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Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:23 PM Feb 2016

Jews left out of voting in Nevada; Dems refuse to accommodate for Sabbath


This makes my blood boil. Republicans have previously accommodated Orthodox Jews in Nevada by allowing voting after sundown, but Dems refused to do so.

Sanders is a Jew - looks like they were trying to disenfranchise a key group of his supporters. I hope someone challenges that in court; it should be unconstitutional. Seventh Day Adventists also cannot vote on Saturdays, if they are true to their faith, so they were disenfranchised too.

How many Orthodox Jews are there in Nevada? If they had voted, could it have made a difference with just 4 or 5 points separating Clinton and Sanders? What happened to the party of inclusiveness -- does that fall off the cliff when the DNC wants the non-Jewish candidate to win?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jewish-and-seventh-day-adventist-voters-left-out-of-nevada-democratic-caucuses/
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Jews left out of voting in Nevada; Dems refuse to accommodate for Sabbath (Original Post) Liberty Belle Feb 2016 OP
We need an election holiday UglyGreed Feb 2016 #1
sanders called for that this week juxtaposed Feb 2016 #5
I'm shocked UglyGreed Feb 2016 #8
Hillary called for it in 2005... SidDithers Feb 2016 #20
And like all her other legislation - it went nowhere. jillan Feb 2016 #40
Lololol, please give a list of any of the legislation Sanders has giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #63
Here’s A LONG List Of Bernie Sanders’ Accomplishments (WITH CITATIONS) w4rma Feb 2016 #69
& yet with all that filler my question remains unanswered. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #74
Your question has been answered. It's not my fault that you refuse to read it. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #75
No, my question was legislation. Not his whole CV. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #78
So, you admit you still haven't read it. Maybe you were expecting a short list of naming things? w4rma Feb 2016 #79
Holy shit, why can't you stay on topic or is that the intent? giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #80
Do you have reading comprehension problems or are you just too biased to see through that fog? (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #87
Well, it wasn't renaming a post office...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #66
We need mail in voting. We have it here in WA and it works great. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #11
You don't have it for choosing a presidential nominee MohRokTah Feb 2016 #35
We don't need caucuses mythology Feb 2016 #88
I guess Debbie Downer didn't realize Politicalboi Feb 2016 #2
LOL! but so true. juxtaposed Feb 2016 #7
in 2008, the Caucus was on Saturday as well...I don't remember anyone complaining brooklynite Feb 2016 #3
Folks who worship the Norse gods may not like events on a Thursday (Thor's Day) stevenleser Feb 2016 #6
Don't forget people who can't physically get to the caucus meeting place, they are still_one Feb 2016 #9
...but they could physically get to a Polling site on a Tuesday? brooklynite Feb 2016 #12
no, but they can vote absentee. You cannot do that in a caucus. You have to be there in person still_one Feb 2016 #19
it's called an absentee ballot Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #77
Mail in or early ballots should be allowed for all who can't vote on election day Liberty Belle Feb 2016 #22
You can't run a caucus by mail. Video conferencing is the future for inclusiveness in caucuses. (nt) stone space Feb 2016 #61
It is not a matter of "offense" for observant Jews. it is impossible for them to vote. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #28
Most Christian dominations have no law preventing them from... jg10003 Feb 2016 #33
and how many people who couldn't physicially get to the caucus have been left out still_one Feb 2016 #4
+100 UglyGreed Feb 2016 #10
I agree with you ? I did not think about ppl. like me! I am not home a lot and can not always vote juxtaposed Feb 2016 #15
Agreed that there should be a caucus absentee process Ken Burch Feb 2016 #26
Not if they were ultra orthodox dsc Feb 2016 #82
LOL mwrguy Feb 2016 #13
The writer of this article is ignorant of Jewish life. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #14
The article DOES say Orthodox Jews. Liberty Belle Feb 2016 #23
Then the caucus would last for how many hours? oberliner Feb 2016 #34
Why should a secular government care about religious restrictions?... SidDithers Feb 2016 #16
Because its of the people, by the people, and for the people. Igel Feb 2016 #21
I knew we would meet here SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #27
+ 1 treestar Feb 2016 #65
As of 2013 theres 76,300 Jews in Nevada Arazi Feb 2016 #17
How many are ultra-Orthodox? yardwork Feb 2016 #73
I have no idea. Do you think its ok to disenfranchise anyone? Arazi Feb 2016 #76
Prolonging the caucus would disenfranchise many more. yardwork Feb 2016 #83
My position is eliminate caucuses altogether Arazi Feb 2016 #84
Did they in 2008 or are you concerned only because you think it would have book_worm Feb 2016 #18
The process could be unfair to a lot of people. Liberty Belle Feb 2016 #24
A) I believe it was on a Saturday in 08, B) whether or not it was about Sanders this time, can we Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #68
Change a caucus, where you have to physically show up and cant vote absentee to a work day? stevenleser Feb 2016 #72
Well, since in 2008 the Nevada Caucuses were also on a Saturday, I'm guessing this is selective stevenleser Feb 2016 #71
This is the Democratic Party? But if it was a block of voters that would benefit Clinton and she Skwmom Feb 2016 #25
No doubt. 840high Feb 2016 #29
Uh, a Jewish block of voters favors Hillary jsmirman Feb 2016 #31
Reformed Jews, like myself, do NOT support Hillary. jillan Feb 2016 #39
I am also a reformed Jew jsmirman Feb 2016 #91
Also, um, thread title. It's about Sabbath. jsmirman Feb 2016 #92
Is Bernie a practicing Jew? fun n serious Feb 2016 #30
How is his being "practicing" or not relevant? Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #36
It's relevant when people accuse Hillary camp for willfully ... fun n serious Feb 2016 #42
I was not seeing where either of your claims were made. Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #47
I agree with disenfranchisement fun n serious Feb 2016 #52
We both agree. Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #53
most jewish people are supporting Hillary so it wouldn't have really helped sanders JI7 Feb 2016 #32
Where did you hear/see this? Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #37
Polling...HRC has a slight lead among this demographic. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #41
Have anything in the way of polls, surveys, or the like? Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #45
Eye test=personal observations such as Jewish relatives and friends. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #48
Thanks for the explanation of the "eye test". Never heard that term. Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #49
Too small a demographic to make out. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #51
That's a possibility. Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #54
I will be surprised if Jews vote much differently than their fellow Democrats in this primary season DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #56
Jews will vote, overwhelmingly, democrat as they have in the past. Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #57
The most recent polling I could find was from September mythology Feb 2016 #89
Better than me, I didn't even find that one! Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #90
some polls, this is a more recent one JI7 Feb 2016 #43
Thanks! Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #46
i'm not sure if any i read were national JI7 Feb 2016 #50
I appreciate the clarification. Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #55
i think there will be more reporting on Jewish voters once they start focusing on Florida JI7 Feb 2016 #58
That is likely quite true. Behind the Aegis Feb 2016 #60
That is a lie right there. This Jew is supporting Bernie as is all of the Jewish people I know. jillan Feb 2016 #38
Not in my town, buddy. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #59
what are the arguments AGAINST voting by mail? renate Feb 2016 #44
Somebody would have to figure out how to run a caucus by mail. stone space Feb 2016 #62
why are you assuming the Jewish vote would go for Sanders? treestar Feb 2016 #64
Because Sanders is the first Jew to ever win a state primary in a major political party. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #70
It's not like they worship a real god, or anything, when I KNOW ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #67
Caucuses are undemocratic and favor extroverts sufrommich Feb 2016 #81
Wow, that's total bullshit. Looks like Reid made sure everything would go to HRC. nt valerief Feb 2016 #85
Orthodox Jews tend to be heavily conservative and Republican KingFlorez Feb 2016 #86

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
20. Hillary called for it in 2005...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:44 PM
Feb 2016
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s.00450:

SUMMARY AS OF:
2/17/2005--Introduced.
Count Every Vote Act of 2005 - Amends the Help America Vote Act of 2002 with respect to: (1) requirements for voter verification and manual audit capacity; (2) accessibiliity of the voting system for language minority individuals in a manner that provides the same opportunity for access, participation, inspection, and verification as for other voters; (3) prohibition of the use of undisclosed software and of wireless communication devices in voting systems; (4) certification of software and hardware used in electronic voting systems; (5) security standards for manufacturers of voting systems used in Federal elections; (6) mandatory recounts; (7) study, testing, and development of best practices to enhance accessibility and voter verification mechanisms for disabled voters; (8) voter verification and audit capacity funding; (9) security consultation services; (10) casting and counting of provisional ballots; (11) minimum required voting systems, poll workers, and election resources; (12) remedial plans for States with excessive voter wait times; (13) absentee voting; (14) public reports on Federal elections; (15) training of election officials; (16) impartial administration of elections; (17) standards for purging voters; (18) election day registration and early voting; (19) voter registration and identification; (20) prohibition of certain campaign activities; (21) voting rights of individuals convicted of criminal offenses; (22) election day as a public holiday; and (23) the Election Assistance Commission.



Sid
 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
63. Lololol, please give a list of any of the legislation Sanders has
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:01 AM
Feb 2016

proposed that has gone anywhere?

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
69. Here’s A LONG List Of Bernie Sanders’ Accomplishments (WITH CITATIONS)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:13 AM
Feb 2016

U.S. House of Representatives

His 1990 victory was described by The Washington Post as being the “First Socialist Elected” to the United States House of Representatives in more than 40 years.

Served in the House from 1991 until the time he became a Senator in 2007. Over a span of 16 years, he continuously won re-election by large margins, with the only exception being 1994.

In his very first year in the House, he co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus. He led this group for its first eight years. Its primary devotion is to advance liberal causes and is currently the largest organization within the Democratic congressional caucus.

He sided with the minority in voting against the use of force against Iraq in 1991 and 2002. He also opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Voted against the Patriot Act despite the majority of Congress voting for it (357 to 66). He also sponsored several amendments trying to limit its effects, even getting a proposal passed through the House preventing the government from obtaining a record of the books people buy.

Was an open critic of Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan and took him head on insisting he only represented “large and wealthy corporations.” Greenspan later admitted to Congress that his economic ideology regarding risky mortgage loans was flawed.

He passed more amendments than any other member during his time in the House. It earned him the nickname “The Amendment King.” He did this despite being a “socialist” and Congress being controlled by Republicans from 1994 to 2006, in one of the most partisan right-wing Houses ever.

Passed an amendment to “require offenders who are convicted of fraud and other white collar crime to give appropriate notice to victims and other persons in cases where there are multiple victims eligible to receive restitution.”

Passed an amendment that improved Postsecondary Education. It administered a competitive grant program to institutions of higher education seeking to reduce costs through the purchase of goods and services. This saved colleges and taxpayers both money.

He amended the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act of 2003, stopping the IRS from being able to use funds that “violate current pension age discrimination laws.”

He expanded free health care and won a $100 million increase in funding by using his amendment powers. This added community health centers that gave out a variety of free health care services.

Prevented child labor by passing an amendment to a general appropriations bill. This stated that the U.S. will not appropriate funds for the importation of goods made by the hands of minors.

Won a $22 million increase for low-income home energy assistance and a related weatherization assistance program. This helped heat homes for the poor.

Passed an amendment that formed a bipartisan coalition effectively prohibiting the Export-Import Bank from handing out loans for nuclear projects in China.

U.S. Senate

Defeated a wealthy businessman, Rich Tarrant, to win his U.S. Senate seat in 2006, in one of the most expensive campaigns in Vermont’s history.

Received the distinction of being named the third-most popular senator in the country, according to Public Policy Polling in August 2011.

Given a score of 100 percent by the NAACP and NHLA (National Hispanic Leadership Agenda) based on his record during his time in the Senate.

Named one of the top 5 American Jews of the Forward 50 in 2015.

Chairman of the United States Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs in 2013-2014.

Became ranking minority member of the Senate Budget Committee in January 2015.

Became ranking minority member of the Subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging.

Passed an amendment making sure that solar water heaters provide at least 30 percent of hot water for new federal buildings. This is forcing us to use green energy.

Made sure to it that bailout funds weren’t used to replace laid-off U.S. workers with exploited and poorly-paid foreign workers.

Helped ensure that child care was being offered to parents in the Armed Forces by requiring the Comptroller General to provide accurate reporting on what was being done.

Required a public database be made available showing the names of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors. This helped crack down on corruption.

Required that the TRICARE program provide treatment to veterans affected by certain types of autism. It wasn’t previously being done.

Won a battle requiring the Government Accountability Office to conduct an audit of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (the part that doesn’t interfere with monetary policy). This revealed the names of the recipients of over 2,000,000,000,000 in taxpayer assistance.

Was praised by John McCain(R-AZ) and Sen. Jack Reed(D-RI) for overhauling the Veterans Administration. Was said to have done such an excellent job of bringing all parties to a deal, that it wouldn’t have gotten done without Sanders’ work.

But, most of all, what Bernie has done is inspire Americans. That’s what he’s doing in this election. His list of accomplishments doesn’t include all the times he’s stood on the Senate floor giving a passionate speech on why the “big banks need to be broken up.” No, you can’t quite quantify things like that.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/02/19/heres-a-long-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments-with-citations/

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
78. No, my question was legislation. Not his whole CV.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:25 AM
Feb 2016

The guy has spent a whole lot of time complaining without much action. Telling me he's been in government since before I was born without providing proof that he can get shit done is a waste of both our times.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
79. So, you admit you still haven't read it. Maybe you were expecting a short list of naming things?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:35 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders' list of accomplishments is long.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
80. Holy shit, why can't you stay on topic or is that the intent?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders didn't get anything passed so let's talk about the clubs he created & when he joined Congress. I am 100% an on the fence voter that could easily vote for either one next week bc I don't particularly care for either one. Yet, when I try & ask legitimate questions I get nothing but blabbering.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
87. Do you have reading comprehension problems or are you just too biased to see through that fog? (nt)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:58 PM
Feb 2016
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
88. We don't need caucuses
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:24 PM
Feb 2016

By their very nature, they are limiting in terms of who can vote. Voting should be as easy as possible. Making people spend 3 hours at the precinct doesn't do that.

brooklynite

(94,729 posts)
3. in 2008, the Caucus was on Saturday as well...I don't remember anyone complaining
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:26 PM
Feb 2016

But to follow your logic, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are out; are you prepared to assert that no other religious groups would be offended by a vote on the remaining days?

still_one

(92,403 posts)
9. Don't forget people who can't physically get to the caucus meeting place, they are
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:29 PM
Feb 2016

discriminated to.

If they are complaining about this now, where were they in the last election


Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
22. Mail in or early ballots should be allowed for all who can't vote on election day
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:08 AM
Feb 2016

No matter the reason - religion, illness, work, school, travel etc. To do otherwise disenfranchises a lot of people.

Though in this case, to accommodate Jewish groups who actually complained, all the DNC had to do was allow voting after sundown, and it's mid-winter so that would still be quite early. Obviously they didn't want Sanders supporters showing up.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
28. It is not a matter of "offense" for observant Jews. it is impossible for them to vote.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:18 AM
Feb 2016

I know of no christian sect that forbids work or voting on Sunday. As for Friday, that only starts in the evening. After dark. When most polls are about to close anyway.

jg10003

(976 posts)
33. Most Christian dominations have no law preventing them from...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:34 AM
Feb 2016

Voting on their sabbath, unlike orthodox jews. I'm not sure about Advantists and Muslims.

still_one

(92,403 posts)
4. and how many people who couldn't physicially get to the caucus have been left out
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:27 PM
Feb 2016

This is the unfairness of the caucus system.

It discriminates.

Same thing applied to Iowa. There is no concept of an absentee ballot with a caucus.

It is an outdated system that should be abandoned.

However, it is what it is, and where was the MSM talking about the unfairness of the caucus system years previously?

crickets

 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
15. I agree with you ? I did not think about ppl. like me! I am not home a lot and can not always vote
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:37 PM
Feb 2016

unless i have an absentee ballet and can mail it in.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
26. Agreed that there should be a caucus absentee process
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:17 AM
Feb 2016

(people could participate by conference call) but that doesn't discredit the OP.

Come to think of it, participation by conference call could have resolved that situation as well. People could have participated without leaving their homes).

dsc

(52,166 posts)
82. Not if they were ultra orthodox
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:04 AM
Feb 2016

no electricity use is permitted either. At best it would be a very big pain as they would have to find a gentile to dial the phone etc.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
14. The writer of this article is ignorant of Jewish life.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:33 PM
Feb 2016

Only Orthodox Jews would have any problem, and only ultra orthadox would feel an outight prohibition.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
23. The article DOES say Orthodox Jews.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:10 AM
Feb 2016

But they should be accommodated. Simple matter, just keep the caucus open until shortly after sundown. It's a Saturday; why couldn't that be done?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
34. Then the caucus would last for how many hours?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:37 AM
Feb 2016

Remember this isn't a primary where you just go in, cast a vote, and leave.

You have to stay for the whole time.

Igel

(35,358 posts)
21. Because its of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:23 PM
Feb 2016

And if the people have some sort of religious prohibition or limitation, then it has to accommodate those it serves.

Which is the same reason that the government, schools, etc., are closed on Xmas and Thanksgiving.

Even if the limitation isn't religious, the government's stuck with the will of the majority. New Years, for example.

Now, in a liberal democracy we tend to worry about minority rights. Whether black or Jewish, 7th Day COG or anything else. The arc of accommodation is slow but sure, so if some rights aren't obsessed about eventually somebody will complain.

And a member of the majority will again insist that minority rights and accommodations for minorities don't matter. Black or Jewish, 7th Day COG or anything else.

That's not a liberal democracy. That's majoritarianism.

yardwork

(61,710 posts)
73. How many are ultra-Orthodox?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:52 AM
Feb 2016

Most Jewish people have no problem working on Saturday, just as most Christians have no problem working on Sunday.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
76. I have no idea. Do you think its ok to disenfranchise anyone?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:24 AM
Feb 2016

We should be working to ensure everyone can vote imo

yardwork

(61,710 posts)
83. Prolonging the caucus would disenfranchise many more.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:16 AM
Feb 2016

Do you understand how caucuses work? You have to stay the whole time. You don't just vote and leave.

Many elderly and disabled people don't want to be out after dark. Is it ok to disenfranchise them?

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
84. My position is eliminate caucuses altogether
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:19 AM
Feb 2016

Primary with mail in ballots for all, preferably with a national voting holiday

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
24. The process could be unfair to a lot of people.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:13 AM
Feb 2016

I don't know what happened in '08; I don't live in Nevada. Here in CA if you can't go to the polls for any reason you can get an absentee ballot ahead of time. So you're okay with disenfranchising people of faith? Seventh Day Adventists also couldn't vote in this caucus; I have no idea how they would have voted.

This process also disenfranchises people who had to work on Saturday, or who were traveling, ill, away at college, etc. Are you okay with taking their votes too? I'll bet more minorities have to work weekends than white folks, too.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
68. A) I believe it was on a Saturday in 08, B) whether or not it was about Sanders this time, can we
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:11 AM
Feb 2016

C) agree that it should be changed before 2020?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
72. Change a caucus, where you have to physically show up and cant vote absentee to a work day?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:40 AM
Feb 2016

Because Sunday is a sabbath day to a lot of folks too.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
25. This is the Democratic Party? But if it was a block of voters that would benefit Clinton and she
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:15 AM
Feb 2016

needed their vote you can damn well bet accommodations would be made.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
31. Uh, a Jewish block of voters favors Hillary
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:29 AM
Feb 2016

as a Jew, I can tell you that there is a perception that Bernie's not a friend to Israel.

Also, Bernie never, ever referring to his potential election as historic as the first Jewish presidency - that has not gone unnoticed.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
91. I am also a reformed Jew
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:08 AM
Feb 2016

But thanks for telling me what all reformed Jews think. I think you would be surprised what many reformed Jews think.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
92. Also, um, thread title. It's about Sabbath.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:10 AM
Feb 2016

Most reformed Jews I know are perfectly comfortable doing things like voting on Shabbas.

I think you got a bit ahead of yourself on this point, no?

Behind the Aegis

(53,987 posts)
36. How is his being "practicing" or not relevant?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:57 AM
Feb 2016

This is about Orthodox Jews and 7th Day Adventists (which are Christians, which Sanders is not) not being able to vote in the caucus, not the status of the Jewishness of Sanders.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
42. It's relevant when people accuse Hillary camp for willfully ...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:13 AM
Feb 2016

not accommodating the Jewish even though this is a Nevada problem not a Hillary problem or a Bernie problem. We don't know if Jewish people would have voted for Bernie. We don't know if he is connected to their community.

Behind the Aegis

(53,987 posts)
47. I was not seeing where either of your claims were made.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:20 AM
Feb 2016

What I am seeing is a concern for disenfranchisement.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
52. I agree with disenfranchisement
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:42 AM
Feb 2016

There are people saying it was Hillary the cheater. This is a Nevada problem not a Hilary problem

JI7

(89,269 posts)
32. most jewish people are supporting Hillary so it wouldn't have really helped sanders
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:31 AM
Feb 2016

a primary system which allows early voting including vote by mail may have helped sanders because of Students.

Behind the Aegis

(53,987 posts)
49. Thanks for the explanation of the "eye test". Never heard that term.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:34 AM
Feb 2016

If that is the case, it certainly isn't true for my "eyes" (eta: I only have two relatives who are New York Jews). Your survey is for New York, not "all" Jews as stated in the post to which I responded. Furthermore, I find it interesting Jews weren't included in the polling questions regarding the Republicans.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
51. Too small a demographic to make out.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:40 AM
Feb 2016
Furthermore, I find it interesting Jews weren't included in the polling questions regarding the Republicans.


Too small a demographic to break out, I suspect.


Behind the Aegis

(53,987 posts)
54. That's a possibility.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:50 AM
Feb 2016

A reminder that Jews are almost always Democrats and vote that way. However, the sample still only addresses the votes of Jews in NY, not all Jews. I can't say I find it all surprising they would favor Clinton, a former NY senator, over someone who wasn't.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
56. I will be surprised if Jews vote much differently than their fellow Democrats in this primary season
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:56 AM
Feb 2016

As to the general election I predict a Republican will get 25 -30% of the vote as he or she always does, except if it's Trump...I suspect Jews will find his nativism evocative of a very unpleasant time.

Behind the Aegis

(53,987 posts)
57. Jews will vote, overwhelmingly, democrat as they have in the past.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:08 AM
Feb 2016

They will be just like African-Americans and the GLBT groups. Ironically, those are the three groups which primarily vote for democrats, yet are the same groups scapegoated for any loss by the democrats.

except if it's Trump...I suspect Jews will find his nativism evocative of a very unpleasant time.


I agree. Which makes the other graph you provided in another post which shows Trump beating Sanders odd. Republican Jews will be more inclined to sit out, and democratic Jews will vote in droves if Trump clenches the republican nomination.
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
89. The most recent polling I could find was from September
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016

ie more or less worthless, but Clinton was about double the support of Sanders among Jewish voters.

Again, given that it was from September, I think it's safe to disregard it at this point and unfortunately Nevada doesn't give us any insight.

http://www.jta.org/2016/01/14/news-opinion/politics/bernie-sanders-surging-in-polls-but-are-jews-feeling-the-bern

Behind the Aegis

(53,987 posts)
90. Better than me, I didn't even find that one!
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:02 AM
Feb 2016

LOL!

I must have searched wrong. Usually, by this time, there are actual polling numbers out within our community, so when the comment was made, I was taken aback and surprised because I hadn't seen bupkus. I almost wonder... ...if this is not a deliberate tactic from within the Jewish community so as not to "complicate" the life of the Jewish candidate.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
43. some polls, this is a more recent one
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:16 AM
Feb 2016

i do question the part where it says Rubio would win among jewish voters in new york against hillary so the poll may be a bit off. but at least among the democrats the numbers are what i have read in other articles.


<According to the Siena Research poll, Clinton leads Sanders 55 to 34 percent in a head-to-head matchup among Democratic voters in New York. The Brooklyn-born Jewish Senator trails Hillary by a 8 point margin among Jewish Democratic voters (41-33). 20 percent had no opinion.>

http://jewishinsider.com/6372/poll-of-jewish-new-yorkers-hillary-leads-rubio-and-sanders-most-favorable/

Behind the Aegis

(53,987 posts)
46. Thanks!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:18 AM
Feb 2016

I just asked the other poster who provided the same statement but nothing in the way of proof. This appears to be among New York Jews. Is there anything similar among all Jews?

JI7

(89,269 posts)
50. i'm not sure if any i read were national
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:39 AM
Feb 2016

most of what i read is reported in jewish media sources so they tend to be smaller organizations so the polling may not be that accurate . maybe once they go into places with larger jewish populations the larger media may start reporting on it.

i can see how the new york poll may not reflect other states just because clinton would have an advantage there.

Behind the Aegis

(53,987 posts)
55. I appreciate the clarification.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:52 AM
Feb 2016

Therein lied my concern was the statement it was "most" Jews, as opposed to NY Jews. Like you, I too can see how the poll could be "misrepresentative" of all Jews, after all, Clinton was a NY senator and won handily among Jewish voters.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
58. i think there will be more reporting on Jewish voters once they start focusing on Florida
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:16 AM
Feb 2016

and the larger organizations will start polling there.

so far in terms of polling based on religion it's mostly focused on christian evangelicals in the republican primary.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
38. That is a lie right there. This Jew is supporting Bernie as is all of the Jewish people I know.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:59 AM
Feb 2016

In fact - I don't know too many people that are supporting Hillary, Jewish or Catholic or Protestant.....

renate

(13,776 posts)
44. what are the arguments AGAINST voting by mail?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:17 AM
Feb 2016

Are any of them valid? I'm honestly curious. (I'm also incredibly fortunate to be living in a vote-by-mail state. It's the only rational way to vote, IMHO.) Our primaries are vote-by-mail too, btw.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
62. Somebody would have to figure out how to run a caucus by mail.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:44 AM
Feb 2016

Video conferencing technology seems more appropriate for folks who can't physically be there, going into the future.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
64. why are you assuming the Jewish vote would go for Sanders?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:17 AM
Feb 2016

Is there a poll?

Is there any proof whatsoever that any significant percentage of Jewish voters in NV failed to vote due to the day of the week?

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
70. Because Sanders is the first Jew to ever win a state primary in a major political party. (nt)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:14 AM
Feb 2016

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
67. It's not like they worship a real god, or anything, when I KNOW
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:07 AM
Feb 2016

IN FACT, that the one true lord is a myopic, left-handed, semi-overweight, sarcastic, grey haired, curmudgeon who often appears to believers as a steaming hot bowl of tomato and meat sauce spaghetti.

If anyone fails to realize that this is snark, I feel for you.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
81. Caucuses are undemocratic and favor extroverts
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:57 AM
Feb 2016

with the time to attend. It doesn't really matter which group is losing because of it,anyone who can't get a babysitter,doesn't have reliable transportation or has to work is screwed,it's elitist as hell.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
86. Orthodox Jews tend to be heavily conservative and Republican
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

Not exactly a likely Sanders demographic and besides, you can't assume that Jews will vote for Sanders just because he's Jewish. Sanders lost and it's time to move on.

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