2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJews left out of voting in Nevada; Dems refuse to accommodate for Sabbath
This makes my blood boil. Republicans have previously accommodated Orthodox Jews in Nevada by allowing voting after sundown, but Dems refused to do so.
Sanders is a Jew - looks like they were trying to disenfranchise a key group of his supporters. I hope someone challenges that in court; it should be unconstitutional. Seventh Day Adventists also cannot vote on Saturdays, if they are true to their faith, so they were disenfranchised too.
How many Orthodox Jews are there in Nevada? If they had voted, could it have made a difference with just 4 or 5 points separating Clinton and Sanders? What happened to the party of inclusiveness -- does that fall off the cliff when the DNC wants the non-Jewish candidate to win?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jewish-and-seventh-day-adventist-voters-left-out-of-nevada-democratic-caucuses/
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)which includes primaries and caucuses at date/time where EVERYONE can attend.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)not!!!!!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)2/17/2005--Introduced.
Count Every Vote Act of 2005 - Amends the Help America Vote Act of 2002 with respect to: (1) requirements for voter verification and manual audit capacity; (2) accessibiliity of the voting system for language minority individuals in a manner that provides the same opportunity for access, participation, inspection, and verification as for other voters; (3) prohibition of the use of undisclosed software and of wireless communication devices in voting systems; (4) certification of software and hardware used in electronic voting systems; (5) security standards for manufacturers of voting systems used in Federal elections; (6) mandatory recounts; (7) study, testing, and development of best practices to enhance accessibility and voter verification mechanisms for disabled voters; (8) voter verification and audit capacity funding; (9) security consultation services; (10) casting and counting of provisional ballots; (11) minimum required voting systems, poll workers, and election resources; (12) remedial plans for States with excessive voter wait times; (13) absentee voting; (14) public reports on Federal elections; (15) training of election officials; (16) impartial administration of elections; (17) standards for purging voters; (18) election day registration and early voting; (19) voter registration and identification; (20) prohibition of certain campaign activities; (21) voting rights of individuals convicted of criminal offenses; (22) election day as a public holiday; and (23) the Election Assistance Commission.
Sid
jillan
(39,451 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)proposed that has gone anywhere?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)U.S. House of Representatives
His 1990 victory was described by The Washington Post as being the First Socialist Elected to the United States House of Representatives in more than 40 years.
Served in the House from 1991 until the time he became a Senator in 2007. Over a span of 16 years, he continuously won re-election by large margins, with the only exception being 1994.
In his very first year in the House, he co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus. He led this group for its first eight years. Its primary devotion is to advance liberal causes and is currently the largest organization within the Democratic congressional caucus.
He sided with the minority in voting against the use of force against Iraq in 1991 and 2002. He also opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Voted against the Patriot Act despite the majority of Congress voting for it (357 to 66). He also sponsored several amendments trying to limit its effects, even getting a proposal passed through the House preventing the government from obtaining a record of the books people buy.
Was an open critic of Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan and took him head on insisting he only represented large and wealthy corporations. Greenspan later admitted to Congress that his economic ideology regarding risky mortgage loans was flawed.
He passed more amendments than any other member during his time in the House. It earned him the nickname The Amendment King. He did this despite being a socialist and Congress being controlled by Republicans from 1994 to 2006, in one of the most partisan right-wing Houses ever.
Passed an amendment to require offenders who are convicted of fraud and other white collar crime to give appropriate notice to victims and other persons in cases where there are multiple victims eligible to receive restitution.
Passed an amendment that improved Postsecondary Education. It administered a competitive grant program to institutions of higher education seeking to reduce costs through the purchase of goods and services. This saved colleges and taxpayers both money.
He amended the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act of 2003, stopping the IRS from being able to use funds that violate current pension age discrimination laws.
He expanded free health care and won a $100 million increase in funding by using his amendment powers. This added community health centers that gave out a variety of free health care services.
Prevented child labor by passing an amendment to a general appropriations bill. This stated that the U.S. will not appropriate funds for the importation of goods made by the hands of minors.
Won a $22 million increase for low-income home energy assistance and a related weatherization assistance program. This helped heat homes for the poor.
Passed an amendment that formed a bipartisan coalition effectively prohibiting the Export-Import Bank from handing out loans for nuclear projects in China.
U.S. Senate
Defeated a wealthy businessman, Rich Tarrant, to win his U.S. Senate seat in 2006, in one of the most expensive campaigns in Vermonts history.
Received the distinction of being named the third-most popular senator in the country, according to Public Policy Polling in August 2011.
Given a score of 100 percent by the NAACP and NHLA (National Hispanic Leadership Agenda) based on his record during his time in the Senate.
Named one of the top 5 American Jews of the Forward 50 in 2015.
Chairman of the United States Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs in 2013-2014.
Became ranking minority member of the Senate Budget Committee in January 2015.
Became ranking minority member of the Subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging.
Passed an amendment making sure that solar water heaters provide at least 30 percent of hot water for new federal buildings. This is forcing us to use green energy.
Made sure to it that bailout funds werent used to replace laid-off U.S. workers with exploited and poorly-paid foreign workers.
Helped ensure that child care was being offered to parents in the Armed Forces by requiring the Comptroller General to provide accurate reporting on what was being done.
Required a public database be made available showing the names of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors. This helped crack down on corruption.
Required that the TRICARE program provide treatment to veterans affected by certain types of autism. It wasnt previously being done.
Won a battle requiring the Government Accountability Office to conduct an audit of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (the part that doesnt interfere with monetary policy). This revealed the names of the recipients of over 2,000,000,000,000 in taxpayer assistance.
Was praised by John McCain(R-AZ) and Sen. Jack Reed(D-RI) for overhauling the Veterans Administration. Was said to have done such an excellent job of bringing all parties to a deal, that it wouldnt have gotten done without Sanders work.
But, most of all, what Bernie has done is inspire Americans. Thats what hes doing in this election. His list of accomplishments doesnt include all the times hes stood on the Senate floor giving a passionate speech on why the big banks need to be broken up. No, you cant quite quantify things like that.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/02/19/heres-a-long-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments-with-citations/
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Maybe quality or quantity next time?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)The guy has spent a whole lot of time complaining without much action. Telling me he's been in government since before I was born without providing proof that he can get shit done is a waste of both our times.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Sanders' list of accomplishments is long.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Sanders didn't get anything passed so let's talk about the clubs he created & when he joined Congress. I am 100% an on the fence voter that could easily vote for either one next week bc I don't particularly care for either one. Yet, when I try & ask legitimate questions I get nothing but blabbering.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Washington still has a caucus the last I knew.
mythology
(9,527 posts)By their very nature, they are limiting in terms of who can vote. Voting should be as easy as possible. Making people spend 3 hours at the precinct doesn't do that.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Cheating is their ONLY hope.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)brooklynite
(94,729 posts)But to follow your logic, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are out; are you prepared to assert that no other religious groups would be offended by a vote on the remaining days?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)still_one
(92,403 posts)discriminated to.
If they are complaining about this now, where were they in the last election
brooklynite
(94,729 posts)still_one
(92,403 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Next
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)No matter the reason - religion, illness, work, school, travel etc. To do otherwise disenfranchises a lot of people.
Though in this case, to accommodate Jewish groups who actually complained, all the DNC had to do was allow voting after sundown, and it's mid-winter so that would still be quite early. Obviously they didn't want Sanders supporters showing up.
stone space
(6,498 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)I know of no christian sect that forbids work or voting on Sunday. As for Friday, that only starts in the evening. After dark. When most polls are about to close anyway.
jg10003
(976 posts)Voting on their sabbath, unlike orthodox jews. I'm not sure about Advantists and Muslims.
still_one
(92,403 posts)This is the unfairness of the caucus system.
It discriminates.
Same thing applied to Iowa. There is no concept of an absentee ballot with a caucus.
It is an outdated system that should be abandoned.
However, it is what it is, and where was the MSM talking about the unfairness of the caucus system years previously?
crickets
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)unless i have an absentee ballet and can mail it in.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)(people could participate by conference call) but that doesn't discredit the OP.
Come to think of it, participation by conference call could have resolved that situation as well. People could have participated without leaving their homes).
dsc
(52,166 posts)no electricity use is permitted either. At best it would be a very big pain as they would have to find a gentile to dial the phone etc.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)That's quite a reach.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Only Orthodox Jews would have any problem, and only ultra orthadox would feel an outight prohibition.
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)But they should be accommodated. Simple matter, just keep the caucus open until shortly after sundown. It's a Saturday; why couldn't that be done?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Remember this isn't a primary where you just go in, cast a vote, and leave.
You have to stay for the whole time.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Igel
(35,358 posts)And if the people have some sort of religious prohibition or limitation, then it has to accommodate those it serves.
Which is the same reason that the government, schools, etc., are closed on Xmas and Thanksgiving.
Even if the limitation isn't religious, the government's stuck with the will of the majority. New Years, for example.
Now, in a liberal democracy we tend to worry about minority rights. Whether black or Jewish, 7th Day COG or anything else. The arc of accommodation is slow but sure, so if some rights aren't obsessed about eventually somebody will complain.
And a member of the majority will again insist that minority rights and accommodations for minorities don't matter. Black or Jewish, 7th Day COG or anything else.
That's not a liberal democracy. That's majoritarianism.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)how is life?
It couldn't. Every day of the year is likely to be meaningful to some religion.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)yardwork
(61,710 posts)Most Jewish people have no problem working on Saturday, just as most Christians have no problem working on Sunday.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)We should be working to ensure everyone can vote imo
yardwork
(61,710 posts)Do you understand how caucuses work? You have to stay the whole time. You don't just vote and leave.
Many elderly and disabled people don't want to be out after dark. Is it ok to disenfranchise them?
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Primary with mail in ballots for all, preferably with a national voting holiday
book_worm
(15,951 posts)helped Bernie?
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)I don't know what happened in '08; I don't live in Nevada. Here in CA if you can't go to the polls for any reason you can get an absentee ballot ahead of time. So you're okay with disenfranchising people of faith? Seventh Day Adventists also couldn't vote in this caucus; I have no idea how they would have voted.
This process also disenfranchises people who had to work on Saturday, or who were traveling, ill, away at college, etc. Are you okay with taking their votes too? I'll bet more minorities have to work weekends than white folks, too.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)C) agree that it should be changed before 2020?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Because Sunday is a sabbath day to a lot of folks too.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)needed their vote you can damn well bet accommodations would be made.
840high
(17,196 posts)jsmirman
(4,507 posts)as a Jew, I can tell you that there is a perception that Bernie's not a friend to Israel.
Also, Bernie never, ever referring to his potential election as historic as the first Jewish presidency - that has not gone unnoticed.
jillan
(39,451 posts)jsmirman
(4,507 posts)But thanks for telling me what all reformed Jews think. I think you would be surprised what many reformed Jews think.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)Most reformed Jews I know are perfectly comfortable doing things like voting on Shabbas.
I think you got a bit ahead of yourself on this point, no?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I thought he said " only in culture?"
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)This is about Orthodox Jews and 7th Day Adventists (which are Christians, which Sanders is not) not being able to vote in the caucus, not the status of the Jewishness of Sanders.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)not accommodating the Jewish even though this is a Nevada problem not a Hillary problem or a Bernie problem. We don't know if Jewish people would have voted for Bernie. We don't know if he is connected to their community.
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)What I am seeing is a concern for disenfranchisement.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)There are people saying it was Hillary the cheater. This is a Nevada problem not a Hilary problem
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)It is a disenfranchisement issue and a Nevada issue.
JI7
(89,269 posts)a primary system which allows early voting including vote by mail may have helped sanders because of Students.
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)It also confirms the eye test.
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)What is the "eye test"?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Hard data:
https://www.siena.edu/assets/files/news/SNY0215_Crosstabs.pdf
PG 3
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)If that is the case, it certainly isn't true for my "eyes" (eta: I only have two relatives who are New York Jews). Your survey is for New York, not "all" Jews as stated in the post to which I responded. Furthermore, I find it interesting Jews weren't included in the polling questions regarding the Republicans.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Too small a demographic to break out, I suspect.
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)A reminder that Jews are almost always Democrats and vote that way. However, the sample still only addresses the votes of Jews in NY, not all Jews. I can't say I find it all surprising they would favor Clinton, a former NY senator, over someone who wasn't.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)As to the general election I predict a Republican will get 25 -30% of the vote as he or she always does, except if it's Trump...I suspect Jews will find his nativism evocative of a very unpleasant time.
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)They will be just like African-Americans and the GLBT groups. Ironically, those are the three groups which primarily vote for democrats, yet are the same groups scapegoated for any loss by the democrats.
except if it's Trump...I suspect Jews will find his nativism evocative of a very unpleasant time.
I agree. Which makes the other graph you provided in another post which shows Trump beating Sanders odd. Republican Jews will be more inclined to sit out, and democratic Jews will vote in droves if Trump clenches the republican nomination.
mythology
(9,527 posts)ie more or less worthless, but Clinton was about double the support of Sanders among Jewish voters.
Again, given that it was from September, I think it's safe to disregard it at this point and unfortunately Nevada doesn't give us any insight.
http://www.jta.org/2016/01/14/news-opinion/politics/bernie-sanders-surging-in-polls-but-are-jews-feeling-the-bern
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)LOL!
I must have searched wrong. Usually, by this time, there are actual polling numbers out within our community, so when the comment was made, I was taken aback and surprised because I hadn't seen bupkus. I almost wonder... ...if this is not a deliberate tactic from within the Jewish community so as not to "complicate" the life of the Jewish candidate.
JI7
(89,269 posts)i do question the part where it says Rubio would win among jewish voters in new york against hillary so the poll may be a bit off. but at least among the democrats the numbers are what i have read in other articles.
<According to the Siena Research poll, Clinton leads Sanders 55 to 34 percent in a head-to-head matchup among Democratic voters in New York. The Brooklyn-born Jewish Senator trails Hillary by a 8 point margin among Jewish Democratic voters (41-33). 20 percent had no opinion.>
http://jewishinsider.com/6372/poll-of-jewish-new-yorkers-hillary-leads-rubio-and-sanders-most-favorable/
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)I just asked the other poster who provided the same statement but nothing in the way of proof. This appears to be among New York Jews. Is there anything similar among all Jews?
JI7
(89,269 posts)most of what i read is reported in jewish media sources so they tend to be smaller organizations so the polling may not be that accurate . maybe once they go into places with larger jewish populations the larger media may start reporting on it.
i can see how the new york poll may not reflect other states just because clinton would have an advantage there.
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)Therein lied my concern was the statement it was "most" Jews, as opposed to NY Jews. Like you, I too can see how the poll could be "misrepresentative" of all Jews, after all, Clinton was a NY senator and won handily among Jewish voters.
JI7
(89,269 posts)and the larger organizations will start polling there.
so far in terms of polling based on religion it's mostly focused on christian evangelicals in the republican primary.
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)I think we will have a better picture then.
jillan
(39,451 posts)In fact - I don't know too many people that are supporting Hillary, Jewish or Catholic or Protestant.....
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)Are any of them valid? I'm honestly curious. (I'm also incredibly fortunate to be living in a vote-by-mail state. It's the only rational way to vote, IMHO.) Our primaries are vote-by-mail too, btw.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Video conferencing technology seems more appropriate for folks who can't physically be there, going into the future.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Is there a poll?
Is there any proof whatsoever that any significant percentage of Jewish voters in NV failed to vote due to the day of the week?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)IN FACT, that the one true lord is a myopic, left-handed, semi-overweight, sarcastic, grey haired, curmudgeon who often appears to believers as a steaming hot bowl of tomato and meat sauce spaghetti.
If anyone fails to realize that this is snark, I feel for you.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)with the time to attend. It doesn't really matter which group is losing because of it,anyone who can't get a babysitter,doesn't have reliable transportation or has to work is screwed,it's elitist as hell.
valerief
(53,235 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Not exactly a likely Sanders demographic and besides, you can't assume that Jews will vote for Sanders just because he's Jewish. Sanders lost and it's time to move on.