Clinton supporters are really proud of the campaign she's running. Maybe you should ask yourselves why she's putting good people in these kind of positions where they have to lie and then cover their asses instead of carrying water for a corrupt and dirty campaign.

[villager]

1. It's been really really sleazy.... and doesn't bode well, unfortunately. nt

[bobbobbins01]

7. I thought the Democratic party was about integrity and honesty.

Its one of the things that separate us from republicans. Facts. It really saddens me to see people who are supposed to be on the same team embrace lies and bullshit just for the sake of winning.

[PeteSelman]

28. Hahaha! Integrity and honesty? It's politics.

You can't possibly be serious.

[bobbobbins01]

53. Well as I said, I thought that...

But I've since wised up. I'm just hoping voting for Sanders will cause some kind of course correction to pull us out of the mire, even if only a little bit.

[mrmpa]

253. Well that's the problem........

you thought. Both parties do not want thinkers, they only want those who will kowtow to those in power.

[rhett o rick]

229. Yeah, like having we aren't serious about upholding standards and decent principles.

If we wanted Third Way, lie, cheat and steal principles, we would be Republicons.

Another poster put it well: "Take the chance - accept the challenge - join the movement that can Change the Narrative. "

[PeteSelman]

260. I understand your point.

And who wouldn't want those things?

It's just not realistic to expect them. That isn't how the game is played.

[amborin]

31. it lost its way some time ago nt

[newthinking]

256. Huerta really hurt herself and I have *no doubt* she is getting heat

from people who have worked with her.

I mean having SNOPES point out one's mistake publicly is pretty hard to intellectually dismiss internally.

I don't think that will hurt Bernie at all in the long run.

[jfern]

40. Exactly, the party is greatly damaging themselves with these tacticts

If Bernie doesn't get the nomination, it will gravely hurt the party.

[CorporatistNation]

118. Integrity In The Clinton Fold Is Absent TOTALLY!

Hillary shafting Warren here...

[LeFleur1]

176. Speaking of Integrity

The bill Elizabeth Warren is blabbing about included items detrimental to women, especially divorced women getting child support. When the bill was changed so those detrimental clauses were removed, Hillary voted for it. I see this bit of bitter twist to something true used all the time by the Republicans and now by Independents.

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

188. Please provide a link to evidence...

...supporting that?

[tobefree]

214. waiting.....

waiting...... waiting.......waiting.....

[rhett o rick]

230. I think you got that backwards. Do you have a link?

"Take the chance - accept the challenge - join the movement that can Change the Narrative. "

[Zorra]

237. If you can't provide a link, perhaps you'd at least *backtrack* your accusation? nt

[HooptieWagon]

42. Clinton's? Integrity? Bwahahaha!

They're collecting millions from Wall St to do their bidding...integrity flew out the window 30 years ago.

[bobbobbins01]

60. Clearly, which is why I don't understand the support.

And the continued support after multiple and habitual rat-fuckings.

[HooptieWagon]

66. I don't get the continued minority support either.

To the Clintons, minorities are merely a resource to be exploited during an election, and fucked over afterward. IDK why they keep going back.

[JRug]

82. I don't think it matters whether you or I understand why minority voters support any candidate

I'm concerned with who I'm going to support and I will tell other people why in hopes that they will join me. But if they don't, it's really none of my business why they choose to vote for someone else. And when we keep saying things about black people like "I don't get why they keep going back," that's really insulting to them, like we think they're stupid or something. They're not stupid and we're not smarter or better than they are. They have their reasons for voting the way they do and we should respect that just as I expect other people to respect why I vote the way I do and not tell me that I'm stupid or crazy because I don't agree with them.

[bobbobbins01]

87. Yup...don't tell someone they're getting fucked when they're clearly getting fucked.

Actually fucking them isn't whats insulting, its pointing it out to them.

[HooptieWagon]

97. Better in advance than "told you so" after.

But correct, their vote is theirs. They will reap the benefits or suffer the consequences based on their decision.

[bobbobbins01]

107. This has been pushed so hard by the Clinton campaign.

Don't tell black people how to vote, its insulting! Of course they're saying that, they have the majority of the black vote. Its a chilling effect that keeps white Bernie supporters from saying a word to any black people for fear of being labeled racist or hurting the campaign instead of helping. Same with the Bernie Bros lie, its all just a sham to slow the bleed of supporters long enough for Hillary to eek out a win.

[bettyellen]

144. I can post about twenty links of "white Bernie supporters from saying a word to any black people"

a good half of them on posters' first visits to the AA forum here. The "chilling effect" didn't keep them from making fools of themselves.
Do you want links?

[bobbobbins01]

147. Nope, I already have your number.

You should stop, no one here buys what you're selling.

[rhett o rick]

231. "The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or

go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

We in the 99% have lost ground under the control of the current culture that bows to corporate rule. It makes no sense to continue with the existing culture and expect something different.

"Take the chance - accept the challenge - join the movement that can Change the Narrative. "

[GoneFishin]

156. Yep. It's a campaign tactic. Yes it has been pushed hard. And it has Rovian stink to it.

[JRug]

109. I guess you're pretty upset about how things went tonight.

But cursing me out isn't going to change the results.

All you're doing is feeding into the stereotype that a lot of people think about us. Being mean, vulgar and out of control isn't going to get one single additional vote for Bernie. And who knows how many people you're driving away. Bernie would probably be disgusted to see his face next to your cursing. I know he's better than that but a lot of people don't and probably think that you represent him when all you're doing is making him look bad.

[bobbobbins01]

120. First...learn the difference between someone cursing and being cursed out.

Second, stop pretending you support Sanders. You're doing the exact thing I'm calling out and you are incredibly transparent. No one is fooled.

[greiner3]

224. No reach around either

[redruddyred]

110. i would like to hear some more of those reasons

a couple AA posters have been kind enough to engage with me and i appreciate that. there are places where there are legitimate differences of opinion and i am genuinely curious to understand their perspective.

unfortunately a lot of the arguments for hil don't hold water, and it's unfair to respond to criticisms with "bernie supporters are mean to me!11!!". stupid voting hurts us collectively. i respect your right not to engage but there ought to be some accountability.

[JRug]

117. Do you want to hear them because you're really interested what they think or do you just want to

argue with them and tell them how wrong they are?

I mean, just look at how people are speaking to me in this thread - cursing at me, etc., just because I said I think we should be more respectful of people we disagree with. And we're on the same side! If I were a person of color, I don't know if I would want to talk with any of us considering the way we treat them and even treat each other.

Why do they need to be "accountable?" And who are they supposed to be accountable to: you? Why? They don't have to justify their vote to you or me or anybody else. Don't you realize that saying things like that is really insulting to people of color (or anybody you say it to), you're talking about them and to them like they're inferior to you and they owe you something when they know better than most of us what's in their own best interests and they don't have to answer to anybody for how they vote.

[redruddyred]

131. no one is cursing at you.

i am so sick and tired of this line. you are not being attacked. no one cursed at you.

PoC are absolutely welcome to ask me why i vote the way i do. i will gladly explain. we live in a democracy. the way we vote effects our neighbor. the way we don't vote effects our neighbor. if i were to vote for Trump, i would absolutely deserve any and all flack for supporting a racist candidate. if there were any evidence that sanders were racist or were engaging in hate speech, i would reconsider my allegience.

believe it or not debate is frequently a rational process and some of us engage in it not to persuade but also to better understand our own positions. if we don't discuss, how do we discover new ideas and perspectives? i am open to being wrong. but it's frustrating to me when i see people making bad, irrational decisions which do effect me, and then choose to be offended when i ask them "why".

[Plucketeer]

235. So - just close your eyes...

cross your fingers and mind your own damned business??? THAT'S your approach to seeing that we get honest representation?

YOU feel you're well informed and blessed with rational, objective contemplation, so everyone else is too??? I've got NEWS for you. The amount of MIS-information that's out there - and the erroneous choices that'll be made on those bogus facts is going to DIRECTLY IMPACT YOU. So,,,, go ahead. Say it's none of your business. Say it when you're suffering the consequences of someone else's ignorance. If we end up with Trump.... don't be long-faced. Revel in the fact that democracy has triumphed thanks to the stupidity you didn't lift a finger to dispatch.

[freebrew]

238. Great response...

even better than the hidden post...

[redruddyred]

85. my black friend tells me that a lot of people go on whatever their pastor says

obvi cannot confirm one way or another.

[MisterFred]

257. That's true for Americans in general.

[redruddyred]

259. not in new england: we don't do church

i'm not aware of the dynamics in the rest of the country

[Gene Debs]

200. It's a textbook personality cult. Have you ever heard one of Clinton's really breathless

supporters offer any real, solid justification as to why she should be President? I haven't, only a vague sense the she's "awesome." Have you ever read through the responses to anything posted in the Hillary Clinton group? It's an echo chamber that would rival anything Fox News has ever engineered.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

178. Clinton campaign desperately wants the votes from Black people

The Clinton campaign is very nervous. It is using black people for its own ends. It wants voters to think that Bernie hates black people. They have a major plan to come in at all angles so Black people think she is the right one. The Clinton campaign is sleazy and it has the money to pay hit people. Right from the start the meme was Bernie doesn't resonate with Black people and this is very wrong. Of course then they blame the Sanders campaign for being negative!

[HooptieWagon]

185. Well whatcha gonna do?

I guess AAs are satisfied with the status quo, and are gonna cast their votes for the former supporter of a segregationist. Beats me. It's their vote. At least there's hope with black Millenials, who seem to have figured out the path to a better future. With Clinton, at best things remain the same. If she loses to Any republican, as every poll forecasts, things will be worse. That appears to be their choice.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

189. Maybe most people don't know?

[HooptieWagon]

193. I think many haven't given Sanders a close look...

The lies and propaganda from the media don't help. The younger blacks are probably online more, and may be less affected by the M$M spew. I had hoped they were talking to their parents and grandparents, to show them the lies being spread.

[TransitJohn]

223. Well, that was your first mistake.

Seriously, the Democratic Party is just a political machine that wants to win and keep power and money.

[bvar22]

258. Lets not forget sending her daughter out to LIE for her in front of the World.

Talk about no moral compass.

[Duckhunter935]

2. the sad part

Is the corrections are never played.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

15. Huerta's tweet 'shaming' Sanders supporters was retweeted 1200+ times.

You think many, if any of those people are going to ever see a retraction? I don't.

[Duckhunter935]

27. nope

And she will not tweet a correction or better yet another apology

[Duval]

241. Right. It also makes me angry.

[think]

3. Rep. Luis Gutiérrez "I'm not sure Bernie Sanders likes immigrants"

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/244696-house-dem-im-not-sure-bernie-sanders-likes-immigrants

[redruddyred]

91. sadly bernie is the rare example of a halfway decent politician

so many of them are so mediocre.

i wonder if it was too soon to try for president and we needed to win some smaller races first. my friends in Maine Greens have apparently been somewhat successful at this.

[HooptieWagon]

190. Clinton wants to send them back to die in Honduras.

Which is better than Trumps plan when he beats Hillary.

[Bluenorthwest]

226. He says this about Bernie, son of immigrants. Seriously vile and biased mindset out of Luis whom

I usually or formerly respected. Saying a man does not even like his own family is beyond mere political trash talk and enters into the McCarthy Zone. 'He does not like his own father, hates his mother'. Luis will never have my trust again.

[whatchamacallit]

4. If Bernie did that shit I'd drop him like a bad habit

Guess that's the difference between B and H supporters.

[Live and Learn]

96. Me too. Thank gawd I know he never would. nt

[renate]

114. exactly!

I think I'm being more forgiving of it when it comes from Hillary's campaign than I would be if it came from Bernie's, since what I like so much about him is that he doesn't do this kind of thing, and would apologize and correct the record if he did.

[Chasstev365]

5. a couple more

1. DNC Data breech BS
2. Debbie W Schultz rigging the debate schedule
3.Bernie is not s faithful Jew to Isreal
4. Rep Luis Gutierrez: Berine hates immigrants.

It's disgusting and will cause long term harm.

[nashville_brook]

20. I used to be super enthusiastic about Gutierrez

wonder if it was a carrot or a stick that made him do this.

[jfern]

56. I don't think they really how much damage they are doing to themselves

[Live and Learn]

102. Or do most people really not care? I can't imagine anyone excusing this behavior. nt

[jfern]

104. They are too unethical and power hungry to care

They care only about their own power, and not the little guy.

[hedda_foil]

192. Gutierrez is a big-time Chicago pol and hasn't been clean for a long time, if ever.

I don't think he needed a carrot or a stick. He will always be.found on the establishment side.

[dreamnightwind]

252. My sentiments exactly

Can't stand him, never could, he has the stench of someone serving monied interests.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. capehart has yet to backtrack

Trust me, I am following that for very personal reasons now

[JonLeibowitz]

11. I check his Twitter page every day now. Amazingly he reposts the story!

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. And he gets pounded for it every day

it is kind of funny. Apparently them liberals are meanies.

[bobbobbins01]

14. Yeah, fuck that guy.

He should be fired. The fact that the washington post hasn't yet speaks volumes about that paper.

[redruddyred]

93. everyone knows WP is corporate propaganda anymore nt

[Joe the Revelator]

8. It's because she runs a disgusting campaign that any normal democrat should be ashamed of.

[backscatter712]

174. She'd do better running in the Republican primaries. n/t

[dana_b]

9. I don't understand why people want to support a campaign like this

except to "win"!

[Joe the Revelator]

22. They don't even want to win I don't think...or they somehow think they can do it alone....

And they accuse Bernie supporters of believing in magic and unicorns.

[HooptieWagon]

48. They may block Bernie, but they're not going to win.

Their legacy will be a party split, and a third party formed.

[navarth]

219. No

They'll say it's the fault of Bernie and his supporters. Count on that if she (meh) wins the nom and then loses the general.

[left-of-center2012]

10. 'cause it works, expect more from HRC to come

[nc4bo]

12. Classic Clinton. Let others get busted while keeping pure hands.nt

[jillan]

13. It is disturbing and it is dividing the democratic party even further apart.

I am really tired of these "artful smears".

I want Bernie to fight back.

[bigtree]

16. claiming racism isn't racist

...that canard doesn't wash.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. What is it if time and time again its proven to not be true?

It's obviously something.

[bobbobbins01]

33. Claiming ignorance of your candidates corruption...

Keep up the good work. Values and integrity be damned.

[Fronkonsteen]

45. Where did anyone say claims of racism are racist?

You get a point for creative use of the word 'canard'. And by 'creative', I mean 'wrong'.

[PatrickforO]

18. The politics of race is pretty ugly, but not surprising since Clinton cannot win on the issues.

[farleftlib]

21. That's how Clintons roll

Smear, Lie and swiftboat your opponent every chance you get. Never apologize. Wait for the next opportunity and do it again.

Send your surrogates out to spread lies and innuendo. Blame the media, activists or some other scapegoat.

They are proud of themselves. Winning is the only thing that matters.

[amborin]

37. +100000

[MrMickeysMom]

89. I think they convince themselves that they SHOULD be proud of this...

Machiavellian... a philosophy of winning based on a personality trait...

Machiavellianism .... one of the dark triad personalities, characterized by a duplicitous interpersonal style, a cynical disregard for morality and a focus on self-interest and personal gain.

That explains how the ends have always justified the means... Totally escapes them that this country and the entire world needs solutions and they need it fast.

[bettyellen]

23. you think it's okay they shouted her down, and prevented two people from translating into Spanish?

I don't think it was okay. I can't believe people are calling her a liar. Wow.

[jillan]

30. Obviously you haven't seen the video, might be a good idea to watch it.

[redruddyred]

119. "es dolores huerta my goodness"

seems like the problem is they weren't listening to her

[jillan]

122. No - the problem was the moderator saying no translation.

[redruddyred]

133. it sounds like he's trying to get the crowd to settle down

that was my immediate impression.

i doubt he could have heard her from so far back in the room.

[Matt_in_STL]

35. She said they chanted "English only"

When that was proven to be a lie she backtracked and admitted the moderator said no translator after the crowd called for a neutral one. Her story was false and she needs to apologize.

[bobbobbins01]

38. At least 2 videos already disprove it, as well as eye witness accounts.

I hope what you're doing feels good.

[bettyellen]

49. the audio was complete shit on the one I saw- so nope. I know they shouted her down....

and prevented the translation from happening, and that was plenty ugly. The recording I heard was from all the way in the back, and voices are largely garbled. From that, I would say anyone who thinks they know anything is full of it. There are witnesses making conflicting statements as well.

[bobbobbins01]

63. Maybe you should watch the second video before commenting.

But thanks for proving my point.

[bettyellen]

71. You sound super wound up. Bad day? Looks like Hispanics at that precinct had a shitty day, thanks

to some angry people. I'm going to guess that precinct was going heavy for Hillary and the CTs were flying.

[bobbobbins01]

127. Only one side followed the rules at that precinct.

But keep telling yourself your side won. Toe that line!

[Nanjeanne]

44. No one shouted her down. She is a surrogate. She should not be translating

It should always be an impartial person. It's not a Clinton rally.

She may have misheard. I'll be generous, more generous than her. And say she misheard. It happens. She may be confused. It happens. But she should tweet out her apology to as many people who saw her original tweet.

[bettyellen]

54. She was asking another (Bernie) person to join her in translating- the crowd drowned her out rudely

and prevented the spanish translation to happen at all. yeah, she was shouted down from the video I saw.

[Nanjeanne]

68. The moderator said English only

Huerta and Ferrera tweeted lies that were debunked. They have yet to tweet apologies.

If people shouted No No they were in heir rights not to want her to be the translator. Their tweets were wrong and I'm shocked that Clinton supporters can't just see that this was inappropriate and caused more harm to Sanders. If that was their intention then shame on them. If it wasn't their intention then shame on Clinton supporters for wanting it to be so.

[bettyellen]

88. I did not hear any clear recording proving only one person said that. I did hear people shout her

down when she was trying to speak, which was pretty ugly. I have to assume that nastiness was out of anger they were losing that precinct.

[redruddyred]

141. seemed like it was her trying to talk over the moderator nt

[bettyellen]

166. I thought she was trying to talk over the crowd- who were rude.

[redruddyred]

180. dolores was in the crowd. does that also make her rude? nt

[bettyellen]

197. She was offering to translate because the moderator asked for a volunteer, that makes her kind.

And as far as I know there has;t been a tape including the moderator saying "no spanish" so we have not heard it all.
which is why a lot of people look like jerks for claiming she is a liar.

[redruddyred]

198. she should have approached the table instead of adding to the cacophony

i'm open to any further evidence. like you i am hoping that she only exaggerated the truth.

the berniefans here i think are a bit upset because they see the process as being very rigged in favor of the party insider. hillary herself is not one to shy away from disingenous statements in order to skew the narrative, and maybe her supporters feel the same.

i also hope this is not malicious, i think that would be very sad.

[bettyellen]

199. this shit about her taking bribes is just moronic. do any of these morons know about non-profits?

apparently not. stupid and malicious. hopefully people have better audio and it will clear things up.
it doesn't look great if SBS people were being difficult with Hispanic voters because they knew they were breaking for Hillary, which seems to be the case here. rotten sour grapes.

[redruddyred]

201. do you know anything about corruption?

sorry but that's just naive

[bettyellen]

202. I know that easily half of the people surrounding Bernie are in it for themselves. that is how shit

works. Naive is accusing Huerta of taking a bribe. She is already firmly Pro-Hillary, has been for years- and that does not make her evil or corrupt. Everyone is not evil and corrupt except for Bernie.

[redruddyred]

204. hillary took $200k for a single speech

you could argue that she was paid for services rendered. then again, you could argue that goldman sachs was collecting IOUs.

and that's not even looking at her list of campaign contributions.

huerta is only being targeted because she is a public figure who said something damaging about a major candidate which doesn't appear to be supported by the evidence. was it malicious? probably not. has she been influenced by her allegiences, financial and otherwise? i'd submit that this is more likely the case.

you're arguing that berniefans are biased in favor of bernie, can you also see how someone of different affiliations might choose to construe events to fit their dominant worldview?

i'm interested in your comment about bernie's people being it it for themselves: are you referring to his staff or to his supporters? i've interacted with both and the sense i get is that they are not working for a fringe candidate in order to improve their standing in the democratic party. even the state reps in new england of all places have to throw their support very quietly.

[rhett o rick]

264. What do you call it when Goldman-Sachs hands her a paper bag with $650,000 and winks?

This is the corruption we are fighting and some here are supporting.

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

[bobbobbins01]

69. You just said it was too garbled to tell...

Now you said it did happen in the video you saw. Thanks for proving my point again. You appear to have chosen the right candidate for your moral compass.

[bettyellen]

81. I can tell when someone is getting shouted down even though I don't hear each word. I can tell it

was an ugly scene, I don't know how anyone could pretend it isn't.
Being as that so many words are garbled, I am in no position what was said and what wasn't- and I was pointing out that you are not in any position to say definitively either.


Now you are rude and personally nasty, so it's time to say goodbye and good riddance to the sour grapes.
Those people should have accepted they were losing that precinct big time instead of taking it out on the hispanic voters. Bad form.

[bobbobbins01]

90. Keep up the good work.

You'll probably get a medal.

[bettyellen]

108. LOL, yeah I am part of a vast conspiracy and we have an awards ceremony next week!

You got me!

[bobbobbins01]

128. Nope, you're just showing your true colors.

Keep going.

[bettyellen]

137. There's a lot of ugliness that won't be showing up here after Super Tuesday.

A revolution built on one man's shoulders is a joke. The hatred of everyone not him is absolute poison. Even Elizabeth Warren is getting shoved under the bus.

[bobbobbins01]

142. So you're leaving after super tuesday?

I'm sure the going away party will be huge.

[bettyellen]

149. No, I am finally really coming back after Super Tuesday! To watch people choke on their bile.

A most excellent internet past time, when you don't give a flying fuck who wins, LOL.

[rhett o rick]

150. This revolution of the People that scares you and the Establishment is much bigger than Sen Sanders.

We are against Citizens United that is helping Clinton. We are against the corrupted DNC that is helping the Powers That Be candidate Clinton. We are against the 16,000,000 children that are living in poverty that Goldman-Sachs doesnt give a crap about.

The Revolution is against the corrupt culture of Big Money in politics that has brought us 50 million living in poverty. A culture that you seem to be supporting.

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

Please reject the corrupt culture that is represented by the Wealthy 1% and their candidate HRC. Join the People's Movement.

[bettyellen]

155. then why are turnouts for this revolution so darned low?

Maybe his supporters screwed him over by going negative out of the gate? Negative toward everyone else aside from Bernie? Hell have to be his own running mate at this point!

Nice cut and paste. I'd almost believe you wrote that for me!

[bobbobbins01]

163. Most votes for a candidate in NH ever.

But keep pushing that line. Voter suppression helps you win!

[bettyellen]

165. He's getting those Republican spoiler votes, you must be so proud.

[bobbobbins01]

169. I'll say something nice about you.

You hit all the talking points perfectly and your ability to stay the course despite all evidence against you is impressive.

[frylock]

173. A true professional.

[rhett o rick]

234. The turn-outs are building. We have the momentum and you have Citizens United.

A year ago we didn't even have a viable movement and now we do. We might not be strong enough to beat the Big Money but we will fight on. We are fighting to reduce poverty and not increase Goldman-Sachs' profits.

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

[noretreatnosurrender]

46. Believe it

I don't know why you can't believe it. You can clearly see there have been people baiting people all night to do that very thing. I mean think about that. Is that how we use our heroes? We use them as bait to get some fool on the other side to attack them so you can point to it and dis everyone who supports Bernie? It's disgusting.

[bettyellen]

65. Huh? I saw her get shouted down- and the two people not allowed to co-translate. It was not some

people's best moment, that is for sure. Looked like foolish shenanigans from jerks who knew Hillary was sweeping the precinct.

[noretreatnosurrender]

125. Maybe this will help

you think it's okay they shouted her down, and prevented two people from translating into Spanish?

I don't think it was okay. I can't believe people are calling her a liar. Wow.

My response: I don't know why you can't believe it. You can clearly see there have been people baiting people all night to do that very thing. I mean think about that. Is that how we use our heroes? We use them as bait to get some fool on the other side to attack them so you can point to it and dis everyone who supports Bernie? It's disgusting.

I'm talking about all the threads at DU not the Caucus.

[uponit7771]

106. It looks like those actions may be OK for some

[TDale313]

24. I'm disgusted by what I've seen.

It's gotten really ugly. They are determined, not to win, but to absolutely destroy a good man and anyone who dares to support him.

[NCTraveler]

25. I am proud of the campaign she is running.

I'm also proud to be supporting the same person as Dolores Huerta and John Lewis.

[bobbobbins01]

39. I'm sure you are.

I'd be ashamed and embarrassed.

[frylock]

57. Of course you are.

[Armstead]

26. Don't forget Gloria Steinhem and Madelyn Albright

Insulting statements and apologies

[leftofcool]

74. Killer Mike and his uterus problem.

[Armstead]

80. She brings out the best in everyone

But you have a point.

Personally, I think all of the references to body parts are uncalled for and tasteless.

If Killer Mike had simply used the phrase ''not just because a candidate is a woman' it wouldn't have raised any eyebrows.

[bobbobbins01]

95. You got it.

Clinton appreciates your help.

[plus5mace]

100. Another example of Hillary smearing someone.

If she had guts she'd go after the woman he was quoting. They go after the man because they can falsely slime him as a sexist.

[d_legendary1]

29. They can't run on policies so they have to lie about Sanders

[desmiller]

32. You mean this John Lewis:

[link:

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[bobbobbins01]

41. Yes, thats the one.

[JRug]

52. Wow. Thank you for posting this

What a hero. I knew he had been arrested but I didn't know he had been arrested 40 times. He's so soft-spoken.

I'm glad that Bernie was part of this movement. He didn't sacrifice as much as John Lewis, but everybody who was there did their part in the way that they could and he didn't have to do anything at all if he didn't want to since it was probably really easy for white people to not get involved.

I feel like I've been shortchanged because I didn't learn about all of this in school and I have to learn about it now as an adult. Thank you for letting us see this video. I learned a lot.

[desmiller]

73. I'm glad I posted it too, but for another reason.

I'm not trying to remind people who John Lewis is. I'm trying to get people to see how far this hero has fallen. *hint* logo @ lower right screen.

[JRug]

103. That's too bad that you think that. I don't agree with you at all

I don't think John Lewis has fallen at all. And even if he has, he could fall and fall and fall and still be a stratosphere higher than most of us.

I think there are very few people who can justifiably criticize him for not being good enough on civil rights. If he said something you don't like, ok, he said something you don't like. I think Bernie is strong enough and cool enough to let it roll off of his back. I don't think he's even said anything about it so even if it bothered him he's not making a big deal of it. Bernie is a tough and smart guy. He doesn't need our protection and, even if he did, it doesn't do him any good for us to go around beating up on people, especially people like John Lewis who a lot of people including me have a lot of respect for.

Why is it necessary for us to tear people down? Even if we think they did something wrong, aren't we just turning into what we say we hate?

[desmiller]

111. Jesus JRUG... you're missing the point.

It's great that he's telling his story. I'm not questioning him about that. My question is this:

WHY THE HELL HE HAS TO TELL IT THROUGH THE ENEMY?!!!!!


THE SAME DAMN BUSINESS WHO ARE SCREWING OUR ECONOMY!!!!

[bettyellen]

116. I'm laughing now people said it was a lie that SBS's campaign is "one issue"

It certainly sound like one to me.

[desmiller]

134. I agree. Bernie's campaign is about one issue and that is about....

the people. The big banks, unemployment, student debt, and others are categories that are affecting them.

I find something funny myself, betty. The funny thing is that Hillary shows us how much she cares about people and that's by doing this:

[desmiller]

145. ....

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[JRug]

121. I'm not going to discuss this with you anymore. Maybe we can engage another time when you

aren't so upset. Life is stressful enough without being yelled and cursed at by people I don't even know on an anonymous message board.

Have a good evening. I hope you have a better day tomorrow.

[bettyellen]

139. You really did not deserve that nastiness. Good on you for not stooping that low.

Welcome to DU.

[bobbobbins01]

146. You love to prove my point over and over.

The perpetrators pretending to be the victims. I've noticed that is something Hillary does an awful lot.

[desmiller]

148. And also.....

the republicans.

[frylock]

181. Conservatives..

that's the common denominator.

[desmiller]

187. Yep

side note: Aqua teen hunger force frylock.

[frylock]

196. Number 1

[redruddyred]

152. no one's attacking you

berniefan up there is expressing a general frustration with goldman sachs.

it has nothing to do with you. peace.

[bobbobbins01]

129. JRUG isn't missing the point. He's disrupting

Its what they do.

[desmiller]

151. I'll keep that in mind.

Thx pal.

[jfern]

34. The Hillary campaign is an ugly gutter campaign of divide and conqueuer

She has earned her 67% not honest and trustworthy rating.

[Peregrine Took]

84. She will lose the GE. Not a forthright person. People won't come out or work for her. n/t

[leftofcool]

135. Except for 87% of Democrats, 90% of AA's and 96% of Latinos.

And she has the entire Democratic Party working for her. Your concern is noted though.

[frylock]

182. Where are you getting those numbers?

[1StrongBlackMan]

222. True ... But you're missing the point ...

he/she is talking about the millions and millions of non-voters that must be waiting to suddenly appear for the General Election ... because they, certainly, aren't showing up for the Democratic Primaries.

[Herman4747]

265. There are 3 types of voters, my friend...

Republicans, Democrats, AND INDEPENDENTS. To win the presidency the Democratic candidate must win a notable portion of the Independents, as they comprise a significant sum of voters.
And Independents may, just may, value HONESTY from a candidate more so than do Hillary's acolytes.
What do you think?
Oh, and by the way, could you please explain why that arrow in the H points not to the left but to the right? You see, I find its direction just a bit ominous.

[Demsrule86]

232. Can't we just get along

I don't have time to post very often...but I am always interested in primaries. I will support anyone who is the Democratic candidate...honestly this Bernie vs Hillary should end...one will be the Democratic candidate. It looks like it will be Hillary to me but I would support Bernie as well. You want the right wing picking as many as four judges? The important thing is to elect a Democrat. I tell,you nothing will get done...as we have a Gerrymandered House...the court is what is important. I worked for President Obama both times...He is a decent guy...I am more left than he is no doubt. But I am proud of what he has accomplished with a hostile Congress...we need to vote in state elections before 2020 if we have any chance of ending the gerrymander. WE need to vote in every election...the president is one man or woman and can not do anything without a willing congress. Let's stop with the hostile comments on both sides and remember we all want the same thing...or we should ...a Democrat in the White House.

[jwirr]

247. "this Bernie vs Hillary must end" and do you think the "people

vs Wall Street" argument should also end? The argument is not just about two nice Democratic candidates running against each other. It is about the future of the party - which way are we going to go? It is about staying the course or changing directions - and it must be fought.

[Demsrule86]

250. Wall Street needs regulation

No doubt Wall Street could use some regulation and taxes...why should work be taxed more than gambling? However, many Americans have money in Wall Street and since pensions don't exist these days...more will be invested in the years to come. They are nice Democratic candidates as a matter of face, and either of them beat Trump or Cruz hands down...how about the courts? You allow the GOP to put four candidates on SCOUTS, you might as well stay home for a generation...because it won't matter. I will vote either candidate period. But I don't get this Hillary hatred. As far as I am concerned she is fine as is Bernie...( I worry that he can't win but hope for the best) thus I don't see why you folks are turning this into a bloody battle on both sides...damaging either candidate only helps the GOP.

[JRug]

36. I don't think it's fair to blame all Clinton supporters for what these people did.

I wouldn't want to be blamed for the things that some Bernie people say.

It's really sad to see everybody fighting and tearing each other down instead of talking about our candidates and why we think they should be the next president. We shouldn't be calling them names and questioning their integrity. They're both good people who care about the country and want to make it better. We're all Democrats and are really all on the same side and are going to have to come together to keep Donald Trump or Ted Cruz from becoming president. If we're fighting so much that we can't get it together to have a unified general election campaign we're all in trouble and no one will care who said what to who in February because the country will be in terrible trouble.

[bobbobbins01]

47. Fuck that...she's running on lies.

She lies, her campaign lies, and supporting her at this point is just plain wrong. It can't be dismissed anymore, it happens over and over and over...it happened in 2008, its happening now. The two campaigns cannot be compared...and supporting what she stands for makes a person part of the problem.

[JRug]

67. Don't you ever speak to me that way.

You do not know me. I addressed you respectfully and I expect to be treated the same.

[bobbobbins01]

130. Don't tell me how to speak, its insulting!

Go disrupt elsewhere. No one wants to play your game.

[Dawgs]

212. LOL!

[jaded_old_cynic]

177. FYI I was juror 5

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[bobbobbins01]

186. Thats at least two so far.

I must have pissed someone off.

[hifiguy]

254. The quality of one's enemies is always a good measure

of one's own integrity.

[noretreatnosurrender]

50. I agree

It's not all Hillary supporters doing this.

[bobbobbins01]

132. No, they're just complicit.

Sort of like not all Trump supporters are raging racists, but voting for him helps put a racist in charge of our country.

[Waiting For Everyman]

43. You said it -- a very disturbing trend alright.

Something tells me the list will get longer.

I'd just as soon have all the sell out Dems do the same and become known though. It hurts, but it's sanitizing.

[bobbobbins01]

51. I agree, but since the lie gets spread way more than the truth...

Bernie's campaign takes it on the nose, this shit needs to be called out for what it is instead of each of these incidences being treated as separate...its part of the whole...one big nasty campaign that just fucks everyone.

[Waiting For Everyman]

72. I agree with you, it's a pattern of conduct

and goes to her basic unworthiness to be President.

[Odin2005]

55. And when people call them out on their falsehoods...

We get accused of not showing "proper reverence" for them. Shady as fuck.

[bobbobbins01]

78. Thats what makes it so underhanded.

If we call them out, the campaign throws the race card. There has to be a way to combat this type of coordinated attack. I hope the Sanders campaign can find a way to turn the tables on this shenanigans.

[Skwmom]

58. The photo lie is still being pushed. n/t

[jfern]

101. They seem unconcerned with basic facts

[merrily]

59. I understand what you're saying, but she cannot force anyone to lie.

[Armstead]

61. No but she can set a tone that brings out the worst in people

[merrily]

62. She can set a tone. No one has to succumb.

[Armstead]

70. If her campaign message is things like...

Bernie doesn't care about social justice and has a problem with black people and women and Latinos, then people who support her can get carried away in spreading it in the heat of a campaign.

They shouldn't be let off the hook, but I suspect if the Clinton message was simply focusing on her own positives, they would have been less inclined to spout off such nonsense.

[bobbobbins01]

75. She can't force them, but she can persuade them. This happens over and over.

I'm not saying those people aren't accountable for the part they have in this shit show, but the one constant is Hillary Clinton. She represents what I abhor.

[merrily]

79. Exactly my point. Each party is responsible, Hillary for her part and them for theirs.

[AzDar]

64. K & R

[Hissyspit]

76. madfloridian's take on it:

A pattern is emerging from Hillary's campaign. It's heartbreaking.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251129171

First send out a surrogate who is beloved by the Democratic party, an icon, let them say something negative about her opponent. Then a warning that we must not be negative in return because that person is treasured by the party.

Of course we as his supporters defend him on that given attack and POW! we are trolling, hating Hillary, hating the party, we are not Democrats.

Lately the worst part has been that most of the attacks have a theme of Bernie not supporting one race or the other. They have been pitting races against each other.

And thus the waters are muddied, and if we try to clear things up we become the enemy.

[bobbobbins01]

83. Exactly. This conveys my sentiments perfectly.

Its a pattern, and it shouldn't be rewarded, it should be detested and fought against tooth and nail by anyone who cares about this country, this party, and the direction both are heading in.

[cui bono]

77. Sleazy, slimy, dirty politics.

Hope it is her undoing this time as it was last time.

.

[silvershadow]

86. I said a couple of different times recently, they will exit the stage clawing for their pound of

flesh. Sadly, but predictably.

[PatrynXX]

92. Well she sure is making Trump look good :( n/t

[sadoldgirl]

94. Now to all of you Sanders supporters:

Cut it out!

You heard our former President: You are all

teapartiers, for crying out loud!

And you know that he would never lie!

(sarc)

[Pauldg47]

113. What in the world are you talking about??

[senz]

98. Clinton cannot win honestly and her supporters know it.

She needs AA and Latino support, so her campaign plays dirty to create artificial divisions between Bernie Sanders and people of color.

Bernie has done a thousand times more for minorities and the working poor than Clinton ever has and ever will.

Her supporters are very much like her: the only thing they care about is getting Hillary into the White House, and they do not care who they hurt in the process.

It is useless to confront them with ethical concerns. They will just laugh at that.

The best we can do is call out their lies, correct the record, and let people know who Bernie is and what he stands for.

[nolabels]

124. Thanks for that sage piece of advice

And thanks for being there

[senz]

136. Thank you, nolabels.

Glad you're there, too!

[Agony]

213. At least if it was funny we could spin it as a tragicomedy, but it is not funny….

leaving us with a giant tragedy.

at any rate YOU have nailed it.

[jfern]

99. Every Hillary supporter who doesn't tell her to cut it out

Is part of the problem. It's time to clean house.

[Hoyt]

105. I've seen Sanders' supporters bashing civil rights icons. That's enough for me to know which

way the wind blows.

[Jitter65]

115. It is sad to see Democrats fighting among themselves so uncivilly. Both sides need to clean

up their behaviors. I think the lady misheard what was being shouted. Both candidates have much to be proud of and they both were involved in civil rights movements early on. Both campaigns' supporters ought to consider that they represent their candidate out in public and act accordingly. There ought to be a stark difference between us and the GOP.

This site was recommended to me but it is getting really hurtful to be here and see how we are treating each other.

[redruddyred]

160. the clinton campaign is effectively throwing the working class under the bus

by exploiting and inflaming racial tensions.

NEITHER of these are good for the country.

it hurts to watch all the hate. nothing good can come of this.

[Oilwellian]

167. Hillary supported Goldwater "early on"

Goldwater was a flaming segregationist. What are you talking about? Hillary was never involved in the Civil Rights movement.

[jillan]

126. That is not true! Questioning their comments is not the same thing as bashing them.

Stop it - please!!

[leftofcool]

138. I guess you didn't see John Lewis' FB page?

[frylock]

195. I didn't see anyone posting evidence of bashing on Lewis' FB page..

feel free to provide some examples.

[bettyellen]

164. there is bashing going on. despite there being no clear audio people here claim they are certain

she is lying. I hear her getting shouted down, but can't hear the exact words- not sure how anyone here can say with certainty who said what, or whether words are repeated or said once.
Despite no one knowing for certain- they are posting here she was paid off. To lie, for Hillary.
Yesterdays "lie" was SBS is a one issue candidate! I have to laugh.

[bobbobbins01]

140. Thanks for proving my point.

Sacred cows...they can lob as many attacks as they want, but call them on it and you're the one to blame. Clinton campaigning 101. Hide behind legitimacy while flinging as much shit as humanly possible.

[nsd]

154. John Lewis is certainly a civil rights icon.

But his remark about Sanders was clearly a smear. I have a lot of respect for John Lewis in general, but not in this particular instance. He let us down -- he let himself down -- with that remark. I don't want to blow this out of proportion. In the grand scheme of things, it's trivial. But it was a disappointment.

Turning that around to criticize Sanders supporters is unfair.

[noretreatnosurrender]

179. Pathetic Behavior

They have also been holding Delores Huerta up as a pinata all night long baiting people to take a whack at her. That is not how you treat our heroes. That is how you use her good work for your own ends.

[Lizzie Poppet]

240. When "civil rights icons" lie their asses off, they get bashed. Tough shit.

Huerta blatantly lied for pure political purposes. She earned every bit of bashing.

[Hoyt]

243. I don't think she lied. She told what she perceived when yelled at by a bunch of rabid white people

when she was just trying to help. Shouting "English Only," or "No, No, No" doesn't make much difference when you are elderly, nervous, have been beaten by racists, and are just trying to help.

While we are on the topic of bashing civil rights icons, how come all the gun lovers here say they support Sanders?

[Lizzie Poppet]

248. I think it makes a HUGE difference.

Shouting "English Only," or "No, No, No" doesn't make much difference when you are elderly, nervous, have been beaten by racists, and are just trying to help.

I'd argue that it makes an enormous difference, given that the former (which did not in fact occur) would be flagrant racism.

[Hoyt]

249. Yelling "No, No, No," get off the stage, and the bashing of 85 year old Huerta here, isn't racism?

We have a very different opinion of what constitutes racism, or at least disrespect.

[DonCoquixote]

112. throw Gloria Steinem in

and Madeline Albright...

to which I say, there is a special place in hell for anyone that lies (not that she did not earn it by killing several hundred thousand Iraqi children.)

Steinem, some said that the kindest thing to say is that the feminist movement you started in the 60's did so well out outgrew you. The Millennials will take it far past where Hillary and all the other privileged member of your generation will.

[hifiguy]

123. The lie gets around the world

before the truth can get out of bed and put on its pants.

This is all very deliberate.

[Fearless]

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[bobbobbins01]

157. Thank you for posting this.

I knew the alerts were coming. I'm sure it won't be the last one I get tonight, but its time to call a spade a spade.

[Fearless]

159. I figured everyone would find it interesting.

[liberalhistorian]

158. Yeah, well, this shouldn't be surprising at all

considering how she continually smeared Obama in '08. She gladly gave the right the ideas for some of their most vicious attacks on him, including that he was not a Christian (code word-he's a Muslim), knowing how that would play out. The code words and dog whistles flew freely from her camp during that time, and the worse she did, the angrier and more vindictive she became. So this should be no surprise at all, what she's doing here. This time, I hope people are wise to it.

[Ken Burch]

161. They are pressuring heroes of the freedom struggle to fight dirty for them.

God knows what they'd try to make Cesar Chavez or Coretta Scott King or Harvey Milk say if those giants were still with us.

I still remember them sending a dying Barbara Jordan out on stage to tell the '92 convention we had to repent everything we'd been fighting for for decades and essentially endorse Reaganism. It was unforgiveable for them to treat her like that.

There was no excuse for those tactics then.

There is no excuse for them now.

[Carol Morgan]

162. Who's Next?

I wonder which Democratic icon they will use as the sacrificial lamb in the next primary?

Bill and Hillary Clinton remind me of Tom and Daisy in The Great Gatsby:

"They were careless people, Tom and Daisy -- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they made."

The Clintons are like a demolition company. They barrel in, use others and throw them away, not even bothering to look back.

[bobbobbins01]

170. I love it

That sums them up perfectly.

[Skid Rogue]

168. I belong to the amazing Democratic Patry of the United States of America...

[bobbobbins01]

171. I belong to AAA.

Is this a game where we take turns naming groups we're members of or something?

[SciDude]

172. I have recently realized that for the first time in my life of over 50 years that I'm no longer a

Democrat. I will not vote for an oligarch, like Clinton, ever again. For the first time I'm (I) Independent!

It feels pretty good since I almost always felt slimy after voting in the past (i.e. Clinton I). I think this presidential primary is far from over but should Clinton win the nomination I have to decide to vote Green or write-in Sanders.

In any case we fight on. I feel the only other option should Clinton or Trump (or some other oligarch) win the presidency again is revolution and turmoil in the streets of America. Should be interesting no matter how this election turns out. One thing I know for sure, if people think Clinton will get eight years to cement this oligarchy further (like the Obama years) I think they are in for a big surprise. There simply are not enough middle-class people left for our cannibal style oligarchy to continue as it has.

[anotherproletariat]

175. Luckily very little of any of this made it to the general media

I've only heard of two of these stories on cable news networks (and obviously not on the network news), and even then very briefly. You really don't have to worry about these events (no matter if they were mistakenly or purposefully begun and/or perpetuated) swaying the general electorate.

[bobbobbins01]

191. I disagree.

This is what gets reported and the general electorate only hears the lies...and they compound. Even if they only catch a small part of it...if its repeated it gets absorbed. This is a HUGE worry and discounting it would be a critical mistake.

[bettyellen]

203. the red T shirts will be on the cover of the NY Times tomorrow!

[Bernblu]

183. She's running a deseperate and lying campaign

and that is why most people distrust her.

[Enthusiast]

184. This is their ethics, in your face.

Think the worst and you'll be close to the truth.

[MisterP]

194. class, race, sexuality, faith, people's life experience--they were never problems for her,

just buttons to be pushed for more poker chips to tumble out, cashed in later

they're turned into campaign arms--"you're an X? your only priority is getting OUR candidate elected: Y is the X candidate"

[BainsBane]

205. It has not proven to be false

There is a video. Huerta is of unimpeachable character. It is unfathomable to me that anyone who claims to be on the left would treat her that way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/20/dolores-huerta-says-she-was-shouted-down-with-english-only-chants-from-a-sanders-crowd/

I hope you are proud for showing your contempt for racial equality and that you insult a civil rights legend who is on par with MLK in terms of the migrant workers she represents. This vicitimization complex by the self entitled is one of the ugliest things I have seen in my life. Defending racism, claiming it doesn't exist, making excuses for it, that is all racism. That is what you chose to champion.

Huerta has nothing to be ashamed of. No one of any integrity would call her a liar, particularly when there is video evidence backing up her account.

The Democratic Party is not the party of self-entitled white rage, of people who feel victimized by brown women who dare to speak out against racism directed at them. That kind of comment is commonplace in the GOP. We will not allow our party to become like the GOP.

I never in my life dreamed I would see so much hateful racism among people who claim to be on the left. It is not leftist. It is reactionary, ultra right wing. Clearly they are not comfortable with a party that represents people of color. The GOP exists precisely for people who hold that mindset. The Democratic Party does not, not since 1965.

[BainsBane]

209. Your point is correct in the abstract

However, having viewed the video there is no evidence to indicate she is lying. Nor does she have any reason to do so.

People here dismiss it because they feel some compulsion to believe that anyone associated in anyway, even as a supporter, with the Sanders campaign must be infallible. Well people are racist. It could be dismissed as behavior by a few unpleasant individuals, except that Sanders supporters all around the country feel compelled to double down on it by doing exactly what the right wing does: denying racism, insisting people of color make it up to persecute white people. The whole business is incredibly ugly, the worst time I have ever witnessed in the Democratic Party.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

207. A Saint Huerta would have found common ground and resolved the situation rationally.

A Saint Huerta would have never tweeted what seems to be a lie.

But Dolores Huerta is just a fine woman who made a mistake.

To many there she was just another Clinton supporter - not a saint or a god or just a fine lady - what people saw was a Clinton supporter - serving as an "unbiased speaker"

nothing evil - nothing personal - simple balance was asked for

The issue would have ended there if a terrible thing did not follow

She tweeted a lie and has now taken it back
A fine lady would take the next step and work to resolve this situation well.

[bobbobbins01]

208. Its false.

Shame on you.

[bravenak]

218. +1

Sad

[Bluenorthwest]

225. Of course it is false. In 2008, Huerta said Obama refused to meet with Latinos, said he lacked

courage and did not have good judgement. She also said that Obama and his supporters aggressively oppressed and suppressed the Latino vote in Nevada 08. So do you agree with all of that, Obama disrespects Latinos, lacks courage and judgement and was suppressing minority votes? To hold that her words are of sterling integrity you pretty much have to agree with all she said about Obama and his supporters.
In actual reality, Huerta's electoral verbiage is consistently accusatory and this is the second cycle in which she is making the same claims against Hillary's rivals. Same claims, no matter who the rival is.
Unimpeachable character does not mean flawless behaviors. It does not mean 'that which she says is truth'.

"And it’s interesting that in Nevada, where she got almost 59 percent of the Latino vote, in spite of the oppression and the voter suppression and huge intimidation on the part of the Obama supporters of the Latino casino workers, they voted for Hillary."-Huerta 08.
I assume you agree with her about Obama.

". These people here actually went to see Obama, Senator Obama. So I don’t believe that he has that kind of courage and that kind of judgment. Or let’s say, is it judgment or is it wisdom or whatever? But he chose not to be associated with one of the biggest causes that we have in our community, the cause of Elvira Arellano, the cause of these two young men, where he could have stepped in. They were ultimately freed, by the way, but not with his help."
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on

Some very strong and negative statements about Barack Obama, craven, hapless suppressor of votes. You agree with those statements or not?

[ksc]

263. Read the Article Again -Washington Post has backtracked. Huerta did this to Obama too.

Have you watched the video? The Washington Post has backpedaled their story-as usual -read it again. You do realize it was the Washington Post that ran the story about the photos that have been proven false with a contact sheet. They used a 40 year old memory as proof, and ignored the information from the esteemed Civil Rights photographer Danny Lyon.
Huerta did this same thing to Obama--she is not above reproach. Sadly- I did not know this until now. I walked the picket lines in the 80s with her, and had high opinion of her over the years. Last night a hero of mine died- she could have misperceived things, but she kept on in the press with the lies after we all had watched the video.

Here she is asserting more fabricated lies on the campaign against Obama in '08
Dolores Huerta went further, accusing the Culinary Workers Union of intimidating Clinton supporters and keeping them away from the caucuses. Union leaders are telling Clinton backers if they don’t vote for Obama, “they won’t get transportation, they will be fired,” Huerta said.
http://www.salon.com/2008/01/19/huerta_obama/

This is how the Clinton campaign operates
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/18/democrats-toughen/#/Obama_at_Culinary_Union_226/

In case you want all of the caucus video -- exchange is at the 53:30 mark
https://www.ustream.tv/embed/recorded/83452078?html5ui

Huerta has had ample time to delete her tweet- but it remains up there and she has done interviews supporting these claims...the damage is done.

[RATM435]

211. Hillary clinton Ratfucking to the whitehouse

Classic rovian tactics attack your opponent on their strengths bernie sanders is a now racist fuck you the democratic party and your goldwater girl.

[Loki]

215. The disturbing trend is that so

many in the Bernout Campaign promote republican lies. That's disturbing.

[betsuni]

216. No. A smear that went pear-shaped. Ask yourself.

[Tarc]

217. Another hemming and hawing spin by Camp Sanders

Because they can never admit that their supporters have done something bad.

[Locrian]

220. you say that as a "bad thing"....

but to HRC and supporters - that's a GOOD thing. For them, it's the way to "get things done".
Slimey but effective. Win at any cost, etc, etc.

[Bluenorthwest]

221. In 2008, Huerta had dialouge which this cyle was delivered by John Lewis the 'I never saw him there'

materials. Compare and contrast:

" I have been to Chicago many times for many different campaigns that the community there —- the Latino community was there. I have, to this day, to meet Mr. Obama. I have never encountered him in any of these big campaigns that we have done in Chicago on different issues. And, as I say, I have never yet to meet the man."

""Well, to be very frank, I'm going to cut you off, but I never saw him, I never met him. I'm a chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for three years, from 1963 to 1966. I was involved in the sit-ins, the freedom rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery, and directed their voter education project for six years. But I met Hillary Clinton. I met President Clinton."

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/john-lewis-bernie-sanders-civil-rights


Every year I'm told that some famous person not having met a candidate is deeply meaningful but I don't really get that. Trashed Obama, now she trashes Sanders. It's just material, a trope, template style, paint by numbers politics of destruction.
Delores never met Obama so she said he lacked judgement, had no courage and suppressed the Latino vote in Nevada. All that and more she said about Obama. Was any of it the truth?

The UFW was not exactly a pro-immigration outfit back in the day either.

[vi5]

227. Right out of the Republican playbook...

Once it's out there, and given a couple of days of news cycle, even after it's proven blatantly false it's already been out there, and the gullible will continue to cite it as "evidence".

[INdemo]

228. So obviously it doesn't matter if the Clinton campaign cheats

in order to win. After all Hillary has wanted this for 30 years and she has the team to help her.
DWS..set the State Parties up to cause chaos in Iowa and Nev.
In iowa the State Democratic refused to audit 1664 precincts because 14 had revealed Bernie Sanders had made gains
In NH DWS quickly made it show that Hillary had more Delegates and awarded her Super Delegates which was meaningless.

So one has to ask knowing how bad Hillary wants this would the Hillary supporters still back her even though her campaign cheats to assure her a Victory.'

DWS is now funneling funds from the DNC to the Hillary's Campaign
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511277476

So this becomes a legitimate question
Is David Brock the Karl Rove of the Clinton campaign or
Is Debbie Wasserman Schultz

[MyNameGoesHere]

233. What number is that?

Of disturbing trends I mean.

[monicaangela]

236. Establisment democrats appear to be making fools of themselves

as they try to swing votes of minority communities into the Clinton column. Minority communities were hurt tremendously by the Clinton administrations policies. Policies of which Hillary approved of and was a part of helping to get implemented. Welfare Reform, Three Strikes, Glass Steagall and more have been more detrimental to minority communities since the 90's than any republican legislation, and continue to wreak havoc.

[Duval]

239. May these tactics come back to bite her.

I can no longer sit and watch her when she's on TV. I feel a sense of revulsion.

[blondie58]

242. I find it a little odd also, how her luck is so good.

A Coin toss in Iowa. Drawing the high Card in Las Vegas.

Very Lucky and Quite peculiar.

[PonyUp]

244. Hillary, the candidate for the Backtrack Party. nt

[JGug1]

245. Clinton's Campaign

While it is mostly true that the fish rots from the head, in other words, she is responsible for stuff like that, I did say MOSTLY.
There are reports of some Sanders' supporters not being upstanding and some of the name calling on this very blog by Sanders supporters is unseemly, indeed, and undemocratic. I'm certain that some Clinton supporters are equally bad. I try to not read the CRAP. I am opposed to that sort of thing. I don't care where it comes from. It always surprised me that some people cannot be trusted to count the paper ballots honorably and honestly. Just call me naive.

[tk2kewl]

246. the brock/clinton campaign has no morals

Eom

[DeeDeeNY]

251. Very disturbing

On many levels

[im1013]

255. You mean the same Deloris Huerta

That received a $100,000 grant/ donation from the Clinton Foundation?

I'd post a screenshot if I could figure out how, but it is supposedly public info.

[johnlucas]

261. What I can't figure out is why would they wanna sell out their legacies for Hillary?

Throw away the integrity & respect your earned for your part is social movements just to win favor or pay back favors for someone like Hillary???
Can't let yourself be owned like that.
Hillary ain't worth it folks.
Keep it real. Always.
Tell the truth.

John Lucas

[azmom]

266. Believe it. People will sell their souls.

[johnlucas]

268. If you're gonna sell your soul, at least make sure you set a high enough price. They sold for cheap

Oh well.
That's why it's important for the newer generations to refreshen the air.
The Youth Vote has to come out big for Bernie to correct the mistakes of their elders.
Age doesn't ALWAYS bring wisdom.

John Lucas

[humbled_opinion]

262. She doesn't care

ends justifies any means she will tear the party down grass root by grass root telling lie after lie just so she can lead the blindly led sycophants to her ultimate GE failure... I guarantee that Donald Trump already has recordings of her comments to Goldman Sachs execs and it is going to tear our party apart when he goes public with them... I for one will never forgive her that lie when I hear her schmoozing with Wall Street execs and knowing that our true champion got snookered because she is a liar and a thief who would steal this election hiding behind her millions in contributions from wall street.

[fun n serious]

267. What about Chris Hayes cutting Bill off mid sentence?

That was very deceptive and pro Bernie.